Quran 3:158 supports that Muslims who are slain in the way
of Allah could receive forgiveness of sin as mentioned below:
Quran 3:156-158 (M. H. Shakir translation), “(156) O you who
believe! Be not like those who
disbelieve and say of their brethren when they travel in the earth or engage in
fighting: Had they been with us, they would not have died and they would not
have been slain; so Allah makes this to be an intense regret in their hearts;
and Allah gives life and causes death and Allah sees what you do. (157) And if you are slain in the way of
Allah or you die, certainly forgiveness from Allah and mercy is better than
what they amass [what those who stay home from Jihad receive – no booty and no
perks in heaven]. (158) And if indeed
you die or you are slain, certainly to Allah shall you be gathered together.”
As the phrase, those who disbelieve, is mentioned in Quran
3:156 with the phrase, engage in fighting, it implies that non-Muslims in the
past liked fighting.
As explained earlier, the way of Allah, as mentioned in
Quran 2:62 is to believe in Allah and do good deeds since this is the only way
could lead a person to paradise. The
phrase, slain in the way of Allah, in Quran 3:157 should be interpreted as
those Muslims who were slain by non-Muslims had done good deeds in the past and
were faithful to Allah. As the phrase,
if you are slain in the way of Allah, is mentioned in Quran 3:157 with the
phrase, certainly forgiveness from Allah, it implies that Allah only mentions
forgiveness of sins for those Muslims who had done good deeds in the past and
were unfortunately slain by non-Muslims.
Quran 2:193-194 and 2:216-218 provide the truth that
non-Muslims in the past were violent and would fight aggressively against
Muslims. The following are the extracts:
Quran 2:193-194 (M.H. Shakir translation), ‘And fight with
them until there is no persecution, and religion should be only for Allah, but
if they desist, then there should be no hostility except against the
oppressors. The Sacred month for the
sacred month and all sacred things are (under the law of) retaliation: whoever then acts aggressively against you,
inflict injury on him according to the injury he has inflicted on you and be
careful (of your duty) to Allah and know that Allah is with those who guard
The word, persecution, as mentioned in Quran 2:193 implies
that Muslims were facing persecution from non-Muslims at the era. The phrase, whoever then acts aggressively against
you inflict injury on him, in Quran 2:194 implies also non-Muslims in the past exercised
aggressive fighting against Muslims. As
non-Muslims fought aggressively against Muslims, Quran 2:193 demands Muslims to
fight defensively with them till persecution from non-Muslims ceased. As the phrase, if they desist, is mentioned
in Quran 2:193 with the phrase, there should be no hostility except against the
oppressors, it implies that there should not be any hostility between Muslims
and non-Muslims if they desisted or ceased in fighting except for oppressors,
or in other words, except those who continuously oppressed Muslims. As Quran 2:195 demands Muslims not to have
hostility against non-Muslims when they ceased fighting, it promotes defensive
fighting instead of aggressive fighting.
Quran 2:216-217 (M.H. Shakir translation), ‘Fighting is
enjoined on you, and it is an object of dislike to you; and it may be that you
dislike a thing while it is good for you, and it may be that you love a thing
while it is evil for you, and Allah knows, while you do not know. They ask you concerning the sacred month
about fighting in it. Say: Fighting in
it is a grave matter, and hindering (men) from Allah’s way and denying Him, and
(hindering men) from the Sacred Mosque and turning its people out of it, are
still graver with Allah, and persecution is graver than slaughter; and THEY
WILL NOT CEASE FIGHTING WITH YOU UNTIL THEY TURN YOU BACK FROM YOUR RELIGION,
IF THEY CAN; and whoever of you turns back from his religion, then he dies
while an unbeliever…’
The phrase, they will not cease fighting with you until they
turn you back from your religion, in Quran 2:217 implies that non-Muslims in
the past were violent. The reason why
they fought against Muslims in the past was to turn Muslims to be unbelievers ultimately
since the phrase, they turn you back from your religion, is mentioned in Quran
The word, unbelievers, as mentioned in Quran 2:217 should
exclude those Jews or Christians or Sabians who believe in Allah since the
word, unbelievers, by its word, should refer to those non-Muslims who do not
believe in Allah. Quran 2:62 even mentions
that Jews and Christians and Sabians who believe in Allah and do righteous deeds
will have their rewards with the Lord.
I believe I have refuted all the quranic verses that have been brought out above to be abused by muslim extremists. Do you have any other weird quranic or hadith verses that are hard to handle?
Does Quran 3:118 support that Muslims should not employ an
unbeliever if there is a Muslim who can do the job or the Kuffar can never be
"O you who believe! Do not
take for intimate friends those other than your own people; they do not fall
short of inflicting loss upon you; they love what distresses you; vehement
hatred has already appeared from out of their mouths, and what their breasts
conceal is greater still" (Quran 3:118)
The phrase, inflicting loss upon you
they love what distresses you, in Quran 3:118 implies that these non-Muslims
should have agitated Muslims to cause them to be distressed. The phrase, vehement hatred has already appeared
from out of their mouths, in Quran 3:118 implies the anger that non-Muslims
have upon Muslims. Modern non-Muslims
would not have hatred against Muslims and some even like to live harmony with
them. As modern non-Muslims do not have
any hatred against Muslims, how could Quran 3:118 be applicable to non-Muslims
in this contemporary world at the absence of their hatred upon Muslims. This verse could only be applicable when the
Prophet Muhammad was on earth since non-Muslims at that time were violent and
would even kill seventy Muslims even though their purpose in approaching them
was to have peace treaty with them instead of fighting. The phrase, vehement hatred has already
appeared from out of their mouths, in Quran 3:118 implies non-Muslims in the
past were not only violent, but they also filled with hatred in their faces.
As non-Muslims in this contemporary
world would not have hatred against Muslims and some prefer even to live
harmony with them, how could Quran 3:118 be applicable to this modern world for
the fact that Quran 3:118 could only be able to apply in the past due to
non-Muslims in the past were violent and was filled with hatred against
As Quran 3:118 could only be applicable at the era, it is irrational to use it to support that Muslims in this contemporary world should not employ an unbeliever if there is a Muslims who can do the job.
Does the following statement seem justifiably from Quranic point of view?
------ Shaikh Muhammad bin Abdul Wahhab, Majmua Al-Rasael Wal-Masael Al-Najdiah 4/291 “Islam wishes to destroy all states and governments anywhere on the face of the earth which are opposed to the ideology and programme of Islam, regardless of the country or the nation which rules it.
The purpose of Islam is to set up a state on the basis of its own ideology and programme, regardless of which nation assumes the role of the standard-bearer of Islam or the rule of which nation is undermined in the process of the establishment of an ideological Islamic State.
The above statement has contradicted against the words of Quran.
Firstly, Quran demands Muslims to be peace-makers instead of trouble-makers on the earth. Yet the above statement demands Muslims to act contradictorily against the words of Quran to make mischief so as to destroy all states and governments anywhere.
The following is the extract:
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #11)-Mohsin Khan translation:
‘And when it is said to them: "make not mischief on the earth," they say: "We are only peace-makers."
Secondly, Quran demands Muslims to do righteous deeds instead of evil deeds since it condemns those who do evil to hell. Yet the former statement promotes Muslims to do evil so much so to create havoc against governors and innocent residents. The following is the extract:
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #81)-Moshin Khan translation:
‘Yes! Whosoever earns evil and his sin has surrounded him, they are dwellers of the Fire (i.e. Hell); they will dwell therein forever.’
What is Islam ideology and program? The Islam Ideology and program has been spelt out vividly in the following quranic verse:
(سورة هود, Hud, Chapter #11, Verse #11)-Mohsin Khan translation:
‘Except those who show patience and do righteous good deeds: those, theirs will be forgiveness and a great reward (paradise).’
The phrase, do righteous good deeds, is mentioned in Quran 11:11 demands all Muslims to do righteous deeds instead of evil deeds. Yet Muslim extremists twist the words of Quran that Islam ideology is to kill non-Muslims and to stir up havoc against their governors.
Does Quran 18:9 encourage Muslims to have aggressive
fighting among themselves? No, it is not
true to support it since Quran 85:10 forbids Muslims to put believing men and
believing into trial by torturing them, i.e. beating them and causing them to
be in pain.
The following is the extract:
(سورة البروج, Al-Burooj, Chapter #85,
‘Verily, those who put into trial the believing men and
believing women (by torturing them and burning them), and then do not turn in
repentance (to Allah), then they will have the torment of hell, and they will
have the punishment of the burning Fire.’
As Quran 85:10 forbids Muslims to put other Muslims into
trial, the so-called, fight, in Quran 18:9 should be meant for defensive
fighting instead of aggressive fighting.
Defensive fighting here refers to Muslims are themselves under attack
and that is why they defend themselves in order to protect themselves. Aggressive fighting is the reverse since they
fight even other moderate Muslims do not fight with them. They blow down their mosques even though
these moderate Muslims do not do any evil to them.
Is it true to use Quran 8:12 to support that Muslims must
abstain from Shirk [polytheism] and are Muwahhid (believer in oneness of God),
their Faith cannot be perfect unless they have enmity and hatred in their
action and speech against non-Muslims?
Quran 8:12 (Mohsin Khan translation), “(Remember) when your
Lord reveal to the angels, “Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have
believed, I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so
strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes.”
Let’s meditate Quran 8:11 before jumping into conclusion as
given in Quran 8:12 as follows:
(سورة الأنفال, Al-Anfaal, Chapter #8,
because they contended against Allah and His Messenger: If any contend against
Allah and His Messenger, Allah is strict in punishment.’
phrase, contend against, in The Free Dictionary is defined as fighting against
someone. As the phrase, any contend
against Allah and His Messenger, is mentioned in Quran 75:13, it implies that
those who have disbelieved as mentioned in Quran 75:12 should be those non-Muslims
who have fought against Allah and His Messenger. Or in other words, Quran 75:12 should be
interpreted as the Lord would reveal to the angels to cast terror into the
hearts of those who have disbelieved so as to strike them over the necks and
smite over all their fingers and toes due to they have fought against Allah and
His Messenger. If the interpretation
would be so, it is erroneous to use it to apply into this modern society since
non-Muslims in this contemporary world would not fight against Allah and
Muslims since they would like to live in harmony with Muslims.
meditate Quran 8:13 in Moshin Khan translation as well as Saheeh 13 translation
(سورة الأنفال, Al-Anfaal, Chapter #8,
is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies
and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in
(سورة الأنفال, Al-Anfaal, Chapter #8,
– English translation:
is because they opposed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever opposes Allah and
His Messenger - indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.’
assume that both Moshin Khan translation and Saheeh translation are correct
that Quran 8:13 has nothing to do with fighting but as a result of their
disobeying and opposing from Allah and His Messenger.
if Quran 8:13 should be interpreted as disobeying and opposing from Allah and
His Messenger, those non-Muslims in Quran 8:12 should not refer to those Jews
and Christians and Sabians who believe in Allah and the Last Day and do
righteous deeds since Quran 2:62 supports that all these non-Muslims would have
their reward with the Lord with no fear and grieve. The following is the extract:
(سورة البقرة, Al-Baqara, Chapter #2, Verse #62)-Mohsin Khan
‘Verily! Those who believe and those who are jews and christians, and Sabians,
whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall
have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they
The reason is simply that the phrase, on them shall be no fear
nor shall they grieve, in Quran 2:62 implies that Allah would not execute
severe punishment against these non-Muslims who believe in Allah and do good
deeds. As Allah would enable these
non-Muslims to have no fear or grieve, the phrase, I will cast terror into the
hearts of those who have disbelieved, in Quran 8:12 should not be interpreted
as Allah will cast terror into the hearts of these non-Muslims instead, Quran
8:12 should be interpreted to those non-Muslims in the past who liked to act
contrarily against Allah and His Messenger to the extent in fighting against
them since Allah does not reject all non-Muslims but only those who act
contrarily against Allah by fighting against him in the past. If the interpretation could be so, it is
erroneous to use it to apply into this modern society since non-Muslims in this
contemporary world would not fight against Allah and his Messengers nowadays.
verse certainly should exclude some non-Muslims who are ignorant of the words
of Quran. Their ignorance of the Quran
would cause them not to be aware of the existence of Allah. As these non-Muslims do not read the words of
Quran, it is irrational to use this verse to condemn these people to act
against Quran due to their ignorance of the words of Allah in Quran. They do not believe in Allah due to they do
not like the existence of Allah in reality.
How could their ignorance of the existence of Allah to be treated as
their disobedience to Allah? Thus, Quran
8:12 could not be applicable to them due to their disbelief in Allah is the
result of their ignorance of Allah instead of to be treated as their continuous
disobedience to Allah.
Terrorist attacks are simply manifestations of the radical wahhabi ideology,
the symptoms of the threat, not the threat itself. The global policies that
ignore the ideological driving force will fail, because they are not addressing
the real menace.
How many of the commentators of this forum have an idea or
mechanism that can uplift a society from one level to another? I have none, but
19th century philosopher Friedrich Hegel explains that societies
evolved through a form of dialectic. Prevalent ideas (theses) will not change
unless they are challenged by contradictory ideas (antitheses). This will
create a conflict. The contradiction is then reconciled by third proposition
(synthesis). The synthesis then will become the new thesis until it is
challenged by a new antithesis and the process will perpetuate itself.
Since the world is constantly changing and therefore old
ideas must be challenged and where there is freedom of speech truth will
eventually prevail. The alternative would be to ban new ideas and protect the
old ones by force. The Islamic societies follow the latter model. The laws of
the 7th century Arabia are canonized for eternity since they are
given by a deity and no one can change them.
Credit should be given to Sultan Shahin for attempting a form of
dialectic by criticizing Wahhabism, Salafism, Sufi scholars, seventh century
mind-set and refuting Jihadis’ xenophobic supremacist Millenarian theses.
Some of you may wish to know how the second great prophet of
Islam gently and authoritatively confronted Judaism and Old Testament violent
versus. It is a form of dialectic. A few examples.
“You have heard that it was said to those of old, ‘You shall
not murder’ but I say to you, that whoever is angry with his brother without a
cause shall be in danger of judgement. Whoever says ‘You fool’ shall be in
danger of hell fire.”
“You have heard that ‘You shall not commit adultery’. But I
say to you that whoever looks at a woman to lust for her has already committed adultery
with her in his heart”
“You have heard that it was said ‘An eye for an eye, tooth
for a tooth’. But I tell you not to resist an evil person. But whoever slaps
you on your right cheek, turn the other to him also.”
if you where been neglected and
justice denied to u.. then sure u will turn a traitor.. at least we Muslims didn't
became traitor. we r just expressing our anger... betraying the country is not
in our blood... if u r not satisfied with my views then go and check traitors
list who were passing the secrets of this country to ISI... start from ISRO
espionage case to latest "Navy War Room" leakage case....
Let me ask one question to
all i am a Muslim nd i have to form an Islamic constitution nd secular one as Islam
is complete way of life. Now if somebody stops me for doin the same what should
jihad? From whom they want to attain this? Is it by eliminating innocent people
who do not know what this jihad is......... ? Is it for making all the people
of the world, Muslims? . We know that these things will only bring misery and
agony and nothing but a chaotic situation. Let us not become a prey to this.
Let us live in harmony.
Answer A solution without A complaint:
*Many political Muslims you will see complaining' agitating' protesting'
politicising against America 'Israel etc for disaster of Muslim Nations!!
But no one come with a solution for Muslim worlds
prosperities!!"They r just sucks who don't want to speak peace
development' technology and education etc for their people..they have stupid
policies of complaining... They want people children should die and they just
do pity complaining games on coffee and cigarette!!!But they don't have any
Idea to lead Muslims towards success and prosperity!! Isn't it strange truth???
@Pervez Ahmed, Well said brother.
best way to handle terrorism is to
burn the bodies of terrorist killed !!! automatically "religion-less
terrorism" will subside !!!
@ Pervez Ahmed, it's not the time to
define terrorism,,,, it's the time for Muslims to stop terrorism
Muhammad Farooq Khan On Jihad VersusTerrorism - Part 1: The Four Principle Of
‘Jihad As War’
Muhammad Farooq Khan on Jihad versus Terrorism - Part 2: Refutation of the
Excuses or Justifications Offered By the Terrorist Groups
Muhammad Farooq Khan on Jihad versus Terrorism - Part 3: The Purpose of Jihad
Mr. Sultan Shahin, you must clear the difference between Jihad
and terrorism on international platform. Please stop the wrong propaganda of a Qur'anic
is a Qur'anic term and the Holy Quran provides its definition also."And
strive for Allah with endeavour which is His right." Thus Jihad is only
sincere struggle against wrong for right. fighting permission is given in the
condition of "Those who have been driven from their homes unjustly only
because they said: Our Lord is Allah." It is Jihad. But western country is
the Term Jihad is using instead terrorism deliberately, and we are following
Anil Kumar Shukla, Rana Chatterjee, Prakash Pandey, Manish Singh & Sanjay
your viewpoints, I therefore, earnestly request you to reflect upon the two articles which
has just been posted by me.
what! It sure will be nice for all of you, to at least make a sincere attempt
to understand one of the major causes of terrorism too? Merely saying, to ban
Islam is simply unwise.
most of you insist that banning is the final solution, then, why not enlighten
me as to how you would convey such a verdict to 1.5 billion followers of Islam? Does
anyone of you know how to make a convincing argument to the Muslims?
“One-Sided” negative news will make most of you to pass such
remarks. Isn’t it high time to at least read all three sides of the story, that
is, Jewish, Christians and Muslims. Let’s say, those belonging to the three Abrahamic
the way, if a Jew and a Christian can give a fair and balanced opinion, then
why should it be so much difficult for those in India to be judicious in making
their comments about the religion of Islam. The problem is, “If the goons
are on the loose, then, so are the loons.” One should not let the “Uneducated
Brutes” and “Intellectual Bigots” rule the world. Am I right or
the favor of your early reply.
ISLAMIC EXTREMISM HAVE MORE TO
DO WITH THE WEST
Islam is a religion, which for most of the
centuries it has been practiced, has professed tolerance. Its
non-ecclesiastical structure has made it easy for some to interpret its tenets
in varying and sometimes very intolerant ways, as Islamic State or al-Qaida have
infamously demonstrated. Nevertheless, the West has been guilty itself of confusing
what is written in the texts with the practices implemented by terrorist groups
and by some exalted imam who use religion as a pretext to commit crimes against
humanity. This is evidently unfair and wrong. Would we ever confuse the
massacre of 2,900 Palestinian refugees at the Sabra and Shatila Camp in Beirut
by Christian Phalangist militias in September 1982 with the words of Jesus
Christ and his teachings of peace? It is very doubtful. The episode, classified
by the Assembly of the United Nations as genocide, was documented by
photographers who clearly described the perpetrators as Christians because they
were brandishing crucifixes during the massacre.
Islam, which represents more than a billion
people of every race, nationality and culture, as well as being a religion is
also a lifestyle. The overwhelming majority of Muslims profess a religion of
peace, mercy, and forgiveness that has nothing to do with the violence of
Islamic State, or al-Shabaab in Somalia and Kenya, or Boko Haram. Moreover,
only 18% of Muslims reside in the Arab world – the majority is scattered in every
corner of the earth. Muslims believe in the chain of prophets starting with
Adam and including Noah, Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Job, Moses,
Aaron, David, Solomon, Elias, Jonah, John the Baptist and Jesus. When
discussing Islam, therefore, it is important to avoid making the now all too
common link to terrorism. Perhaps it is even wrong to speak of “Islamic
terrorism,” especially as the modern manifestations of Islamic extremism have
more to do with the West than with Mecca, having their roots in the Afghanistan
of the late eighties and early nineties, with the full financial and military
support of the United States and some Arab Gulf countries.
Terrorism And Fundamentalism Not
Exclusive To Islam – Analysis
April 17, 2015
THINK MUSLIMS HAVEN’T CONDEMNED
ISIS? THINK AGAIN
Stereotypes about Muslims are as corrosive as
stereotypes about Jews. Yet, to my shame, in the past few months, I’ve heard
Jews call Islam an “evil, bloodthirsty religion” and accuse “the Muslims” of
being “animals,” “savages” and “uncivilized.” I’ve also read warnings of an
imminent Holy War and endless demands for imams and other Muslims to speak out
against their militants.
In fact, many of their leaders have done so
but have been ignored, from the full-page ad in The New York Times on January
11 by Muslims Against Islamism, to the “46 Examples of Muslim Outrage about
Paris Shootings that Fox News Can’t Seem to Find” collected by Katie Halper at
RawStory. Beliefnet published another compilation of denunciations of ISIS by
major Islamic groups and religious authorities in “Think Muslims Haven’t
Condemned ISIS? Think Again.”
Only prejudice, in this case Islamophobia, can
explain why people insist that every Muslim answer for jihadist extremists but
not that every German answer for Hitler, Himmler and Mengele; or that every
descendant of the pioneers answer for massacres of Native Americans; or that
every white Southerner atone for the grim abuses of white slave owners; or that
every heterosexual answer for straight homophobic killers. Not every male is
expected to do penance for men who sexually abuse little girls, beat and murder
their wives or earn billions from violent pornography, prostitution and human
Should every Jew be loathed and feared because
Baruch Goldstein gunned down 29 unarmed Palestinian Muslim worshippers in a
mosque in Hebron? Should we have to answer for the Jewish fanatics who
kidnapped a 16-year-old Arab, beat him with a wrench, forced him to drink
gasoline and torched him? Should any Jew be victimized by anti-Semites because
some people object to events in Israel?
Letty Cottin Pogrebin
Islamophobia, The Flip Side of
Real teaching of Islam and modern day terrorism.......
.............first....a Muslim or group of Muslims who kills an innocent human
being is killer of whole humanity......second..a Muslim or group of Muslims who
kills people of other state to which its govt. have peace agreement is rejected
from the circle of islam ....third...a muslim or group of muslims who kills
people indiscriminately irrespective of good' bad. women. children is also
rejected from the circle of islam...a muslim or group of muslims who rebels
against its islamic govt..is also rejected from islam......4th..a muslim or
group muslims who declare war against king..president..pm whatever and disrupt
peace of the country for its selfish means and greed of power is also rejected
from Islam......now modern day jehad like ISIS and Huthi rebels..Alshabab are
not Islamic in character they have been rejected by scholars of islam and by
Saudi govt which is the epicentre of islam....these terrorist organisations are
not based on Islamic laws indeed they have little and raw Islamic knowledge
they work on Newton's third law of motion" to every action there is an
equal and opposite reaction"...it is a natural phenomenon when we disturb
a community with external influence the same habitate ll develop into a new
community with some extraordinary characters alien to the habitate...same is
the case with modern world ..powerful nations are manipulating peaceful states
according to their tastes by wars and conspiracies and civil wars...this is
creating a society with extraordinary characters in and these disturbed
habitates become havens for them to grow and express...so', this terrorism is
due to alien not related to any old tradition it is invented by modern day
super powers ..
There are 7 postings between 12:43:51 PM to 12:48:51 PM with different names but using same format.
And again 4 postings between 2:03:36 PM and 2:07:26 PM
This is becoming a regular feature in this thread, You will find the same pattern earlier also.
First we should define 'Terrorism' and its different kinds. Thereafter the definition of 'Terrorist'. Next who is more inflicted to terrorism? Who suffered more due to terrorism? What is state sponsored terrorism and its different kinds? What kind of immediate relief is given to a person related to another religion and affected by state sponsored terrorism in the name of secularism or other isms?
To terrorise a person or a group of persons mentally is also a severe kind of terrorism and more worse than bodily harm.
If you drive a dog or a cat to a corner, it would bite and attack, so why deny Muslims the right to seek revenge from those who have harmed them.
But I don't approve of killing unconcerned innocent citizens. Direct the ire against those who are responsible for your destruction. Muslims howsoever aggrieved have no right to harm the innocents, whosoever they may be.
Who is a believer and
who is a kafir is also situational. For example, the Indian army liberated
Bangla Desh by defeating the Pakistan Army which practiced great oppression on
the people of Bangla Desh. The role that the Indian army played was of the
Momin and the Pakistan army were playing the role of the kafirin as it
concerned the oppressed people of Bangla Desh.
(4:141) ….And never will Allah grant to the kafirin
a way (to triumph) over the Mominin.
Javed Ahmed Ghamidi on Jiziya:
THE CONCEPT OF “ZIMMI” AND “JIZYAH”
This subject at this turn requires an answer to the questions regarding the identity of a “Zimmi” and the definition of “Jizyah”.
Before answering this question we shall have to keep the special status of the Prophet Hood of Muhammad (SWS). In fact after the completion of the process of communication of the message of Islam, the Holy Prophet, just one year before his death, was ordered by God that all Jews and Christians, living on the Arabian soil who have not yet embraced Islam, should be declared “Zimmi”. These Zimmis would be the subjects of the Muslim state if they want to stay here and would be its responsibility; they would pay a tax named as “Jizyah” as the Muslims pay the tax known as Zakat.
