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Debating Islam (25 Feb 2015 NewAgeIslam.Com)




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  • "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible."
    it means God evolves from offense to defense.
    both books are bloody with a difference of degree.
    Is some Christan believer in bloodier Bible demanding the head of
    Philip Jenkins for his calling the Bible bloodier than the Quran?
    It gives much relief to Muslims like Mr Lodhia that somebody is calling the Bible bloodier than the Quran.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/26/2015 10:42:15 PM



  • HOLY AMNESIA

     

    "Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible," Jenkins says.

     

    Jenkins is a professor at Penn State University and author of two books dealing with the issue: the recently published Jesus Wars, and Dark Passages , which has not been published but is already drawing controversy.

     

    Much to my surprise, the Islamic scriptures in the Quran were actually far less bloody and less violent than those in the Bible.

     

    - Philip Jenkins, author of 'Jesus Wars'

     

    Violence in the Quran, he and others say, is largely a defense against attack.

     

    "By the standards of the time, which is the 7th century A.D., the laws of war that are laid down by the Quran are actually reasonably humane," he says. "Then we turn to the Bible, and we actually find something that is for many people a real surprise. There is a specific kind of warfare laid down in the Bible which we can only call genocide."

     

    It is called herem, and it means total annihilation. Consider the Book of 1 Samuel, when God instructs King Saul to attack the Amalekites: "And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."

     

    When Saul failed to do that, God took away his kingdom.

     

    "In other words," Jenkins says, "Saul has committed a dreadful sin by failing to complete genocide. And that passage echoes through Christian history. It is often used, for example, in American stories of the confrontation with Indians — not just is it legitimate to kill Indians, but you are violating God's law if you do not."

     

    Jenkins notes that the history of Christianity is strewn with herem. During the Crusades in the Middle Ages, the Catholic popes declared the Muslims Amalekites. In the great religious wars in the 16th, 17th and 19th centuries, Protestants and Catholics each believed the other side were the Amalekites and should be utterly destroyed.

     

    Barbara Bradley Hagerty

    Is The Bible More Violent Than The Quran? Link to the Article

     

    NPR – National Public Radio

    March 18, 2010

     

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    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/26/2015 1:03:58 PM



  • THE THREAD OF SUPREMACY OF AUTHORITY

     

    The pundits of all hues, leanings, and national origin are busy explaining the genesis of terrorism. The Muslim baiting cadre attributes it to their different values, hatred of Judeo-Christian ethos, lure of paradise with nubile and willing virgins, and all kinds of thinly disguised racist attitudes. Others dwell on desperation, reaction to historic injustices, after effects of colonialism, legacy of the Soviet Union, poverty, lack of education, indoctrination, reaction to Iraq and Afghanistan.

     

    Relative success in achieving objectives against an otherwise invincible foe has been blamed for enhancing the fanatical fervor. But only countries of little consequence withdrew from Iraq after their soldiers came under attack, till Spain gave in the aftermath of train bombings, and Italy was shaken in its resolve.

     

    There is an element of truth in all the proffered reasons. Not all suicide bombers are illiterate. Many come from affluent households. The TV pictures of Madrassahs (seminaries) with children reciting the Quran, which they obviously do not understand, would not appeal to an educated person. The London subway suicide bombers were born and brought up in Britain. That country offers free health service, nearly free college education (completely free in Scotland), and a decent welfare system. One of the bombers was teacher of children with learning difficulties. He was well respected and had to be a sensitive and considerate person to be able to cope with his job. It is argued that but for religious indoctrination, they would not have suicide bombed London tubes and bus system. All 9/11 highjackers were well educated and lived a fairly affluent life. But they conveniently forget that George Washington and his fellow leaders of the

    American war of independence were wealthy landowners.

     

    Apologists lament that Islam does not sanction mindless killing, that suicide is a sin in Islam etc. But the promoters of the acts of terror appear to have equally valid authority to back up their claim that suicide bombers are fighting injustice and killing for a good cause.

     

    Dr. S. Akhtar Ehtisham

    Role of Religion in Violence: A Historic Review Of Its Genesis

     

    www.viewpointonline.net

    March 27, 2014

     

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    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/26/2015 12:01:22 PM



  • Dear Asra,
    You are a courageous young lady, but still an apologist of Islam.
    Whether tou like it or not, ISIS practice true Islam.

    By Akhtar Ehtisham - 2/26/2015 11:13:49 AM



  • Muslims don't like a meek prophet.
    the prophet is maashhoq of Allah. He was created before anything was created. the prophet is a cause of creation of this universes. the prophet is imam ul ambia. the prophet will intercede for believer when every other prophet will tremble with fear. the prophet will take pride in numbers of his followers.
    Muslims' beliefs are just open violations of the Quranic verse " laa nufarriqoo baina ahdi ....".

