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  • Truth - 2/25/2015 4:37:58 AM
    you were not right person to read on this site.
    excellent people are writing, reading and debating on NAI.

    'Truth' disappeared though the Qur'an says untruth to be disappeared  and truth to remain forever.
    you proved otherwise.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 4:51:39 AM



  • with that i stop reading this abusive website.  By Truth - 2/25/2015 4:39:22 AM



  • whether you defend true version of islam and refute terrorism, or be silent over it, they will never let you leave in peace. which one is better the first one.

    every one is responsible for his own action. ISIL will taste the punishment of hell due to their actions. 
    as for you Muslims, you will not be responsible for their actions only if you are on the right track. so it is better for you all to enjoy your life happily with the true interpretation of Islam. 

    Also because Rational will remain here to abuse your religion. better to stop reading this abusive site.  
    Good bye . Khuda Hafiz 
    By Truth - 2/25/2015 4:37:58 AM



  • @truth the untruth
    I doubt if you or me were created by Allah the sadist God. His existence has no proof.
    one attribute of Allah is makar baaz. Wallho khair ul maakireen. makar baaz yaani dhokebaaz

    mujhe ahsaan framosh kahne se pahle apne allah ke bandon par nazar daaliye jo Quran aur Hadith padhte hain aur logon ko zabah karte hain.
    they are your believer brothers in Allah and Prophet.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/25/2015 3:42:14 AM



  • Ehsan Faramosh rational muhammad yunus.

    Ihsan faramoshi bande ki dekhiye, jisne banaya use usi ki ehsan faroshi....... By Truth - 2/24/2015 11:48:05 PM



  • Lodhia
    an identity and name crazy person. he is interested in identities and names only. Forgets that many Muslims having most beautiful names are criminals.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 11:11:25 PM



  • To: All Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam Forum

     

    It is now becoming increasingly apparent that any questions raised by Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia will be objected to, and worst of all, termed as “Hounding” the commentator.

     

    Well, given this to be the operating rules of the forum, I have no other alternative, but to,  address the respected readers separately.

     

    Ghulam Ghaus Saheb stated as follows:

     

    I believe in the authoritativeness of the holy Quran.

     

    MRL – Let’s hope that Ghaus Saheb will give more guidance using the Qur’anic verses and will depend less on the Hadiths.

     

    I must elaborate it for some lay readers.

     

    MRL – That’s good to know. How can Ghaus Saheb elaborate on the two great Imams as follows:

       

    Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash'ariLink to Wikipedia

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_al-Hasan_al-Ash%27ari

     

    Al-Ash'ari also believed it impermissible to violently oppose a leader even if he were openly disobedient to the commands of the sacred law.

     

    MRL – Does this mean, we should let the corrupt and evil ruler continue to commit crimes? Doesn’t this belief simply allows, a leader to literally disobey the commandments of Holy Qur’an? I am sure, Imam al-Ash'ari was referring “the sacred law,” to the Qur’anic commandments, and not meant it to be the “Authoritativeness of Hadiths.

     

    Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi – Link to the Article

     

    After having put forward the Rational necessity of the narratives being as the source of the knowledge, Maturidi mentioned the necessity of the acceptance of the narrative brought by the Messenger from Allah. Because the narratives brought by the Messenger from Allah are true narratives (al-khabar al-sâdıq)  and due to they have miracles approving their truthfulness, denial of their narratives is impossible. Consequently the truthfulness of the narratives they brought have been verified by Reason. Indeed, Maturidi mentioned that any narratives, its truthfulness and falsehood can be determined by Reason.  Whoever denies such narrative, he denies it due to his pride and his obstinacy and his desire to make hardship. It is obvious that His intention from his explanations related to the narrative of the Messenger is the revelation/Qur’an. He deems the Qur’an as a rational miracle.  Because when the Qur’an was conveyed to the people by the Messenger, he challenged the men of eloquence of the that time, and the wisemen and the poets, and none became successful in presenting its reminiscent. In this sense the Qur’an is a rational miracle and contained the true knowledge. Accordingly, to him, “any narrative is contrary to the rational proofs and the Qur’an must be rejected.

     

    MRL – If Qur’an is a rational miracle and consists of the true knowledge, then why did the followers of Imam Maturidi wholeheartedly believe that it is the “Science of Hadiths,” that consists of true knowledge?

        

    Maturidi regards Reason an essential criterion in verifying the knowledge produced by the other two sources and he establishes the foundation of his view as such: Three things necessitate the Reason and the reasoning. First is that it is necessery to reason in obtaining knowledge through the senses and the narrative. There is a need for reasoning because the senses are insufficient in noticing the things that are far from the senses or the invisible objects due to minimality of  their size. On the other hand, reasoning is needed for determining the narrative whether it is of the type of the one which bears the probability of being mistaken or not, and for distinguishing the miracles of the messengers from the magics of the magicians. Maturidi asserted that in order to extract the truth, in every matter, the reasoning and the thinking are necessary, in other words reasoning is necessary for distinguishing the miracles from non-miraculous behaviours. Allah, substantiated with this reasoning, the other things and the Qur’an which is determined with extraordinary proofs that It is from the side of Allah, and He ordered in many verses  the use of Reason and to resort to rational substantiation.  Second is that Maturidi asserted that reasoning and thinking are needed in finding out the truth in every field about the beauties and the ugliness of the objects, and about the goodness and badness of the actions of the people – even if the perception of the senses and the annunciation of the narratives is to be in question- and reaching the final knowledge in these matters is possible only with Reason.  Thirdly is that knowing Allah and His commands is a matter of acquisiton and intention which can only be known with deduction.

     

    MRL – If reasoning and thinking are need in finding out the truth in every field, then why are the modern day Muslims applying their Almighty Allah given “Common Sense”?

     

    Therefore it should not be false to announce Maturidi as one of the pioneers of “Theological Intellectuality” and his work as a “Classics of theological philosophy.” Therefore Maturidi, accepting “the Reason and the Religion as two important source of knowledge”, gave a great importance to Reason and deduction (istidlâl) in solving the problems of Kalam, and he says about reasoning: “The human being is spearheaded in governing the creatures, and has been distinguished to resist to the hardships in this aim, and to research the intellectually useful things for them, to prefer the good and the beautiful things and to shun what is contrast to them. The means for knowing these matters is using the Reason by the examination of the objects and the events. There is no other method at all. Furthermore, in case of rising of the extraordinary circumstances and the suspicions, the refuge is only the thinking and the deduction.

     

    MRL – In case of rising of the extraordinary circumstances, the one which the Muslims are passing through with the chaos and mayhem created by ISIS, then why this particular forum not interested in encouraging the positive thinking? What’s the point of suppressing the tough questions by excusing it as hounding a commentator?

     

    Respected readers there is nothing much I would like to add, except to state that I have to address my concerns through all of you. There is no need to pressure Ghulam Ghaus Saheb. I simply do not wish to read his comment. For Ghaus Saheb, I am only “Rafiq Lodhia,” as he somehow forgets to insert “Mohammed” as my first name.

     

    Very sincerely yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia     

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/24/2015 9:27:08 PM



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    By Noor Alam - 2/24/2015 5:17:34 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus
    it is because, about other i knew. Sufi are portrayed differently on this forum. so when it comes  from the mouth of Sufis it contradicts the claimed made about Sufism.
    Is hamaam men sab nanage hain
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 3:34:01 AM



  • Mr. Rational, 

    Why do you speak it at individual level. The scholars modern and classical support it but in a legal and just way.

    Ulema of Deoband, Ulema of Sunni; all support it.
     
    Mr. Rational,
     
    Can you please tell me how many do not support it? Do Ulema of Deoband not support it? Do Ahle Hadees not support it? Do Sufi Ulema not support it? Do Shia not support it? Do Sunni not support it? Do 99% percent Muslims not support it? Do Hanafi, Maliki, Shafi, Hambali not support it? 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 3:19:02 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:21:30 AM
    In Islam apostasy is not just abandoning the faith but is a treason against the Islam. it means Islam is political in nature. treason again political entity is understandable but calling it treason to faith system is beyond imagination.
    your sufi peer dr tahir ul qadri is one who demands capital punishment for apostasy.
    who knows what is in your heart? you may be saying khas kam jahan paak
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 3:08:05 AM



  • Mr. Sultan Shahin, please do not take it ill. I just asked you questions. Now, you have acknowledged that you believe that Quran is universal and eternal. That is fine. There is no problem.  By Noor Alam - 2/24/2015 2:58:40 AM



  • Punishment of Apostasy is enacted in Islamic countries. This is common to everyone. The whole Media knows it. 

    But I know only one thing that this punishment is not done in non-Islamic countries.  Even in non-Islamic countries, one should not take the law in hand nor she he declare believers as apostates until they themselves express their apostasy. 