Thus they were punished in a way that their independent status was terminated and they were included among the subject of the Muslim government of Arabia. The following order was issued forth by God one year before the death of the Holy Prophet:
“Fight against such of those to whom “the Book” was given as they believe neither in Allah nor the last day, who do not forbid what Allah and His Prophet have forbidden, and do not embrace the true faith, until they pay tribute out of hand and are subdued”. (Al-Tawbah-9:29)
Certain facts here are noteworthy. First, there was no regular state formulated on the Arabian soil. So when the establishment of a regular state was planned, it was to be perceived what should be the status of the Jews and the Christians reluctant to embrace Islam. Therefore, they were declared Zimis and were levied the tax of Jizyah upon them. It was made clear that they would not render compulsory military service in return to their payment of Jizyah.
Second, those who did not accept Muhammad (SWS) as the Prophet of God faced the penalty inflicted upon them by God. This punishment was not the same for the believers of the Holy Books and the pagans. The pagans were warned to be ready for death or exile in case they failed to accept Islam as their religion whereas the believers of the Holy Books were just declared Zimmis.
Thus these instructions were also exclusively related with the direct addressees of the Holy Prophet. Since a Rasool is himself a court of God set in this world, they were penalized by this court. This instruction is no more applicable in later periods. This is why, there is neither any Zimmi today nor does the tax of Jizyah exist. Now, all the non-Muslims ruled by a Muslim government are the party of the treaty made between the two groups by the constitution of that country. And the Muslims are bound to honor this treaty and treat the non-Muslims with justice. These people are called “Maahid” (Non-Muslims with whom an agreement has been accorded).
This principled and ideological discussion gives birth to some questions. The first one is about the obligations of the Muslim governments of today towards the non-Muslim minorities according to the Islamic point of view. The answer is that in the present day all the Muslim governments are the members of the United Nations Organization and they are, therefore, bound to observe its charter. They are also bound to honour the treaties with any other nation on reciprocal basis. Their treatment with the minorities has to be just; rather they must treat them even better than their own people.
Dr. Muhammad Farooq Khan On Jihad VersusTerrorism - Part 1: The Four Principle Of ‘Jihad As War’
Dr. Muhammad Farooq Khan on Jihad versus Terrorism - Part 2: Refutation of the Excuses or Justifications Offered By the Terrorist Groups
Dr. Muhammad Farooq Khan on Jihad versus Terrorism - Part 3: The Purpose of Jihad
The Much discussed and debated Medinian Verses Relating to Fighting
Furthermore, one can clearly see that another commentator Mohammad Hanif Khan Saheb is also a victim of a similar confusion, though he seems to have made up his mind that the answer is the second answer provided by the student in Iftikhar Hai Saheb's mail. He wrote:
WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU (2/216) QURAN,,,, jo jehad se munkar hon wo
chhod jayen khuda ka islam-wallaho azizun zunteqam-aip leader.
It seems Muslims, particularly some of the youth, living in the West, are beginning to wonder and ask questions.
I found the following in a mail circulated by an American Muslim activist Iftekhar Hai Saheb. It is important for Muslim scholars to address such questions and come out with straightforward answers. My answer is, of course, given in the statement above as well as in many other places, but some, even from New Age Islam forum need to introspect and come out with clear answers guiding particularly the youth living in non-Muslim majority countries.
Says Iftikhar Hai sahib: "Here is the Question that Muslims need to answer to our neighbours who are from different faith:
"A student who is studying Quran points, for example, to the Koran 9:29, where God commands Muslims to “Fight those among the People of the Book [Jews and Christians] … until they pay the jizya [tribute] with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”
"Now how can we in modern days living in Canada, USA, Europe, etc. around Jews and Christian explain what this means today.
"1) This verse belongs in historical context. During the times of 6th century when Jews and Christian were enemies trying to destroy the small community of Muslims. This verse does not apply to present day Jews and Christians because we are now settled among them and are part of nationally bestowed human rights by our Constitution.
"2) Another radical answer: Muslims must fight Christians and Jews till the end of times until Islam is established in the whole world. This is the Wahhabi or radical angle."
Save Britain from Muslim and Shariah law.
RELIGIOUS DEFINITIONS……ON PATH TO
PEACE OR WAR ?
is one of the biggest questions of this current period that would provide a
great opportunity to the world community to explore beyond their faith and
belief following both scientific and theological insight to secure the morality
and safety of future generation. But we have already separated the existence of
God in mazes of religious definitions, and ignored the true facts of the
religions that navigating our life towards heaven or hell.
of an individual person evolves on basis of their inherited system of thoughts
and genetic nature, within a tendency to fulfil the terrestrial desires. It is
the genetic nature of mankind that forces them to utilize whatever they have
innovated to secure their own physical world, eliminating the real potential of
spiritual graces. At this rising period of science (mind), the sacred potential
of theology (spirit) has fallen down bellow to its dangerous point. Thus all
the leading religious thinkers will have to understand the excellence of this
big question and bring all the religious definitions in one idea for the
perpetuation of the basis of peace and solidarity.
this issue there are large possibilities for the world literate community to
bring all the religious group and non religious group together by revealing the
philanthropic aspects of this big question as a principal of “New spiritual
to both scientific and theological points of view in one idea, our religious
tenets and definitions are the basis of our faith, it is potential enough to
civilize the existence of human beings on basis of peace and humanity, but the
origin (incarnations) of religions are based on its contemporary needs, which
is now existing as invisible boundaries separating our existence according to
our inherited system of thoughts. Whenever our genetic nature had tried to
evolve beyond the natural process, it always crippled the verve of religious
definitions, creating the basis of war.
steady belief or faith, that unable to obtain the terrestrial bliss from
religious teachings and spiritual graces has emerged as non religious groups
following the potential of science (mind) after neglecting the graces of
achieve the graces of religious definitions for peace, the world community needs
an exploration following both scientific and theological insight, to unify all
our religious teachings in one idea, to uproot the basis of religious
conflicts, without disgracing the faith of any mankind. Though we have lots of
religious groups and organizations leading us on path to peace according to its
fame, excellence and generosity, but the separation of their principal, God
revelation and exploration are the obstacles between religious and non
religious groups seeking to perpetuate the basis of peace.
the present dubieties from religious points of view that emerged from political
complexities and communal conflicts will never equate the non religious groups
to work beyond their premeditated tenets. Within these circumstances, we will
have to explore for our leadership in ministry and religious thinkers, to equip
all the religious complexities facts within one idea. It will help the world
leadership to approach all the religious and non religious groups for the
perpetuation of the basis of peace and solidarity.
the definitions and languages of all our religious and non religious groups are
quite different from each other, but their meaning is based on a single view
and that is only philanthropy. If the true facts of all our religions are
framed in one idea in form of literature according only to its philanthropic
points of view, there would be an opportunity for all religious followers to
stand together with non religious groups to prevent the issues of war. It’s an
aspect of literature which even exists as Holy books that enthralls our mind
and spirit right up from our childhood creating the basis of our faith
according to our culture and philosophical tradition.
It is not possible for science and an
individual religion to equip our understanding of the realities of human nature
and its physical world, which might evolve our morality and faith to change our
inherited system of thought and genetic nature according to the basic needs of
this current period.
WARFARE IS ORDAINED FOR YOU (2/216) QURAN,,,,jo jehad se munkar hon wo chhod jayen khuda ka
islam-wallaho azizun zunteqam-aip leader
@ Ahsän Kämrän, What do you know about Sultan Shahin?
While the Islamic followers fall short of a good mentor the evil of the
Baghdadis take over.
A must read article.. Ayesha Sadaf
Welcome! we need to raise voice against the jihadi cult
and sudden mushrooming of wild practices and postures defacing Islam. I am
ready to walk extra mile for this great cause to save Islam from fanatics and
dogmatists. We need to popularise improved and simple ways and practices.
Dear Fellow Muslims,
input is as follows:
Shahin, You're doing same thing what BJP says on many issues. You've become
another Zafar Saroshwala, a stooge of BJP after that interview. smile emoticon
By Ahsän Kämrän - 4/12/2015 7:33:00 AM
MRL - Let’s
not use the word, “stooge.” Sultan Shahin Saheb must get into the habit
of calling a spade a spade, when it comes to those commentators who have
proven themselves, to be “Intellectually
agree with Sultan Shahin. Muslims doing utmost harm to Islam. Time for liberal
honest Muslims to stand up and be counted.
By Shahid Siddiqui - 4/12/2015 7:28:31 AM
MRL – I also
agree with the comment. However, it is Sultan Shahin Saheb who must ponder over
how to steer his own forum, so that the “Real Name,” of the commentators
can be known to the readers. Let’s face, if he cares so deeply about reforming the
Muslim minds, then why would the so-called “Reformer,” allow others to
continue to debate with an intent to smear Islam, mock Qur’an and insult
Christianty, sadism, mass murders, genocides, fanaticism, lust, incitement of
hatred, .... .... .... are inseparable.
By Gh Rasool Mir - 4/12/2015 7:25:45 AM
MRL – If that
is what you think, then what words will you use to attach to the behavior of
the followers of Islam? Do you think that “mass murders, genocides,
fanaticism, hatred,” are not present in the Islamic countries? It
is high time to confront the truth,
Sahab is one untiring crusader against the cancer of political and religious
terrorism. Good wishes!
By Sarkar Haider - 4/12/2015 12:33:28 AM
MRL - Sure,
well-wishers are always there for Sultan Shahin Saheb. If he wishes to continue
to act as a “Crusader,” against the cancer of political and religious
terrorism, then he must also be sensitive enough to respect the sentiments of “Moderate Muslims.”
think no direction is needed. you cant keep this satanic world under your
control. Allah is all-knowing. work hard, pray and try your best to company
By Masood Khan Samar -
4/12/2015 12:32:09 AM
MRL – You
missed one thing, that is, Speak Up. “Let there arise out of you a
band of people inviting to all that is good; enjoining what is right and
forbidding what is wrong; they are the ones to attain blissfulness,"
(Surah: Al-‘Imran or the Family of ‘Imran – Chapter: 3 - Verse: 104).
people well versed in the area of conceiving, interpreting, implementing and
directing the dictates and commands of Allah SWT and our beloved Prophet
Mohammed Sallallahu alaihi wassallam can join their heads and find out the
solution of the impasse before it is too late.
By Muzaffer Hussain Talib
- 4/12/2015 12:30:54 AM
MRL – Who
are the people, you think are well versed in the area of convincing,
interpreting and implementing and directing the dictates and commands of
Almighty Allah?” The Qur’anic verse clearly dictates, “let there arise out
of you a band of people.” This commandment did not classify certain group
of people, and certainly, it did not meant to be only for “rabbis, priests and
Allah, Islam will vanish before the end of the world. This is what seems to be
By Manzurul Haque -
4/12/2015 12:28:37 AM
Another doom and gloom prediction which is solely derived from the teachings of
the secondary sources of Islam.
who are misusing Islam for evil deeds are wrong and must be challenged. But,
Mr. Sultan Shahin, you should also write about oppressions on Muslims in
western countries. I searched google, i have never found any article against
Zionists in Israel, against RSS in India, against extremist jews, extremist
christians, extremist Hindus. Whatever the case may be, extremism is extremism
and you must challenge this kind of extremism too.
read many articles. You have more knowledge of good writing skills than Islam.
writing style can stop extremism from all sides. I expect challenging accounts
from your sides against those extremist jews, christians, hindus as well but
you can continue to challenge violent people.
do not write against them, my doubts will remain about you. So please let me
clear my doubts
By A Request To Mr.
Sultan Shahin - 4/11/2015 7:57:20 AM
MRL – Mr.
Request or Mr. Whoever. First of all, why are you afraid to reveal your true
identity? If you spoke the “Truth,” then
what is the point in covering up as to who you are? You are obviously concerned.
The readers have no idea as to who you are? You certainly heard about the
modern day syndrome, “Political Correctness.” That’s
the root cause of all the problems. How can any sane and educated Muslim point about
the extremism in other religions, when on the first place, he continues to
believe that, we the Muslims, must continue to learn from those who insult and
mock the religion of Islam.
truth of the mattere is, what Sultan Shahin Saheb should do, is to question the
bigots who pops up every time on his forum about the extremists Hindus,
Christians and Jews. It is very much obvious that many Muslims have indeed forgotten
the wisdom of our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) which is to, “Say
what is true, although it may be bitter and displeasing to people.”
Sorry for being brutally honest, my fellow Muslims.
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
As per Allah, Islam will vanish before the end of the world. This is what seems to be happening.
The Whole Muslim World Will Sink In Darkness If ISIS Version Of Islam Takes Root. This Will Obviously Have Catastrophic Repercussions For The Muslims In Particular And The Broader Humanity In General.
The following article debunks ISIS ideology and outlaws it.
“The Heinous Crimes That ISIS Is Perpetrating is Totally Opposed To Islam And Those Killed Fighting For ISIS May Earn Divine Wrath Instead Of Paradise And ‘Hurs’ – An SOS To All Mosque Imams.”
Those who do not want the Muslims of the world - a third of its population with more than quarter of a billion male adults to be identified with the ISIS version of Islam (that could rock the whole world) must read it (hardly a page) and if they think it has merit, circulate it around the mosque Imams and perceptive Muslims in their circle.
Respected Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam
the sake of exposing those with “Unclean Hearts,” kindly allow me to share my
own observations as follows:
boundaries of civility.” What is the meaning of civility? Polite act of
expression. How can such an act take place when a person who claims to possess
civility is relentlessly engaged in mocking another religion?
have felt fearless about expressing myself.” That’s right. Fearless about criticizing
Islam, Qur’an and Muslims.
protect the life of a critic.” Whose life is the person referring to? A person
with no real name nor any identity? That’s absurd.
hate crimes against critics of Islam.” Who is encouraging hate crimes
against critics of Islam? On the contrary, those who gleefully criticize Islam cannot
dare answer about the evils in their own society. Who is kidding who?
the ones who continue to be engaged in smearing Islam. Ever noticed how they
will barge in to disrupt a healthy debate? What will these people gain by their
insincere tactics? All they are contributing by debating in the New Age Islam
forum is to demoralize Muslims. It is as simple as that, folks.
To: Respected Muslim
Readers @ New Age Islam
Subject: BRACE YOURSELF FOR THE INEVITABLE CONSEQUENCES
“Do something to
change things or brace yourself for the inevitable consequences.” Concerned Muslims do not have any choice, but
to whole-heartedly agree with Naseer Ahmed’s cautionary words.
Reuter News Agency reported
today, “Two New York city women accused of planning ‘terrorist attack’.”
One of them is Asia Siddiqi. Do we think for one second that these two women
were well versed about the secondary Islamic sources? They are not Muslim men
who wanted to die to attain 72 virgins. Not a chance. They were brainwashed
by the ISIS political propaganda, I emphasized the word, “Political,” in order to wage the war against
take a quick glance at an article titled, “Muslim leaders, Tech
Companies work to Counter Militants,” which was published in The Wall Street
Journal on March 22,
2015. Here’s what the article states:
“ISIS has called for
the assassination of two American imams, including Mr. Qadhi, of Rhodes
College, who have spoken out against the group’s ideology on social media.
Mr. Qadhi has argued
that “the root cause of all violence from Muslim groups is the political
grievances caused by American foreign policy,” and he said he has received
threats from some from non-Muslim extremist groups in the U.S. But he also has
condemned the deadly attack on the French satirical weekly Charlie Hebdo, and
he said the threat from ISIS is proof that his online campaign is making a
difference. “ISIS is scared of a moderate Muslim who can live in the 21st
century,” he said.
countering ISIS, Muslim leaders say, is creating a robust online presence to
provide religious and social guidance for young Muslims, who can struggle
with feelings of isolation and fears of anti-Muslim sentiment.”
This article should
be a wake-up call for the Muslims, that along with the deadly Islamic ideology followed
by the “Muslim Jihadists,” one simply cannot flatly ignore the
political grievances that goes along with it.
the “Intellectual Bigots,” to smear Islam and mock Holy Qur’an only
helps to defeat the very purpose of reformation which the “Moderate Muslims,” continue to talk about. Negative thoughts
will always bring negative results. The sooner we grasp this fact of life,
Finally, what is so
baffling is that certain commentators on the New Age Islam forum do not reveal
their identity out of the fear of being physically attacked by some fanatics. However,
they sure are stupid enough to continue to do all in their power to find faults
with Islam. Though, is it ironic that they are the ones who will never support “Moderate Muslims,”
point of view, as that’s not their ultimate agenda.
Thanks again for
reading, I remain
Very truly yours,
Sultan Shahin Saheb,
FOR THE SAKE
OF BLEEDING HUMANITY
Example.” These two appropriate words which you used made me think of
reminding you of the concerns of Rabindranath Tagore. It is amazing that those
who are all too anxious to point out how bad is Islam deliberately ignored
reading the worldly wisdom of Tagore. What was truly surprising is that you did
not paid, any attention to the very spirit of Tagore’s concerns either. It is
cannot afford in this heart-breaking time of crisis, to indulge in mutual
recrimination; but let us appeal to all God-fearing Mohammedans for the sake of
their own great religion and culture and for the sake of bleeding humanity,
to join hands with us in dealing with evil which may grow into a permanent
source of futility bringing upon our unfortunate country the disgust and
derision of the whole world.”
September 5, 1931
I was expecting is for the “Avowed Bigots,” on the New Age Islam forum
who simply brush aside any “Civilized Reasoning,” given to them, to
carefully read it. They chose not to. You have been reading all the rebuttals.
Now, I am beginning to doubt whether, we the Muslim readers, possess “Civilized
Minds,” or, are we too eager to get carried away with all the negative as
well as nasty comments about Islam and our Holy Qur’an. Since the last quarter
of the year 2013, I have been noticing that the mudslingers are encouraged more
and more to such an extent that “Moderate Muslims,” find it rather distasteful to
enter into any debate on New Age Islam forum.
very spirit of calling God-fearing people to join hands in a “Civilized
Manner,” in shunning the evil is something handful of commentators like “Secular
Logic,” and “Ex-Tablighi,” should take lesson from. Your continued
belief in encouraging those who are relentlessly engaged in not appreciating “Good Words,” posted
by learned Muslims on your forum, is profoundly disappointing. Every sincere comment
is rebutted by nasty comments directed against Islam, Holy Quran and our
beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
Saheb, let me draw your kind attention to the five points which you listed as
Islamic Prayer Is A Hate Speech
Islam Is Naked Communalism
ISIS Represents the Islam
Jihad: Destruction Of Non-Muslims
Islam Is A Religion Of Terror Due To
what! Are you trying to convey the message to all of your readers of New Age
Islam forum that the majority of the ordinary Muslims believe in the five
points listed above? If you went through the trouble of posting it, then it can
also be assumed that you, as an Editor of New Age Islam also believe in these five
points too. In case, you are not aware, many sane and educated Muslims are
equally aware of all such headline news, but what they are seeking is, to read
something enlightening and not disheartening.
and re-circulating such news will not help reform Islam. Nor by encouraging the
Bigots,” who despise Islam to help open the windows
to the world. The only window that I know as an ordinary Muslim is in the
correct translation of our Holy Qur’an, without any references from the Islamic
secondary sources, period.
let all the readers collectively read the following sentences:
Have you ever wondered why so many
times Muslims come out of mosque after their prayer and start violence ?
posted it, Sultan Saheb. Can you elaborate how many Indian Muslims, or for that
matter, any Muslims in the Islamic countries, who goes out after their prayers
from their neighborhood mosques to instigate violence on a daily basis? Kindly,
be specific and provide the readers with facts only.
It is time that non-muslims start
paying Muslims in the same coin unless they leave the evil religion of Islam.
let me ask you, Sultan Saheb. For “The Sake Of Bleeding Humanity,” would you recommend your fellow
humans to take the path of vendetta?
Most muslims have never read their
scriptures from cover to cover and rely on LIARS like Zakir Naik and
semi-literate mullahs who misguide them by hiding the truth.
a correct statement, indeed. Well then, Sultan Saheb, don’t you think that acting
as an Editor and Moderator of New Age Islam forum, you should call
upon the educated Muslims to express their respective viewpoints of what they
have personally learned from the Holy Qur’an. The reason many walked away from
your forum is mainly owing to reading the insulting remarks against Islam and
the Prophet of Islam. That’s an undeniable fact which you cannot refute on any
count. No Jews, nor Christians, nor Hindus, nor Buddhists will appreciate
someone insulting their religions. There is such a thing as human sentiments. I
get a feeling that you are somehow not taking this factor into account while
heaping the praise on the demonizers of Islam on your forum.
be, it will help to attentively read the comment of one of your ardent
well-wishers, who cautioned you by writing that, “if used to malign other’s
faith or mock a rival group of people, it can open a floodgate of unhealthy
discussions that will conduce to ill will among people, spawn evil and render
this website into a vicious gossip forum.”
Islam is a threat to humanity and it
must be banned in the world.
is a real serious sentence which only you can answer. You want your fellow
Muslims to read and reread such sentences, but did it, occurred to you, that
before the Iranian revolution of 1979, the name of Islam was nowhere in the
headline news? Ask yourself, how did Islam, all of a sudden became a major
threat to humanity at large? Aside from the doctrine of “Wahhabi and/or
Salafi,” which so many are obsessed with, can you outline another root
cause of such a dramatic change in Muslims’ behavior? Let’s be honest, Sultan
No matter how you look at Islam, you
will come to only ONE conclusion that Islam is a religion of hatred, bigotry
presume that it is, then what about other religions? Is there such a thing as “State
Sponsored Terrorism” as we all know has been going in the Holy Land
since the past forty-five years? Is Islam responsible for such humiliation and
brutality? You attend the United Nations Human Rights seminars. Did you ever thought,
that the so-called “Human Rights,” must also be applied to the Palestinian
people too? Are you going to tell me that Jews in Israel do not hate Arabs?
Better get your facts straight, Sultan Saheb.
nation or followers of any religion should possess “Carte Blanche,” to
terrorize another people for so long. What you and so many members of the “Muslim
Intelligentsia,” miss out is that, while posting all the bad
news about the “Muslim
Terrorists,“ sadly, most of the elite and educated
Muslims, turn a blind eye towards the sufferings
of their fellow Muslims imposed upon by the Jewish and Christian world. Certainly,
you are not going to argue that the continued immoral action on part of Judaism
and Christianity in the Holy Land is justified, or, are you? Please do not tell
me that, all the chaos and mayhem in the Middle East region got nothing to do
with the “Brutal
Military Occupation” imposed by the State of Israel. Hatred breeds
hatred just like respect begets respect. The million dollar question is, “How
long will the “Civilized World,” continue to ignore the utter misery of
the Palestinian people?”
Saheb, by posting all such news, by allowing “Intellectual Bigots,” to
reign in to insult Islam, by ignoring the earnest pleas of commentators, namely
Muhammad Yunus Saheb, may I ask, “Why are you having such a difficult time
drawing a boundary line?” You might not believe it, but Muslims readers
would be more than delighted to read “Civilized Debate,” which is free
from the “Joy
Of Provocation,” by people belonging to another religion.
That’s uncalled for and definitely not a “Civilized Behavior.” You might
well think that those Muslims who are outspoken like me, tend to act in an
uncivilized manner, if we make harsh comments. We will, if the bigoted person acts
arrogantly and continue to smear the religion of Islam without taking all the facts
but not the least, it will be wise on your part to calmly reflect upon the wise
words of Muhammad Yunus Saheb as follows:
have sounded you in the past that a boundary line must be drawn between freedom
of speech and libel, calumny and abusive, and if a Muslim reader feels that somebody
is virtually abusing his Prophet (quoting sexually provocative and apocryphal
hadith as historical truth) or scandalizing his wife or profaning the Qur'an
like saying that it is full of pornography and that somebody has a Muslim name,
and he is being supported by a group of such people like a band of like-minded
demonizers of Islam, I assure you, he is bound to give up on your site. Not
surprising the participation of Muslim commentators has reduced considerably
over the recent years.”
again for reading, I remain
Dear Lodhia Saheb, since you seem to think SecularLogic is such a unique creature, let me introduce you to some more of your more civilised neighbours, people among whom you are destined to live till you are on this planet unless you manage to change their opinions through the work we are doing at New Age Islam.
It is important for you and, of course, all of us Muslims to know, kahti hai tujhko khalq-e-Khuda ghaibana kya. In this, of course, it's not so much ghaibana, but very much in your face. Try and do something about it, not just rail against them, stalk them, abuse them.
I was posting this news of the latest outrage from our co-religionists: Al Shabaab militants kill 147 at university in Kenya.
At the time I saw this news, the figure was 15, and I came across some comments in the Times of India from our neighbours, our outraged brothers in humanity. Of course, a lot of them talk nonsense, but this nonsense is based on what early Muslims, our salaf, themselves talked about and wrote down and which most of us Muslims revere in the same way as we revere the Holy Quran.
I am giving you only a sample here, rather "civilised" ones, but you better go to that page yourself and millions of others like that to see what the khlaq-e-Khuda thinks of you and me and all us Muslims and our religion and our prophet. They derive most of this "knowledge" from early Muslim sources. Christian crusaders and other Islamophobes exaggerated some of these stories and describes them in their own hateful style, but they are all based on early Muslim Arab narrations revered by us.
And please don't tell me that Times of India is an Islamophobic newspaper.
