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Mosques, churches, synagogues and other temples. And when your religion is one of these faiths, then you will go to one. And you may not see the other. Yes, you will read about the other faiths, but most of the time you will concentrate on the differences rather than the similarities. And yes, there are differences. But, I have seen very important things in common. And it is the encouragement of all faiths to respect the human soul. And in all religions, killing of innocent human being is at the top of sins. And all faiths encourage kindness to each other. The funny thing is that most followers of different faiths talk to each other with love and trust. But, the very small number of radicals makes all the noise and mistrust. Why does the press write about the clash of civilizations rather than what these civilizations had accomplished? -- ABDULATEEF AL-MULHIM 

"In the Middle Ages, European leaders commissioned a hostile Quran translation to foster warfare against Muslim invaders. Later, Muslim leaders produced another translation to inflame Muslims against Christians and Jews." One such difficult passage is "Kill the infidels wherever you find them." Ten such propaganda verses were read to separate the myths from reality. They were not read by Muslim clergy, but by Baptist, Mormon, Protestant, Catholic, Unitarian, Methodist, New Age, Unificationists, Sikhs, Hindu and others at the Quran Conference. Shamelessly, anti-Semitism continues to operate under the radar. The anti-circumcision bills in San Francisco and Santa Monica were irksome to some, but frightening to others. Indeed, there are still a few Christians out there who cannot shake off what Fred Phelps was demonstrating with reckless posters such as "Christ Killers." The Judeo-Christian phrase was thrown around in the 40's to build relationships between Jews and Christians. A whole industry of opportunists was born from it. The support for Jews by Billy Graham, Richard Nixon, Pat Robertson, John Hagee, Glenn Beck and other chest thumpers have ulterior motives. They want to cash in on the name of Israel and perhaps convert them. Jews need sincerity and not duplicity to feel genuinely secure. -- MIKE GHOUSE

The talk was about the row at Playland, where Muslims celebrated Ramadan festival and it ended up being a sour event. David Horowitz needs to stop making things up and the police needs sensitivity training. Minorities are sensitive to being singled out - Jews are ready to invoke Anti-Semitism, African Americans are eager to call it Racism and Muslims have a stock answer because we are Muslims. No one needs to be singled out.  -- Mike Ghouse

As India and Pakistan celebrate their independence day their  trajectories since 1947 could hardly have been more different. As India and Pakistan celebrate their independence days their trajectories since 1947 could hardly have been more different. As India celebrates her birthday the world is beating a path to her door. In the case of Pakistan, her existence has never been more in question as the war against al-Qaeda in her northern territories is pursued aggressively by the United States with drone attacks and Islamabad struggles with internal radicalism. India has come off the international economic and ideological fence and, for better or worse, plunged headlong into a Westernizing phase, not only in the cultural sense but also in the geopolitical sense. For the Pakistanis, they must hope that their security forces can make the right choices in taking on the jihadists and that they can be successful before more damage is done to their country. -- David Watts

 

Sixty four years ago, we dreamed of a modern nation- state in which citizens would enjoy the fruits of security, justice and prosperity, one without religious persecution, at peace with itself, its neighbours and the rest of the world. But a litany of false starts, corrupt practices and misplaced concreteness has transformed our progressive reality into a living nightmare. Shortly after independence our leaders determined to woo the United States and become a client state. Across the border in India, its leaders did the opposite, fashioning a doctrine of respectable non- alignment that compelled them to stand on their own feet, develop an autonomous economy and put their stakes in democracy. Today, India has a vibrant strategic relationship with America that benefits it enormously while we have a transactional one with it that hurts us badly. -- Najam Sethi

Accounting for just fewer than 2 per cent of Pakistan’s population, Hindus are Pakistan’s largest religious minority. More than nine-tenths of Pakistan’s Hindus, the report relates, live in the Sindh province, and most of them belong to various Dalit castes. According to the report, some 80 per cent of Sindhi Hindus are poverty-stricken agricultural labourers, and suffer heinous forms of both caste- and religious-discrimination. Christians, Pakistan’s second largest minority, face similar forms of oppression. Many Christians, the report reveals, ‘feel that they are treated as second class citizens and discriminated against in all aspects of life….Christians across Pakistan live in a state of constant fear and insecurity.’ Christians who can migrate out of the country do so, the report adds. The report cites cases of Christians being attacked by Muslim mobs, often instigated by mullahs, their churches being destroyed and being forced out of their lands, which are then occupied by their attackers.-- Yoginder Sikand, NewAgeIslam.com