    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:52:22 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:21:30 AM
    tang dili khuda ki dekhiye
    jo hamd karen woh qabil e sataayesh
    jo maan ne se kare inkaar wo qabil e gardan zadni

    yeh kaisa arham ur rahimeen hai jiske kaan taareef se kabhi nahi thakte aur ek aadmi ke inkaar se uski choolen hil jaati hain, badla lene par utar jaata hai
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:51:31 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:23:33 AM
    instead of wanting my coming back, please focus on the questions which are crucial. nobody knows when one can change mind. If Allah has decided otherwise then it is a different matter.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:44:13 AM



  • Comment 14: (for the silent readers)

    It should be noted that Abu Hurayra is rarely recorded as saying “I heard the Messenger of Allah say...” more often he simply narrated Ahadiths indirectly that “the prophet said….” The very simple reason is that he never got all Ahadiths directly from the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, but rather most of Ahadiths he narrated were reported through other companions who spent longer time with the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. So, Abu Hurairah RA learnt by heart Ahadiths not only directly from the holy prophet peace be upon him but also indirectly through the eminent companions. 

    Abu Hurairah learnt by heart 5,374 Hadiths from the holy prophet in about 1,000 days. But only a total of 1,034 Hadiths have been stated by Imam Bukhari in his Jame Al Saheeh, while Imam Muslim mentioned only 391 Hadiths in his Saheeh Muslim from Abu Hurairah RA. However, this does not mean that Imam Bukhari has narrated 1,034 different Ahadith from Abu Hurairah. Many Ahadiths in Hadith books have been repeated with slightly different differences in context or wordings. The example of which can be noticed in earlier comments of mine where the message of Hadith was one but narrated by Hazrat Abu Hurairah with slightly different wordings.

    According to Fathul Bari written by Allama Hajar Asqalani, there are no more than 446 Ahadiths from Abu Hurairah in Saheeh Bukhari and the rest are just repetitions. The matter is not restricted only to Saheeh Bukhari, but many of these Ahadith are repeated across various Hadith books. For example according to a count in Syar Alam Annobala written by Al-Dhahabi, if we count Ahadith from Abu Hurairah in Saheeh Muslim (ignoring the repeated Ahadiths), we will come up with the total figure not more than 98 Ahadiths that are different from those narrated in Saheeh Bukhari. So, the total number of Ahadiths from Abu Hurairah RA in Saheeh Bukhari and Saheeh Muslim (ignoring the repeated Ahadiths) is no more than 544 Ahadiths (446+98).

    Here I should also remove an erroneous illusion or point about Hazrat Abu Hurairah RA. The critics think that all narrations of Abu Hurairah from the holy prophet peace be upon him

    Abu Hurairah RA is a famous narrator of Hadith among the mainstream Muslims. Just as we cannot rule out the fact that some Ahadith have been falsely attributed to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, so too we cannot deny this possibility that there could be fabricated Ahadith that are falsely attributed to Abu Hurairah RA.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:40:12 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:23:33 AM
    The truth of believers can't be concealed. one should not wonder why Muslims demand capital punishment for apostates/blasphemers.
    whetehr the Quran prescribes or not Islam puts apostate to death.
    your statements are eye openers as they are coming from Sufi, moderate hanafi scholar of Islam.
    writing about inclusiveness, compassion, common values anti-extremism are just throwing chillies into the eyes of readers.
    i never wonder when such comments are made from Sufis.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:37:58 AM



  • Mr. Rational, 
    I have still kindness for you and i would like you to return to Islam. 
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:37:18 AM



  • Mr. Noor Alam, there are many sings of Kharijites. I will share it with you one by one, if time permits me.

    Ibn Kathir writes:

    “If the Khawarij ever gained power, they would corrupt the entire earth, Iraq, and Syria. They would not leave a boy or a girl or a man or a woman, for in their view the people have become so corrupt that they cannot be reformed except by mass killing”. (Source: Al-Bidayah wa Nihayah 10/584)

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:31:20 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:21:30 AM
    thanks for showing religious kindness(?) and revealing truth believers have in their hearts for apostates.
    however the questions are valid and need explanations.
    who is right you, or Mr Lodhia/Sultan Shahin/Observer/mohammed yunus
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:30:12 AM



  • An open enemy is preferable to a hidden friend. By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:25:24 AM



  • An experienced truth is that Jews, Christians, Hindus, Buddhists are better than apostates. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:23:33 AM



  • "Ahle quran in previous centuries killed many innocent muslims." Aslam

    So the killing is not new. ahle al quran are not free from this diseases. new circumstances have given them some opportunities to ahl ul Quran.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:22:26 AM



  • Our elders have prohibited us believers from being closer to apostates because once they leave Islam they lose the eternal blessings of Allah Almighty and thus create nothing but harmful things.  
    This kind of suggestion of our elders is good for maintaining peace. 
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:21:30 AM



  • Muslims must not obey apostates or non-Muslims or so-called Muslims in the religious matters which are anti Islam. They can not think good for the faith of believers and for the security of the believers. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:15:35 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:05:18 AM
    i have more interest in the Quran and hadith as an apostate.
    The Quran needs to be examined for its/muslims' claims.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 2:14:06 AM



  • Mr. Rational,

    Is the statement "There is no apostate in the world who sticks to his home, being at peace. He creates tensions after leaving Islam" is true or untrue?
     
    Please reply.    
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:11:18 AM



  • Mr. Rational, 

    You have said that you doubt the holy Quran then why have you quoted the holy book of Allah in which there is no doubt for the believers. 

    You have already declared your apostasy. 
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 2:05:18 AM



  • Mr. Noor Alam,   please don't put words into my mouth. That Quran is not universal and eternal is your view, not mine. When you want to quote me, please copy from my articles and put inverted commas on both sides of the quote. That's the way to go about quoting others' opinions.

    In any case, in this thread you are dealing with Ghulam Ghaus Saheb's views on "Shared Values among Religions and the Call for Interfaith Dialogue."

    By Sultan Shahin - 2/24/2015 2:04:13 AM



  • Ahle Quran is Munkirine Hadith and Ahle Hadees are munkirine Fiqah.

    Ahle quran in previous centuries killed many innocent muslims. Similarly, many ahlehadeesi though not all are killing innocent muslims. so much similarity between them. Both are dangerous for iman and as well as for lives. 

    By Aslam - 2/24/2015 1:59:10 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 1:38:23 AM
    you have replied none. what you have said is to understandan the authoritativeness of the quran and Hadith. these both are different. right.
    my question is why the Quran is created for ahl ul Quran who claim to understand the Quran more than you?
    You seem to be weak before ahl ul quran in this debate. Finally you cling more to traditional interpretation.
    if the Qur'an is uncreated, its laws are uncreated means universal.
    I dare to say that to you bulk of Ahadith is also universal to you. you have no moral ground to call extremists Gumrah. they too believe in a way you believe.

    "Verily, those who [despite all evidence] are bent on denying the truth - [be they] from among the followers of earlier revelation or from among those who ascribe divinity to aught beside God - will find themselves in the fire of hell, therein to abide: they are the worst of all creatures. S. 98:6 Asad"

    what is your stand on above verse? Is not it universal because majority of ahl e kitan reject the Quran as God book and hz moahmmed as His prophet.
    Is not this kufr?
    this verse is not inclusive at all. It is al-furqan.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 1:53:58 AM



  • Comment 13 (for the silent readers):

    As earlier in one of my comments I said that the critics and accusers targeted Abu Hurairah RA, that too, by trusting Abu Hurairah (radiallah anhu) himself and Imam Bukhari. The source of their information that Abu Hurairah told more narrations from the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was following hadees itself without having trust on which it was beyond their imagination to know whether Abu Hurairah RA had more narrations from the prophet peace be upon him.