Sun to sahi, jahan men hai tera fasana kya?Kehti hai tujh ko khalq-e-Khuda, ghaibana kya?--- Aatish Lakhnawi
Acrobat•9288ISLAMIC PRAYER IS HATE SPEECH: Have you ever wondered why so many times muslims come out of mosque after their prayer and start violence ? One would assume that going to a religious place should make one more peaceful and tolerant but there is a reverse effect on muslims. In order to understand this mystery, you should know that Islamic prayer is loads of hate speech. Rather than filling one with peace, Islamic prayer creates agitation and hatred in the mind of a muslim. Let us look into this in detail. In their daily prayer, muslims have to repeat the following Quranic verse multiple times: "Guide us to the straight path, the path of those whom you have favored, Not of those who have incurred your wrath, nor of those who have gone astray" [Quran 1:6-7]. It looks innocuous but it is not. Muslims understand "those who have incurred your wrath" to be Jews and "those who have gone astray" to be Christians and of course, it is muslims who are on the straight path, and thus have Allah's favor. In short, this daily prayer reiforces a hateful idea in a muslim's mind that Allah hates Jews and Christians and favors muslims. And if Allah hates them, how a muslim can ever love them ? If you are a polytheist and feeling relieved that you have been spared, your happiness will be short lived. Your turn comes of Friday when Muslims also have to recite Sura 62 (The Friday Congregation) and Surah 63 (The Hypocrites). Surah 62 specifically condemns polytheists as being in "gross error" and Jews are compared to "a donkey laden with books" [Quran 62:5]. Suran 63 condemns "hypocrites" (those who have renounced their Muslim faith) as: "They are the enemy. Guard yourself against them". Comparing people to "donkeys" is appalling type of hate speech and racism. So muslim prayer, whether daily prayer or Friday congregational one, are horrible sorts of hate crime and bigotry which deserves censure and even a ban in civilized societies. After reciting these communal prayers, only riots can be expected from muslims which happens so often.---Acrobat•9288ISLAM IS NAKED COMMUNALISM: Many people innocently believe that Islam, like most religions, teaches peace, brotherhood and respect for other religions. The truth, on the contrary, is that Islam preaches NAKED COMMUNALISM. Allah Himself asserts in the Quran that He sent Islam to abrogate and replace all other religions: "He (Allah) has sent His Apostle (Muhammad) with the guidance and the (only) true religion that He may make it prevail over all the religions" [Quran 48:28]. Muslims believe that after the birth of Islam under Muhammad, pre-Islamic civilizations became recognized as the age of ignorance (Jahiliyah). Muslim believe that the vestiges of the pre-Islamic Jahiliyah age must be replaced by the perfect religious, political and cultural civilization of Islam. This is the reason whenever muslims gain majority in a country, they start destruction of the non-muslim culture which they consider as ignorance (Jahiliyah). From India to Spain, the destruction of countless numbers of Pagan temples, Buddhist monasteries, Christian churches, Jewish synagogues, and so on bears testimony of the widespread destruction of non-Islamic cultures by Muslim invaders. This urge for obliterating their pre-Islamic past is not just an idle desire amongst Muslims. In their respective homelands, they have been actively and violently working on destroying the vestiges of non-Islamic residues of their pre-Islamic Jahiliyah heritage. For example, the Taliban Islamists demolished eighteen centuries-old Bamiyan Buddha statues in Afghanistan in 2001; Islamists bombed a first-century rock carving of Buddha in the Swat valley in northwest Pakistan in September 2007; they bombed the wondrous ninth-century Borobudur Buddhist temple in Central Java (Indonesia) in January 1985; Islamists in Egypt attacked world’s oldest monastery at Deir Abu Fana in June 2008. For the same reason, Babur built the Babri mosque over Ram temple. A determined effort to obliterate all that is NOT Islamic is also witnessed in the continued Muslim ethnic-cleansing of Hindus in Bangladesh and Pakistan. Following the Partition of India in 1947, Hindus constituted about 25–30 percent of the population in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh), while about 20 percent in Pakistan. Today, their numbers have dwindled to about 10 percent in Bangladesh and 1 percent in Pakistan. It is sheer hypocrisy that these muslims demand equal rights, Sharia law and job reservation when in minority, just the opposite of how they treat minority. It is time that non-muslims start paying muslims in the same coin unless they leave the evil religion of Islam.---Acrobat•9288ISIS REPRESENTS TRUE ISLAM: ISIS, an Islamic terrorist organization is now world famous after it unleashed a wave of terror in Iraq and Syria. Muslims apologetics have been quick to declare its activities as against Islam. It is unbelievable how much muslims lie to fool non-muslims in order to hide the evil of Islam. I challenge muslims to name EVEN A SINGLE cruel act of ISIS which is NOT supported by Islam. I will now provide reference to Islamic scriptures which support all the evil activities of ISIS (1) Female Genital Mutilation: [Sunan Abu Dawood 41.5251], [Sahih Muslim 3:684] (2) Forced conversion of non-muslims to Islam: [Quran 9:5] (3) Imposing Jizyah: [Quran 9:29] (4) Murdering people for refusing to convert to Islam: [Quran 9:29],[Quran 9:5] (5) Enslaving women and children for use as sex slaves: [Quran 33:26-27], [Quran 70:29-30], [Quran 23:5-6] (6) Selling enslaved women and children: [Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, (translation A Guillaume), Oxford University Press, Karachi, 2004 imprint, p.465] (7) Destroying religious structures of other faiths: [Ibn Ishaq, The Life of Muhammad, (translation A Guillaume), Oxford University Press, Karachi, 2004 imprint, p.552, 562]. These muslims think non-muslims are fools who do not know these things. In fact, non-muslims know the evil truth about Islam more clearly than practicing muslims. Most muslims have never read their scriptures from cover to cover and rely on LIARS like Zakir Naik and semi-literate mullahs who misguide them by hiding the truth. ISIS is following Islam word by word as per the teachings of its evil founder Muhammad, who was a champion in all these activities.-------Arrowhead•4247JIHAD: DESTRUCTION OF NON-MUSLIMS: There is extreme Islamic violence in the world in the name of Jihad. So what exactly is Jihad ? Most muslims do not have a precise answer to this. A deep study of Quran and Hadiths provides the shocking truth about Jihad which muslims either don't know or lie about. There are three components in Jihad 1) Imperialism of Islam over non-muslims: Allah gives sanction to muslims to impose Islamic Imperialism over non-muslims in the Quranic verse. "(Allah) hath made you (Muslims) His agents, inheritors of the earth’ and ‘promised to…make them rulers in the earth" [Quran 24:55, 6:165]. Guided by this verse, muslims are continuously waging wars against non-muslims and killing them to establish Islamic rule 2) Forced Conversion of muslims: This is sanctioned by the following Quranic verse "slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them captives and besiege them and lie in wait for them in every ambush, then if they repent and keep up prayer and pay the poor-rate (i.e., they become Muslim),leave their way free to them"[Quran 9:5]. Guided by this verse muslims have been persecuting non-muslims to convert them into Islam 3) Enslaving the non-muslims: Allah guides Prophet Muhammad on HOW to enslave the infidels, in the following verse: "And He (Allah) brought those of the People of the Scripture (i.e., Banu Qurayza) who supported them (i.e., the Quraysh) down from their strongholds, and cast panic into their hearts. Some (adult males) ye slew, and ye made captive some (women and children)" [Quran 33:26–27]. The whole Islamic history is filled with muslims enslaving Kafirs and exploiting them. So according to the doctrine of Jihad 1) muslims must attack non-muslims to rule over them 2) forcefully convert them to Islam and 3) enslave them (including women and children) by treating them as chattels. AND JIHAD IS MANDATORY FOR MUSLIMS. Prophet Mohammed set an example of HOW to follow Jihad by doing all these three things repeatedly in his life, which is a template for all muslims to follow. An Indian ex-muslim M.A. Khan has brilliantly described the ideology of Jihad in his classic book "Islamic Jihad: A legacy of forced conversion, imperialism and slavery". Islam is a threat to humanity and it must be banned in the world.---Acrobat•9288ISLAM IS A RELIGION OF TERROR DUE TO ABROGATION: Muslim apologetics quote the peaceful verses in Quran to claim that Islam is a religion of peace. Critics of Islam quote the militant verses in Quran to claim that Islam is a religion of hate and terror. So what is the truth ? Luckily, Quran provides a clear guideline to sort out this dilemma. According to Quran, if two verses conflict each other then the later verse cancels or abrogates the earlier verse. This is called the doctrine of Abrogation or "al-Nasikh wal-Mansoukh" (the Abrogator and the Abrogated). This doctrine is based on the following Quranic verses: [Quran 2:106],[Quran 16:101],[Quran 13:39] and [Quran 17:86]. Abrogation is also confirmed in another important and reliable source of Islam, Sahih Muslim; it reads: “The Messenger of Allah (Muhammad) abrogated some of his commands by others, just as the Quran abrogates some part with the other.” [Sahih Muslim, Book 3, number 0675]. Let us now apply this guideline to understand the FINAL message of Quran. We refer to the last chapter of Quran Bara'a (Chapter 9) to see what it contains. Shockingly, we find this unbelievably horrible verse: "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day (of Judgement) and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and his messenger have made unlawful [Quran 9:29]....". This verse gives unambiguous guidance to muslims to butcher anybody who does NOT believe in Allah or his messenger Prophet Muhammad. This is the FINAL message of Quran and according to the law of Abrogation it supersedes or abrogates any peaceful verse that conflicts with it. After reading this when I hear from muslims that Islam is a peaceful religion, I WANT TO GIVE THEM A TIGHT SLAP. No matter how you look at Islam, you will come to only ONE conclusion that Islam is a religion of hatred, bigotry and terrorism.
To: Respected Muslim Readers @ New
Nasreen Ahmed Saheb’s observation
about “Secular Logic,” is right on the mark. If His Secular Holiness,”
desires that Muslims should disown their faith and scriptures, then why is the
person not offering any alternative? It seems like all this person is after is
nothing but a downright confession from the “Moderate Muslims,”
come hell high water. Why is this person so much obsessed with an immense
hatred of Islam and Muslims? If there be a valid reason, then what is it?
Think about it, my fellow Muslims.
Avowed bigots like “Akbaruddin Owaisi” spew his hatred in an open air,
whereas, “Secular Logic,” spew his/her hatred in the cyber space. The
only difference is that, one is brave enough to come out in the open using his
own name, and the other act like “Chicken George,” with a concealed
identity. Mind-boggling, isn’t it? Did I not tell each one of you that “Secular
Logic,” will be back.
“I am a critic, and that’s not
going to change.” No, “Secular Logic,” we the Muslim readers welcome
any critical commentator. It would be nice to make comment against any religion
with a “Clean Heart,” and not with an “Unclean Heart,”
which has been the case with “Secular Logic.” Does this person realize
that his/her mission has been only to criticize Islam and Qur’an? Why does
he/she maintain a pin-drop silence when asked about the rape and oppression of
women in India? Oops! I forgot the person has the full “Freedom of Speech,” only
to smear Islam, mock Qur’an and insult Muslims, as per the
guidelines set forth by New Age Islam forum.
One confession which “Secular
Logic,” made is, “it is easy to see through fakeness at some point.”
I am sure that many readers have seen the naked fakeness, except for Sultan
Shahin Saheb, Editor of New Age Islam. That’s pretty sad. Now we are left
wondering as to how many good Muslim commentators have left the New Age Islam
forum? As long as “Secular Logic,” shows Muslims, “a window to the
world or one of the worlds, an essential world with which we have to live in
constant touch,” then we all have to respect Sultan Saheb’s reasoning.
Apparently, he knows best, how all of his fellow Muslim readers can learn from
“His Secular Holiness.”
Finally, the secular verdict is, “Criticism
is logical.” Then the Muslim readers must openly ask, if “Muslim
Terrorists,” are acting as “Ruthless Barbarians,” then how about the
“Brutal Military Occupation,” of the Palestinian people by the Israeli
Defense Forces? Here again, the person’s “Unclean Heart,” will make his/her turn a blind
eye, as if everything evil that is happening in the world is all due to
the followers of Islam only. What a “Perverted Logic”!
Very respectfully yours,
While speaking at the UN Human
Rights Council, I had expressed my satisfaction at the
head of Sunni Islam's oldest seat of learning, Jamia al-Azhar admitting in a
counter-terrorism conference in Mecca that extremism was caused by “corrupt
interpretations of Quran and the sayings of Prophet Muhammad.” The Azhar head Sheikh
Ahmed al-Tayyeb had said that Islamic curriculums teaching Quran and Hadees
needed to change. However, while expressing my gratification, I had also warned
that a half-hearted approach to reform will not work.
seems that either Sheikhul Azhar was simply playing to the counter-terrorism
gallery at Mecca or was speaking as an individual scholar, not as head of
Al-Azhar. For, in just a few weeks, Al-Azhar has started batting for all the
gossip that found its way in the vast body of so-called ahadees narrated and
recorded by a disparate group of people over centuries. And it's not just
harmless gossip that ahadees contain. They also have stories that can be called
pornography, character-assassination attempts of the Prophet (pbuh), narrations
and statements attributed to the prophet (saw) encouraging intolerance, xenophobia,
instigation to terrorism and violence and so on. One has to want to defame
Islam and Prophet Mohammad (saw) to take an uncritical position towards so-called
ahadees, as the Jamia al-azhar does, perhaps seeking to atone for the remarks
made by Azhar head Sheikh Ahmed al-Tayyeb in Mecca last month.
files complaint accusing TV show of twisting Islam
Controversial TV presenter Islam El-Behery has been
referred to official complaints body for 'questioning what is certain in
religion' and stirring sectarian strife
Ahram Online , Wednesday 1 Apr 2015
Egypt's pre-eminent Sunni Islamic institute Al-Azhar
took a swipe on Wednesday at TV presenter Islam El-Behery's show for what it
described as a fierce and elusive campaign against the foundations of Islam and
El-Behery, an Islamic researcher, has been providing
his understanding of Islamic doctrine on his TV show and has stirred
controversy for questioning the credibility of the sources of Prophet
Muhammed's sayings, a prime reference for Islamic teachings next to the Quran.
Al-Azhar filed a complaint to the General Body for
Investment and Free Zones requesting for TV channels not to air El-Behery's
show, also saying it has known that the authority planned to send a warning to
Al Qahera Wal Nas, the channel which airs his show.
El-Behery's show, the Al Azhar statement says,
deliberately makes people question what is certain in religion and that it
threatens social peace. Al-Azhar also accused the show of stirring sectarian
Egypt's President Abdel-Fattah El-Sisi has more than
once called on Al-Azhar to fight what he labelled as faulty Islamic teachings
and extremism, amid a crackdown against Islamists across the nation following
the ouster of Islamist president Mohamed Morsi in 2013.
Dear Sultan Shahin Sahab,
If a commentator likes "nothing about Islam", I wonder why should he take the trouble to post comments, however flowery and impeccably phrased, on this website, which I believe has the sole objective of taking Muslims forward, and bringing peace, progress and harmony in the society. And if, as you said, this fellow's remarks are 'hate-filled', he can do more harm by hurting the sentiments of the Muslim commentators, who will then give up on this site rather than read hateful materials, leaving it to only those commentators whose singular object is to find fault with Islam and Muslims. I have sounded you in the past that a boundary line must be drawn between freedom of speech and libel, calumny and abusive, and if a Muslim reader feels that somebody is virtually abusing his Prophet (quoting sexually provocative and apocryphal hadith as historical truth) or scandalizing his wife or profaning the Qur'an like saying that it is full of pornography and that somebody has a Muslim name, and he is being supported by a group of such people like a band of like-minded demonizers of Islam, I assure you, he is bound to give up on your site. Not surprising the participation of Muslim commentators has reduced considerably over the recent years.
The following is extracted from my related article referenced below
"The universal notion of ‘Freedom of speech’ empowers the oppressed to speak against the oppressor, the subject against the King, the holder of one set of doctrine (sect, religion, politics etc.) to question or criticize its opponents and so forth. The objective is to open up human mind to new thoughts, allow it to explore fresh ideas, scan new horizons and rise to new heights. But if the freedom of speech is used in a calculated way to
insult other’s deities and ii) demonize a group of people, a website that has the rubric of Islam attached to it, must not entertain it as the Qur’an, which is the highest authority on all matters in Islam does not permit either of the above attitudes (6:108, 49:11).
Besides, if used to malign other’s faith or mock a rival group of people, it can open a floodgate of unhealthy discussions that will conduce to ill will among people, spawn evil and render this website into a vicious gossip forum. Let us take a few examples fresh in mind to illustrate this point, without meaning any offence to anybody.
Use and Misuse of Freedom of Expression on this Islamic website (New Age Islam) and need for a Clear Agenda
I appreciate, as an Ace journalist you want to give the stage to everyone regardless of what he says, but as stated in my above article, that can go beyond the spirit of 'Freedom of Speech.' Besides, a 'hate-filled speech may be returned by a hateful speech and stall any fruitful discussion in your forum and repel many good and brilliant people who do not want to read hateful materials.
The way things are developing in India, I think, my Foundation will have to
come up with another urgent project. As graveyards and namaze-janaza are
closing down for progressive, cultural Muslims who are not what is called
"practicing" Muslims, praying five times a day, acquiring a black
mark on their forehead by the time they reach the graveyard, an arrangement
will have to be made for separate graveyards for what are called in the
community dahriya musalmans.
Fear of Islam has been growing among Muslims who have opinions even
slightly varying from the madrasawala. The equation is a multitude of
unthinking, irrational, madrasawala versus one thinking,
rational Muslim. Will his rationality save him/her. It couldn't save
Masum Akhtar of West Bengal and Washiqur Rahman of Bangladesh. Of course, it
couldn't save American/Bangladeshi/Avijeet. Maybe Poor Avijeet had been writing
with a pseudonym of Secular-Democracy or Logic or hats off, he would be alive
today. And at such a time, Observer Saheb has outed his name and sent us his
pictures too. I had stopped asking him to do so and stopped using his name
along with Observer in my own comments too. After Avijeet's
assassination, it had become necessary to keep rationality under wraps.
What are my chances of survival? God, of course, is the final arbiter. But
on earth my two maulana interlocutors have told me that they consider me kafir
but not gabil-e-gardanzadni (worthy of the honour of beheading) yet, Why?
Because I am a kafir only by virtue of not calling Ahmadiyas kafir. That's all,
there is no specific charge against my conduct. But there is a warning, coming
from someone who was a friend 30 years ago. I don't know who he is but for
old time's sake, he will not get me killed, until, yes, there is a condition,
until, I confine my work to websites and books, magazines, etc. If I start
going out in the field, talking to Muslims, showing them what I consider the
right path, I would have crossed a red line and then I am on my own or on the
mercy of those who think they decide our fates on the ground, without
permission from God.
In some of the comments posted recently some of us Muslims have expressed our usual contempt for all other religions, indeed, all those who do not agree with us hundred per cent. None of us has gone through a madrasa education which directly or indirectly teaches us to stay away from kuffar, mushrikeen, munafiqeen. ghairmuwahhedeen, muawahhedeen, muqalledeen, ghairmuqalledeen, and of course, Shias, Sunnis of some schools like Wahhabi-Salafi, and of course, Ahmadi, etc. And yet, we too feel contempt for other religions. Contempt for others must run through our blood. Maybe an exchange of blood from and uneducated Hindu - educated are very confused - who bows down to every place of worship he happens to pass by, regardless of which religion or denomination it belongs to, might help. But we should not give him our blood.
I hope SecularLogic continues to provide us with a window to the world or one of the worlds, an essential world with which we have to live in constant touch.
I already miss hats off's incisive, hate-filled barbs, written in an impeccable British English, sometimes giving the taste of satire, sometimes humour, sometimes contempt, but always readable. I may have inadvertently caused his departure, but I had only asked him if he ever liked anything about Islam or Muslims; he could have ignored me, given a diplomatic reply, yes, but, although, so, etc. or given a blunt truthful reply: "No, I don't." Either way, he could have moved on.
In any case I do not like separations and divorces. Have just celebrated our 35th wedding anniversary.
I promise to not ask such uncomfortable questions, if hats off comes back.
How Interesting!Rabindranath Tagore's remark dated Sept. 1931 "We cannot afford in this heart-breaking time of crisis, to indulge in mutual recrimination" is so true today.Rafiq Sahab's remark, 'respect begets respect' is axiomatic.Secular Logic's assertion: "I strive to have nothing but the purest thoughts in my mind and pray for peace, tolerance and brotherhood of all mankind" mirrors the vision of Islam: "a universal brotherhood of humanity that will allow people of diverse faith, culture, color and language to live together, to know each other and to assist each other to make life easy and peaceful for all human beings."
[Ch. 9.7, Essential Message of Islam]
HIS SECULAR HOLINESS
Logic,” seems to have reached the end of what he calls, “Fruitful
Discussion.” Not sure, what he means by it, but with all
the circling around, what did the Muslims learn from this person? Zero Knowledge.
bad that a single word, “Unclean,” bothered the hell out of the person. Just
ignore the remarks. In fact, the person was truly describing his own character,
and as Muslims, we can say that, we are indeed honored to be insulted by a person
of his/her eminence, good breeding, impeccable manners, vast
intellect, unwavering secular values
,,,,,, blah, blah, blah, blah,
a person with good breeding in the Hindu culture, deliberately avoided to make
a sincere attempt, in acknowledging that, there are major social problems in India.
We all saw his vast intellect of repeatedly ignoring any reasonable
explanation. Of course, how can we forget his unwavering secular values, who intentionally
called out Muslims as, “the most biased, rabid,
brainwashed, churlish and irrational people on this planet.”
Logic,” will be right back on this forum to thrash another comment. He
cannot live without the so-called joy of provocation. This person was quick to
quote Rabindranath Tagore, but failed to appreciate the following:
SAKE OF BLEEDING HUMANITY
cannot afford in this heart-breaking time of crisis, to indulge in mutual
recrimination; but let us appeal to all God-fearing Mohammedans for the sake of
their own great religion and culture and for the sake of bleeding humanity, to
join hands with us in dealing with evil which may grow into a permanent source
of futility bringing upon our unfortunate country the disgust and derision of
the whole world.
Muslims” have already noticed the irrational behavior big time. Respect begets respect. That’s one of the main reasons, I,
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia,” lost respect for a person who literally turned out to
be nothing but an arrogant “Intellectual Bigot.” Yes, my comments were
harsh to which I have no regrets. If a person constantly barge in the Islamic Forum
to demoralize the Muslims, then any sensible Muslim must not act like a “Coward,”
and put up with the insults. One needs to be bold enough to speak out and
defend the religion of Islam.
in all, let’s wait for another grand episode to commence. Sit back and relax till
“Secular Logic,” comes right back to assault Islam, mock Qur’an and insult
Muslims again. That’s his life’s mission, and not to mention, he is blinded with the hatred
of Muslims, period.
Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam
are some of the quotes which will help enlighten all of my fellow Muslims about
a mysterious personality named “Secular Logic”:
being an atheist has nothing to do with whether I find your answer satisfactory
or ridiculous, because though I don't personally believe in
God, I empathise with people's need for belief in God. Some of the
people I love most dearly are believers. Hindu, of course.
secularlogic - 3/31/2015 10:18:47 AM
I do perform the rituals associated with idol worship. At that time, I strive to
have nothing but the purest thoughts in my mind and pray for peace, tolerance
and brotherhood of all mankind and say, if you exist, God, make the
earth worthy of being called your creation.
secularlogic - 3/30/2015 12:35:50 AM
I shall certainly worship all the idols that exist in the
whether you like it or not.
secularlogic - 3/28/2015 12:13:02 AM
I do not think it is a sin to worship idols or several
One may worship, one, many, or none so long as it brings him peace of mind and
does not trouble others.
secularlogic - 3/27/2015
sir, has to be earned.
I cannot force myself to respect anything. I do not place any religion to be
exempt from critical examination. Most religions, after a point,
require you to suspend disbelief, and believe in something because
some Prophet, some book tells you it is so. This does not appeal to me.
secularlogic - 3/26/2015 11:48:00 PM
I do love stone metal wood idols, because they are a part of my culture, many
of them are beautiful, and it is belief which endows them with godliness. Those
who don't believe that God pervades every atom in the universe will see the
idols as mere stones. Which is OK with me. The point is, if there is a
religion that has idol worship as a part of its belief system, secularism
demands that you respect it. Islam doesn't.
secularlogic - 3/26/2015 11:22:58 PM
what! Talking about “Insanity,” here is a classic example of how “Secular
Logic,” twist and turn using his “Unclean Heart.” That’s exactly where the problem
lies. Forget spirituality. Focus on insincerity on his/her part. Then he/she
confirms that, “some of the people I love most dearly are believers. Hindu,
of course.” Why not? Nothing wrong with having immense love for your own people. Though,
I did not read any comment on this particular forum that forced “Secular
Logic,” not to worship idols or to change his religion, or for the lack of better
word, “Secularism.” Hence, why is this person carrying nothing but a
personal vendetta against Islam and Qur’an?
so remarkable is that he/she is relentless to compel Muslims to abandon Holy
Qur’an. Ask yourself, why would a person who boast about, “I strive to have
nothing but the purest thoughts in my mind and pray for peace, tolerance and
brotherhood of all mankind,” smear the religion of Islam and continue to make
insulting remarks about Muslims? After all, “What does all
these quotes tells us about ‘Secular Logic’ own moral character?”
Your guess is as good as mine, ladies and gentlemen.
Sir, Your oft-repeated mantra that someone has not understood
Islam and as such, he or she is ignorant, is an insult to other's intelligence.