Like other religious minorities in the Islamic Republic, Pakistan’s Dalits, who are additionally discriminated against on account of their extreme poverty and ‘low’ caste status, suffer the pangs of being non-Muslim. The country’s Constitution itself discriminates against all non-Muslims, as it does against women, the report stresses. The Constitution, the report contends, provides no protection to minorities in general, and to Dalits in particular. Basic rights, including protection of minorities and the promotion of social and economic well-being of citizens, are included in the non-binding ‘principles of policy’, rather than the legally enforceable section on fundamental rights, and, moreover, are overshadowed by religious provisions that call for all laws to be in conformity with Islam. The Federal Shariat or Islamic Law Court has the right to turn down any law it considers repugnant to Islam. This, the report says, ‘has further weakened chances of seeking justice against any discrimination’, particularly if the victims are non-Muslims. All these discriminatory provisions, the report insists, are a complete violation of various international human rights agreements to which Pakistan is a signatory. -- Yoginder Sikand, NewAgeIslam.com

Few, if any, Dalit localities have schools. Since they are pathetically poor, expensive private schools are well beyond their reach, and so they have to send their children, if they can afford to do without their labour, to low-grade government schools instead. The curriculum of such schools is vociferously anti-Hindu. Hindus are described in government-prescribed texts as ‘enemies’ of Islam, Muslims and Pakistan. Such hatred in the name of religion plays havoc with the self-esteem of non-Muslim students, including Dalits, says the report. The school texts are based heavily on Islamic teachings, and studying the Quran and other Islamic books is compulsory for all students, including non-Muslims. This, the report says, is ‘the most disturbing aspect of the curriculum’, being in complete violation of international norms and even of Pakistani Constitutional provisions, which, in theory, provide for religious freedom for all communities. The intention in forcing non-Muslim students to study Islam in school might be to goad them to convert to Islam, but, the report stresses, it has only succeeded in alienating non-Muslims even further and ‘at a grave cost’ to national integration. -- Yoginder Sikand, NewAgeIslam.com

“These people honour me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me” (Mark 7:6) said Jesus of the Pharisees, known for their loveless legalism and rigid ritualism. Likewise, of those who reject Truth, the Holy Quran says: “Their hearts are sealed so that they apprehend not” (9:87). More than merely viewing the heart as an organ that pumps blood, religions see the human heart as a symbol with myriad meanings. There are believers whose “heart is not proud” (Psalm 131:1) or whose “heart is evil” (1 Samuel 17:28) or “devious” (Jeremiah 17:9). Thus, the prophets speak of “a new heart” (Ezekiel 18:31; 36:26) referring to repentance. The holy Quran likewise refers to the heart: “As for those who believe not in the Hereafter, their hearts refuse to know, for they are proud” (16:22) and “Obey not him whose heart we have made heedless of Our remembrance, who follows his own lust” (18:29). Positively, it asserts: “Verily, in the remembrance of Allah do hearts find rest” (13:28) and “whosoever believes in Allah, He guides his heart” (64:11). Quoting the Holy Prophet, Imam al-Sadiq wrote: “The darkness of the heart is the worst kind of darkness.” -- Francis Gonsalves

 

Following the Prophet’s example, in the last century, the great leader of the then united India’s northwest frontier province, which is now known as Pakistan’s province of Khyber-Pakhtunkwa, Badshah Khan devised a strategy that harmonised the demands of a quest for Justice with the interests of peace. He was inspired by the Mahatma and was his greatest, most unflinching ally. But he had worked out his strategy of non-violent struggle and started his unique movement before meeting him. He said he had learnt this from his study of Quran and Hadith. He found his nonviolent strategy in Islam’s call for an unrelenting struggle against injustice and the Prophet’s constant exhortation for patience and perseverance. He brought the two virtues together and thus was born his unique movement of non-violent resistance against British colonial rule. He told his 100,000 strong non-violent army of khudai khidmatgars (Servants of God):

“I am going to give you such a weapon that police and the army will not be able to stand against it. It is the weapon of the Prophet, but you are not aware of it. That weapon is patience and righteousness. No power on earth can stand against it. …tell your brethren that there is an army of God and its weapon is patience….”[xxv]

Many scholars and peace activists who have studied the Khudai Khidmatgar movement in detail consider this as an Islamic model for non-violent struggle against injustice. Let us hope that Muslims all over the world take this as a model that is as relevant today as it was a century ago.  -- Sultan Shahin, Editor, New Age Islam speaking at a parallel seminar organised by Al-Hakim Foundation and Himalayan Research in the UN Human Rights Council’s September 2010 session at Geneva  on the International Day of non-violence:28 September 2010