    During the era of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and the eminent companions, Abu Hurairah was well known for his memorizing more hadeeses. No one criticized him nor did anyone accuse him of fabrication. Only emigrants and Ansar wondered at the memorizing ability of Hazrat Abu Hurairah (radiallah anhu). However, we also know that Abu hurairah (radiallah anhu) already explained causes of this wonderful act of memorizing and telling more narrations as mentioned in the following Ahadiths:

    Narated by Abu Huraira: You people say that Abu Huraira tells many narrations from Allah's Apostle and you also wonder why the emigrants and Ansar do not narrate from Allah's Apostle as Abu Huraira does. My emigrant brothers were busy in the market while I used to stick to Allah's Apostle content with what fills my stomach; so I used to be present when they were absent and I used to remember when they used to forget, and my Ansari brothers used to be busy with their properties and I was one of the poor men of Suffa. I used to remember the narrations when they used to forget. No doubt, Allah's Apostle once said, "Whoever spreads his garment till I have finished my present speech and then gathers it to himself, will remember whatever I will say." So, I spread my coloured garment which I was wearing till Allah's Apostle had finished his saying, and then I gathered it to my chest. So, I did not forget any of those narrations. (Saheeh Bukhari- Volume 003, Book 034, Hadith Number 263)

    The same Hadith has been narrated by Abu Hurairah with slightly different wordings in another chain of transmission (SANAD):

    Narated By Abu Huraira: People say that I have narrated many Hadiths (The Prophet's narrations). Had it not been for two verses in the Qur'an, I would not have narrated a single Hadith, and the verses are:

    "Verily those who conceal the clear sign and the guidance which We have sent down . . . (up to) Most Merciful." (2:159-160). And no doubt our Muhajir (emigrant) brothers used to be busy in the market with their business (bargains) and our Ansari brothers used to be busy with their property (agriculture). But I (Abu Huraira) used to stick to Allah's Apostle contented with what will fill my stomach and I used to attend that which they used not to attend and I used to memorize that which they used not to memorize” (Saheeh Bukhari)

    About the unforgettable memory of Abu Hurairah RA one more hadees is mentioned in Saheeh Bukhari with a slight difference:

    Narated By Abu Huraira: I said, "O Allah's Apostle! I hear many narrations from you but I forget them." He said, "Spread your covering sheet." I spread my sheet and he moved both his hands as if scooping something and emptied them in the sheet and said, "Wrap it." I wrapped it round my body, and since then I have never forgotten a single Hadith. (Saheeh Bukhari Volume 004, Book 056, Hadith Number 841)

    Now there is no doubt that Abu Hurairah RA had already told causes of his narrating more hadeeses much before the accusers and critics were born. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 1:42:23 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:50:54 AM
    Why Mr Lodhia misunderstood it? i may have ill intentions as unbeliever, but why Mr Lodhia an ahl ul Quran will misunderstand it.
    why two belivers in the same book don't reach to single right understanding? Why the Quran fails to guide you both?
    the problem is neither with you nor with Mr Lodhia. it is the the Quran which can't be understood correctly.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 1:38:50 AM



  • Mr. Rational, 
    Please bother to read my previous comments. I have answered you. 
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 1:38:23 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:50:54 AM
    As per your recent fatwa addresses to Rafiq Lodhia, i find myself in Kafirs because i doubt if the Qur'an is word of God. I also doubt in prophet-hood.
    you have not replied what i have asked.
    Please re-read my comment and answer one by one.


    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/24/2015 1:18:07 AM



  • The gap among laymen and Islamic scholars is unable to resolve the newly rising problems.

    True Ulema, if they are reading this site, must come to defend the true version of Islam. If they are not reading this site, at least the laymen must go to them and get such issues resolved; otherwise such a gap will create a lot of tensions among Muslims. 

    It should also be noticed that such tensions will not harm the true believers of Islam in matter of faith, but rather the tension-promoters will harm themselves and will be deprived of blessings of Allah Almighty in the world and the hereafter.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:59:06 AM



  • Mr. Rational, 
    Please understand the difference of authoritativeness of hadith institution and authenticity of any hadith. Both are different. 
    To check the authenticity of any hadith is the secondary matter But to believe into the obedience of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and thus authoritativenss of Hadith institution is is approved from the holy Quran. 
    Please understand it. As you and your fellow Mr. Rafiq Lodhia have misunderstood this difference.  
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:50:54 AM



  • Dear Noor, I have read that hadith and i am looking for that.

    As for the kharijites, The holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him has already predicted the sings of Kharijites. The Kharijties have been successful, recruiting ignorant or desperate Muslims. The Prophet peace be upon him described them as using beautiful Islamic rhetoric and selling “foolish dreams” to the Muslim masses.

    Ali ibn Abu Talib radiallah anhu reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said:

    يَأْتِي فِي آخِرِ الزَّمَانِ قَوْمٌ حُدَثَاءُ الْأَسْنَانِ سُفَهَاءُ الْأَحْلَامِ يَقُولُونَ مِنْ خَيْرِ قَوْلِ الْبَرِيَّةِ يَمْرُقُونَ مِنْ الْإِسْلَامِ كَمَا يَمْرُقُ السَّهْمُ مِنْ الرَّمِيَّةِ لَا يُجَاوِزُ إِيمَانُهُمْ حَنَاجِرَهُمْ

    “In the last days, there will be young people with foolish dreams. They will say the best of words in creation but they will pass through Islam just as an arrow passes through its game. Their faith will not go beyond their throats”. (Sahih Bukhari 4770, Grade: Muttafaqun Alayhi)

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:45:52 AM



  • Continuation of the comments for other silent readers:

    COMMENT 12:

    It is widely known among the scholars of Ahadith that Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) was very keen to seek knowledge. He was not literate, that was why all his knowledge depended on oral transmission and memorization. Once he told the Prophet: "I hear many Hadiths from you but I forget them." The Prophet said, "Spread your covering sheet." Abu Hurairah spread the sheet and the Prophet moved both his hands (as if scooping something) and emptied them in the sheet and said, "Wrap it." Abu Hurairah wrapped it around his body, and since then he never forgot a single Hadith." This was a miracle. And he retained more than 5,000 Hadiths word for word, throughout his life.

    Once upon a time Marwaan Ibn Al-Hakam tested Abu Hurairah's memorizing capacity. He invited him to sit with him and asked him to narrate Hadiths while a scribe who had already been told to write whatever Abu Hurairah RA said sat behind a screen. After a year, Marwaan invited Abu Hurairah again and asked him to narrate the same Hadiths that the scribe had written. It was confirmed that Abu Hurairah narrated the same hadiths and did not forget or miss a single word!

    Learning by heart 5,000 Hadiths during 3 years or about 1095 days is not a big issue. Per day only 5 Hadiths are required to be memorized. Our children in Madarsas learn by heart the whole Quran word to word during two to three years. They are easily able to retain it till the last breath of their life. Everyone can witness it during the Ramadhan Taraweeh. So, this was more possible for a great companion whose unforgettable and sharp memory was the result of the holy prophet’s prayers. His work was only to learn by heart and retained whatever the prophet peace be upon him would say. He was unlike many of the prominent companions who used to be busy in different pieces of work.     

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:35:19 AM



  • Among the signs of various types of Kharijites is that they will read the holy Quran, but its message will not pass their throats.

    And also that they will say that we do not need need Hadith for religion. Where is this hadith, I want to see it? 

    By Noor Alam - 2/24/2015 12:32:39 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    I believe in the authoritativeness of the holy Quran. 
    Whosoever does not believe in the authoritativeness of the Quran is a kaafir and kaafir and Kaafir. This is the faith of every school of thought. Hanafi, Shafi, Maliki and Hambali. This is also my Fatwa.  By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:26:54 AM



  • I will not ignore you Mr. Rafiq Lodhia and Mr. Rational. Just coming.
    Thanks for your comments.
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/24/2015 12:21:26 AM



  • Mr. Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث,

    1.     “The message of the holy Quran for calling the believers not to wage offensive fight, oppression, aggression, injustice, terrorism, violence is universal and eternal.

    2.    The Message of the holy Quran for defending the oppressed and human rights including right to life, right to security, right to freely practice religious obligations, is universal and eternal”.

    The ‘moderate’ of this site does not support your two points. They believe the Quran is not universal.

    Let the following comparison between Mr. Sultan Shahin and Mr. Ghulam Ghaus up to the readers:

    Mr. Ghulam Ghaus:  “The message of the holy Quran for calling the believers not to wage offensive fight, oppression, aggression, injustice, terrorism, violence is universal and eternal”.

    Mr. Sultan Shahin believes that the Quran is not universal and not eternal. Let me ask him does he believe “The message of the holy Quran for calling the believers not to wage offensive fight, oppression, aggression, injustice, terrorism, violence is not universal and not eternal?.

    Mr. Ghulam Ghaus says: “The Message of the holy Quran for defending the oppressed and human rights including right to life, right to security, right to freely practice religious obligations, is universal and eternal”.

    Mr. Sultan Shahin believes that the Quran is not universal and not eternal. So, does he believe that “The Message of the holy Quran for defending the oppressed and human rights including right to life, right to security, right to freely practice religious obligations, is not universal and not eternal”? By Noor Alam - 2/24/2015 12:19:04 AM



  • Ghulam Ghaus Saheb,

     

    From your comment, it is obvious that you chose to avoid answering some of the questions which I have raised. That’s fine and dandy.

     

    Now, I would like you to clarify one point, that is, “I acknowledge this faith.” May I ask, “What faith are you referring to?”

     

    No one is distorting your words. On the contrary, you have been rather vague and unable to answer tough questions. Now, the readers know better.