You gave the impression
that you are the only person on earth who has understood Islam. It is an
outright arrogance on your part and arrogant people live on earth with Allah's
Dear Secular,I love both believers and Hindus and all mankind. My (jt) exegetic work which is duly approved and authenticated and under posting at this website incorporates this statement:
"Pieced together, the foregoing verses and those in the last
two chapters bring across the Qur’anic vision of a universal brotherhood of
humanity that will allow people of diverse faith, culture, color and language
to live together, to know and
respect each other and assist each other, to make life easy and peaceful
for all human beings.
Some Muslim scholars, however, advocate that the
non-Muslims (in its present day sense), who do not believe in the Prophet
Muhammad, will not qualify for God’s mercy. They interpret the generic word islam (submitting/ orienting oneself to God, Ch.
7) in the verse 3:85 (underlined below), in its popular restrictive
sense as the religion of the followers of the Prophet Muhammad. This is
misleading as the preceding verses (3:83-84), demonstrate the generic
character of the word islam appearing
in 3:85. ....Ch. 9.7 Essential Message of Islam.We have to move forward and
Fear and Hate
drives “Secular Logic,” to continue to thrash any sensible explanations
which you submit to him/her attention. Isn’t it a complete insanity?
Bigot,” is working in any one of the journalistic bureaus. He/she
is way too smart. You should by now try to understand his pattern of
communicating. Nothing satisfies the person, until and unless, there is some sort
of confession to his/her will. His/Her task is to extract confession from Muslims.
In short, “Secular Logic,” is out to get any of the learned Muslims to
fall into his/her trap so that he/she can use it somewhere down the road.
May I humbly
ask, “How many times you will continue to respond to the person?” At the end of
the day, you will again be knocked off, all owing to the lack of confession, and
that also, the way which will only satisfy “Secular Logic.” What he/she is
literally trying to do is to confuse someone in a deceptive manner. In other words,
you as a “Moderate
Muslim,” must confess to all the crimes committed by
Terrorists.” That’s what he is after, and that’s the
exact reason why he/she continues to give a signal that we must do away with
our Holy Qur’an, as it is the root of all the evils in the world. That’s just
the bottom line.
Shahin Saheb has not been able to realize that “Secular Logic,” ultimate
motive for the past two years has been based upon his insincere actions using
his unclean heart. If he/she was sincere and pure in heart, then one could at
least read a comment here and there that give examples of good Muslims around
the world. He/She is extremely selectively in passing on such remarks so that the
readers would think continue to think that he/she is truly a genuine person and
passionately concerned about the welfare of Muslims at large.
problem is, New Age Islam forum’s “Commentary Section,” has to run by those who spit out
hatred of Islam and insult Muslims. Look at “Ex-Tablighi,” how he
engages in the debate and does his own sweet song and dance by insulting not
only Qur’an, but also the Prophet of Islam. Someone has to keep the comments
running. Sultan Saheb is powerless and cannot say “Enough of Insults.” He
cannot even draw a line of how the debate should be conducted. The constant
insults poured on the comment section of the forum, is all well and good
according to him. Therefore, I personally request you to continue to submit
good articles as you always do, but try to address to the “Respected Muslim Readers,” only.
The word to the wise is sufficient.
Dear Secular Logic,
Your asking me pointed question: "to
unequivocally say that those who worship idols and who practice polytheism
commit no sin?"
I am no one to make any such judgmental
All my comments are drawn on the Qur'an and
you must make your own interpretation - if indeed you read the comments
I never make any judgmental statement about
any category of people for the entire human race is the creation of God and
blessed with divine spirit.
No doubt the Qur'an regards any association
with God as the gravest sin, but it also declares:
"....the abode (of wrong doers) will
be hell - an evil refuge (4:97); except those among men, women and children,
who are helpless, have no means (for any guidance), and are not guided on (the
right) way (4:98). Those God may pardon, for God is Most Forgiving and
“Those who believe, and those who are Jews,
and Sabians and Christians and Magians, and those who associate (others with
God) (idol worshipers) - God will judge between them on the Day of Judgment.
Indeed, God is Witness to all things” (22:17).
Once again I will say, God and only God
knows who all will earn sin and who all are rightly guided.
I think I cannot add any further value to
our debate for we seem to be getting nowhere.
As a parting note, I quote the following
extracts from my articles drawn on the Qur'an. :
"The Qur’anic broader notion of Taqwa
(Moral Uprightness) and its association with the deeper impulses of all
humanity demolishes any distinction of people on religious ground. A Muslim
person (regardless of gender) most visibly given to religious symbolism or
devoted to religious rituals, may lag behind or even fail in Taqwa and
disqualify for divine rewards, while a non-Muslim person, probably even an
atheist, who has no lesser share of divine inspiration in his/her subconscious
soul, may excel in Taqwa and earn divine reward despite his lacking in
religious symbolism and visible or regimented devotion – though God knows best
who all will earn divine reward."
You have to make your own judgment by
reading the article for I cannot claim infallibility in interpreting the divine
speech and that is precisely the reason I say, God knows best - an expression
that will sound absurd to an atheist that you claim to be
Quran's Broader Notion of Taqwa – An Irrefutable Testimony to Its Universalism
This is to dispel the myth of Islamic
exclusiveness propagated by the foursome of its ignorant detractors - the Mullas,
the orthodoxy, the propagandist scholarship and the Islamopath intellectuals.
The work is inspired by the Poet Laureate
Muhammad Iqbal’s outburst: 'Phul Ki Patti Se Kat Sakta Hai Heere Ka Jigar -
Marde Nadan Par Kalame Narm O Nazuk Be Asar' [“The petal of flower may
pierce the heart of the diamond – but the Noble Words have no effect on the
It had been enlightening exchanging views
with you. Thank You.
Hello Yunus Saheb,
Subject: WHERE IS THE COMMON SENSE & HUMAN DECENCY?
I keep cautioning you that the “Grand Prosecutor,”
like “Secular Logic,” will never ever be convinced with any answer which
you and Naseer Ahmed Saheb give him/her pertaining to Islam and our Holy Qur’an.
I am not sure whether he is a man, woman or simply a plain old coward. No Muslim
readers know this person’s real identity. Think about it, if the person is a
he would be willing to answer some tough questions and not act like sissy.
It is obvious that this person is totally
and absolutely convinced that it is unwise to address the wrongdoings in his
own backyard. “Secular Logic,” full-time task is to poke his nose in the
New Age Islam forum and gleefully smear the religion of Islam and on top of it,
insult Muslims. You and Naseer Saheb on the other hand, go an extra-mile to try
to give answers, only to realize that he will shun it altogether. Why do we allow
ourselves to be humiliated? Are we the Muslims that unworthy?
It is time for wise Muslims like you and
Naseer Saheb to come to a forgone conclusion that “Secular Logic,” mission
is to “Demoralize Muslims” and nothing else. I am afraid Sultan Shahin Saheb
feels that is it all fair game. What is beyond my comprehension is, why would
an editor of the New Age Islam forum encourage such “One-Sided”
debates. Perhaps, he must be living under the false impression that,
we the Muslim readers, must continue to absorb more insults in order for us to
learn the civilized way.
In any case, I continue to wonder when will
Sultan Shahin Saheb wake-up? Apparently, he still believes that the Muslim
readers can learn a whole lot from “Secular Logic,” who has shown
nothing but contempt for Muslims. Where is the common sense and human decency?
Very sincerely yours,
that all Hindus believe the God is unseen and one lends credence to my
following article that had received some criticism:
Hindus Are Not ‘The Mushrikin’ Mentioned In the Qur’an
Talking about the
issue of spiritual 'impurity' believe in Oneness of God 'technically' renders
one spiritually 100% believer in God - that is spiritually pure. However, I dug
out my article on the theme referenced below which tables the following
conclusion based on arguments backed by the Qur'an and Reason that the Qur'an
asks us to use:
consideration of the foregoing Qur’anic illustrations, any suggestion to regard
polytheists and atheists and any other category of unbelievers post the
revelation era as spiritually unclean (Rijz) stands untenable. This demeaning
word was directed to the highly recalcitrant pagan Arabs of the Prophet’s era,
who, for more than 20 years at a stretch, violently resisted his mission to
establish Islam as an historical reality and are described as the enemies of
God as well as the Prophet (8:60). Islam became a historical reality as the
revelation came to a close and with this closed the history of its mission.
Hence, any community paralleling the Arab pagans of the Prophet’s with the
divine stigma of Rijz are no more to encountered, and if so God alone knows the
pure from the Rijz - it is not for the Muslim to claim moral purity (Zakah)
(53:32) by slapping this stigma on the ‘Mushrikin’ and atheists of their era.
This opens up the
question of allowing the Mushrikin and atheists to pay a visit to the Sacred
Mosque if they so desire, despite the incongruity of their religious thoughts/ intellect
with this ancient symbol of monotheism (9:17). This certainly needs deep
reflection. Notwithstanding the verse 9:28, literally barring the Mushrikin
from approaching the Sacred Mosque, the engineering, design, construction and
beautification of its superstructure may have received considerable inputs from
the atheists and Mushrikin. What sin may be there to allow these people to
visit the Sacred Mosque, which the Qur’an describes as a resort for all
humanity, a sanctuary (2:125)? God alone knows! This writer has attempted to
draw the best meaning of the Qur’an (39:18, 39:55) and if he has gone
overboard, for all its warnings in the Sura al Tawbah, God also promises to
turn in mercy to whom He wills for God is Most Forgiving and Most Merciful (9:227).
tabled on the strength of the Qur’an can also help in expanding the horizon of
Islamic thoughts to include the atheists and polytheist, dead or alive, in
their prayers despite the prohibition that a literal reading of the verse 9:80
imposes. This is urgently needed to enable the Muslims to play their role as
scripturally the most balanced community (2:143).
Are All The Mushrikin For All Times
“Spiritually Unclean” (Rijz) (Literal Reading Of The Verse 9:28 Of The Qur’an)?
As far as being clean/unclean is concerned, it has nothing to do with religion. I take the verse in its historical context as referring to a specific set of people with practices inside the Kaba that were considered unclean.
The same people are not banned from any other mosque except the “Sacred Mosque” because they did not practice anything in the other mosques.
Whether banning them was proper? Well the pagans had banned Muslims from worshiping in the Kaba before and severely persecuted those who did.
Respected Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam forum
a careful note of this statement of “Secular Logic,” as follows:
strive to have nothing but the purest thoughts in my mind and pray for peace,
tolerance and brotherhood of all mankind and say, if you exist, God, make the
earth worthy of being called your creation.”
Isn’t he/she the same person who made a disrespectful remark about Muslims being “the most biased, rabid, brainwashed, churlish and
irrational people on this planet.”
be one day, after sincere worshipping of idols, the person will finally realize
that there is such thing in life as, “the uncleanliness of the hearts.” This
applies to those who brags about tolerance and brotherhood on one hand, and
then with the same breath, spit out hatred straight from the unclean hearts
about his/her feelings towards fellow humans.
for Sultan Shahin, Editor of New Age Islam, to continue to respect the person
who has openly insulted Muslims at large. I once question, the “Journalistic
Integrity.” Now, I am afraid, the question will soon turn into “Moral
a blessed day.
predicted the response from “Secular Logic,” is explicitly clear. Your
continued “Faith,” in
advising all the Muslim leaders that one can learn a whole lot is now seriously
your firm belief in “Freedom of Expression,” but at times there has to be
an ending of a given debate. It is obvious that the question that bothers the
person will continue to haunt him/her, and the same old subject will be
discussed for many more years on this forum.
You just wait
till, “Ex-Tablighi,” comes charging with the same old subject matter
too. From one song and dance to another, it continues on and on and on. “Secular
Logic,” believes that Islam has insecular values, therefore, you are likely
to agree with him. That’s fine and dandy, too.
Trust me, for
the “Intellectual Bigots,” no answer, no matter how convincing will
never be satisfactory. Imagine how he avoids making the so-called “Secular”
statement, about the world’s most brutal system of oppression in India. Why
should he/she? A bias person has only one target. Islam and Qur’an. That’s all I
have noticed since October 2013, when I entered into New Age Islam forum. What
is truly amazing is that, you continue to believe that Muslims can learn so
much from such bigoted person.
that you will finally come to realize that with the latest response to Muhammad
Yunus Saheb and Naseer Ahmed Saheb, you should now try to explain it the best
way you know. “No
Political Correctness,” please.
Why are so few Hindu religious
leaders campaigning loudly against this demeaning and unhealthy job assigned to
the lowest castes?
Untouchability, manual scavenging and dry latrines may well be on
their way out. Perhaps prime minister Modi’s “clean India” campaign will help.
Change for India’s manual scavengers is painfully slow, however, and many
Dalits are still forced to clean the waste of their upper-caste “betters” with
few tools, compensation or protection.
Change would go much faster if prominent Hindu religious leaders were
willing to play a louder, and more active, role.
To end manual scavenging in India, Hindu religious
leaders must speak up
November 27, 2014
Link to the Article
THE WORLD’S MOST BRUTAL SYSTEMS OF OPPRESSION
“Women suffering from caste-based violence in one of the world’s most
brutal systems of oppression are asking for global solidarity in their
struggle,” said Rikke Nöhrlind, director at the International Solidarity
Network (IDSN). “The world that so strongly supported the fight against
apartheid must now tackle caste discrimination with the same commitment.”
UN Rights Council: End Caste-Based Rape, Violence – Link to the Article
June 17, 2015
ONE OF THE LOWEST LEVELS OF FEMALE LITERACY IN THE WORLD
Girls who survive pregnancy and are kept by their parents often suffer
mistreatment and neglect. Many are malnourished (India has the highest rates of
child malnutrition in the world – Unicef) and denied medical treatment; girls
are breast fed for a far shorter period than sons and feed less well “because
they fear good nourishment will speed the advent of puberty and the need for a
costly wedding. While boys are taken immediately to hospital, sick girls are
kept waiting because their families do not have the same interest in their
survival,” states Ranjana Kumari of the Council for Social Research. If limited
food is available it’s the girls who go hungry and suffer malnourishment, often
leading to anaemia and stunted growth – leading to maternal and infant deaths,
as well as low birth weight infants. Parents of girls are reluctant to send
them to school fearing, if the school is some distance from home and the
teachers are male, they may be sexually assaulted, so they are often kept at
home and forced to carry out domestic chores. This has led to India having, at
67% (compared to 82% of men) one of the lowest levels of female literacy in the
world. Lack of education directly affects the woman’s parenting skills and
leads to poor child-care. Malnutrition and high infant mortality is a
consequence as illiterate mothers fail to understand and exercise good
health-promoting behavior, such as immunization and good personal hygiene.
The Tragedy Of Being A Girl In India – Link to the Article
January 31, 2015
“‘Everyone acts according to what suits
him, but God knows best who is guided on the (right) path’” (17:84).
With all the most
valuable contributions coming forth from Muhammad Yunus Saheb and Naseer Ahmed
Saheb, I personally feel that the comments should be more or less tilted
towards uplifting the spirits of our fellow Muslims. To engage the Muslim minds
in the romantic past is not a wise course of action so to speak.
speaking, battles, count of those wounded and dead and that also, from the 7th
century will not help us resolve the modern day scourge of terrorism that has
plagued the entire world in the very name of Almighty Allah. Our learned men
know well that there is much to be desired to change the minds of Muslims. It
will certainly not help if the references of battles during the living days of
the Prophet of Islam are being continuously reminded to our fellow Muslims.
Maulana Wahiddudin Khan’s son, Dr. Saniyasnain Khan once gave me a copy of “The Qur’an,”
translated by T. B. Irving (Al-Hajj Ta’lim ‘Ali). He specifically mentioned to
me that T. B. Irving hailing from American has translated Qur’an in a unique
manner. Granted that many Muslims rely on Yusuf Ali’s and Marmaduke Pickthall’s
translations, but on Surah Al:Nasr ([Divine] Support) – Chapter: 110; it
is important to note that T. B. Irving was careful to plug in the word “Divine.” I
believe that it merely helps in defining Surah Al-Nasr in the light of God’s
the translation and commentary of Surah Al-Nasr by T. B. Irving is as follows:
“These three verses
were revealed at Mina on the eastern outskirts of Mecca during the Farewell
Pilgrimage, and they, as well as v.281 in The Cow 2 and v. 3 in The Table 5,
are dated after the chapter on Repentance 9. They might thus be considered to
date chronologically from the late Madinese period, even though the
geographical location is the vicinity of Mecca. These verses thus form the very
last chapters (along with Plenty 108, which likewise consists of three verses),
assures Muhammad that Islam will ultimately be successful. The word ‘support’
exists as both a noun and verb and is thus more effective in rendering such
meanings or situations, so I use it in preference to ‘victory’ (which I have
retained for the word fath as in Chapter 46).
In the name
of God, the Mercy-giving, the Merciful
as well as
victory, and you see
entering God’s religion in droves;
then hymn your
and beg Him
since He is
Wahiddudin Khan’s translation and commentary of Surah Al-Nasr is as follows:
help and victory come, and you see people entering God’s religion in multitudes,
then glorify your Lord with his praise and seek His forgiveness. He is always
ready to accept repentance.”
is one of the last revelations of the Qur’an received by the Prophet. The placed
of its revelation was either the precincts of Makkah at his Farewell Pilgrimage
in 10 AH, or Madina soon after his return from the Farewell Pilgrimage.
succour always accompanies dawah, the spreading of the call of truth. The
Prophet and his companions made untiring efforts in the path of dawah.
Ultimately, God’s succour came and people began embracing Islam in their
thousands. A number of neighbouring countries entered the fold of Islam.
However, the victory of believers makes them all the more humble and conscious
of their own failings. At such moments the faithful must be overwhelmed with
the realization of God’s Grace and Mercy. They must attribute all success to
the goodness and mercy of God.
For a believer,
victory increases his feeling of humility. Even for his apparently right action,
he seeks God’s pardon. Even the success he achieves, seemingly by his own
efforts, is attributed by him to the will of God.”
Note that the
emphasis is upon “God’s support/help.” Hymn your Lord’s praise translated
by T. B. Irving which in reality means appreciating the goodness and mercy of
God as explained by Maulana Wahiddudin Khan.
Khan’s assessment of remaining humble and conscious of one’s failings during
the period of victory and to continue to seek God’s forgiveness and/or pardon
at all times, “Innahu
Kaana Tawwaaba” is what devout Muslims should do. Today, we the
Muslims are facing humiliations from all front, therefore, our mutual
discussions as well as debates should be to encourage our fellow Muslims to act
with “Humility” with those who question the religion of Islam. Of
course, as pointed out, the fiercely dedicated “Intellectual Bigots,”
whose ultimate aim is to continue with their own crusade to distort the
translations of Qur’an must be confronted only by asking them tough questions which
they cannot answer. That’s the only way to unmask their “Insincere Actions,”
and expose their “Unclean Hearts.” .
All in all, we
must not dwell on negativity. Far worse is to suffer from inferiority complex
thinking that the Islam haters can help us in examining as to what went wrong
in the Islamic world. Such a flawed thinking will have to be permanently removed,
if we the Muslims are to restore the smeared image of Islam back to its
original form strictly based upon the moral teachings of our Holy Qur’an. The
need of the hour is to continue to the spread the “Truth,” by wholeheartedly
passing the correct translations of Holy Qur’an to those who are engaged in
The following article completely demolishes the statement made in the comment section in this thread that implied that all non-Muslims hate or at least dislike Islam. Of course, there are non-Muslims who hate or dislike or fear Islam. But a blanket statement cannot be made in view of the quotations Yunus Saheb has collected in this article:
Clearing Some Gross Misconceptions about Islam and Its Prophet
One may quote ten, a hundred, a thousand or a million writers saying just the opposite things about Islam and its Prophet, but the truth of history is understood far more accurately by the most learned and the most scholarly who spend all their life in pursuit of knowledge and pen down what they learnt in scholarly publications that receive world recognition and shine without fading like a beacon in the night-sky. The authors quoted above are all like beacons of night-sky and not flashes in the pans of history as those clinging to pre-conceived notions and dedicating their scholarship to establish what they want to establish, like the oxen of the traditional oil mill who remain in the same position even after taking a thousand rounds of their circular path or the proverbial ass of the Prophet Jesus, who remained an ass even after crossing the seven seas…..
The Radical Intelligentsia of Islam and Its Orthodox Ulema Are the ‘Hypocrites’ and ‘Nomadic Arabs Intense In Kufr’ Of This Era: They Are Its Twin Internal Enemies, and Must Be Resisted
Pursuit of Goodness”
First of all, I am delighted to hear that you are
heading towards Aligarh Muslim University to attend the conference, “Future
well that there are so many Islam haters that cling on to Surah: Al-Tawba to smear
the religion of Islam. One famous individual is none other than Robert Spencer,
whereas, you are aware of Satya D (Satyanarayana Dosapati), and to add to the
list of “Intellectual Bigots, is one mysterious “Secular Logic,”
a regular commentator on the New Age Islam forum with an outright hatred directed
towards Muslims. Worst of all, having views of Muslims as, “the most biased,
rabid, brainwashed, churlish and irrational people on this planet.”
precise grasping and summing up of Maulana Abul Kalaam Azad’s (May Almighty
Allah rest his soul in peace) commentary of Surah Al-Tawba – Verses: 20 – 28 is
absolutely correct. In fact, my focus also went towards the lessons of “THE PURSUIT OF
GOODNESS,” wherein Maulana Saheb raises a very important
question: “Are we prepared to scrutinize our lives in the light of this verse
(Verse: 24) of the Quran?”
am merely an ordinary Muslim with little knowledge of the Holy Qur’an and
definitely not a student of Hadith, I can pretty much sum up Maulana Azad’s comments
in the following points:
Point No: 1 – Goodness lies only in the
purity of belief in God and sincerity in action. That is the very reason
why the three words, “Idolators Are Unclean,” are not understood. If there
is no sincere belief in what any religion prescribes, that is, sincerity in
action, then one can conclude that the hearts of certain followers of that
particular religion are not clean. One should then ask: “Why is there such
an immense hatred towards Islam without pondering over the faults which lies in
their own understanding of their respective religions which people believe in
Point No: 2 – “To revive in the Muslims
the spirit of sincere attachment of their faith,” is another key lesson
from Surah: Al-Tawba. Such a spirit of faithfulness towards the moral teachings
of the Qur’an is sorely missing in these days and times. With strong emphasis
on not displaying an act of “Indifference,” and at the same time, to
adhere towards speaking only the “Truth,” to such an extent that Muslims
should not even take their fathers and brothers as their friends, if they
violate the commandments of Almighty Allah, is what sincerity and faithfulness
is all about.
Point No: 3 – “The Qur’an gives the
tiding to such “Devotees
of Truth” that whatever they might lose in the struggle would be
repaid to them when truth shall triumph and bring peace and prosperity to one
and all.” That is the very essence of Surah Al-Tawba, which in English
language means “The
Repentance.” One cannot be truthful with hearts being
unclean owing mainly to humans insincere actions. What we the Muslims are now
facing are those who are an addicted “Devotees of Lies.” Many are engaged in
propagating false translations of the Qur’an without making a sincere attempt
to understand the entire context of why, how and when a given verse was
revealed to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him).
Point No: 4 – “They who believed in God
and abandoned their homes for the sake of God and striven with their
possessions and their persons in the way of God, shall rank high in the
estimation of God. These are they who shall attain success (in life).” This
particular verse (Verse: 20) calls upon the followers of Islam to never let go
“Sincerity” and “Truth” in all of their worldly dealings.
Sincerity towards their belief in the commandments of Almighty Allah, and above
all, to sacrifice in His way by speaking the “Truth,” even if it calls
for abandoning homes and parting relationships with fathers, brothers, and
Point No: 5 – “And it is not in the
manner of God to guide the impious.” The word impious means not showing
respect or reverence towards Almighty Allah, or a person whose act is wicked.
Surah: Al-Tawba – Verse: 24, as outlined by Maulana Azad clearly highlights on
rising far above every form of worldly attachments in order to whole-heartedly
serve the cause of “Truth.” The spirit of this Qur’anic verse is to warn
the Muslims not to fall into the category of “The Wicked.” Today, we the
Muslims have drifted far away from the moral teachings of the Holy Qur’an. Our family,
our wealth, our dwellings are more so fond and dearer, than to take our precious
time to defend the religion of Islam.
Point No: 6 – The spirit of steadfastness
and self-assurance is invoked in Verse: 26. Modern day Muslims attitude is to
adopt “Aloofness,” and religiously practice “Self-Righteousness.”
Little wonder that many of our fellow Muslims are indulged in their own “Self-Serving”
interests, having no desire to stand tall and speak out against the evildoers
in our midst. We are not even courageous enough to be upfront and truthful in
debating with those who are busy maligning the great religion of Islam. For
many Muslims, such an act of sacrificing their personal time is not worthy, owing
mainly to their holding to the false belief based upon the Hadiths, which outlines
the coming of 72 Signs, 72 Sects and 72 Virgins. Forget “The
Repentance.” In short, they have resigned to this man-made “Doom &
Gloom” scenario of the world, and are a least bit interested to read
the warning signs in the Holy Qur’an.