Fatah argues that though the Holy Qur’an chastises Jews (as it does Muslims and others), its criticism is directed at the wrong-doers and not against all Jews, most of whom were not even born when those transgressions took place. To condemn them simply because they were born Jewish is to challenge God who created them in the first place. This interpretation blends with the Islamic belief that God is just, that He judges people on their conduct and that He does not punish the innocent. Fatah quotes the Qur’an where it compliments Jews, Christians and others who do good deeds. Fatah blames the West’s anti-Semitism, the teachings of Madrassas, the rhetoric of the Iranians after their revolution, fanatical Muslim preachers and Israel’s long occupation of Palestinian lands for fueling anti-Semitism among Muslims. This is true, but legitimate criticism of Israel is not anti-Semitism just as the vices of Muslim dictators should not be used to distort Islam or defame all Muslims. -- Mohammed Azhar Ali Khan

..those speaking out against atheist involvement in the interfaith movement are, at the moment, a bit more numerous (just a couple of examples, with several others to follow). As far as I can tell based on what many atheists opposed to interfaith involvement state in their writing, a large percentage of them seem to have kept their distance from interfaith work. I understand their hesitation given the criticisms they offer, but I can’t help but wonder if there is some disconnect when those who criticize the interfaith movement the most also seem to have had little to no actual experience with it. I could be wrong, but I’d be surprised if someone who had been involved in interfaith work would suggest, as prominent atheist blogger P.Z. Myers did, that it “cheerfully and indiscriminately embrace[s] every faith without regard for content.”-- Christopher Stedman

…the Islamic expansion in the Middle Ages did not have the goal of converting all the subject peoples. Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians were incorporated into the community as wards of the state (dhimmis), obliged only to paying a poll tax. Islamic da'wa activities did not arise until the 19th century, as reaction to similar Christian missionary efforts. In Indonesia, for example, the Muhammadiyya movement, preaching an orthodox Sunni Islam, came together in deliberate resistance to Christian influences, while at the same time imitating methods of social relief initiated by the missionary societies. Theologically speaking, da'wa in Islam carries nowhere near the same weight as the mission in Christianity, where it is among the religion's fundamental theological principles. -- Susanne Kappe

From: FirstCommunityCh  | Sep 3, 2010 | 208,597 views

Excerpt from sermon video from Sunday, August 29, worship service, First Community Church, Columbus, OH, with Rev. Deborah C. Lindsay preaching. The entire message may be viewed on FirstCommunityChurch website at this link:

http://www.fcchurch.com/worship/broadcast/502-pecking-ord...

 

 

It has been surprising for all of us to see how large of a role culture actors and artists have played in the revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia. You see street theater, singers, painters and dancers on Tahrir Square, which is about 50 meters from the Goethe Institute. Many of these people have come to see us in the Goethe Institute because we have set up a "Tahrir Lounge". All we really did was set up a room, but a lot of artists quickly found out about it because they had known the Goethe Institute because they were visitors or learned languages there. The space is used to discuss the new era's culture – it's an open space and a place for debate. We have brought employees from the Federal Commissioner for the Stasi Archives to Cairo because they have experience dealing with state secret services. That's when people can talk about how to deal with secret files and hear about how Germany dealt with the issue. Our work encompasses everything from cultural to sociopolitical issues.-- Klaus-Dieter Lehmann in an interview with Aya Bach

 

Your revolution also gave the lie to the idea that Arabs are not interested in democracy, that they willingly tolerate despotism. Such opinions after all have been much too prevalent in the media; even from people one would have believed were more intelligent: professors, historians, respected journalists. You have really shown them! Well done! And it is my belief that if the so-called "western values" are being defended by anyone nowadays then it is by the Arab peoples, who are now freeing themselves from the yoke of despots to whom the West, where it has not openly supported them, has too often and for too long turned a blind eye. I would, therefore, be very interested to know what sort of attitude, what sort of commitment it is that Arab intellectuals, and indeed the ordinary people too, would like to see from us in the West.-- Stefan Weidner

 

Christianity in Europe is facing an existential problem – but not the increasing secularisation of society or its alleged Islamification. The threat to Christianity's existence lies instead in the fact that people do not really believe in Christ, his message or his works. Unlike Doubting Thomas, however, people are unwilling to touch Jesus' wounds and find faith in the crucified and resurrected Christ. The provocation of the Christian faith lies in Jesus' last word on the cross: "Tetelestai!" – it is finished. There is nothing we mortals can add to Christ's surrender of his life for our sake. All Christians have to do is celebrate Jesus' miracle in church services, to testify to the name of God as a form of mission, and to serve our fellow men and women.-- Jochen Teuffel

 The presentation of the Qur’an by the local Jewish community was a way to show goodwill and remove any misunderstanding and hurt that Muslims may have experienced in today’s unfortunate atmosphere of Islamophobia – something Jews can relate to given their long years of dealing with anti-Semitism. -- Habeeb Alli

 