     

    Amazingly, the school of thought which you, claim to believe in, must have taught you not to believe in the “Authoritativeness of Qur’an. Your remaining faithful to certain other doctrine is all too visible. That’s your choice, but before you speak about Islam, at least be courteous to let the readers know about your doctrine and faith, whatever it may be. I believe that this is a fair request to make.  

     

    Thank you for enlightening many readers of “New Age Islam” forum. Now we all know how far apart Muslims have become by ignoring the “Divine” book recognized by close to 1.6 billion Muslims around the world as Holy Quran.

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia  

     

    cid:image001.jpg@01D0460A.B0B45550  mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/24/2015 12:05:56 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 11:02:25 PM
    What about derogatory insulting Ahadith mentioned in the Sahih books? if the collectors vere so pious how these ahadith entered into dahih books? Is there any effort being carried out by Sufi scholars to remove maudu and dhaif ahadith from Sahih books? or those ahadith are not insulting?
    what is your position? if the Quran mentions an event of marriage of zainab and hz mohammed and it is supported by Sahih Hadith how it is insulting to prophet?  
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/23/2015 11:55:01 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 11:02:25 PM
    You quote the Quran, Ahadith and opinions of scholars to prove that the Quran is uncreated. while ahle al quran quote the Quran to prove the Quran is created. why the Qur'an is not clear on this simple matter a faith of massive majority of Muslims?
    both can't be true. either you or they are wrong. who is responsible for that?
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/23/2015 11:49:07 PM



  • Hadith on Khawarij: Signs of The Kharijites; they come with beautiful preaching but evil deeds

    Hazrat Anas ibn Malik  reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “There will be dissension and division in my nation and a people will come with beautiful words but evil deeds. They recite the Quran but it will not pass beyond their throats. They will leave the religion as an arrow leaves its target and they will not return until the arrow returns to its notch. They are the worst of the creation. Blessed are those who fight them and are killed by them. They call to the Book of Allah but they have nothing to do with it. Whoever fights them is better to Allah than them.” They said, “O Messenger of Allah, what is their sign?” The Prophet said, “Shaving.”

    Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4765, Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani

    Al-Kirmani said, “Shaving could mean that they shave the head, the beard, and all of their hair, or shaving could be a rhetorical expression for their extremism in killing and contradicting the religious commands.”

    By Noor Alam - 2/23/2015 11:46:33 PM



  • Two points to remember: 

     

    ·         The message of the holy Quran for calling the believers not to wage offensive fight, oppression, aggression, injustice, terrorism, violence is universal and eternal.

    ·          The Message of the holy Quran for defending the oppressed and human rights including right to life, right to security, right to freely practice religious obligations, is universal and eternal.

        

    These messages of the holy Quran are eternal and universal.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 11:37:20 PM



  • The holy Quran is an uncreated book of Allah Almighty. This is the faith of the massive majority of the Muslims as held by all the previous pious great scholars of Islam and the two Masters, Imam Abu al-Hasan al-Ash`ari and Imam Abu Mansur al-Maturidi and their respective schools. I acknowledge this faith and Inshallah will remain with this doctrine with firmness.

    I must request everyone for not distorting my words.

    I must elaborate it for some lay readers.

    In certain conditions, the message of not waging fight is universal and eternal.

    The message of defending lives is universal and eternal.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 11:02:25 PM



  • To: All the Muslim Readers @ New Age Islam forum

     

    As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    A Group of Concerned Moderate Muslims” have collectively decided to launch the blog, appropriately named as, www.readingislving.com, which is not only timely, but it is highly recommended.

     

    Reading about the “Evils of Terrorism, each and every Muslim must at least make a sincere attempt to read one of the most important paragraphs written by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad (May Almighty Allah rest his soul in peace) in his book titled, “The Tarjuman al-Quran, as follows:

     

    “The greatest mistake man has made in his approach to the concept of God is that he has very often regarded God as the God, not of love, but  of terror. The very first word of the chapter sets right this age-long deviation from truth. It begins with hamd or the praise of God. It is a term signifying the most beautiful form of praise! ‘Praise beautiful’ is possible only of a being who truly is beautiful and good. The term cannot therefore sustain the concept of terror. The being which is Mahmud or worthy of ‘the praise beautiful’ will never inspire terror.”

     

    We, the Moderate Muslims, must now question the evildoers in our midst as to what have they learned by reciting “Surat-ul-Fatiha every single day in their daily prayers. What inspires the “Muslim Jihadists” to conduct an act of terror, must now become our first and foremost concern.

     

    As a humble Muslim, I invite all of my good friends to “READ & REFLECT,upon the very meaning of “Surat-ul-Fatiha. Most certainly, we simply cannot go out into the  war zone to preach, but we sure can dedicate small amount of our precious time to spread “Good Words, to whom we know, as well as to those who seek to have a better understanding about the great religion of Islam.

     

    Compassionately yours, 

     

    mohammed rafiq lodhia

     

      


    to a humble reader: www.readingisliving.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/23/2015 8:28:27 PM



  • Good Morning Ghulam Ghaus Saheb,

     

    As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    Good to read your response. Now, allow me to respond to you in a step-by-step manner as follows:

     

    GG – I do not answer when you stay, “Shame on all the scholars.

     

    MRL – What do you expect Muslims possessing “Common Sense, to think about the sheer inability of Islamic scholars to discard the weak (daif) and/or fabricated  Hadiths for the past 1,200 years? Certainly, one would conclude that it is nothing but a shameful act, isn’t it? You devoted your life studying about the “Science of Hadiths,” and even you cannot pinpoint where the problem lies. Why are you so upset on reading a truthful comment from a Muslim layman. That’s how many of the ordinary Muslims think. Let’s say, at least those who are sane and educated enough, to call spade a spade.

     

    GG – the Qur’an is uncreated.

     

    MRL – I am puzzled with the usage of the word, “uncreated.” Though, I did noticed that in your entire rebuttal, you conveniently avoided mentioning “Authoritativeness of Qur’an.” Instead you explicitly stated that the “mainstream Muslims in this push-button age believe in uncreatedness of the Qur’an and authoritativeness of Hadith.”    

     

    Given this to be your staunch belief then, I can pretty much assume that you have some kind of objection with the word “Divine. Meaning relating to or coming from God, or, in your words, Allah Almighty.

     

    For your kind information, the meaning of “uncreated,” in Merriam Webster is as follows:

     

    not existing by creation : eternal, self-existent

     

    not yet created

     

    I am afraid that owing to your obsession only on “Authoritativeness of Hadiths, you might have ignored “Surah: Al-‘Alaq” which reads as follows:    

     

    Holy Quran – The Clot – Chapter: 96 – Visit the blog: readingisliving.com

     

    In the Name of Allah, The Compassionate, The Merciful

     

    Read: In the name of thy Lord Who createth,

    Createth man from a clot.

    Read: And thy Lord is the Most Bounteous,

    Who teacheth by the pen,

    Teacheth man that which he knew not.

    Nay, but verily man is rebellious

    That he thinketh himself independent!

    Lo! unto thy Lord is the return.

    Hast thou seen him who dissuadeth

    A slave when he prayeth ?

    Hast thou seen if he relieth on the guidance (of Allah)

    Or enjoineth piety ?

    Hast thou seen if he denieth (Allah’s guidance) and is froward ?

    Is he then unaware that Allah seeth ?

    Nay, but if he cease not We will seize him by the forelock -

    The lying, sinful forelock –

    Then let him call upon his henchmen!

    We will call the guards of hell.

    Nay, Obey not thou him. But prostrate thyself, and draw near (unto Allah).

     

    Ghulam Ghaus Saheb, help me and the rest of the readers to understand the meaning of “Surah: Al-‘Alaq” based upon the “Science of Hadiths.”  I am curious to know as to, why did you use the word “uncreated,” knowing fully well about the historical aspect about the particular verse in our Holy Qur’an.  

     

    GG – obeys (but) Allah indeed.

     

    MRL – Your inserting of (but) is quite disturbing. I am not sure why, but I would like to know the reason for enclosing this very word in brackets. Here’s the translation of the verse 4:79 & 80 by Maulana Abul Kalam Azad (May Almighty Allah rest his soul in peace):

     

    “(Say to every one of them): ‘Whatever good betideth thee is from God and whatever evil betideth thee is from themselves, and that We have (O Prophet) sent thee to mankind only as a messenger, and all-sufficing is God as witness.” Verse: 4:79

     

    “Whoso obeyeth the Apostle, he indeed, obeyeth God. And for those who turn away, We have not sent thee as their keeper.” Verse: 4:80.

     

    GG – until they trust Imam Bukhari or Abu Hurairah.