Point No: 7 – “It is the strength of will
and the determination,” which Maulana Azad refers is what ultimately
counts. Unfortunately, the majority of Muslims do not possess the will power to
confront the Islam haters, nor are they determined to understand the meaning of
Qur’anic verses. The truth of the matter is that countless millions of Muslims
in the Indian subcontinent believe that the “Science of Hadiths” must
first be referred to instead of the Holy Qur’an. In short, that’s the tragedy of
the Muslim minds and there is nothing much we can do to change the long held “Status Quo
what we have in our midst is are “Timid” group of Muslims and not to mention
“Hypocrites.” I am truly afraid that it is too late to change the deadly
mindset of Muslims hailing from the Indian Subcontinent. Surah Al-Tawba is
indeed “A Great Eye-Opener” to those who are mindful of the commandments
of Almighty Allah as proclaimed in the Holy Quran. In any way, to end this
response to you, kindly allow me to quote another Qur’anic verse as follows:
Muslims! For the sake of God, stand up to uphold justice and let not ill-will towards
any people impel you to deviate from justice. Act justly. This indeed is akin
to piety. Be mindful of God; for assuredly He knoweth all that you do.”
Al-Ma’ida (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse 8
safe trip to Aligarh Muslim University. I wish you all the best in your “Sincere
Actions” to defend the religion of Islam, Mike. May Almighty Allah bless you
and your beloved family members.
Sent: Sunday, March 29, 2015 5:16 AM
To: Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia; email@example.com
Subject: Re: SURAH: AL-TAWBAH ( THE REPENTANCE) – CHAPTER: 9 – VERSES:
This week I am heading to Aligarh Muslim University for a two day conference
about Future of Islam. Links are provided below. Meanwhile, thanks for sharing
this enlightening tafseer by Maulana Azad.
The clarity of Maulana Abul
Kalam Azad's tafseer is incredible. Those of you who may not now the
Maulana – he was born and raised in Madinah and moved back to India – his ancestral
land. He was a nationalist leader for all of Indians, the Hindu Majority and
all minorities, and was the first education minister of independent India and
laid the foundation for the educational institutions like IIT’s that rival
MIT’s. I believe Muhammad Yunus, a
member and a Muslim scholar listed in the emails is a member of IIT.
Maulana was a pluralist, and an inclusivist, as is Islam – the
phrases like Rabbul Aalameen, Rahmatul Aalameen should lead us to become
Mukhlooqul Aalameen. We need to consciously pull us out of the path of
political Islam of self-interest and restore it to Islam for common good. It is in the same line of
thinking, I believe the purpose of Islam is to build cohesive societies where
no human has to live in fear of the other but God (deviation from truth). Islam
is about restoring harmonious, peaceful and a well functioning cohesive
world, God had created.
Some of the statements that jumped at me are:
“It states that they rank the highest who have sacrificed
everything in the path of truth and endure steadfastly the trials and
tribulations that befell them on the way of truth. That is the criterion of
goodness.” – and I will add to this from Sura Hujurat “the best ones among you
are those who learn about each other – for knowledge leads to understanding and
understanding to acceptance of another point of view.
In Hindu scriptures there is a powerful phrase “Satyamev
Jayate - Truth alone triumphs” and Mahatma Gandhi popularized it, and now it is
the national symbol of India... The Maulana has clearly distinguished the
purpose of war was not victory or the conquest but bringing forth sustainable
peace for “all”.
He pulled out the essence of the Sura – that is the truth
alone triumphs and gives examples, “It therefore behooved the followers of the
faith that they should have nothing to do with even their parents and brothers
if they belonged to the enemy camp.” And elsewhere in Quran It lays down that
you have to tell the truth even it goes against you or your interests. Indeed,
there is no 5th in Islam; truth is given the highest value.
I am presenting the following papers at
Aligarh Muslim University:
Mike Ghouse, committed to cohesive
as being clean/unclean is concerned, it has nothing to do with religion. I take
the verse in its historical context as referring to a specific set of people
with practices inside the Kaba that were considered unclean.
people are not banned from any other mosque except the “Sacred Mosque” because
they did not practice anything in the other mosques.
banning them was proper? Well the pagans had banned Muslims from worshiping in the
Kaba before and severely persecuted those who did.
The number of references to idol worship is
not many in the Quran. Except for one stand-alone verse, every other reference
to idol worship is only when the subject is specifically idols, such as the
idols in the house of Ibrahim's (pbuh) father.
There isn't a single verse in the Quran that speaks
about idols in Kaba or the Meccan pagans as idol worshippers. That there were
360 idols in kaba and the Meccans were idol worshippers is what we learn from
the secondary sources and not from the Quran. In one of the verses, idols can
be inferred but not mentioned directly.
of the Hindus today are openly polytheistic but not all of them. They range
from the monotheist to the monist, the pantheist, the agnostic to the atheist.
Many are idolaters without being polytheists. To club all of them under the
category of idolater smacks of extreme ignorance and prejudice especially when
the Quran does not even refer to the Meccan pagans as an idolater even in a
single verse. Why Muslims are so keen to mistranslate God’s word which is
mushrikin meaning polytheists as idolater? Are the Jews not severely
reprimanded in the Quran for something similar? However, translations of the
Quran both in English and Urdu mistranslate mushrik as idolater. This
mistranslation itself is a result of a narrow communal mind-set. When the Quran itself plays down idol worship, why do Muslims play it up?
The result is that the "ghazis" destroyed idols and thought that they were destroying false beliefs and the Taliban destroyed the Bamyan statues and thought that they were destroying falsehood when all that they succeeded in destroying was the credibility of their own religion.
The removal of idols from Kaba was not done by any outsider but by the very people to whom those idols belonged. The Prophet (pbuh) did not set any bad precedent and those who attribute what they do to the Prophet are the blasphemers.
The reference to idols and idol worhip in the
1. In connection with Ibrahim (pbuh) and the
idols in his father’s house (5 references) and in a prayer of Ibrahim 14:35
"O my Lord! make this city one of peace and security: and preserve me and
my sons from worshipping idols”.
2. The story of Moses and Bani Israel (7:138)
We took the Children of Israel (with safety) across the sea. They came upon a
people devoted entirely to some idols they had. They said: "O Moses!
fashion for us a god like unto the gods they have." He said: "Surely
ye are a people without knowledge.
3. Suarh 20 Ta Ha. Bani Israel making a
golden cow and worshipping it in the absence of Moses under the influence of
4. And a solitary stand-alone reference
(22:30) Such (is the Pilgrimage): whoever honours the sacred rites of Allah,
for him it is good in the Sight of his Lord. Lawful to you (for food in
Pilgrimage) are cattle, except those mentioned to you (as exception): but shun
the abomination of idols, and shun the word that is false,-
Invite (all) to the way of your
Lord with wisdom and pleasant counseling, and debate with them in the
best manner. Indeed God knows best who is straying from His path, and He knows
best the (rightly) guided” (16:125).
Good Morning Sultan Shahin Saheb,
As a respected and honorable Muslim, along with being a
founder and editor of New Age Islam forum, you have eloquently spoken at
the United Nations Human Rights Council.
Needless to say that you have always tried your very best to
expose the grave concern about the current state of affairs in the Islamic
world, but for whatever reason, you are not comparing certain human rights violation
in India by ways of referring to the Qur’anic message of “Universal
Brotherhood Of Human Beings.”
One notorious commentator known as “Secular Logic,”
has remained adamant in extracting the answer to “Idolators Are Unclean.” This
same person has now challenged as follows:
“Why do I repeatedly ask you to explain to me what Islam
means when it says "Idolators are unclean". So long
as that verse exists, and so long as no Muslim comes out and says it is a
statement that unfairly humiliates people of other faiths, and that you will
work to expunge it from the Quran, this question will be repeated again and
again. Not just from me, but from others as well.”
Believe it or not! No explanation will suffice. It is quite
obvious that “Secular Logic,” in his/her obsession, somehow feels that
one small reference out of 114 chapters of Holy Qur’an does nothing but
humiliates people of other faiths. Not only this, he will continue to repeat it
over and over and over again till his last breathe on this Planet Earth. The
person has undoubtedly displayed a personal vendetta against Muslims and Islam.
Never mind any explanation given. This person is hell-bent
on making Muslims to expunge the verse completely from the Qur’an. The million
dollar question is, “Why is the person who claims not to believe in God, be so
frantic about the three words, “Idolators Are Unclean”? Something is not
right with his/her mental state of mind. Why on earth will the person provoke Muslim
readers as follows:
“For the sake of my own sanity, I avoid coming to this site
and reading the views of the most biased, rabid, brainwashed, churlish and
irrational people on this planet.”
“Yet, because these outpourings fall in the
"horror" genre, they seem to hold some morbid fascination for me that
I keep coming here to get outraged.”
Sultan Saheb, as an editor of New Age Islam, you
should now take over and at least be brave enough to act as a “Moderator.”
I know that you have been reluctant to take a stand owing to being rather
cautious and polite. I say, it is appropriate time for you to start speaking up
for the religion Islam. Mind you that there is nothing to learn from the person
who has harshly criticized all of New Age Islam’s Muslim readers as, “most
biased, rabid, brainwashed, churlish and irrational people on this planet.”
How long as an editor will you tolerate despicable insults coming from a person
who totally disrespects the religion of Islam?
Why isn’t “Secular Logic,” outraged on reading about the
female infanticide and
foeticide which are widespread in India? Gang rapes are common as we all know.
A crime against women is committed every three minutes with rapes occurring
every 29 minutes. One woman dies every hour because of disputes over dowry
payments given by the bride's family to the groom or his family at the time of
marriage. Let alone, the saga of “Ram Teri Ganga Maili,” or in other words, the recent headlines news about the massive pollution in the
All in all, I
have painstakingly typed Maulana Abul Kalam Azad’s commentary of Surah:
Al-Tawba – Verse: 28. It will certainly be a “Morally Upright,”
act on your part to engage with “Secular Logic,” in a healthy debate which
should also include highlighting about the violation of “Human Rights in India.” It’s
about time to show the person a big mirror in order for him/her to realize that
the title “Intellectual Bigot,” fits the bill perfectly well. Henceforth,
please do the needful and oblige.
SURAH: AL-TAWBA ( THE
REPENTANCE) – CHAPTER: 9 – VERSES: 20-28
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad –
al-Qur’an – Year: 1968
of superiority of one over another in the sight of God is indicated in verse 20.
It states that they rank the highest who have sacrificed everything in the path
of truth and endure steadfastly the trials and tribulations that befell them on
the way of truth. That is the criterion of goodness. It is a lesson for the
present day Muslims who have developed an outlook on life and follow a way of living
so alien to the teachings of Islam. Even like the pagan Arabs of the Prophet’s time,
they prefer the traditional way as against the way of life laid down for them
by Islam. Whenever a rich man living a thoroughly un-Islamic life provides
booths (sabil) of cool drinks during
the days of Muharram and arranges the celebration of the Prophet’s Day (mawlud) on a lavish scale or pays for
lightning a mosque or a dargah on a
particular day, the entire Muslim community exultingly applauds him, and no one
cares to know whether what he did was for the sake of God. One should remember
that such deeds do not constitute righteousness in the sight of God. Goodness
lies only in the purity of belief in God and sincerity in action and steadfast
endurance of trials in the way of God. That is the criterion of goodness
sponsored by the Qur’an.
It has been
pointed out above that this chapter was revealed in the ninth year of Hijra and
that the earlier verses of it were publicly announced during the period of Hajj
that year. This was the time when Mecca had already been conquered and strength
of the enemies put down for ever on the field of Hunain. For the expedition to
Tabuk as many as thirty thousand Muslims, had assembled, so much so that there
remained no party in the Arabian peninsula to challenge the supremacy of the
followers of the Prophet. Still there lurked in the situation a few weaknesses.
Point A: A large number of Meccans who had
opposed the Prophet but had been pardoned by him at the time of his victorious
entry into Mecca had joined the Muslim fold. Being new converts to Islam, they
could not fit into its way of life quickly. So when war was declared on those
who were still opposed to the Prophet in the country and were giving no rest to
its followers, a number of new Meccan converts began to feel concerned about
their relations who were in the enemy camps. In fact, they could not rise above
their sense of kinship with them or their tribal prejudices, and so formed but
a weak wing of the Muslim camp.
Point B: There were also in the Muslim camp
quite a number of hypocrites and timid people. They raised the cry that now
that much had been gained for the Muslims, there was no longer any need for
them to engage themselves in further warfare.
Point C: The victories which the Muslims had
won on the battlefield had developed in them a general sense of indifference to
any possible danger lying ahead of them. The majority of them thought that now
that the Arab land had nearly yielded to the call of Truth and that there was left
no strength among those who had not yet chosen to yield to the call, there was
no imperative need to be on the alert. They hardly could realize at the moment
the height of power and influence that destiny had marked them to reach. This
development in the situation was clearly a source of danger to the security of
the Muslims not only at this hour but in the days to follow as well.
therefore was felt to revive in the Muslims the spirit of sincere attachment to
their faith and bring home to them once again the high purpose for which they
were to live and work as earnestly as ever before. They were to be told that
the period of trials was not yet over and that on the other hand it was just to
begin. Of the task lying ahead of them, what was of primary importance at the
moment was the liquidating of whatever opposition that there still was to the
mission of the Prophet and to establish perfect peace and order in the land.
It is why
verse 16 calls upon the Muslims to reflect over the situation and realize, that
that was not the hour when they should relax their efforts to reach their goal.
It states that the faith which they professed had yet to be tested in full. So
in the succeeding verses after drawing attention to the character that should
distinguish the Muslims, a significant observation is made in verse 23 that the
sense of sincere attachment to one’s faith and the sense of loyalty to those
who were opposed to the faith could not subsist together or felt simultaneously
in one’s mind. It therefore behooved the followers of the faith
that they should have nothing to do with even their parents and brothers if
they belonged to the enemy camp.
Verse 24 is
emphatic in asserting that in a conflict between faith and denial of faith, he
alone will be regarded as a man of faith or faithful whom nothing in the world,
and even one’s love for those near and dear to him, should weaken his attachment
or devotion to his faith. It is on this basis that the edifice of a civilized
society can be raised. It refers to all the essential ties which one has necessarily
to respect in life. But the principle of devotion to an ideology such as that which
function for the security and welfare of a society as a whole, demands from
everyone professing faith in his ideology that he should rise far above every other
form of attachment and let nothing detract him from serving whole-heartedly the
cause of truth which that ideology upholds.
The Qur’an also
draws particular attention to the attachment one feels to one’s worldly comfort
in life and so might like one’s country not to involve itself in any war. For
instance, one might be gaining wealth by pursuing the avocation of commerce. In
a state of war, opportunities for commerce may be lessened. That is a fear
which is bound to stare in the face of every one living on commerce. Further,
in a state of war one stands the risk of losing one’s possessions. The thought
of the risk will naturally disturb one immensely. Before such as these who are
moved by considerations of this nature, the Qur’an places an abiding truth of
life and asks them seriously to reflect over it. The truth is this. When a people
are called upon by the force of circumstances to defend the cause of truth and
uphold it for the good of men, it should behoove everyone who sincerely
believes in the truth to be prepared to sacrifice everything dear to him, so
that truth might prevail and bring happiness to one and all. The Qur’an gives the tiding to such devotees
of truth that whatever they might lose in the struggle would be repaid to them
manifold when truth shall triumph and bring peace and prosperity to one and
all. “Indeed with God lies the great reward,” says the Qur’an.
recorded for all times the glorious manner in which the companion of the
Prophet stood the test of devotion to their faith in God. It may be asserted
without exaggeration that there are few parallels in the annals of man to the
devoted support that they offered to the Prophet in his struggle in the cause
of truth. They sacrificed all that they had for the love of God, with the
result that they reaped in return what the pursuit of goodness always offers
for the benefit of man.
But what is
our position today? Are we prepared to scrutinize our lives in the light of
this verse of the Qur’an.
refers to the battle of Hunain in eight year of the Hijra, when soon after the
conquest of Mecca, the tribes of Hawazin and Thaqif in co-operation with the
tribes of Bani Nadir and Bani Hilal attacked the Muslims. The Prophet issued
forth from Mecca into the valley of Hunain. In this engagement, the Muslims
were thrice in number. Naturally, therefore, they felt confident of success.
But when the hour of trial arrived, their superiority in numbers could not avail.
It was only a handful of staunch adherents of the Prophet, who, inspired by the
example of their leader, saved the situation and won the victory for the
force had to proceed through a narrow pass. The enemy force lay in ambush awaiting
the Muslims to enter this pass. They knew that among the Muslims nearly as many
as two thousand were new converts from Mecca. A good many of these were allies
of the enemy. The moment the Muslims moved into the narrow defile, the enemy
force showered arrows over them from their bows. It was a sudden attack. A
large section of the Muslim army took to their heels in a state of alarm. The
situation seemed clearly to go against the Muslims. It was at this juncture
that the Prophet ask, ‘Abbas, his uncle, to cry out to his old comrades of
Samra who had sworn allegiance to him at the time of the treaty of Hudaibiya to
steady themselves. The cry inspired a new courage in the hearts of the staunch
among them who forthwith returned to the Prophet and gave so stiff a fight to
the enemy that they had to suffer a defeat at the hands of the Muslims.
was a great eye-opener for the followers of the Faith. It brought home to them
that mere numbers do not bring victory. The strength of numbers does contribute
to success in warfare. But success does not always depend upon numbers. It is
the strength of will and the determination not to yield which ultimately count
and help even a small band of determined fighters to rout a force many times
strong in numbers. The Qur’an addressing the Muslims points out that there were
occasions in the past when though they were few in numbers they had achieved
victory over the enemy. But that now at this hour in Hunain when they prided
themselves over the largeness of their numbers, mere numbers did not avail.
That was a matter for them to reflect over.
In verse 28 the Quran reverts to the order issued in an
earlier verse of this chapter prohibiting the polytheists to enter the Ka’ba
any further. That House of Prayer had been raised
by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ismail for the worship of God, the One, and
was meant to serve as a center of
spiritual activity for those who believed in the unity of God.
In this verse the reference to the uncleanliness of the
polytheists is not to their physical condition but to
the uncleanliness of their hearts. Islam does not regard the person or the body of anyone as unclean. Every man
as man stands on the same footing as
every other human being. It is why it has prohibited
untouchability and does not single out any
section of humanity as untouchable. In fact, it is clear
from the recorded history of the Prophet that the
Prophet maintained social relationships with not only the People of the Book, the Jews, but with
the polytheists of his time. He used to dine with them and accept their invitations and also offer
invitations to them. History has recorded that he at times had allowed them to
stay in his own mosque at Madina.
The verse under reference has a limited application. It
applies to the seat of Ka’ba along and not to any other Muslim place of worship.
In fact, after the issuing of this order, the Prophet had allowed the
Christians of Yemen, and the polytheists from Ta’if to stay in his mosque.
Surah: 20 – They who
have believed in God and abandoned their homes for the sake of God and striven with
their possessions and their persons in the way of God, shall rank high in the
estimation of God. These are they who shall attain success (in life).
Surah: 21 – Tidings of
mercy doth their Lord send them and of His good pleasure and also of gardens in
which lasting joy shall be theirs.
Surah: 22 – Therein shall
they abide for ever. Surely (for such people) there is a great reward from their
Surah: 23 – O Muslims!
Do not take your fathers or brothers for friends if they prefer unbelief to
belief; and whoso of you shall take them for friends they shall be regarded as
those who have been unjust to themselves.
Surah: 24 – Say (to
the Muslims, O Prophet!): If your fathers and your sons and your brothers and
your wives, and your kith and kin and the wealth that you have acquired and the
merchandise which ye fear may not have a proper sale, and the dwellings of
which you are very don, be dearer to you than God and His Apostle and striving
in the way of God, then, wait until God disclose what He wills to do. And it is
not in the manner
of God to guide the impious.
Surah: 25 – (O Muslims!) This is a fact
that God had helped you on many a previous occasion (when you were few in
number) and on the day of Hunain, when despite the strength over which you had
exulted availed you not, and the earth with all its vastness had straitened on
your and you to turn back in fight.
Surah: 26 – It was
then, God infused into the Prophet and those faithful (to him) the spirit of
steadiness and self-assurance and succoured them with unseen hosts and defeated
the unbelievers, and that is what the unbelievers deserved.
Surah: 27 – Yet after this, God will turn in
mercy towards whomsoever He pleaseth; for indeed God is Forgiving, Merciful.
Surah: 28 – O ye Muslims! Surely those who
ascribe partners to God are an unclean lot. Let them not after this year
approach the Holy Place of Prayer, and if (due to lack of opportunity to profit
by trading with them at the time of Hajj) you apprehend poverty, (then, do not
lose heart for), God, if He please, will soon give you riches out of His
abundance. Verily, God knows (your needs) and He will in His Wisdom compensate
you for your loss.
READ, SECULAR LOGIC,
India stands shamed on the world's stage after the airing of the documentary
'India's Daughter', about the infamous Dehli bus rape, exposed shocking levels
of misogyny. Female infanticide and foeticide are widespread.
Around 100 million women and girls are estimated to be victims of human
trafficking and 44.5% of girls are married under the age of 18. Gang rapes are commonplace and often caste based with the result that
many incidents are unreported or are simply ignored by the police.
produced by India's National Crime Records Bureau (NCRB) reveal that a crime against women is committed every three minutes with rapes
occurring every 29 minutes. Nearly one in three of the victims are
under 18 and in rural areas this can lead to them being shunned by society,
even by their families. This does not include the crime known as "Eve Teasing",
a euphemism for the public harassment described by Indian feminists as
is "dowry crime". One woman dies every hour
because of disputes over dowry payments given by the bride's family to the
groom or his family at the time of marriage. Last year alone 8,233
women were killed across India and there is no sign of the problem easing.
Women's rights and
global wrongs – Link to the Article
March 8, 2015
Commentary by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad is as follows:
“In verse 28 the Quran reverts to the order issued in an earlier verse of this chapter prohibiting the polytheists to enter the Ka’ba any further. That House of Prayer had been raised by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ismail for the worship of God, the One, and was meant to serve as a center of spiritual activity for those who believed in the unity of God.”
“In this verse the reference to the uncleanliness of the polytheists is not to their physical condition but to the uncleanliness of their hearts. Islam does not regard the person or the body of anyone as unclean. Every man as man stands on the same footing as every other human being. It is why it has prohibited untouchability and does not single out any section of humanity as untouchable. In fact, it is clear from the recorded history of the Prophet that the Prophet maintained social relationships with not only the People of the Book, the Jews, but with the polytheists of his time. He used to dine with them and accept their invitations and also offer invitations to them. History has recorded that he at times had allowed them to stay in his own mosque at Madina.”
The internal volatility
apart, Islam had formidable external foes:
The desert Arabs who had resisted
the Prophet for well over two decades and had seen their number shrink, their
strength wane and the Prophet advance in his mission against all odds, steadily
The hypocrites of Medina, who
actively conspired against the Prophet, and even planned to expel him and his
followers from Medina.
neighboring Christian Byzantine (Eastern Roman Empire) that was conceivably
threatened by the newly unified Arab power that combined its military skills as
fearless tribal warriors with courage, determination and new found religious
In the divine scheme,
the Prophet had only two years left, and unless the hostile pagans and the
hypocrites were integrated and the Byzantine threat diffused, Islam risked
extinction soon after the Prophet’s death. The Qur’an thus had to achieve the
unachievable in just about two years.
The Qur’an, therefore
issues a grave warning to the hostile pagan tribes who were repeatedly breaking
treaty terms that unless they gave up hostilities and entered the fold of
Islam, they could be put to death (9:5). It declares them as spiritually impure
(najis) and forbids their entry into
the Inviolable House of worship (Kaba) reserving it for only pure worship (of
God without any association with idols) (9:28). It commands the Muslims to
fight those of the pagans (kuffar)
who were around them (in a manner) that they find how firm (ghilza) they (the
Muslims) could be (9:123). It also commands the Prophet to be firm (waghluz) against the pagans (kuffar) and the hypocrites (9:73). It
warns the believers that there were hypocrites all around them and among the
people in Medina, who had grown bold in hypocrisy (9:101) and repeats the
aspersions it earlier cast on them. Thus, it curses
them (9:68), calls them liars (9:42, 9:107) and deviants (fasiqun) (9:96, 9:67). It charges some of the believing nomadic
Arabs to being intense in kufr and
hypocrisy (9:97) and forbids the Prophet to pray over any of them who
had died, nor to stand by his grave (9:84). As the Prophet may still have
prayed for all his followers, including the hypocrites, the revelation warns
him that even if he sought forgiveness for them seventy times, God will never
forgive them (9:80). Finally, it warns the hypocrites that……
peaceful integration of Mecca was followed by a siege of Taif, a nearby
settlement (630), the battle of Hunayn (630) and a march to the fringes of the
Byzantine Empire. The ninth Sura that is generously quoted above was reveled
just before and during this expedition. The Prophet halted at a place called
Tabuk, some three hundred miles off Medina, made peace treaties (covenants)
with regional Christian and Jewish tribes and returned to his base town. His
very presence close to the borders of the mighty Byzantine Empire and the
shyness of its Emperor, Heraclius to send down his royal army to challenge
Muhammad, was enough to crown Islam as a regional power and a global power to
be and thus a historical reality.