    If the God has 99 names the prophet has too. one has to love the prophet more than anything in the world.
    the prophet was not only man but spirit also. Muslims swear ha had no shadow. Muslims swear the prophet knew the past and future.
    it all makes the prophet a cult leader not a "bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith".

    Alas! the prophet could not save his life by his knowledge of unseen  if he died by eating poisonous meat. neither he could save his companions when he sent them to teach some people.
    Sufis/Brailvis are far ahead of all people on the earth to make the prophet God.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/26/2015 2:01:42 AM



  • I am not sure whether the Prophet claimed the power to predict the future. I do not know whether we should believe the Hadiths which attributed such powers to the Prophet.  In the Quran, God says to the Prophet (7:188):: “Say: ‘I have no power over any good or harm to myself except as Allah willeth. If I had knowledge of the unseen, I should have multiplied all good, and no evil should have touched me: I am but a warner, and a bringer of glad tidings to those who have faith." 
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/26/2015 1:35:52 AM



  • The Quran provide skeleton and Ahadith supply rest building material, that is why Hadith is important as Quran for Muslims.
    For example the Quran mentions sounding of horn near Qayamat. the entire scene of Qayamt is painted by Hadith.
    horrors of graves, horrors of resurrections,  judgment day, crossing pul sirat, falling of some into hell from pul sirat, horrors of hell and enjoyment of paradise supplied by Hadith makes a perfect scene Muslims believe in.
    Books are available on Adhab e Qabr supplemented by some stories from real life are available in the market. Masih mau-ood is unquestionable belief of Muslims.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 10:03:38 PM



  • "A nonbeliever in prophecies of the prophet is a kafir"
    where are the prophecies of prophet mentioned? Are not they in Sahih Hadith books.

    Mr GG must speak on these authentic ahadith which contain prophecies of the prophet.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 9:40:21 PM



  • It is true that possible events near qyamat come from Ahadith but it is also equally true that majority of Moderates believe in all these ahadith.
    Maulana like Maudoodi and Wahiduddin khan saheb all believe in signs of Qayama and associated events near the Qayamat.
    Ahadith is filling material to some signs of Qayamat mentioned in the Quran.
    whether ultra moderates like or not but Ahadith are holy for majority of Muslims.
    Some modern maulanas believe that stage of Qamat is prepared and Mahndi can descend any time. The time to become world Muslim has come.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 9:36:02 PM



  • OUT OF APOCALYPTIC FERVOR 

     

    Demonstrators and newspaper editors called on the government to execute all ISIS sympathizers in detention, with the government acquiescing by immediately executing two condemned Iraqi terrorists in Jordanian custody, Sajida al-Rishawi and Ziad al-Karbouli. King Abdullah, vowing a “relentless war” against the group, was greeted by cheering crowds of thousands.

     

    Even radical voices critical of the coalition have been forced to moderate their tone, likely fearful of public wrath or a spell in Jordanian prisons. Former al-Qaeda ideologue Abu Muhammad al-Maqdisi was released from prison to condemn Kasasbeh’s burning as un-Islamic, while prominent jihadi Salafi leader Abu Sayyaf said that the execution “had no connection to Islam,” blaming the burning on ex-Baathist officers among ISIS ranks.

     

    Yet the slaughter of Coptic Egyptian workers in Libya has lent further credence to the idea that ISIS aims not to sow discord abroad, but to draw countries such as Egypt and Jordan further into the internecine conflicts raging on their borders, regardless as to whether they do so out of apocalyptic fervor or the strategic logic of asymmetric warfare. 

     

    Sultan Barakat & Andrew Leber

    Jordan, Egypt, and the response to ISIS: Beyond air strikes Link to the Article

     

    The Brookings Institution

    February 22, 2015

     

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    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/25/2015 6:04:01 PM



  • The centrality of the impending  Apocalypse in ISIS ideology is its Achilles' heel. The bulk of end-time dogma comes from the Hadiths which have no divine sanction and are not binding on us. Many of us have for long said that the hadiths should not be considered holy books. 

    The only thing that the Quran tells us on the subject is that God alone knows the timing of the Quiyamah. We must actively refute and mock this obsession with eschatology.

    Excellent article from Nomani and Arafa. ISIS ideology is part of Islam just as cancer is part of the body. 


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/25/2015 3:02:24 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus
    what are your fatwas on authenticity of Ahadith used in the articles. These ahadith are believed by majority of Muslims peaceful and extremists alike.
    why do you think roots of extremism are not in theological sources of Islam?

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 5:33:57 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, what is your opinion on following Hadith:
    “Lift up your lower garment to the middle of your shank, and if you don’t wish to, then to the ankles. Beware the trailing of the lower garment, for it is arrogance, and Allah does not like arrogance.” The “shank” is around the calf, making the fighters, in our eyes, “high-water jihadis.”
    Islamic words, justice, innocence and arrogance have entirely different meaning than others.
    Is it universal in application?
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 5:23:07 AM