     

    MRL – In case, you have missed reading my comment, I clearly declared, “Relentlessly, creating doubts after doubts by consistently arguing that Quran cannot be understood until and unless its verses are verified with the compilation of Hadiths by Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim is beyond my comprehension. Let me put it on record that, I am not being disrespectful to these two giant Islamic scholars. Their scholarly works are treasured by many.” Are you advocating to all Muslims that we have to rely on the sayings recorded by humans rather than the divinely revealed commandments of Almighty Allah? If not then, can you be a little more specific about what you are trying to tell us.   

     

    Once again, I want you, as well as the readers of “New Age Islam” forum, to be completely aware of the fact that you, Ghulam Ghaus Saheb, do not approve of the importance of “Authoritativeness of Qur’an.Respecting that it’s your personal viewpoint, and instead of evading it, you should proclaim it openly. What’s the point is neatly covering up under a newly tossed word, “uncreated.”?

     

    Awaiting the favor of your early reply,

     

    Very sincerely yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia 

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com




       


     

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/23/2015 3:50:50 PM



  • COMMENT 12:

    It is widely known among the scholars of Ahadith that Abu Hurairah (May Allah be pleased with him) was very keen to seek knowledge. He was not literate, that was why all his knowledge depended on oral transmission and memorization. Once he told the Prophet: "I hear many Hadiths from you but I forget them." The Prophet said, "Spread your covering sheet." Abu Hurairah spread the sheet and the Prophet moved both his hands (as if scooping something) and emptied them in the sheet and said, "Wrap it." Abu Hurairah wrapped it around his body, and since then he never forgot a single Hadith." This was a miracle. And he retained more than 5,000 Hadiths word for word, throughout his life.

    Once upon a time Marwaan Ibn Al-Hakam tested Abu Hurairah's memorizing capacity. He invited him to sit with him and asked him to narrate Hadiths while a scribe who had already been told to write whatever Abu Hurairah RA said sat behind a screen. After a year, Marwaan invited Abu Hurairah again and asked him to narrate the same Hadiths that the scribe had written. It was confirmed that Abu Hurairah narrated the same hadiths and did not forget or miss a single word!

    Learning by heart 5,000 Hadiths during 3 years or about 1095 days is not a big issue. Per day only 5 Hadiths are required to be memorized. Our children in Madarsas learn by heart the whole Quran word to word during two to three years. They are easily able to retain it till the last breath of their life. Everyone can witness it during the Ramadhan Taraweeh. So, this was more possible for a great companion whose unforgettable and sharp memory was the result of the holy prophet’s prayers. His work was only to learn by heart and retained whatever the prophet peace be upon him would say. He was unlike many of the prominent companions who used to be busy in different pieces of work. By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 7:24:38 AM



  • Comment 11:

    The question is as to how can Abu Hurairah (May Allah be please with him) who lived in the company of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) just for three years (according to a narration by Abu Hurairah RA) learnt by heart more than 5000 Ahadith.

    Before answering this I need to draw the attention of readers towards the very fact that Abu Hurairah RA himself had told that he lived three years in the company of the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. There is a hadith in Saheeh Bukhari:

    Abu Huraira (May Allah be please with him) narrates: “I enjoyed the company of Allah’s Apostle for three years, and during the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the (Prophet’s) traditions as I was during those three years”.

    How have those who criticise and accuse Abu Hurairah RA of fabrication of Hadith got to know that Abu Hurairah R.A. lived with the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) just for three years? Have they applied their mind on their own or fabricated their own sayings? None of them can prove that they have come to know about it on their own or from other sources until they trust Imam Bukhari or Hazrat Abu Hurairah RA.

    The critics and accusers have known the years that Abu Hurairah RA lived in the company of Allah’s apostle by the narration of Abu Hurairah RA himself. It means even the critics and accusers trust the Hadeeses narrated by Abu Hurairah RA. But this they unfortunately realize not. Should I call them blind disbelievers or remain silent at their blind disbelief? No, I should not call them this way.

    But right now I cannot help requesting all those who do not trust Saheeh Bukhari and Abu Hurairah RA to leave this debate as they cannot make any question until they trust Imam Bukhari or Abu Hurairah (question as Abu Hurairah RA live in the company of the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him just for three years)    

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 7:22:42 AM



  • Comment 10:

    There were some companions who used to pass their whole time, so to say, at the feet of the Holy Prophet Muhmmad peace be upon him. There was a raised platform namely “Suffa” near the Holy Prophet’s residential room and the mosque. I don’t know whether this “Suffa” still exists in Arab or has been demolished by Saudi government.  A group of students used to occupy this raised platform permanently. They are called people of Suffa (Ashabe Suffa). Their work was nothing but to learn by heart whatever they heard from the Holy Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Abu Hurairah was one of those “people of Suffa”. He was endowed with a powerful memory by the prayer of the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, remembered more than 5000 Ahadith and reported them.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 5:57:58 AM



  • The holy companions R.A. (Sahaba-e-Karam) preserved Hadeeses and Sunna of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, passing most of their time in the company of the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Their love for the beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him was so much that they used to memorise every reported speech, action or tacit approval (Taqreer- what was said or done by a companion in front of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon and the latter did not condemn it). The purpose of their life was only to achieve the pleasure of Allah Almighty and his blessed prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. 

    The holy companions were given different status in respect of guiding people in matters of religion and law. “The holy prophet peace be upon him called Abu Bakr as “the greatest person outside the category of prophets”. He said about Umar RA “If there had been a prophet after me, Umar had been that prophet”. He described Usman RA as “the most perfect in piety”. He said about Ali RA: “I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate”. Similarly the distinguished were: Hazrat Aisha, the beloved wife of the holy prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, Abdullah bin Umar, Abdullah bin Abbas and Abdullah bin Masu’d (May Allah be Pleased with them) etc. Obeying the divine advice: “Ask those who possesses the Message” If ye do not know” (the holy Quran 21:7), even the prominent preservers of Hadees (Huffaze Hadees) among the companions used to come to these distinguished personalities to resolve the religious and legal problems and thus would subject their own understanding and interpretation to the interpretation of the holy Quran and the Hadees given by them.

    “Abu Huraira (May Allah be pleased with him) was one of those eminent Companions who were distinguished in the line of preserving and reporting the Holy Prophet's Traditions, and this is borne out by the large number of Traditions reported by him and included in the books of Hadith. But it is a fact well-known to the students of the history of Companions, that whenever someone was confronted with any religious or legal problem, he would not approach Companions like Abu Huraira (R.A.) but those who were considered Fuqaha (i.e., men of grasp and understanding). It was this latter class whose verdict (fatwa) was relied upon and whatever interpretation they gave to the Sayings and Actions of the Holy Prophet (peace be with him) was accepted”. (“The history of the Codification of Islamic Law- chapter 4, “the preservers of Hadith and Scholars of Law Among the Companions” by Allama Abdul Aleem Siddiqui Al-Qadri RA)

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 5:50:15 AM



  • The depth study of the holy Quran tells us that Allah Almighty has ultimate sovereignty (Haqeeqi Hakmiyat) and He Almighty has given the prophet manifestative sovereignty (Niyabati Hakmiyat) in Islam. In other words, the holy Quran should be the first and Hadees second to resolve the rising problems.

    After accepting authoritativeness of Hadees, we should apply our minds whether the Hadees is authentic (Saheeh) or Weak (dhaif) or Fabricated.

    It should also be noted that whether Hadees is Saheeh (authentic) or weak (dhaif) is hadees in either case. No scholar during 1400 years has expelled weak narration out of hadees. The only difference between them is of preference only when both Saheeh and Weak narrations talk about the same thing in a binary way. At the time of practice we have to adopt Saheeh hadees and leave the weak narration.

    You should also know as to what kind of legal values can be deduced through saheeh hadees or weak hadees. The legal values coming out of saheeh hadees may be Mandatory (Farz) or Imperative (Wajib) or Mandatory Recommendation (Sunnat-e-Muakkadah). But the legal values coming out of weak hadees may not be like the mentioned ones but either directory recommendation (Sunnat-e- Ghair Muakkdah) or commendable (Mustahab) or improper (Mubah) where you have a choice either to follow or leave it.

    As far as fabricated hadees (Mauzu Hadees) is concerned, it is not a hadees in actual sense. The scholars of hadees say it only metaphorically. The scholars of hadees majorly divide hadees into two; Saheeh and Dhaif. When we say hadees we mean the sayings of our beloved prophet and not the fabricated sayings made by enemies of Islam in order to create doubts into the hearts of believers regarding authoritativeness of Hadees. Thanks Allah Almighty for creating great Imams, Jurists, Scholars of Hadees who scrutinised hadeeses on the basis of sciences of Jarah wa Tadeel and Asma al-rijal and expelled out fabricated sayings.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 5:42:53 AM



  • Dear brothers in reciting Kalima,

    My duty is not to force you but to tell you that authoritativeness of the Hadith is proved from the holy Quran. As for the subject matter of authenticity of any particular Hadith, whether this is exactly hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him or the fabricated one, this subject is entirely different from the topic of authoritativeness of Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

    Dear brothers,

    Faith in Islam is not the matter of the game played for winning or losing.