The critics may argue
that this was not a peaceful way of gaining converts. From the angle of Islam
as an institution, if the hostile pagans and hypocrites were tolerated, and
Heraclius was not challenged, they would have finished it off soon after the
death of its Messenger which was soon to happen. The Arabs would then have
reverted to their state of Jahilliyah and the world would have remained in the
recesses of the dark ages for long. The civilizational cost and demographic
impact of such a historical implosion to humanity could be colossal and
probably too grievous to reckon. Thus, to save humanity from a disastrous
atavism and a demographic disaster as the New Continents witnessed, the Qur’an had
to take a firm stand against its inveterate enemies at the fag end of its
mission, which was thus politically and morally justified.
To: Respected Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam
Lo and behold! A person who has always claimed not to believe in any
religion is finally going to take a break “In Honor of Lord Rama.”
That’s indeed delightful news.
“Ramnavami is one of the most important festivals of the
Hindus, particularly the Vaishnava sect of the Hindus. On this auspicious
day, devotees repeat the name of Rama with every breath and vow to lead a
righteous life. People pray to attain the final beatitude of life through
intense devotion towards Rama and invoke him for his blessings and protection.”
Leading a “Righteous Life,” should also translate into respecting
other peoples’ religion also. It should also enlighten the followers of Lord
Rama to help do away with the tremendous human sufferings owing to the “Caste System.”
Equality towards all humans is what Holy Quran taught
Muslims. We, the Muslims, should pray for person like “Secular Logic,”
to be fully blessed after performing the necessary rituals on an auspicious day
raised is, “Who are those who gone astray?” Those humans who vehemently
violates the “Commandments
of God,” and inflict sufferings upon their fellow
humans are the ones who have gone astray.
Logic,” should be more so focused on addressing the “Caste System,”
which has caused a lot of misery in his own backyard. Here’s one comment worth
“This is all
looked upon as so deep, "spiritual", inspirational and sacrosanct. In
reality, India is a very VERY sick demented society -
same as the rest of the world - and, in MANY aspects, FAR worse.
you want your 9 year old son or daughter in rags, eating scraps, sleeping on a
dirt floor, being diddled by their "betters", drinking filthy water
and working 12+ hours a day 6 days a week for next to nothing?
Well, WOULD YOU!?
to India's disgusting and extremely CORRUPT ..."CASTE SYSTEM"!!
'priests' are at the top of the pyramid and the "untouchable"
POOR at the bottom.
makes more astoundingly ludicrous claims about it's wonderful "democratic
SLAVERY!! SLAVERY BACKED
BY THE ENTIRE SOCIETY!!”
that on an auspicious day of Ram Navmi, “Secular Logic,” will at
least reflect upon extremely disgusting and corrupt “Caste System” of India.
Hopefully, one day, he/she will be able
to come up with a revolutionary formula to eradicate the evil and stop being so
obsessed with the great religion of Islam, which has from day one preached
equality of mankind.
Muslim Leaders @ New Age Islam
Can anyone on
this forum try to translate Maulana Abul Kalam Azad’s commentary in order to let
“Secular Logic,” understand the meaning of “Uncleanliness of their hearts.”
Maulana Abul Kalam Azad is as follows:
“In verse 28
the Quran reverts to the order issued in an earlier verse of this chapter
prohibiting the polytheists to enter the Ka’ba any further. That House of
Prayer had been raised by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ismail for the
worship of God, the One, and was meant to serve as a center of spiritual
activity for those who believed in the unity of God.”
“In this verse the reference to the uncleanliness of the polytheists is
not to their physical condition but to the uncleanliness of their hearts. Islam
does not regard the person or the body of anyone as unclean. Every man as man stands on the same footing as every other human being.
It is why it has prohibited untouchability and does not single out any section
of humanity as untouchable. In fact, it is clear from the recorded
history of the Prophet that the Prophet maintained social relationships with
not only the People of the Book, the Jews, but with the polytheists of his
time. He used to dine with them and accept their invitations and also offer
invitations to them. History has recorded that he at times had allowed them to
stay in his own mosque at Madina.”
Logic,” is profoundly obsessed, then let all the Muslim readers try to explain
to the person in “Hindi” or any other language that can be understood.
Thus far, it seems like the “Intellectual Bigot,” is totally incapable to understand
the spirit of the commentary by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad. It is obvious that a
person with a “Clean
Heart,” will be able to grasp the meaning of the Quranic verse.
Sultan Shahin Saheb, out of his heartfelt sympathy for “Secular Logic,”
can put some sense in his head. Let Sultan Saheb continue to learn from those
whose business is to insult Islam. I rest my case.
Clarifying and expounding the meaning and
essence of the Surah Fatiha for those others, unaware of its meaning or the
atavistic Ulema and Radical Muslims who question the singular role of the
Qur’an as the fount of guidance, virtually playing mukare Qur’an – though God
This follows the ongoing debate on the twin
“Surah, al-Fatiha” reads:
Praise is for God – The Lord of All Being!
The Benevolent, the Merciful!
Master of the Day of Recompense!
Thee only do we serve, and Thee only do we ask
Guide (Ihdi) us to the Upright Path (Sirat
6. The path of those
to whom Thou has been gracious
7. Not of those who
have incurred Thy displeasure, nor of those who have gone astray.
As one can readily see, this is simply a
prayer to God where the devotee praises Him (1:1-2), acknowledges Him as the
Final Judge of all humans (1:3), seeks His protection (1:4) and His Guidance to
the Upright Path (1:5) – the path of those who earned His Favour (1:6) and not
of those who went astray and earned His Wrath (1:7).
The divine voice answers in the very next
passage - the opening passage of the second Surah (2:1-2).
1. Alif, Lam, Meem (mystical expression).
2. This is (dhalika) the divine edict (al-Kitab),
let there be no doubt (la Raiba) it has guidance (Huda) for those who seek the
Upright Path (Muttaqin).
The use of the article ‘al’ in the
expression ‘al-Kitab’ denotes the singularity of the divine edict (book)
mentioned in the passage. Thus, the passage assures its audience about the
Qur’an’s singular role as the divine guidance.
However, those who are bent on clinging to
Medieval misinterpretations of the Qur’anic message, virtually reject the
Qur’an’s claim as “Dhalik Al Kita, La Raiba Fihe’ (2:2). God alone knows
the faith and fate of such Muslim who deny the very opening claim of the
Qur’an. Can they be call Munkar e Qur’an - God knows best.
Hello Ekhlaq Ahmed Saheb,
What’s the obsession with the number “Seventy-Two”? 72 Signs, 72 Sects,
72 Virgins. That’s ridiculous.
Why didn’t Prophet of Islam predicted as follows:
Sign No. 1 - Mankind will one
day land on the Moon.
Sign No. 2 – Rovers will be
sent to the Mars.
Sign No. 3 – Muslims will be
indulged in “Ghetto
Thinking,” instead of getting modern education.
How long will the “Tablighis of the World,” with Madrassa education continue
to keep Muslims backwards? Do you believe in the following Quranic prayer::
Ekhlaq Saheb, if you do, then for crying out loud, stop with
the nonsense about 72 Signs, 72 Sects and 72 Virgins.
Thanks again for understanding, I remain
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
Dear Sultan Shahin Saheb,
At long last, you must reflect upon the impact of “Ghetto
Thinking,” which has been lingering on with certain
commentators on the New Age Islam forum. Take a quick glance at the two similar
comments dated October 23, 2013 and March 26, 2015.
As an Editor did you noticed any change? It’s the same old
recycling of words by “Secular Logic,” as follows:
October 23, 2013
"Polytheists are totally
“What a breathtakingly outrageous statement!”
March 26, 2015
“How then are you going to reconcile the “Idolators are unclean", and other anti Kafir, anti
apostate, anti atheist, anti polytheist aspects of Islam with the more
accomodative modern milieu?”
Knowing your die-hard belief that, we the “Moderate
Muslims,” can learn from the Islam haters, then why
there is a constant urge on their part to take delight in what they gleefully
call “Joy of
Provocation”? That doesn’t make any sense, or, does it Sultan Saheb?
Interestingly, it was Hats Off (S. Jeelani),
who made an astute remark as follows:
ps: i really do not bother about a persons's education. for
it is my lived experience that education rarely changes a man. or a woman for
that matter. education merely provides us with the sophistry and the tools to
justify our prejudices. i have come across highly
educated people who say stupid things and illiterate people who have said some
of the wisest things.
By hats off! - 11/1/2013 12:13:15 AM
No doubt, “Secular Logic,” is a living proof of how
stupid can an educated person get. Yes indeed, those who are certified “Intellectual
Bigots,” are absolutely beyond cure. There is no need
to look any further. “Perverted Logic,” makes me think that the person
belong to a mental asylum. Hate of Islam drives him back to the New Age Islam
forum every single morning, only to make a fool out of himself. Yet,
you continue to believe that this very person can teach the “Moderate
Muslims,” about Islam.
By the way, what was he/she smoking while commenting, “My
quarrel with the Quran is that in its very first opening verse, it begins with
a partition of mankind.” That’s simply amazing for a person who openly
declares that, we the Muslims, are people indoctrinated with ideology that are
Kind personal regards,
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
To: Sultan Shahin Saheb – Editor – New Age Islam
Subject: A Sweeping Verdict Against Surah: Al-Fatiha.
One can expect such a sweeping remark from none other than a
first-class bigot named “Secular Logic,” who hangs around the “New
Age Islam” forum. Perhaps, it will be wise for your forum’s regular readers
to ponder over the following remark:
“My quarrel with the Quran is that in
its very first opening verse, it begins with a partition of mankind - the
believers, who are the favoured, and the unbelievers, who are the scum of the
earth who must be vanquished.
People indoctrinated with this ideology
are beyond cure.”
Sultan Shahin Saheb, acting as a “Moderator,” can you
ask this “Coward,” to enlighten you and the rest of the Muslim readers about
his verdict? Apparently, he alone must be reading certain books about Islam
that 1.6 billion Muslims are not aware of. It will be all the more appropriate
to find out from this man who is nothing but a dedicated hate-monger.
For crying out loud, try not to remind the readers with your
oft-repeated belief that Muslims can learn from the reasoning of “Perverted
Logic.” The man hit and then run away without answering any questions. To
put it on record, that’s all he is capable of doing.
Always remember, bigots do not want to hear the “Truth,”
therefore, they resort to such a despicable tactic to promote their agenda.
Henceforth, I am sure that your fellow Muslims will expect you to clarify such “A Sweeping
Verdict Againt Surah: Al-Fatiha.” Bear in mind that this man is a regular
commentator on your forum, and as such, it is your personal responsibility,
acting as an “Editor,” to get a clarification from him. In short, do not
give him a pass like you have been doing in case of “Ex-Tablighi.”
All in all, maintain a “Fair and Balanced”
approach towards the debate. If someone steps out of line, then it is
you who must ask relevant questions to those who are in the business of what “Secular
Logic,“ termed it as “Joy of Provocation.” Now the question of the day is, “Are you going to play the
role of an honest moderator, or are you going to sweep this remark under the
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
- 2/8/2015 1:17:26 PM
Frankly I have not followed the exchange of views between you
and others, though cursorily looked at some of them. What really pleased me is that
you have not said a word that demonizes the Prophet of Islam – a common
tendency among Radical Muslim scholars as well as others who have little
knowledge of the Qur’an. So instead of raising questions about the apparent
inconsistencies in the Qur’an, they pick at its Prophet like vultures sweeping
down at the offal and entrails of dead animals in the pit of the valley – unable to
scale the heights of mountains. So, in the first place, you earn my admiration –
this is no double talk please for God knows what is at the back of human mind and I
am the last person to proselytize a faith that stands in a petrified form today (I
have done an article which I don’t want to load you with).
I agree with the inconsistencies you pointed out that stand out
on constant time reading of the Qur’anic text. The Qur’an, in Arabic or
translated form is indeed a very challenging text. Sultan Shahin Sahab has done
the right thing to refer my related article to you. I am encouraged to read the last sentence
of your last comment: “I will read whatever I can understand, though.”
As the article is somewhat exhaustive and will
undoubtedly scare any outsider, let me just quote some abridged extracts below
that may tell you that there is more to the faith of Islam than what one can
gather from what the eye meets in this era:
Opening para: “Any person reading a translation of the Arabic
Qur’an line by line for the first time is bound to be perplexed if he/she is a
believing Muslim and simply bewildered and alienated if he is Qur’an-sceptic
Muslim or a non-Muslim. He can neither connect one verse or passage with the
next, nor can he find any beauty, coherence and subtlety in its diction. Stark
ignorant of the subtlety and nuances of the Qur’anic Arabic, and confronted by
literal translation of its idioms and poetical and eschatological imageries, he
is angered and frustrated.” – Indeed, if I am not
mistaken, you seem to be angered if not and frustrated.
para. “The revulsion that it can evoke in an unsympathetic, uninitiated mind is
best expressed by the great scholar of the Enlightenment era, Thomas Carlyle,
otherwise a great admirer of the Prophet Muhammad ; he charged the Qur’an of being ‘a wearisome, confused jumble, crude,
incondite, endless irritation, long windedness, entanglement, insupportable
stupidity in short.’ 
“They (The Prophet’s immediate audience) found it strange and unbelievable (38:5, 50:2), a
jumble of dreams (21:5) and legends of the ancients (6:25, 23:83, 25:5, 27:68,
46:17, 68:15, 83:13). However, as direct witnesses to the revelation in the live
backdrop of its contexts, and under direct guidance of the Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh), they could comprehend the broader dimensions as well as the smaller but
critical caveats of its message.”
Concluding part: As
though cognizant of the immense complexity of its textualized form, the Qur’an
offers a set of clues to humanity to vault over its textual complexity and get
to the crux of its message – its tenets of guidance. Thus, it commands humanity
to probe its verses (38:29, 47:24) with a positive state of mind (56:79). It
calls for focusing only on the definitive verses (ayatum muhkamat) – such as
those free from any ambiguity or confusion (mutashabihat) (3:7) and seeking the
best meaning in it (39:18, 39:55). It also claims to be a book of wisdom (10:1,
31:2, 43:4, 44:4) made clear and distinct (12:1, 15:1, 16:64, 26:2, 27:1,
36:69, 43:2, 44:2) with all kinds of illustrations (17:89, 18:54, 30:58,
39:27), and claims to be its own best interpretation (25:33), and its own
completion and perfection (5:3).
The foregoing enunciations imply that
the best way to interpret the Qur’anic message is i) to focus on its definitive
– that is clearly stated and unambiguous verses, ii) to use its vocabulary –
how a word or root is used across the text; iii) to cross reference the verses
bearing same or similar themes which may appear under different Suras of the
Qur’an; and iv) to use the Qur’anic themes and illustrations to extrapolate its
broader message, rather than quoting any verse or passage in isolation. These
clues, which collectively epitomize the most preferred methodology of exegesis
– explaining the Qur’an by the Qur’an  can greatly assist any sympathetic
reader of the Arabic or the translated Qur’an to comprehend the broader
trajectories of its guidance despite the historical gap of some fourteen
centuries between its advent and this day and the immense complexity of its
text when read line by line in its entirety. A recently published focused
exegetic work  attempts to probe the verses of the Qur’an following the
above listed Qur’anic clues.
Dear Rafiq Lodhia Sahab,
Yours comment under "Ghetto
Thinking" in which you have quoted comments from three commentators seem
to have caused you profound distress because each of them is designed to derail
the serious discussion that the featured article merits and each of them purports
to question the divinity of the Qur'an and thus aims at cutting the very roots
of Islamic faith.
Ironically, instead of shocking me, it has
pleased and reassured me, I had attempted to capture the minds of the Radical
Muslims of Islam - the likes of those you cited. Their comments you quoted
assures me I did not go overboard for I, as the author (jointly) of an exegetic
work, as well a Muslim tread a razor's
edge and cannot be forgiven for making false statements. I agree, I have to
allow full freedom of expression to those opposed to Islam but if Muslims or
those who have inadequate of distorted knowledge about the Islamic faith as
enshrined in the Qur'an or commit the shirk (God knows best) of conflating or
pairing it Hadith, I cannot remain silent as a witness to the Qur'anic
This is what I wrote in the concluding Para
of my article referenced below:
"Finally, a parting message is due to
the Muslim intellectual front of the modern counterparts of the hypocrites and
believing nomadic Arabs, intense in Kufr, of the Prophet’s era. They must
understand, it is too late in history to dislodge Islam from its spiritual
bastion. As there is no compulsion in religion all those sceptical of the
divinity of the Qur’an must feel free to exit Islam, rather than create
division and disorder within its ranks or conspire against it with the
non-Muslims bent on trivializing the Qur’an and maligning the Prophet. No
wonder the Qur’an referred to them as rijz (abomination) (9:95) like the pagan
Arabs (9:28), and the Prophet readily agreed to exempt them from taking part in
both the Uhud battle (3:167) and Tabuk expedition (9:47)."
The Radical Intelligentsia of Islam
and Its Orthodox Ulema Are the ‘Hypocrites’ and ‘Nomadic Arabs Intense In Kufr’
Of This Era: They Are Its Twin Internal Enemies, and Must Be Resisted
Discussion Thread: GHETTO THINKING OF THE MUSLIMS IS APPALLING
Dated: October 23, 2014
To Everyone participating in New Age Islam forum.
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Candidly speaking, I was dumbfounded to read the comments of so many
pertaining to Maulana Wahiddudin’s article titled, “Muslim
Separatism is Un-Islamic.”
The spirit of Maulana’s message was to enlighten us about how the Muslims of
modern days have drifted towards “Identity Conscious” ways of living which has
helped to trigger the defeatist mentality. Maulana Saheb has correctly pointed
out that such an unnatural identity-consciousness has produced “ghetto country, colony, institutions and society.”
I say “GHETTO THINKING” is
what we the Muslims are skillfully applying in many of the Islamic forums
across the world. This particular on-going discourse on “New Age Islam” has pretty much gone out of context. Muslim minds
are now very deeply entrenched into focusing only on the bifurcated versions of
The Sahih or Genuine; the Hasan or the Fair; and the Da’if or the Weak. Though,
I have not extensively studied the “Hadith,” nonetheless, I respect the sayings of our
beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him). In fact, after reading some
of the truly derogatory remarks coupled with a personal request by the Editor,
Sultan Shahin, I decided to participate by making a handful of comments only to
be frightened by the onslaught of unruly and unintelligent remarks that struck
Having said that, I find the current discourse to be truly mind-boggling. A few comments have taken me aback as to make me to simply wonder about what has been
filtered into the minds of Muslims in these days. At times I wonder if the
participants are merely Muslims or they are converted into Christianity or
merely they belong to other faiths. Respecting the “Freedom
of Speech,” I would say
that there seems to be a mixed blend of debaters on this forum who are engaged
in back and forth rebuttals. Spirited debates should always be welcomed and
that is what Sultan Shahin is striving for. For instance:
Khalid Suhail’s comments are as follows:
is unintelligible without the Hadith.”
“He (Prophet Muhammad) was the first
to violate the treaty of Hudaibiya.”
“Islam is a journey from peace to
violence. The early writings of prophet Muhammad are very distinct from latter ones.
When prophet Muhammad started his prophetic career, he had no earthly powers
and the verses that he wrote during that period are all conciliatory and
Rational Mohammed Younus comments are as follows:
“He is caught between who tells the
Quran can't be understood without Hadith and one who says the Quran can be
understood by the common man like you.”
“He is caught between
"submitters" and who open the chapters of philosophy
and rationality behind the every verse. So
let us close the Madrasas, Universities or any other institutions those award
scholarship and shoot the scholars as they have become godhead of their sects. Do
you think Islam produced so many blasphemers including Sufis. Can you tell me some Sufis who rejected the
Ahadith? Bokhari was smarter than Hz Mohammed in this case. Millions of Muslims
are believing in Ahadith. You need not to run into search you will find some of
them here in so called moderates.”
Hats Off (A fellow human hailing
from a different religion) comments are as follows:
“gandhi was doing exactly what the
moderate muslim apologists do today. the moderate muslims hold candles for their
violent brothers, who quote the exact same verses for murdering, which the
moderates use for whitewashing. so you have these fantastically flexible
verses, which one may use either for general slaughter or general peace. multi
idol worship and personal hygiene are not at all connected either by cause and
effect or by association. the surprise is that you are constrained to say you
feel sorry for asserting that polytheists do not wash. this is derogatory and
actually rather coarse.”
“Someone somewhere needs to wake up.
The eternal text is dead. The ephemeral text has come to stay.”
Mr. Hats Off. You are absolutely right. Someone somewhere needs to
wake-up big time. Whilst the Muslim minds
are muddled way too much by the “Science of
I would like to respectfully point out to you the summary of Quranic
verse 28 in Chapter 9 – Repentance (Al-Tawba) as follows:
“O Ye Muslims! Surely those who ascribe partners to God
are an unclean lot. Let them not after this year approach the Holy Place of
Prayer, and if (due to lack of opportunity to profit by trading with them at
the time of Haj you apprehend poverty, (then, do not lose heart for), God , if
He pleases, will soon give you riches out of His abundance. Verily God
knows (your needs) and He will in His Wisdom compensate you for your loss.”
“In verse 28 the Quran reverts to the order issued in an
earlier verse of this chapter prohibiting the polytheists to enter the Ka’ba
any further. That House of Prayer had been raised
by the Prophet Abraham and his son Ismail for the worship of God, the One, and
was meant to serve as a center of
spiritual activity for those who believed in the unity of God.”
“In this verse the reference to the uncleanliness of the
polytheists is not to their physical condition but to
the uncleanliness of their hearts. Islam does not regard the person or the body of anyone as unclean. Every man
as man stands on the same footing as
every other human being. It is why it has prohibited
untouchability and does not single out any
section of humanity as untouchable. In fact, it is clear
from the recorded history of the Prophet that the
Prophet maintained social relationships with not only the People of the Book, the Jews, but with
the polytheists of his time. He used to dine with them and accept their invitations and also offer
invitations to them. History has recorded that he at times had allowed them to
stay in his own mosque at Madina.”
Note the emphasis is strictly on “but
to the uncleanliness of their hearts.” How
about this translation that debunks all the jibber jabber of what little many
know about the actual meaning of the Quranic verses. No, Mr. Hats Off, the
eternal text is not dead. The ephemeral text is alive because there are those
who have been misled to believe that “Quran is unintelligible without
the Hadith.” Just like you remain flabbergasted, and so do I. The ignorant
among Muslims do not have a clue, but sadly, your comments are way off the
chart too. Yes, we have our fair share of “Misunderstanders” of religion, nevertheless, the grossly mislead
misinterpretations by people of other faiths do not help either. This very
discourse is enough of a proof that even a learned man like you do not,
perhaps, have enough knowledge of Islam. Need I say more, Mr. Hats Off?
Most importantly, while writing this note, another rebuttal was posted
by “Secular Logic” as follows:
"Polytheists are totally unclean"!
“For the sake of my own sanity, I avoid coming to this site and
reading the views of the most biased, rabid, brainwashed, churlish and
irrational people on this planet.”
“Yet, because these outpourings fall in the "horror" genre,
they seem to hold some morbid fascination for me that I keep coming here to get
For the sake of my sanity, I remain baffled at many irrational
comments posted by my fellow Muslims. I feel embarrassed to read absurd
comments, and all such baseless thoughts are nothing but the consequences of “GHETTO THINKING.”
Trust me, Sultan Shahin Saheb and I also are horrified at the thought process
of Muslim minds. We both are fully aware of the extent of the damage that has
been done, All we can do is to encourage the young Muslim youth to ponder over
what people hailing from other religions are thinking about our repulsive
Honestly speaking, the only “Moderate
has displayed a whole lot of common sense in this on-going discourse has
been Ghulam Mohiyuddin whose astute remarks were as follows:
“The essential message of the Quran is, "be good,
do the right thing, do good deeds, be
just, be kind, do not kill, be rational". Do we need to know where Masjide-Aqsa is? The life of the
Prophet and his parables are interesting reading but they are not an essential
part of Islam. God's entire message to Moses could be accommodated in one
page. Jesus's Sermon on the Mount is only four pages. Was Islam created for the
ordinary man or for scholars? All I am saying is that let common sense rule.”
All in all, I, Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia, earnestly recommend every Muslim
to remind himself/herself of a saying of our Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon
Him), that “Disputation about the Quran
constitutes unbelief.” Let
us then deter from continuing to keep on compiling more versions of Hadiths in
order to understand the simple and basic commandments of our Holy Quran. One
only needs to reflect upon the powerful fact that if an “Unlettered Prophet” and his companions many of
whom being “Unlettered,” clearly understood the verses of Holy Quran,
then why do we the 21st century Muslims have to apply our minds
deeply into the so-called “Science of Hadiths” consisting of ample confusions? Not to mention, for a Muslim to
dare suggest that “Quran is unintelligible without the Hadith” is a
starting point of disputation. The word to the wise is sufficient.
Thanks again for reading, I remain
"The 72 Signs of Doomsday" . . .
All bogus! One more reason why we should pay no attention to the Hadiths.
3,000 madrasas affiliated to Darul Uloom shun govt
By Mohd Faisal Fareed | Lucknow | Published March
26, 2015 2:29 am
Darul Uloom says not in favour of mixing religious and modern
Nearly 3000 madrasas affiliated to country’s largest Islamic seminary,
Darul Uloom, Deoband, have decided to shun any government aid for modernisation
and to stay away from modern teaching. In its maiden budget, the Narendra Modi
government had announced Rs 100 crore for modernisation of madrasas.