For socially conservative Christians, the result may be short-term alliances with critics of Islam who are distanced from the Church or even with atheist Islam critics. In the long term, however, propagating a community of heirs to a Western, Christian culture can be understood as nothing but a "post-secular" attempt to re-establish a partial bond to church traditions by means of social policy. When a claim to inclusion in society as a whole is newly made in the name of Christian values, it inevitably awakens the collective memory of the pre-Enlightenment corpus Christianum. -- Jochen Teuffel

 

In the beginning of the 20th century, Lord Cromer once said that he could not tell Copts from Muslims until he sees them pray. He wasn't just speaking for the record, or out of admiration. He was describing a reality that he found a bit exasperating. But for the past three or four decades, especially since the 1971 events in Al-Khankah, the ground has been shifting. We can still speak about the amity between the "two elements of the nation" but we all know of the horrors that lie not too far underneath the surface. The Quran was carried aloft with a cross and Christians held a mass once Muslims were done with their prayers. Then the dream turned to a nightmare. -- Abdel-Moneim

So my final advocation will be the following:" just respect native / local customs", and add tolerance. In France remember that showing your face and your eyes is polite and customary. Remember too that women religious of numerous religions other than Islam are also wearing a veil, not just a full face one, so covering your hair if you want to is perfectly understandable.

And there is a reason why one moves to another country than his birth country. It is usually because things are better there. Not all things as I learned from my travels, but enough for you to want to stay. So go with local customs as they are part of your new country. --  Sylvain Muckenhirn, A New Age Islam Reader

One of the metaphors that we found most helpful was to think of our religions as growing from the same root and diverging into branches. It is when we get out to the outer edges of branches where our differences stir up trouble. It is out at the edges that we get people like Pastor Terry Jones, who caused a firestorm of media attention when he threatened to burn the Qur’an at his 30-member Florida church on the 9th anniversary of 9/11.-- Ann Gillespie

The intensity of communal supremacism in religious discourse differs in the case of different religious traditions and within each as well, depending on how they are interpreted. Some strands of Brahminical Hinduism, for instance, are premised on the notion that the Brahmins are not just God’s chosen people but, more than that, are virtual ‘gods on earth’ (bhu devatas). On the other hand, non-Brahmin ‘Hindus’ are regarded, simply on account of their birth, as inferior in varying degrees, with the so-called Untouchables being considered not just non-human but as the very epitome of every conceivable devilish quality. Non-Hindus are treated as virtually outside the pale of humanity, as polluting cow-slaying mlecchas and so on. Christian evangelists, for their part, fervently believe that non-Christians as well as Christians who understand Christianity differently from them will be thrown into Hell simply because they do not accept their particular and peculiar understanding of the status of Jesus. Orthodox Jews are convinced that they are God’s chosen people, and, hence, must dominate over the rest of humanity. For their part, most 'Muslims' imagine that all non-Muslims are ‘disbelieving infidels’, who will be dumped into eternal Hell by a vengeful God simply because they do not believe in the prophethood of Muhammad, pray in Arabic or venerate the Kaaba in Mecca. In short, the religionists are firmly convinced that they know the mind of God, for it is on that basis that they claim that members of their fold are God’s elect and that all others are definitely out of God’s favour. -- K. Itarwala, NewAgeIslam.com

A petition for Asia Bibi is online, and shame on Muslims for the poor response on it, a few had the audacity to tell me that they object to the apology to Christians in it, what arrogance! How unjust! It has to change. What is happening in Bahrain, Syria and Libya is outrageous; the gutless and useless Islamic organizations around the world have an opportunity to speak up for Justice.   No Dictator has died in peace and these monarchs can choose to live a respectable life by letting the governance rest in the hands of the people, or start counting their days and line up behind Shah, Saddam, Mubarak, Gaddaffi and their ilk.  Muslims around the world need to speak up if not we will watch a total destruction and subjugation of the people of Middle East.  If Muslims fail, America must lead in bringing justice to the minorities around the world. – World Muslim Congress

Today, a lot more people realise that increasing religious expression is not the problem. The problem lies with the kind of orientation within that expression. For example, if a person consumes halal food and refuses to eat beside someone who takes non-halal food, the problem lies with the act of self-exclusion - not the consumption of halal food. If the orientation behind a religious expression is of the exclusivist, supremacist and intolerant type, then we ought to be wary. Measures need to be taken to ensure it does not become dominant in our society. But if the orientation is of the inclusive, egalitarian and progressive sort, then we ought to celebrate these expressions as part of our diverse religious landscape. The latter may even help strengthen our identity as a cosmopolitan society where diversity is celebrated and cultural exchanges lead to the greater common good. The challenge before us, therefore, is to ensure that social policies are able to distinguish the diversity within each religious tradition. Interfaith awareness must go hand-in-hand with intrafaith. -- Mohamed Imran Mohamed Taib

 
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