    Faith in Islam is not the matter of trade or business.

    Faith in Islam is not the matter of being subjected to any leadership.

    Faith in Islam is not the matter of forcing someone to be subjected to one’s belief.

    Mutazila, in their times, forced the believers in uncreatedness of the Quran to declare Quran as a created book by challenging them with the then sword and punishment. Despite that, the true believers remained on their faith of uncreatedness of the Quran even at the cost of their lives.

    You must have known that Mutazila also forced the then believers to disbelieve in the authoritativeness of Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

    Many debates on the relative issues were held, but the then peerless jurists and scholars of Islam who had the right understanding of Quran and Hadith were steadfast with their genuine theological and rational ground, with the help of Allah Almighty.

    Majority Mainstream Muslims in this push-button age believe in uncreatedness of the Quran and authoritativeness of Hadith. By believing so, they are moderate, peaceful, and tolerant and are refuting terror ideologues in a convincing manner. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 5:35:36 AM



  • Dear Rafiq Lodhia and Asif saheban,

    Authoritativeness of Hadith of the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is approved from the holy Quran, the divine book of Allah Almighty.

    Allah Almighty commands us to make our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a judge in every dispute.

    “So, (O Beloved,) by your Lord, they cannot become true believers until they make you a judge in every dispute that arises amongst them, and thereafter they do not feel any resentment in their hearts against the judgment that you make, and submit (to your decision) gladly, with total submission”. (4:65)

    Additionally, other verses ask us to follow and obey the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

    Not only this, even we Muslims are very clear that obeying the Messenger of Allah Almighty (peace be upon him) is tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. In other words, to obey the message of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is tantamount to obey the message of Allah Almighty.

    If someone obeys the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), he will be tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. If someone disobeys the Prophet (Muhammad peace be upon him), he will be tantamount to disobey Almighty God.

    As Allah Almighty also says: “Whoever obeys the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) obeys (but) Allah indeed, but he who turns away, then We have not sent you to watch over them”. (4:80)

    )جس نے رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) کا حکم مانا بیشک اس نے اللہ (ہی) کا حکم مانا، اور جس نے روگردانی کی تو ہم نے آپ کو ان پر نگہبان بنا کر نہیں بھیجا(

    This is also because that the prophet peace be upon him does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but revelation from Allah Almighty.

      Allah Almighty says:

    And he does not speak out of his (own) desire”. (53:3) “His speech is nothing but Revelation, which is sent to him” (53:4)

    Allah also says:

     “O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    Allah Almighty says:

    And neither a believing man nor a believing woman has (this) right that, when Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) have given judgment (or a command) about an affair, they should exercise their own choice in (doing or not doing that) work of theirs. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) certainly loses his way into open error” (33:36)

    Allah Almighty says:

    O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    From the above mentioned-verses of the Quran, authoritativeness (Hujjiyat) of Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is very clear.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 5:14:58 AM



  • Dear Asif, Assalam Alaikum, 

    The Qur’an is uncreated, because it is the speech or the word of Allah Almighty and the speech of Allah or the words of Allah are from none but his attributes and not created.

    The collection of pieces of paper you hold in your hand is created.

    When we say ‘Qur’an’, it refers to the speech of Allah Almighty or the Kalam of Allah Almighty, which is uncreated.

    Our reciting the holy Qur’an is created, the words on the pages of the Mushaf is created, our reading those words is created, our listening to the sound of the Qur’an being recited is created—but the holy Quran itself is not created. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/23/2015 4:49:35 AM



  • An ignorant not knowing even ABC of medicine speaks at the top of his voice promising every serious patient inside hospitals for good treatment. He has an excuse that he has read in the Quran for using brain. If he treats patient by using his own mind in the shade of sheer ignorance, what will be the result? The patient will either die or may remain in more dangerous situation. 
    Therefore, one should not be ignorant of ABC of the knowledge of Quran and Hadith, before he starts saying any few words on the issue, otherwise he will kill his faith or remain in the darkness in world and hearafter. 
    I also believe in uncreatedness of the Quran and authoritativeness of the Hadith. 
    By Aslam - 2/23/2015 4:35:44 AM



  • There was a time when people would say shame on ignorance and now people have started saying shame on all the scholars. Good Rafiq bhai. By Aslam - 2/23/2015 2:13:14 AM



  • It is this way "Shame on ignorance" By Ghulam Ghaus - 2/23/2015 1:59:46 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia, 
    I do not to answer you when say "shame on all the scholars". I think that Such an attitude should not be answered in more detail than that If you think you are a scholar, the word 'shame' will be applicable to you as well. And if you do not believe yourself to be scholar, you must remember that I have heard many scholars say "shame of ignorance".!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    Please do not beat around the bush! I am on the same topic of authoritativeness of Hadith. In previous comments, I have proved it through the Quranic verses and there is no doubt the Quran is a divine book of Allah Almighty.  
     
     
    By Ghulam Ghaus - 2/23/2015 1:58:39 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    I am again here to answer you that I have faith in both the Divine book of Allah, the holy Quran and  Authoritativeness of The Hadith.    By Ghulam Ghaus - 2/23/2015 1:46:29 AM



  • Good Morning Ghulam Ghaus Saheb,

     

     As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    Subject: NO NEED TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH

     

    From your reply, I get a feeling that you have other work to attend to. Carry on.

     

    For your kind information, I am only interested in knowing about your personal belief in “Authoritativeness of Quran.The main reason being that you are insisting upon getting your point across first. That’s just not going to happen, till I get a better understanding as to where do you stand on the subject matter, Quran. All I earnestly request you to give me, is an honest answer to one single question, “Do you consider Quran to be a divine book?”

     

    I am sorry for not getting involved into what you termed it as “Science of Discourse.” For more than 1,200 years, the so-called discourse has been going on with no final consensus among the Islamic scholars over the falsely fabricated Hadiths. That’s a downright shameful act. If you term such a major indecision as the “Science of Discourse,” then shame on all the scholars.

     

    Again, the only subject I wish to select for the time being is, “Authoritativeness of Quran. and nothing else. What is your scholarly opinion? That’s as simple of a question which I can ask you as an ordinary Muslim layman. If you are going to remain vague and cannot answer, then try to be upfront about it. There is absolutely NO NEED TO BEAT AROUND THE BUSH.

     

    Very respectfully yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia     

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

     

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/13/2015 11:24:55 PM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    I do not want to ignore you. In the previous comment I left a question for you but you did not care.  

    It is very difficult to come to any conclusion until we finish our one particular subject. Hotchpotch of the topic is not fruitful. We were discussing the “authoritativeness of Hadith”, but without any result, all of a sudden you jumped to the topic “authenticity of Hadith” and then towards another topic “Are Jews and Christians infidels or not?” All these topics are different from one other. The first two are related to sciences of hadith, compilation of prophetic traditions and biographies of reporters, preservers of hadith and scholars of law among the companions etc, while the last one is related to Ilm al-Kalam (literally: science of discourse).

    Please do tell me after selecting one of them, avoiding hotchpotch. Since I am busy in other piece of work, I may get late to answer you.

    Regards!
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/13/2015 10:51:40 PM



  • To: Ghulam Ghaus Saheb,

     

    Subject: “Collectively Guilty”  

     

    My Letter addressed to Dear Well-Wisher,

     

    As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    “Agree Totally, is something person like me rarely hears. Your thoughtful observation after reading my letter to Ghulam Ghaus is greatly appreciated.

     

    Quite frankly, the most disappointing thing was that Ghaus Saheb conveniently ignored addressing my earlier note pertaining to Surah: Al-Mai’dah – Chapter: 5 – Verses: 64-67. He seems to be deeply involved in defending what he refers to as “Hujjiyat – Authoritativeness of Hadees,only.

     

    It is quite apparent from his rebuttal that he considers those Muslims to be weak in “Iman, or let’s say, his/her faith to be incomplete, and also, if he/she does not confess to blindly follow the man-made version of volumes of books which are classified more or less as strong Hadiths versus weak Hadiths. What is more baffling is that the learned ones want to drag all of us into this ridiculous debate forever. My concern after receiving his vague response was to wonder, whether Ghaus Saheb was able to understand the meaning of the following:         

     

    “If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and what was revealed to them from their Lord, they would surely have been nourished from above and from below.”