The decision was taken during a two-day ((March 23-24) conference of
Rabta-e-Madaris-e-Islamia — an organisation of nearly 3,000 madrasas affiliated
to Darul Uloom. The advice for the same came from Rector, Darul Uloom, Maulana
Abul Qasim Nomani, who also heads the Rabta-e-Madaris-e-Islamia. Nearly 4000
clerics from across the country attended the conference held at Masjid Rashidia
on Darul Uloom campus in Deoband.
“We are not in favour of mixing religious teachings with modern
teachings. We are devoted fully to religious teachings. We are for ‘deen ka
ilm’ and ‘deen ki hifazat’ (religious teachings and protection of religion).
For other modern subjects, there are other institutions,” Nomani told The
Indian Express on Wednesday.
Nomani also said that Dars-e-Nizamia — the pattern of teaching at
madrasas affiliated to Darul Uloom — does not believe in seeking employment and
making money after education. “We only make religious people. Other subjects
such as English literature or computers can be pursued only after completing
religious teachings,” he said.
To hammer home his point, Nomani said, “We are not going to mix a
little bit of Quranic education in courses like law, engineering and medical.
Then why shall we allow little knowledge of these streams in our courses?”
Nomani, who holds considerable clout among Deoband sect of Muslims,
also asked the madrasas to shun government aid. “It is the will of our alma
mater that if we take any aid from anyone, that person will be interested in
applying his system in our madrasas, which cannot be allowed. We are not bound
to accept government aid. We are running our religious institutions as per our
constitutional rights, so why should we follow the system of government
education,” Nomani said.
Link to the Article
I think Secularlogic's apprehensions may dissolve a bit if he were to read the following article:
Any person reading a translation of the Arabic Qur’an line by line for the first time is bound to be perplexed if he/she is a believing Muslim and simply bewildered and alienated if he is Qur’an-sceptic Muslim or a non-Muslim. He can neither connect one verse or passage with the next, nor can he find any beauty, coherence and subtlety in its diction. Stark ignorant of the subtlety and nuances of the Qur’anic Arabic, and confronted by literal translation of its idioms and poetical and eschatological imageries, he is angered and frustrated. With no background knowledge of the Qur’an’s historical and Biblical allusions, he is completely at a loss to make any head or tail of what comes under his eyes. With turning of each page he confronts, often in the midst of disjointed and abstruse themes, divine threats and altruistic commandments, both of which he loathes to swallow. Who wants to be told that his wealth is not entirely his own (4:32), or to spend for the needy at every opportunity (2:274), or to write off debt to a poor debtor (2:278), or not to expect any return for a favour bestowed (74:6), or to shun greed, arrogance, back biting and other temptations and cravings of mind? He soon gives up.
The truth is, read pedagogically verse by verse, the Arabic Qur’an – let alone its translation is mind boggling. It is like a literary kaleidoscope that encompasses an exhaustive array of themes, mixes the spiritual with the mundane, the abstruse with the concrete and maintains a sketchy diary of the Prophetic mission with no dates, no names of people or places, no historical details of any kind, scattering all its data in bits and pieces in a random fashion across its text. In the midst of this wide array of themes, it interjects the diverse elements of its guidance and reverts to some of them repeatedly. The matter becomes far more complex in translation.
I don't endorse these or any other points. I merely see that all the signs of Kheyamat as predicted by the prophet have almost come true or there are trends showing in that direction:
42. Women will trade along with men
43. Women will imitate men
44. Men will imitate women
I am only worried about your fate. Come back home before Kheyamat actually starts. You are a learned person, my madrasa bhai.
It is a truism that you can prove anything by ignoring half the data. Therefore, by choosing the verses you wish to ignore, you can distort the message and try to prove your view point. But who can argue with a literalist and fundamentalist who ignores nothing and the meaning he derives contradicts no verse? Now if you have a problem with such a literalist and a fundamentalist and would rather listen to those who hold many of the verses to be abrogated and those who mix the Quran with the ahadiths, then that is your choice.But why does it bother you so much that a literalist and fundamentalist understanding of the Quran leads to the conclusion that Islam is truly literally and fundamentally a religion of peace, moderation and secular justice?
The 72 Signs of Doomsday
The Prophet Muhammad (Salallah u Alaihi
Wassallam) foretold 72 signs that would appear near Doomsday:
1. People will leave prayer
2. People will usurp Ama'naat.
3. Lying will become an art
4. There will be murders on the
slightest of disagreements.
5. Usury will become common
6. There will be very tall buildings
7. People will sell Religion for the
8. People will treat relatives badly
9. Justice will become a rarity
10. Lies will be considered truth
11. Clothes will be of silk
12. Persecution will become common
13. Divorces will become common
14. Sudden deaths will increase
15. The usurper of Ama'naat will be
considered honest and honourable
16. The keeper of Ama’naat will be
called an usurper of things given to him
Dear Ekhlaq Ahmad - 3/27/2015 3:48:41 AM
May I request you to post your comments
on following points?
44. Men will imitate women why Allah or
his messenger is misogynist or bothers about genders?
From your comment it seems that you endorse
these all points.
Quran in chapter 9 says,
"Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikun(polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.So travel freely (O Mushrikun) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah — the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (to Muhammad) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious — see V.2:2).Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat(charity), then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.And if anyone of the Mushrikun (polytheists, idolaters, pagans, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah) seeks your protection then grant him protection, so that he may hear the Word of Allah (the Quran), and then escort him to where he can be secure, that is because they are men who know not."—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 9:1-6
"Freedom from (all) obligations (is declared) from Allah and His Messenger to those of the Mushrikun(polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah), with whom you made a treaty.
So travel freely (O Mushrikun) for four months (as you will) throughout the land, but know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah, and Allah will disgrace the disbelievers.
And a declaration from Allah and His Messenger to mankind on the greatest day (the 10th of Dhul-Hijjah — the 12th month of Islamic calendar) that Allah is free from (all) obligations to the Mushrikun and so is His Messenger. So if you (Mushrikun) repent, it is better for you, but if you turn away, then know that you cannot escape (from the Punishment of) Allah. And give tidings (to Muhammad) of a painful torment to those who disbelieve.
Except those of the Mushrikun with whom you have a treaty, and who have not subsequently failed you in aught, nor have supported anyone against you. So fulfill their treaty to them to the end of their term. Surely Allah loves Al- Mattaqun (the pious — see V.2:2).
Then when the Sacred Months (the Ist, 7th, 11th, and 12th months of the Islamic calendar) have passed, then kill the Mushrikun wherever you find them, and capture them and besiege them, and prepare for them each and every ambush. But if they repent and perform As-Salat (Iqamat-as-Salat), and give Zakat(charity), then leave their way free. Verily, Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.
"O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. Fight against those who(1) believe not in Allah,(2) nor in the Last Day,(3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger(4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. And the Jews say: 'Uzair (Ezra) is the son of Allah, and the Christians say: Messiah is the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouths. They imitate the saying of the disbelievers of old. Allah's Curse be on them, how they are deluded away from the truth! "—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 9:28-30
"O you who believe (in Allah's Oneness and in His Messenger (Muhammad)! Verily, the Mushrikun (polytheists, pagans, idolaters, disbelievers in the Oneness of Allah, and in the Message of Muhammad) are Najasun (impure). So let them not come near Al-Masjid-al-Haram (at Makkah) after this year, and if you fear poverty, Allah will enrich you if He will, out of His Bounty. Surely, Allah is All-Knowing, All-Wise. 
Fight against those who
Quran chapter 8 says,
"(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment."—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 8:12-13
"(Remember) when your Lord inspired the angels, "Verily, I am with you, so keep firm those who have believed. I will cast terror into the hearts of those who have disbelieved, so strike them over the necks, and smite over all their fingers and toes."This is because they defied and disobeyed Allah and His Messenger. And whoever defies and disobeys Allah and His Messenger, then verily, Allah is Severe in punishment."
"Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."—Muhsin khan translated Quran, verse 8:38-39
"Say to those who have disbelieved, if they cease (from disbelief) their past will be forgiven. But if they return (thereto), then the examples of those (punished) before them have already preceded (as a warning).And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and polytheism: i.e. worshipping others besides Allah) and the religion (worship) will all be for Allah Alone [in the whole of the world]. But if they cease (worshipping others besides Allah), then certainly, Allah is All-Seer of what they do."
In his tafsir, Ibn Kathir, one of the most well-renown Islamic scholars, explains the verses further:
"Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:(...until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam.Allah's statement:(...and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.' It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said: "The Prophet was asked, `O Allah's Messenger! A man fights out of bravery, and another fights to show off, which of them fights in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said:(He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) In addition, it is reported in the Two Sahihs:(I have been ordered (by Allah) to fight the people until they proclaim, `None has the right to be worshipped but Allah'. Whoever said it, then he will save his life and property from me, except for cases of the law, and their account will be with Allah.)"—Tafsir of Ibn Kathir, The Order to fight until there is no more FitnahShould I take this literally or should I look for some nice interpretation of these verses?Half the Muslims of the world are telling us that the Quran must not be taken literally; the other half says it must be taken literally and go on to wreak havoc in the world. You, in the middle, say it must be taken literally, but as per your understanding of the words. forgive me for being confused and unconvinced. And oh - the material is taken from wikipedia and not any islamophobic site.
"Allah then commanded fighting the disbelievers when He said:
(...until there is no more Fitnah) meaning, Shirk. This is the opinion of Ibn `Abbas, Abu Al-`Aliyah, Mujahid, Al-Hasan, Qatadah, Ar-Rabi`, Muqatil bin Hayyan, As-Suddi and Zayd bin Aslam.
Allah's statement:(...and the religion (all and every kind of worship) is for Allah (Alone).) means, `So that the religion of Allah becomes dominant above all other religions.' It is reported in the Two Sahihs that Abu Musa Al-Ash`ari said: "The Prophet was asked, `O Allah's Messenger! A man fights out of bravery, and another fights to show off, which of them fights in the cause of Allah' The Prophet said:(He who fights so that Allah's Word is superior, then he fights in Allah's cause.) In addition, it is reported in the Two Sahihs:
It is forbidden in Islam to declare
people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief."
what if one wants to leave the islam? What is fatwa of 147 scholars who wrote open letter to Al-Baghdadi?
Every one of
you must read the following sentence:
I ask myself why I come here at all to indulge in such futile interactions.”
Good to know
that the “Chicken George,” who always duck answering about the social
ills of his own community, is now thinking about why he is involved in the New
Age Islam forum. I say, it’s about time.
At long last,
the “Twisted Logic,” should retire in a mental asylum. The smart-aleck have
nothing worthwhile to contribute, but only to worry about, “How Muslims
behave will determine the nature of the world my children and grandchildren
Oh well, he/she
should be worrying more about how much damage “Intellectual Bigots” are doing to insult other religion. How many times,
we have to keep on telling that sane and educated Muslims know our own problems?
How stupid can a person get?
there is something mentally wrong with a person. I only wonder, “Sharam Jaisa
Koi Cheez Hai Ka Nahin?” It is quite apparent that he/she does not
have any. Let’s face it, no one knows the identity of the person, hence, I have
no choice but to write, “He/She.”
demand is, “Respect, sir, has to be earned. I cannot force myself to respect
anything.” That’s just great. How can one expect to earn respect for
continuing to assault a religion at every single turn? Simply, ignore a person
who has proven beyond a shadow of doubt that he/she is nothing but a downright
Comment-3 for Ghulam
Rasool Dehlvi Sahab
This commentary demonstrates that those Ulamas of this day
who are bent on venerating the Hadith as an inextricable component of Islamic
faith complementary or supplementary to the Qur’an may be committing a grave
error verging on shirk though God knows best.
In the Qur’an, the
divine voice declares:
“I swear by the Stations of the stars.
It is an oath, if you only knew, that is tremendous.
It is a noble Quran.
None can grasp it except the purified (those who approach it
with a positive frame of mind).
A revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.
Is it this discourse that you take so lightly?
And you make it your livelihood to deny it?”
This passage, like all others
passages of the Qur’an were simultaneously heard by a group of the Prophet’s
companions, memorized by them and remain in the memory of the huffaz ever since
as a lyrical litany that, like any lyrical composition, is linguistically protected
against any tampering. Hence, the claim of the Qur’an to protect its text, made
in the above passage, in full light of history, witnessed by scores of Prophet’s
companions, memorized by hundreds of them remains true to this day.
Now compare with the Hadith. As Ghulam Ghous Sahab – who is
well groomed in hadith sciences mentioned in one of his recent comments, and is
otherwise known in scholarly circles, about 5000 out of some 20,000 ahadith in the Sahih compilation are
reported by one single person – Imam Abu Huraira. He cites no witness. He simply
made a verbal imagery by listening or watching an episode only once, for it is
most unlikely that the Prophet or any of his wives would have told him or did anything
repeatedly for him to make an accurate verbal imagery. Since he was a post
Meccan integration Muslim, he had hardly three years to hear and memorize all
these ahadiht. Given that the period saw a high level of mobility of the
Prophet, it is most unlikely that he verified the truth of a single of these
narrations with the Prophet. Besides, scholars agree that the fabricators of
hadith in later era found it convenient to trace their isnad to his name. So,
whether, the ahadith attributed to him were at all narrated by him remains in
doubt. Now, how any Muslim man who can understand the Arabic language of the
Qur’an and so can feel the force of the above divine declaration, and is
cognizant of the truth of its collective witnessing, memorization and incorruptibility
(owing its lyrical format) can dare to bring Abu Hurayra’s narrations, none
recorded in light of history (first recorded some 200 years after they were first
introduced), none witnessed by anyone else, none told him or witnessed by him
more than once, none verified by him, none commanding any lyrical format, and
each liable to be altered as people orally cited them across the length and breadth
of the regions in which they grew for
some eight generations.
Is there any need to table
any further argument to convince anyone groomed in Islamic scholarship that it
may be an insult to the Qur’an, a shirk of high order, to pair or compare it in
any way with the Hadith as illustrated by the above example. It is an outrage
and God alone knows how He will judge those Ulamas and scholars of this day who
are bent on venerating the Hadith as an inextricable component of Islamic faith
complementary or supplementary to the Qur’an.
Glad to see you speaking out. You are right that person like “Secular
Logic,” only focus is to portray the religion of Islam as evil. How long has
this person commenting on the New Age Islam forum? What did so many of your
readers learn? This skillful bigot has long been masquerading as “Mr.
Know-It-All,” about Islam. Living in his/her own imaginary
world of denial is something they all do best. There are so many social ills in
India, such as, rapes, caste systems and what not. Why not shift the attention
towards Islam? To so many of these bigots, everything that is wrong in this
world has mainly been caused by the followers of Islam.
Sultan Saheb, what struck me the most in your rebuttal, was your
statement as follows:
“I want to make one thing clear. I have absolutely no problem with you
and other Islam-haters or Islamophobes posting comments on my website. Your
presence, as that of ex-Muslim haters of Islam, is essential to keep Muslims on
their toes. Your comments make us better informed about the kind of world we
What is puzzling is to continue to think that there is a lot to learn
from the “Intellectual Bigots,” who have proven beyond a shadow of doubt
that they are indeed, dedicated Islam bashers. They are in the habit of
squashing any spirited debates. You read what “Secular Logic” wrote:
“I wish I
could make you feel good by accepting the BS that is currently being dished out
by the great reinterpretionist. The angel Gabriel seems to have resumed his
whispering, this time into the ears of this gentleman. But I can't. Sorry.”
Now the question is, which gentleman was he referring to? That’s
important to know.
Furthermore, you gave another example of “Hats Off,” by calling
him an honorable man. What Muslim readers of New Age Islam must come to realize
is that honorable commentators should respect honorable comments from “Moderate
Muslims.” That has not been the case as far as I know.
You felt sorry, but don’t you think that it is high time to feel sorry for
those who are dedicating their valuable time and enormous energy to set the
record straight about Islam? Why would you want some bigots to constantly throw
“A Money Wrench”
right in the midst of healthy debate?
Last but not the least, Muslims will never find any moral courage to
come out of denial. The reason being that the haters and bashers are being
encouraged to continue with their assault on Islam. As a respected Editor, you
must DRAW A
LINE. Bear in mind that the main aim of Islam haters is to “Demoralize Muslims,” and nothing else. I am sorry that
there is nothing to learn from them, Sultan Shahin Saheb.
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
Guess what! “A FIERCELY DEDICATED INTELLECTUAL BIGOT,”
strikes again by stating, “I am secular, with a caveat.” Vow! The person
pops in to continue to give all the Muslims his own twisted warning, and yet,
ignores to answer the tough questions related to the culture, which the person
hails from. Isn’t this a sign of a first-class bigot?
Here is what the “Mysterious Person,” wrote:
have to be a non-Muslim and see how those verses affect us.
anyone ask how this secular person is personally being affected by the Qur’anic
Ayaan Hirsi was saying the same thing in her article.
not click on: “Heart-wrenching to see how women are treated in India.” Let
the “Run-Away Artist,” ponder over how the women are treated in India.
Perhaps, Ayaan Hirshi can assist in speaking out about the rape victims of
India too. After all, the world’s oldest civilization should teach mankind how
to treat women. Am I right or wrong?
are you going to reform?
not reform the issues of one’s own religion, and then become a critic of another?
Why is this “Simple Logic” so difficult to understand for the “Intellectual
violence was certainly not recorded in the New Testament.
the so-called “Secular with a Caveat,” be able to elaborate further
about his/her concluding remarks? May be, the person will decide to evade
answering as always.
feel good by accepting the BS that is currently being dished out.
person is so full of BS that he/she can’t even muster enough courage to confront
the “Truth,” about
the very culture which he/she brags about.
time into the ears of this gentleman.
time, let’s see if the “Misguided Logic,” will read with his own naked
eyes, an article titled, “Modi is no ally for India’s women.” Let
the person not worry about the Muslim ears. Merely ask the person to open
his/her own eyes and stop acting as “A FIERCELY DEDICATED INTELLECTUAL BIGOT,” whose sole aim is to smear the
religion of Islam.
I say to Sultan Shahin Saheb, not to continue to surrender to the
insulting remarks of the commentators who have nothing good to write about
Islam. Be bold enough to question the person’s intellectual integrity. As a
Muslim, it will be wise on his part to at least respect those fellow Muslims,
who are being assaulted by the bigots, who constantly poke their nose to
disrupt, distort and insult the learned Muslim thinkers and scholars who are
trying hard to post their sincere viewpoints on the New Age Islam forum. Simply
put, the need of the hour is to rethink about the following paragraph:
“We Muslims have to take such ex-Muslims as well as self-styled
secular rationalists in our stride and create a coherent narrative and theology
of peace, pluralism and co-existence along with gender justice and all the
humane values taught to us by all Islamic prophets whose guidance is still
Finally, may I ask, “Why would ex-Muslims or self-styled secular
rationalists, be interested in joining hands with “Moderate Muslims”? I am afraid
the humane values taught to us by Biblical/Islamic prophets, can only be
created in a coherent manner by a handful of like-minded learned Muslims, whose
core belief lies strictly upon the teachings of the Holy Quran and not the
secondary Islamic sources.
Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia
Dear secularlogic, secular people, or let me say atheists, do not
hate religion. At least in India secularism simply means respect for all religions,
which you clearly don't have. You too don't really hate Islam. You only hate
moderate, progressive, peaceful, pluralist, spiritual, mystical Islam, that has been peacefully co-existing with other
religious communities, giving shelter in many cases to those persecuted, for
instance, in Christian lands. And, of course, the behaviour of many Muslims
through centuries, right from the beginning, has also been disgusting. If you
don't know that I am the one who keeps criticising Muslims constantly for their
denial of historical and contemporary facts, that is simply because you think I
am a moderate and so you don't need to read anything I write.
You only read what appeals to your pre-conceived notions or
perhaps what you were taught in early life. There has to be some early
pre-conditioning. Otherwise a hiughly educated person like you won't have said:
"Perhaps, to understand a non-Muslim's aversion to Islam, you
have to be a non-Muslim and see how those verses affect us." You are
implying that all non-Muslims hate Islam. This is patently absurd. Great minds
among non-Muslims, as aware as you or me, of Quran and Hadees and Islamic
history, have loved Islam and have praised the prophet without any reservations.
And, of course, there are many Muslims themselves who hate and fear
I want to make one thing clear. I have absolutely no problem with you
and other Islam-haters or Islamophobes posting comments on my website. Your
presence, as that of ex-Muslim haters of Islam, is essential to keep Muslims on
their toes. Your comments make us better informed about the kind of world we
live in. I miss Hats Off's incisive comments. I had just asked him once, if my
memory is serving me right, if he ever found anything good in Islam or Muslims,
or something like that. Obviously, he couldn't reply in the affirmative and,
the honourable man that he was, left posting. He could have just ignored me and
carried on spewing hatred. I felt sorry. I should have just believed my
assessment and kept quiet. You see, I believe, it's absolutely imperative for
Muslims to know how vast sections of humanity are responding to Jihadi as well
as progressive versions of Islam.
a bit rattled by the "the conclusions that" my (?) "latest pet
reinterpretors of the Quran" are drawing. Do you feel these
conclusions have the potential to convince Muslims to throw out extremist
Jihadis from their midst? Maybe so. But I can assure you heavens will not fall
if a moderate version of Islam once again became acceptable to common Muslims.
revisit your attachment to Jihadi Islam. I can assure you we will defeat it. It
is an unnatural form of Islam. Muslims will one day find the courage to come
out of denial, accept the need for change and reformulate their understanding
of Islamic scriptures and the legitimate role they should play in their lives. But
wait, this will not be the end of the road for you. There will always be some
evil you can love, some good you can hate.
Comment-2 for the sight of GRD.
THOSE MUSLIMS WHO
UNDERSTAND WHAT THEY RECITE IN EACH CYCLE OF THEIR DAILY PRAYER WILL HAVE NO
DOUBT IN THEIR MIND THAT THEY ARE COMMANDED TO SEEK GUIDANCE FROM THE QUR’AN
AND QUR’AN ALONE.
the concluding remark of my comment -1 addressed to Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi Sahab.
Muslim recites the first Sura of the Qur’an, “Surah,
al-Fatiha” in each cycle of his / her daily prayer.
The Sura, comprising
seven verses is simply a prayer from man to God and has this supplication to
God: “Guide (ihdi) us to the Upright
Path (sirat al mustaqim), the path of
those to whom thou has been gracious, not of those who have incurred Thy
displeasure, nor of those who have gone astray (1:4-7).
the divine voice responds in the immediately succeeding verses that appear in
the beginning of the second Sura, al Baqara: “Alif Lam Mim (mystical term),
this is the divine edict (dhalik al kitab) – let there be no doubt (la raiba),
its has (fihe) guidance for those seeking the Upright path (hudal il muttaqin)
The use of the article ‘al’ in the
expression ‘al-kitab’ denotes the
particularity of the divine edict (book) mentioned in the passage. Thus, the
passage assures its audience about the Qur’an’s singular role as the divine
guidance. If a supplementary source of guidance like the Hadith (sayings or traditions of the Prophet) was needed as an
essential, divine or quasi-divine adjunct to the Qur’an, it may have omitted
this article and instead stated ‘Zalika
Kitab.’ The use of the article ‘al’ thus rules out any possibility of God’s
sending another tier of guidance, and affirms this through it following
“… In what discourse (Hadith)
other than this will they believe?” (7:185).
“These are God’s revelations, which We recite to you (O Muhammad) in
truth. But if they deny God and His
revelations, in what discourse (Hadith)
other than (the Word of) God and His messages will they believe?” (45:6).
“This assuredly is the Truth – so celebrate the name of God the Most
Hence, the Muslims must seek
guidance from the Qur’an and Qur’an alone – though of course they can read
hadith to know the Prophet’s way of doing prayer, athan, wadu, hajj, fasting
and to have a window on his life and mission though any hadith that conflicts
with the Qur’an must be regarded as apocryphal or specific to an existential
circumstance and not accepted on face value. Guidance must be distinguished
from the methodology of strictly religious obligations. The former relate to
huquq al ibad – “man’s rights upon man” and the latter “huquq al Lah”: man’s
obligation to man. The Qur’an’s directives on man’s obligations to man
constitute the huquq al ibad – the steep path of the Qur’an as touched under
Coment-6 below. A Muslim does not have to read the hadith to know what he is
supposed to do and to shun as a Muslim. The Qur'an was the singular fount of guidance in the Prophet's era, when there were no ahadith. The jurists in the first century of Islam
did not consult ahadith to give verdicts on legal issues of the era:
Hence, the Qur’an and Qur’an alone is the eternal
fount of guidance for all humanity.
There is no way one can disagree with the very sensible and rational conclusion reached by Yunus Saheb in his response to GRD's comment: "...rather than mounting a gigantic exercise to dig into the real meanings of hadith – which even if concluded will hardly reach the common Muslims, let us singularly focus on the Qur’an and Qur’an alone for seeking divine guidance."
However, what is sensible and rational for some maybe insensible and irrational for others. So it is imperative that we continue this discussion. I would request GRD to respond. Among all the classical scholars on the site, he seems to be the only one so fat to at least accept obliquely that contextual verses and ahadees are no longer applicable to us as guidance in the present and vastly different circumstances from the seventh to tenth century AD when the holy Quran was revealed and hadees narratives were written and compiled.