     

    Tragically speaking, majority of the Muslims believe that the Jews and Christians have distorted the Torah and the Gospel. Do Ulemas, Alims and Muftis ever bothered to realize the extent of the damage they have inflicted upon the religion of Islam? I would not, hesitate to say that they are indeed "COLLECTIVELY GUILTY, in deliberately misleading the ordinary Muslims by ways of the “Science of Hadiths.”

     

    Almighty Allah clearly cautioned the “People of the Book – they would surely have been nourished from above and from below.” This particular verse 5:66 should be enough to make Muslims, be aware of the consequences of neglecting the “Authoritativeness of Quran. If Muslims care to look around them and observe how the people of other faiths think about Islam, then this particular verse should make their eyes wide open to the burning question which our fellow humans keeps on asking us, as to what went wrong in the Islamic world.

     

    All in all, majority of our Islamic scholars have been solely responsible for the extremely depressing state of affairs in which, we the “Moderate Muslims,are in, at this point in time. Relentlessly, creating doubts after doubts by consistently arguing that Quran cannot be understood until and unless its verses are verified with the compilation of Hadiths by Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim is beyond my comprehension. Let me put it on record that, I am not being disrespectful to these two giant Islamic scholars. Their scholarly works are treasured by many Muslims, but according to my Islamic belief, a complete faith of Muslims rests only upon the Quranic verses which are divine, and I as a Muslim, cannot in all my consciousness believe in the so-called man-made texts. In one of my earlier letters, to my fellow Muslims, I wrote as follows:

     

    “Sadly today, the Islamic world is in the state of turmoil owing mainly to Muslims who have stopped practicing the art of “Reading” and understanding our own “Divine BookAlif, Laam MimZa_likal kita_bu la_ raiba fihi hudal lilmuttaqin.” as revealed to our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) during the blessed month of Ramadhan. Simply put, we the “Moderate Muslim, must wake up before it is too late.”

     

     

    “This is the book; there is no doubt in it. It is a guide for those who are mindful of God.”                

         

    Surah: Al-Baqarah (The Heifer) ~ Chapter: 2 – Verse: 2

     

    Thanks again for reading, I remain

     

    Very sincerely yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia

     

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/13/2015 10:22:49 PM



  • Then why aala hz brailvi rushed saudi arabia to have takfeeri fatwa against ahl e davband? Were they refusing basic tenets of Islam? By rational mohammed yunus - 2/13/2015 5:44:02 AM



  • Mr. Unknown (Lol)

    Before giving you the detailed response to your question, I must say it in a nutshell that suicide attacks are forbidden in the holy Quran, Hadith, in books of Ulemas and Fuqaha. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/13/2015 2:58:22 AM



  • What Alahazrat R.A. says about Takfirism in His Fatawa Razvia 

    تکفیر کے سلسلے میں اعلی حضرت امام احمد رضا   رضی اللہ عنہ کی تعلیمات

    •بالجملہ تکفیر  اہل قبلہ  و اصحاب کلمہ  طیبہ میں جرأت و جسارت محض جہالت بلکہ سخت آفت جس میں وبال   عظیم و نکال کا  صریح  اندیشہ  ، والعیاذ بااللہ  رب  العالمین   ( فتاوی     رضویہ ، ج : ۱۲ ، ص:۳۱۷)

    •مسلمان کے کسی قول و فعل میں کوئی ضعیف سے ضعیف تاویل ایسی نکلتی ہو جس کے سبب حکم اسلام ہو سکتا ہو تو اس کی طرف جانا لازم ہے ۔ اگر چہ اس میں ہزار احتمال جانب کفر جاتے ہوں ۔ ( ایضاً)

    •فرض قطعی ہے کہ اہل کلمہ کے ہر قول و فعل کو اگر چہ بظاہر کیسا ہی شنیع و فظیع ہو حتی الا مکان کفر سے   بچائیں ۔ ( ایضاً)

    •احتمال اسلام کو چھوڑ کر احتمال کفر کی طرف جانے والےاسلام کو مغلوب  او رکفر کو غالب کرتے ہیں ۔(ایضاً)

    •جب تک ضروریات دین میں سے کسی شی  کا انکار نہ ہو کفر نہیں ۔ (فتاوی رضویہ ، ج: ۹، صفحہ :۹۴۲)

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/13/2015 2:47:38 AM



  • sab baat to theek hai bhai ghulam ghaus sahab, peero ke peer ke khadim, lekin kya suicide attack karna jayaz hai islam me , internert par maine kuch logon ko parha hai unhone likha tha jab aapke paas taqat na ho larne ki to suicde karke lar sakte ho unhone to quran aur hadith ko bhi quote kya tha ....aapka iske baare me kya kahna hai janab ghaus bhai ...  By Lol - 2/13/2015 2:31:46 AM



  • aman shanti ke saath raho . kisi mazhab ko bura bhala kehne se pehle apne giraban me jhank kar dekho kahin isme badbu to nahi aarahi hai .... By Lol - 2/13/2015 2:28:05 AM



    1. Eunuch
    2. Female
    3. Male

    There is holy saying of the Holy Prophet(SAWAW):

    Attalibo Dunia Mukhannasun, Attalibo Uqbah (Jannah) Moannasun and Attalibo Maula Muzzakkarun.

    injecting superiority of males or females. Yet Sufis claim equality of genders.

    Poor Eunuchs! destined to bear ridicule and fun for people.

    Eunuchs are example of what? Qadr of Alimghty, or imperfectness of Allah's creativity.

    this non-sense is the belief of Muslims and Sufi particular.


    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/13/2015 1:59:33 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/13/2015 12:02:28 AM
    Mr Loghia may get offended by putting me my name with his name together.
    So please address me separately.
    Kahaan wo mard e momin and kahan main gustakh Iblis.
    Take your time.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/13/2015 12:57:31 AM



  • The deleterious effect of fairy tales woven, can be examined in the following:

    https://aalamearwah.wordpress.com/

    The conclusions that can be drawn from the fairy tale are:

    1. The souls of all people that will take birth were created on day 1 itself alongwith Adam. Therefore who will be born is pre-ordained. Family planning and birth control is therefore meaningless. 

    2. Persons have chosen heaven/hell before they were born. Everything is pre-ordained and pre destined.


    By Observer - 2/13/2015 12:40:50 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia and Rational Muhammad Yunus, I will get late for giving response to your comments. I am working at another topic.   By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/13/2015 12:02:28 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 4:23:36 AM
    The matter is not that much simple.
    Same Hadith is Sahi for one scholar and weak for another. Shias have their own Ahadith as Muslims have theirs.
    What do you say about it?
    and what about if certain intolerant verse is supported by Sahi Hadith? will you accept it then?
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/12/2015 11:26:45 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus
    Imam raza may be anything to you but be was one who launched takfferism. If a a aalim who has called some Muslim kafir, and yet he can leave some peacfefull writing, one can be jahil and hakim up ummat.
    Is there any point/issue where you disagree with raza brailvi?
    Raza brailvi justified very bid at(innovation) in the Islam. He was a believer in cast system like all other ulema.



    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/12/2015 9:20:31 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus
    Imam raza may be anything to you but be was one who launched takfferism. If a a aalim who has called some Muslim kafir, and yet he can leave some peacfefull writing, one can be jahil and hakim up ummat.
    Is there any point/issue where you disagree with raza brailvi?
    Raza brailvi justified very bid at(innovation) in the Islam. He was a believer in cast system like all other ulema.



    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/12/2015 9:18:43 PM



  • WHAT IS KHABR WAHID?

     

    Ibn Umar said that Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) prescribed the payment of Zakat-ul-Fitr (on breaking the fast) of Ramadan for people, for every freeman, or slave, male and female among the Muslims-one sa' of dried dates, or one sa' of barley.

     

    In the Arabic text, though the word “فرض, FARD” has been used in the Hadith, sadqat-ul-fitr is wajib on us. This is because this Hadith is a khabr wahid which gives probable evidence and not definitive evidence.

     

    According to the Hanafi school of thought, the imperative (Wajib) has been made binding for the subject by the lawgiver and is established through a probable (zanni) evidence, whose strength is not that of definitive evidence.

     

    The obligatory (fard) on the other hand has been made binding for the subject and is established through a definitive (qat’i) evidence. The evidence may be a verse of the Quran or a mutawatir hadees. Examples of the fard are: the five daily prayers, zakat, hajj, recitation of the Quran in prayer and so on.  

     

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث  - 9/5/2014 2:15:54 AM

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/12/2015 7:28:00 PM



  • TRY TO USE THEIR BRAIN PURELY

     

    Let me point out to the very disturbing situation for some of my Muslim brothers. They are in trouble as to which interpretation is good or which one is bad. To resolve that, I believe, we can not take our Muslim brothers to the era of the prophet PBUH to convince them. It is beyond our ability. We can only give the Quranic references and realities to them. I am sure if our brothers introspect and try to use their brain purely seeking the help from Allah, they will be able to recognise as to which one is right.