We already know that nearly six hundred thousand of these were concocted and were rejected by the greats imams Bukhari, Muslim, etc. Only around four or five thousand were found to have a possibility of being correct. So it's the credibility of the left-over ahadees that is in question. Even the Quran-compatible ones need not be actual sayings of the Prophet. Imam Bukhari, Muslim, etc. had discovered that even some otherwise pious Muslims, with only the motivation of helping Islam do good, concocted ahadees, put words in the Prophet's mouth that were not his. Anyway, a substantive, meaningful discussion with the ulema is a must.
You are right secularlogic, we Muslims "must fight the beast within." But you are making our task harder by not accepting some facts. One, we Muslims have learnt our humane values from Islam, as propounded by prophets of God from the time of the first prophet Hazrat Adam a.s. to Hazarat Krishna, Ramchandra, Buddha, Mahavir, Moses, Jesus, Mohammad (peace be upon all of them). Over 124,000 prophets are supposed to have come in between, known in the languages of the time as saints, mystics, rishis, munis, avtars, etc. For us humane values are Islamic values, no matter, practised or preached in which civilisation. Personality, I learnt humane values as a child from my maulvi father early in my life almost entirely from what are known today as exclusively Islamic sources.
Two, war had indeed been imposed upon the prophet. For the first thirteen years of his prophethood, the Muslims were under great pressure, persecution of all sorts was practised against them, but they were not allowed to fight and defend themselves with arms. When the situation became so dire that they had to flee Mecca, they ran away. But they were pursued there too. Muslims were permitted to fight only when there was no option left.
However, there are Muslims who seem to feel we are still fighting the battles of Badr and Uhud and the guidance given then is still applicable in the same way. Some claim, like ISIS, that we are fighting end-times battles, the al-Malhama, before the Armageddon, and the Qeyamat which, according to their calculations, is only two years away. This has created the rush for participation in the "forthcoming final battle at Dabiq, Syria." It's not difficult to see the irrationality and inhumanity of it all. But the Muslims' task becomes harder when those who have left Islam and those who claim to be secular and on top of that rational as well, side with the irrational Jihadi narrative.
However, we Muslims have to take such ex-Muslims as well as self-styled secular rationalists in our stride and create a coherent narrative and theology of peace, pluralism and co-existence along with gender justice and all the humane values taught to us by all Islamic prophets whose guidance is still available.
Dear Ghulam Rasool Sahab!
In your last comment you cite a Hadith,
quoting the Prophet, "I will expel the Jews and Christians from the
Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslims" [Muslim].
Then after demonstrating that actually the
Jews were not expelled from Medina you conclude: “This explains how the
Companions understood the Prophet’s command to expel the Jews and Christians
from the Arabian Peninsula.”
So what you actually imply is that we have
to take all such Hadith that sound controversial today as carrying a real or
concealed meaning for the Prophet’s companions.” Thus, to understand each such Hadith
which on the face value are contrary to the Qur’anic message or ground
realities of the Prophet’s era, we have to evaluate them against the ground
realities of the Prophetic mission or the Qur’anic message and then accept the
ground realities or the Qur’anic message and conclude ‘this is what is meant by
this Hadith’ even if it stated or sounded the contrary to the present day
This is indeed a novel way for interpreting
all such Ahadith which are contrary to reason or the ground realities of the
Prophet’s era or the Qur’anic message.
Thus, without burdening with examples of
such Ahadith (which as you will know are numerous), your argument demonstrates
that we must not take such ahadith as “they sound” on the face of it.
As noted in my detailed article on the
subject referenced below , the authenticated (Sahih) Hadith compilations
contain some accounts that sound most bizarre and purport to provoke sexuality,
induce terrorism, foment inter-faith hatred, and stand deeply misogynist,
scientifically untenable, self-contradictory and Qur’an-incompatible .” So
based on your suggestion, each of such Ahadith should be contextualized to get
their real meaning.
next logical question that comes to mind is if such an exercise has not been
mounted for the last millennium, what are the chances of embarking on such an
exercise in this era or any time in future, given that it will require a large
team of Islamic scholars to work together on a mega-project for may be years.
As you know the ‘batn’ of the Hadith is
generally short as illustrated by the one you quoted. But the arguments that is
need to dig out the real meaning will occupy several paragraphs and need an in-depth
knowledge of the Prophetic mission, Qur’anic message and an almost open window
on the personal life of the Prophet. And the singular object of this mega
exercise will be turn what appears apocryphal (unreliable) to what is
established as fact otherwise.
This leads to the obvious question: why not
hold on to “what is established” and simply set the Ahadith which contradict it
or which mean one thing to us and another often conflicting thing to the
Prophet’s companions. Such Ahadith, numerous in number, are quoted by both
Muslim Ulema and those critical Islam conveying a meaning quite different from
what they actually conveyed to the Prophet’s companions, creating much
confusion in religion and giving a false notion about Islam.
In a nutshell, the proposed interpretation
or contextualization of Ahadith that sound apocryphal is something like trying
to learn a language from someone speaking an antiquated language that his
audience understood and are unintelligible to the present day listeners –
virtually a mission impossible. So let us be honest to our faith and accept the
Qur’an and the Qur’an alone as the perfected divine writ of guidance (5:3) – a
book of Wisdom (10:1, 31:2, 43:4, 44:4) that guides to the upright path (sirat
al mustaqim)– the path to taqwa (36:1-3) – a book that makes things clear and
distinct (12:1, 15:1, 16:64, 26:2, 27:1, 36:69, 43:2, 44:2) with all kinds of
illustrations (17:89, 18:54, 30:58, 39:27), and claims to be its own best
interpretation (25:33). It was the Qur’an and Qur’an alone that guided the
Prophet through his Prophetic mission and it was its social, moral, ethical,
intellectual, enlightening and liberating trajectories that enabled the early
Muslims to establish themselves as the most just, respected, peace loving and
caring people – just the opposite of their present day profile. It is not
surprising that the Hadith which on the face of it contradict the Qur’an and
the ground realities of the Prophetic mission have contributed to this
inversion in the image of the Muslims and Islam for the obvious reason that
they are understand inversely or in a distorted manner in relation to how the
Prophet’s companions comprehended them. So rather than mounting a gigantic
exercise to dig into the real meanings of hadith – which even if concluded will
hardly reach the common Muslims, let us singularly focus on the Qur’an and
Qur’an alone for seeking divine guidance – a proposition elaborated in
Defending the Hadith and Its
Compilers – The Great Imams Who Are Sometimes Misunderstood and Even Reviled
more instance of the need for contextualizing the hadith reports is the
Prophetic saying reported in Muslim’s authentic collection of hadiths: "I
will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not
leave any but Muslims" [Muslim]
the above hadith, the Prophet (pbuh) allowed the Jews to stay in Khaybar, which
is also a part of the Arabian Peninsula (جزیرۃ العرب). The Prophet had good relations with the Jews
to the extent that at the time of his death, he had no money and his shield was
being held in mortgage by a Jewish man.
fact, the Prophet talked about particular Jews and Christians who breached the
treaty and he meant only a specific region in the Arabian Peninsula. The
Prophet (pbuh) used the terminology and the language that his companions
understood in the proper context and applied accordingly.
Umar Ibn al-Khattab (r.a) relocated the Jewish tribes of Khaybar and Fadak and
sent them to Tayma and Ariha. While these two regions are also considered part
of the Arabian Peninsula, but still the Jewish tribes were allowed to settle
Abu Bakr (may Allah be pleased with him) became the Caliph, the Jews were at
Khaybar, the Christians were at Najran and the Jews of Yemen were at Yemen and
are still there until today since they were never expelled by Muslims.
explains how the Companions understood the Prophet’s command to expel the Jews
and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula. Thus, we have to know the background
and context of each narration reported from the Prophet (pbuh).
Sultan Shahin sahib,
the need for contextualising Hadees reports, I meant relaying and understanding
the Prophetic traditions and sayings in their contexts, confined and limited to
them only, without giving them wider universal application. Generalization of
hadith reports is not always recommended. Each case has its own circumstances and
what can be applied in a certain area cannot be applied literally in another. For instance, there is a
Prophetic tradition in which he is reported to have forbidden his Companions to
greet some pagans. It was forbidden because those pagans would mock and revile
the Prophet and his Companions whenever they greeted them with peace (Salaam). Having
generalized and misconstrued this hadith, many Muslims of today consider greeting
non-Muslims with “Assalamu Alaikum” as forbidden (haraam).
Dear GRD, I don't understand what you mean by the need for contextualising Hadees reports. I thought that Hadees claims to provide context to Quranic verses. I would request you to explain the following in some detail. Maybe Yunus Saheb needs to step in and help better our understanding. Pardon my ignorance, but do we need some other literature to contextualise Hadees as well?
GRD: "I strongly feel that Islamic reformation can only be possible when Muslims gear up to embrace the notion of contextualising verses of the Qur’an and hadith reports, except for those stressing universal values and essential messages of Islam. All Qur’anic injunctions and Prophetic traditions can only be understood properly when they are kept relevant and confined merely to their particular contexts. However, the essential messages of the Quran and hadith can be applied, anytime and anywhere, to bring about Islamic reformation and renewal in Muslim societies."
As stated in my last comment addressed to
Sultan Shahin Sahab, “we are caught in a deep conspiracy directed against our
faith, not by the Intelligence agencies of America, India, Israel or any
non-Muslim quarter, but by our own fellow Muslims.” The later part of his
presentation exposes some facets of this conspiracy, which I however see in a
far greater scale in reports posted by some radical Muslims – Hirsi Ali’s
recent article and Tareq Sahab’s castigation of Islam/ Muslims on the basis of
merely one example of Muslim mob killing and burning a Muslim woman -
completely disregarding historical relativism. Khaled Abou El Fadl aptly
remarks that the Muslim intellectuals who see their own intellectual
limitations (ugliness) in the mirror of civilization find it convenient as well
as profitable to blame Islam. With this, I come to the question raised in the
oral presentation: “why have the regular calls for "an Islamic
Renaissance" (since early last century) largely gone unanswered?”
My answer: the populist Islam reduced to
the Pillars of Faith and other peripheral rituals virtually frees a Muslim from
the fundamental commandments / Ahkam of the Qur’an and offers an easy path that
suits the Muslim Ulema, political leadership, intellectual elite and the
extremists and fanatics who accordingly resist any ‘Renaissance”
The Qur’an espouses, among other things,
the doing of good deeds, excellence in lawful pursuits, collaborating with the
rest of humanity in all lawful avenues of life, cultivating exemplary conduct and
behaviour, social, moral and ethical awareness, eschewing all kinds of vices -
greed, gluttony, obsession for possession and consumption, excessive suspicion,
hatred of others, lust, lassitude, temptations for exceeding limits and so
forth. It calls for empowering, respecting and caring for women, sharing of
wealth with the community, shunning exclusivist, supremacist and triumphalist
aspirations, making fair payment for goods and services, maintaining integrity
in financial dealings, upholding justice, and cultivating all the noble virtues
- moderation, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy, compassion, kindness to neighbors
and strangers for example that distinguish man from beast.
The Qur’anic tenets collectively constitute
its steep path that the Muslims commit to follow as part of their covenant of
faith – a path that transformed a horde of robbers and camel drivers to the
founders of the greatest civilization of all times.
Take the Qur’anic commandments out of the
package of Islam as is virtually the case with the populist Islam in this era,
the Muslim is free to live like the beast of forest – happy in whatever state
he is, free from any of the above noted and un-noted bindings of the Qur’an –
to be a terrorist, to behead innocent journalists and to commit most brutal
crimes against humanity in the name of Islam.
Hence, there is a tacit conspiracy to set
aside the clear Qur’anic commandments and cling to the highly porous and
exhaustive secondary sources that can readily furnish justification or
precedent for all kinds of vices including terrorism. The conspiracy is also
played by declaring the Qur’an as unintelligible and insisting that it must be
understood in light of the rulings, hypotheses and doctrines of the secondary
But there is light at the end of the
tunnel. With the advent of Internet and corresponding explosive transmission of
knowledge and ease and freedom of expression, and the debunking of the notion
that the Qur’an is too enigmatic to be understood, and the exposition of the
true characters of the twin enemies of Islam – its extremist Ulema and radical
scholars , it is a matter of time that the Qur’an will find its place in the
centre stage of Islamic thoughts and the secondary sources pushed into the
margins or consigned to the archives.
Dear Sultan Shahin sahib,
While talking about the “essential
messages of Islam”
I did not refer to the Qur’anic verses, because they are very
clear, rather intuitive. One needs not to delve deeper in the Qur’an to
understand them. Essential messages of Islam are the universal values
enunciated in numerous verses of the Qur’an such as universal brotherhood of
humanity (Qur’an 49:13), gender equitability (Qur’an 9:71), inclusiveness (Qur’an
49:13) collaboration in goodness (birr) and moral uprightness (Taqwa) (Qur’an,
5:2), pluralism, communal harmony, balance and cooperation (Qur’an 2:143) and
all such moral, social, ethical economic and spiritual trajectories. Their
applicability will remain timeless and universal in each and every context. Therefore,
they need not to be changed, reformed or even rethought.
I strongly feel that Islamic reformation can only be
possible when Muslims gear up to embrace the notion of contextualising verses
of the Qur’an and hadith reports, except for those stressing universal values
and essential messages of Islam. All
Qur’anic injunctions and Prophetic traditions can only be understood properly
when they are kept relevant and confined merely to their particular contexts.
However, the essential messages of the Quran and hadith can be applied, anytime
and anywhere, to bring about Islamic reformation and renewal in Muslim
agree with Mr. Sultan Shahin, Mr. Ghulam Rasool, Mr. Muhammad Yunus, and Mr.
Ghulam Mohiyuddin when they beautifully express the following:
Sultan Shahin: “The truth is these verses came to guide the prophet
in the strife imposed upon him in the early years of Islam”.
Ghulam Rasool: “Dear Sultan Shahin saheb, I must say that this oral
statement is a lucid, comprehensive and subtle coverage of most Jihadist
radicalized literature. One can have a
nuanced understanding of the ideological roots of jihadist theology and
extremist thoughts in the Muslim societies. Thanks for this extraordinary work
and gigantic task. It will prove great help for tackling the extremist and
radical currents such as ISIS and the ilk”.
Muhammad Yunus: “The Qur’an lays down a set of universal or
fundamental principles, notably, doing of good deeds. excellence in lawful
pursuits, collaborating with the rest of humanity in all lawful avenues of
life, exemplary conduct and behaviours, pursuit of knowledge, discharge of
one’s social, moral and ethical responsibilities, empowerment of women, freedom
of religion, equal status of people of other faiths, fair payment for services,
sharing of wealth with the community, integrity in financial dealings, good
business ethics, upholding justice, moderation, tolerance, forgiveness, mercy,
compassion, kindness to neighbours and strangers and so forth”.
Dear Janab Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi Saheb, while thanking you for your kind
comments, I must say I find it very reassuring that a classical scholar like you has used
twice phrases like "essential messages of Islam," and "Islam
in its essential messages." It is essential that we distinguish between
what is essential and what is contextual and allegorical in Quran, the primary sacred
resource for Muslims.
However, you do not
refer to the essential message of Quran. This is not difficult to understand.
You are a madrasa graduate and madrasas do not focus on Qur'anic education. For
madrasas Quran is primarily meant to be
revered as a divine being, God-like, uncreated and an object of pleasing recitation.
The guidance our madrasa-trained scholars do get from Quran is from the writings
of scholars, normally belonging to whatever sect they belong to, about what these
ancient scholars have said about different subjects, occasionally quoting even
from verses of Quran, though primarily depending on a host of secondary sources.
A madrasa-educated Alim's knowledge of
Quran, too, consists primarily of only those verses that have been quoted in
the studies made by these scholars. Independent study of Quran, as a primary
resource for divine guidance, is not the forte of scholars who have gone
through madrasa education from any stream. So Quran is not even taught in our
madrasas for the first 13/14 years of their pupils' education, except, of course,
as an object of parrot-like recitation. Surprisingly, this is the case even in
Salafi-Wahhabi madrasas that claim to be ghair-muqallid,
and are thus supposed to be taking their guidance form primary sources.
This should have meant Quran, but it clearly doesn't. So your lack of reference to Quran is understandable. Still, as I
said before, your use of the word "essential" is very reassuring.
But I am a little
perplexed at the schizophrenia inherent in the following clauses from different
sentences of your comment. On the one hand you say: "we don't have to
reinvent, change or even rethink the essential messages of Islam" ... as ...
"occurred during the Christian Reformation." On the other you say: "
...that can greatly help us in this process of Islamic reformation."
And, you had started with the message: " We are in dire need to build up a
I would suggest, if I
may, do please clarify your thoughts on whether or not there is any need for
reformation in Islam, reformulation of an Islamic narrative, a kind of
renaissance, which of course may not have anything to do with the reformation
in Christianity. Both these religions have followed different trajectories and
had requirements of different sorts of change. But change IS required in Islam
and Muslims' understanding of Islam. We have to develop a coherent narrative of
peace and pluralism, a theology of peace sans contradictions and clarify our
confused thinking at the moment. Instead of schizophrenia, we need clear
thinking. And, more than ever at this
point in history.
Sultan Shahin sahib, your points are well taken. My emphasis was on dissemination, simplicity, lucidity and brevity. I hold no brief for any particular missive.
The millenarian doctrine is almost all Hadith based and must be confronted head on. It must be rejected and labelled as a fanciful lie. Life on earth is not some cosmic drama being played out but an opportunity for individuals to be virtuous citizens and for societies to be harmonious and peaceful havens.Quranic scholars must glean and develop themes of nonviolence and abhorrence of violence (rather than "justifiable violence") as being fundamental in Islam. Battle verses and contingent verses are best left out of sermons and madrasa curricula. Our scholars should build on verses such as "Let there be no compulsion in religion". The only reason given by the Quran for making us "into nations and tribes" is, "so that you may know each other". "Know" is quite different from "fight" or "kill".
The Quran also says, "To each among you have We prescribed a Law and an Open Way. If God had so willed, He would have made you a single People." There can be no more powerful affirmation of pluralism than that!
are in dire need to build up a reform-oriented Islam. For this, we don't have
to reinvent, change or even rethink the essential messages of Islam. But what
we urgently need, at present, is a reform within Islamic countries, Islamic
societies, Islamic seminaries and Islamic curriculums. In fact, Islam in its
essential messages does speak to our modern situations and present-day
problems. But we Muslims are not willing to borrow the light from it. By Islamic
Reformation, I mean a process similar to that which occurred during the
Christian Reformation. However, we cannot simply reject what the ulema and the
traditional Islamic scholars have produced by dint of hard labour over the
centuries. But we must try to think beyond that and formulate new statements
for the present day. Of course, that's not an entirely new project. There are numerous
substantial percents in the past and present Muslim world that can greatly help
us in this process of Islamic reformation.
letter of 174 scholars to Al-Baghdadi needs to be abbreviated, simplified
and circulated widely in the press and on the internet if it is to have any
effect on stemming ISIS's recruitment, " says Ghulam Mohiyuddin Saheb
in another thread.
I am giving below the Executive Summary of the fatwa of a consortium of one
hundred and twenty Islamic Scholars placed onto the internet as an Open Letter
to Islamic State (ISIS) leader Abu Bakr Al-Baghdadi denouncing the
organization’s violent and extremist actions in the Middle East. This bare-bones
summary, however, will influence only those people who give great credibility of
the scholars who signed this statement. But the list of scholars does not
contain classical Islamic scholars from Saudi Arabia, South Asia, South East Asia
or Africa. They are mostly academics and scholars from Egyptian, European, American and non-Saudi
Arab universities and other civil society organisations. none of whom have any
great following among any sections of the masses of Muslims.
the 16-page letter, suffers from several deficiencies. It presents the moderate
theological Islamic viewpoint on various issues of contention. But while it
does point to some dastardly actions of the so-called Islamic State and take into account some statements of Islamic State's ideologues, it does
not refute many of their theological arguments point-by-point as it needs to be done to
have an impact.
There is a reason why Islamic State's ideologues are effective in snatching our children from us and turn them into bombs while we are unable to stop them.
Apart from misrepresenting Islamic standpoint on issues like
Jihad and Qital, Islamic State is also presenting a millenarian thesis based on
allegorical verses of Quran and narrations of Hadees. The malaise is far deeper
and far more complex than could be addressed by simplistic presentations of a
positive moderate view of Islamic theology. A veritable new theology of peace and
co-existence needs to be developed with reference to the theology of violence and
xenophobia being propagated by these and other marauders.
said, the work of these scholars is valuable as far as it goes and, as Ghulam
Mohiyuddin Saheb has said, needs to be propagated as much as possible. It
is available on New Age Islam in the following link:
Full Text of Muslim Theologians' Open Letter to Abu Bakr
Al-Baghdadi, Refuting His Ideology of Jihad That Justifies Killings of Innocent
Civilians, Muslims and Non-Muslims
It is forbidden in Islam to issue fatwas
without all the necessary learning requirements. Even then fatwas must follow
Islamic legal theory as defined in the Classical texts. It is also forbidden to
cite a portion of a verse from the Qur’an—or part of a verse—to derive a ruling
without looking at everything that the Qur’an and Hadith teach related to that
matter. In other words, there are strict subjective and objective prerequisites
for fatwas, and one cannot ‘cherry-pick’ Qur’anic verses for legal arguments
without considering the entire Qur’an and Hadith.
It is forbidden in Islam to issue legal
rulings about anything without mastery of the Arabic language.
It is forbidden in Islam to oversimplify
Shari’ah matters and ignore established Islamic sciences.
It is permissible in Islam [for
scholars] to differ on any matter, except those fundamentals of religion that
all Muslims must know.
It is forbidden in Islam to ignore the
reality of contemporary times when deriving legal rulings.
It is forbidden in Islam to kill the
It is forbidden in Islam to kill
emissaries, ambassadors, and diplomats; hence it is forbidden to kill
journalists and aid workers.
Jihad in Islam is defensive war. It is
not permissible without the right cause, the right purpose and without the
right rules of conduct.
It is forbidden in Islam to declare
people non-Muslim unless he (or she) openly declares disbelief.
10. It is forbidden in Islam to harm or mistreat—in any way—Christians or
any ‘People of the Scripture’.
11. It is obligatory to consider Yazidis as People of the Scripture.
12. The re-introduction of slavery is forbidden in Islam. It was abolished
by universal consensus.
13. It is forbidden in Islam to force people to convert.
14. It is forbidden in Islam to deny women their rights.
15. It is forbidden in Islam to deny children their rights.
16. It is forbidden in Islam to enact legal punishments (hudud ) without
following the correct procedures that ensure justice and mercy.
17. It is forbidden in Islam to torture people.
18. It is forbidden in Islam to disfigure the dead.
19. It is forbidden in Islam to attribute evil acts to God.
20. It is forbidden in Islam to destroy the graves and shrines of Prophets
21. Armed insurrection is forbidden in Islam for any reason other than clear
disbelief by the ruler and not allowing people to pray.
22. It is forbidden in Islam to declare a caliphate without consensus from
23. Loyalty to one’s nation is permissible in Islam.
24. After the death of the Prophet, Islam does not require anyone to
I am in complete agreement with Sultan Shahin Sahab’s comment on verses relating to fighting that: “these verses came to guide the prophet in the strife imposed upon him in the early years of Islam."
What he obviously means is that these verses must be quoted out of context today to overturn their defensive character to an offensive one. I will also add that many of these verse offer general principles of tolerance, patience and forgiveness that one cannot find in secular laws of war, and their presence in the Qur'an is essential to establish the defensive character of the Prophetic mission, lest those opposed to Islam can dismiss it as a religion of violence. Here are some examples: 1. Illustrations from the Uhud battle (625 CE) in which the Prophet fought against an overwhelmingly powerful Meccan army close to his base at Medina some 200 miles or ten days march from Meccai. Verse 4:84. commands the Prophet to "urge the believers to fight without compelling anyone (4:84)." This demonstrates that the Prophet of Islam did not coerce his followers to fight - even when it was to defend the community. ii. verses 3:152-153 declare: Initially, the Muslims made decisive gains, when some of the fighters weakened: they argued over the order and disobeyed after God showed them what they loved of this world (victory/booty) (3:152). They ran off, paying attention to no one and ignoring the Prophet calling them from behind. (The attackers struck back in full force and thus) God repaid them (the Muslims) with affliction upon affliction so that they would not sorrow over what slipped away from them (3:153).Later, the Qur'an confirms that the Prophet was mild to the dissenters: "It was due to mercy from God that the Prophet was mild to the dissenters (who harbored doubts against him during the Uhud battle and defied him) (3:159)."
These verse demonstrate that whereas the Prophet could ‘court-marshal” those who defied orders in the battlefield when fighting was in full steam, he forgave them.
2. Trench War (628 CE): The following Qur'anic record on the trauma the Muslim defenders of Medina went through moment by moment as they watched an approaching confederation of army from distance:
- (As they watched over the horizon) the attackers came on them, waves upon waves. Their eyes dimmed and their hearts rose up to their throats and they imagined (weird) thoughts about God (33:10). This was a moment of trial for the believers as- they were shaken by a most violent shock (33:11).
- The hypocrites wished they were in the desert with the Bedouins, inquiring about the news of the believers (33:20).
- They said what God and the Prophet of God had promised was mere illusion (33:12).
- A party of them said to others to go back as it was no (safe) place for them, and a party of them sought the Prophet’s permission saying that their homes were exposed, though they were not exposed and they only wanted to flee (33:13).