     

    Finally they will stop calling themselves superior to others. The following verse of the holy Quran lays the foundation of equality.

     

    “All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers.”(2:285)

     

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث  - 5/16/2013 9:39:25 AM

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/12/2015 7:24:26 PM



  • Good Morning Ghulam Ghaus,

     

    As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    Candidly speaking, your response was quite vague, and as such, I remain dumbfounded. Perhaps, you merely skipped reading my message in entirety!

     

    Instead of elaborating further on Surah; Al-Mai’dah, you went straight to Surah:Al-Nisa – Chapter: 4 – Verse: 80. What is satisfying to know is that you admitted that, “the Prophet does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but a revelation from Allah Almighty.” This means that the Quranic verses is the same as Prophet’s sayings without any other intrusion of the man-made version of Hadiths.

     

    Let’s allow the readers to read the following:

     

    “He who obeys the Messenger obeys God. As for those who turn away, know that We have not sent you to their keeper. They say: ‘We obey you,’ but as soon as they leave you, a group of them plan together by night against what you say. God records whatever they scheme. So ignore them, and put your trust in God. God is sufficient as a trustee.”

     

    “Do they not ponder on the Quran? If it had been from anyone other than God, they would have found much inconsistency it it.”

     

    Surah: Al-Nisa (Women) – Chapter: 4 – Verse: 80 – 82

     

    Note the warning signal, “they would have found much inconsistency in it.” The known fact is that, by being fully aware that the Quranic verses are revealed to Prophet from Almighty Allah, even then, many of our Ulemas, Alims and Muftis somehow continue to find ways to create contradictory versions of the translations of Quran based upon the “Science of Hadiths.” Little wonder that they have still not been able to unanimously agree upon the differences between “Authentic Hadiths” versus “Fabricated Hadiths.” This is sheer insanity, Ghulam Ghaus Saheb.

     

    From your reply, I still get a strange feeling that you are trying to impose, “Authoritativeness of Hadith,” instead of the Quran. If you understand the Quranic verses clearly which explicitly states that, “the prophet does not speak out of his own desire,” then what is holding you back from accepting the “Authoritativeness of Quran”? Isn’t the Quranic verses and Prophet’s speeches are one and the same?  

     

    Furthermore, maybe you should take another look at the following Quranic verse:

     

    “By the setting star, your companion has neither strayed nor is he misguided, nor does he speak out of his own desire. It (the Quran) is nothing but revelation sent down to him. He was taught by (an angel) who is mighty in power, and endowed with wisdom; who in time manifested himself; standing poised at the highest point on the horizon, then came down close until he was two bow-lengths away or even closer and revealed to God’s servant what he revealed.”

     

    Surah: Al-Najm (The Setting Star) – Chapter: 53 – Verse: 1 - 10                

     

    Hodge-podge has undoubtedly been created by consistently twisting the meaning of Quranic revelations with the man-made Hadiths. This never-ending practice of distortion will continue to linger on till the doomsday. Though, it will be wise to agree with a pragmatic statement of one noted commentator of the “New Age Islam,” forum as follows:

     

    “The problem however, is that instead of treating the Quran as the furqan, the ahadith are treated as the furqan resulting in gross misinterpretations of the Quran. The followers of hadith are found to have lost all capacity for logical thinking. What can explain the fact that the followers of the ahadith hold the Quran to be uncreated falsifying the Quranic verse that says that it is produced by Allah? Again, when there are several verses that say Muhammad (pbuh) had no knowledge of the unseen, why do the followers of ahadith insist otherwise? The fact is that blind acceptance of nonsensical hadiths have made our madrassa trained persons totally incapable of logical thinking and made them blind believers.”

     

    With this being pointed out, then the readers should be able to conclude that when I classified certain group of Muslims as the “Blind Followers, of Hadiths, then I was not wrong in my assessment of the current mental state of mind of the die-hard followers of Hadiths. If my verdict hurts some of my fellow Muslims, then I cannot help it. I reckon, I am used to calling a spade, a spade only.

     

    Though, I am not a student of Hadith, but being an ordinary Muslim layman, I do have respect for “Authentic Hadiths,” which lays emphasis on the “Ritual Aspects, of Islam which was directly taught by our beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) to his faithful followers. However, when it comes to the commandments of Almighty Allah, then there is enough warning for those who plan together to distort the translation of the  Quranic verses by ways of all the baseless Hadiths that has been compiled since the ancient times. Man has landed on the moon, the rover has landed on Mars, but the Islamic scholars continue to remain in full-time business of creating doubts and scaring millions of Muslims into making them believe that “Authoritativeness of Hadiths,” is the only way to understand the meaning of Quran. What kind of deceptive act are they engaged in?

     

    Finally, overly obsessive involvement with the “Science of Hadiths,” is something learned Muslims should be careful about. If the Quranic verses are made clear and if Muslims believe on the “Authoritativeness of Quran, then most of the grave problems facing the Islamic world will be resolved. The problem arises when the so-called learned Ulemas, Alims and Muftis continue to tamper with their own version of theory based upon their blind belief in Hadiths that directly contradicts the Quranic verses and the Prophet’s speech. The word to the wise is sufficient.      

     

    Very respectfully yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/12/2015 6:25:57 PM



  • In Surah 26, these lines are repeated for every messenger and indeed this is common to all the messengers.

     "I am to you a messenger worthy of all trust:

     "So fear Allah, and obey me.

     "No reward do I ask of you for it: my reward is only from the Lord of the Worlds:

     "So fear Allah, and obey me."

     

    And yet, for many of these messengers no Book was revealed and no ahadith were recorded and it is only their tradition that carried on with the people. While scriptures were revealed to Moses, Jesus and David, there are no separate ahadith of their sayings that were recorded and passed onto subsequent generations. This did not constitute a violation of the commands in the verse mentioned above. Then how can it be argued that for Muhammad (pbuh), the same verses are a command to record his sayings and follow them?

    There is no gainsaying the fact that obedience of the messenger implies following his sunnat in matters that complement the Quran for example the form of prayer, amount of zakat, the sunnat of listening to the recitation of the complete Quran in the month of Ramzan, performance of Tarawi prayers and in every manner as much of his sunnat as possible without running foul of the Quran. It is indeed a good thing that the books of hadith were compiled and are available to us which contain many gems.

    The Problem however, is that instead of treating the Quran as the furqan, the ahadith are treated as the furqan resulting in gross misinterpretations of the Quran. The followers of hadith are found to have lost all capacity for logical thinking. What can explain the fact that the followers of the ahadith hold the Quran to be uncreated falsifying the Quranic verse that says that it is produced by Allah? Again, when there are several verses that say Muhammad (pbuh) had no knowledge of the unseen, why do the followers of ahadith insist otherwise? The fact is that blind acceptance of nonsensical hadiths have made our madrassa trained persons totally incapable of logical thinking and made them blind believers.

     

     The Books of hadith are indeed to be treasured for the gems that they contain but without losing one’s ability to identify the counterfeit hadiths that have also found their way into the collection which must be rejected using the Quran as furqan.

    By Observer - 2/12/2015 12:30:10 PM



  • Dear Saifi sb, 
    Imam Ahmad Raza known as Ala hazrat RA has spent all his life for the sake of love towards Allah Almighty, love towards the beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him and his holy companions and love towards Muslims. He also left many peaceful teachings behind for the world and for the peaceful coexistence with every peace-seeker.   
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 7:55:53 AM



  • متى سيحين الوقت لكبارنا وعلمائنا وإخواننا في الإسلام ليكونوا على فرط استعدادهم ليصلوا إلى غاية المرام في تعميم سلام الإسلام؟ نحن المسلمين بحاجة ملحة لفصل شباب المسلمين عن الإرهابيين وأفكارهم.

    دائما ما نقول إن الإسلام دين السلام والاعتدال و التسامح و الصبر والرفق و اللين و المرحمة والتعاطف و الصدق والخير و دين لا ريب في تعاليمه. هذا اعتقادنا الصحيح السليم فنستحق الخير والجزاء في الدنيا والآخرة من الله سبحانه وتعالى وحبيبه المصطفى صلى الله عليه وسلم.

    ولكن هل هذا يكفي لنا المسلمين؟ هل هذا يكفي للعلماء الذين وراثة الأنبياء في تبليغ الدين وجماله وكماله والأمر بالمعروف والنهي عن المنكر؟   

    نرى أن الإرهابيين يتخذون كلام الله تعالى وحديث الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم مصدرين لأعمال الإرهاب والعنف، ولو كان ذالك بشكل زائف لا علاقة له في الواقع مع القرآن والحديث. فمن المهم أن يفكر علماؤنا وكبارنا في آيات القرآن والأحاديث التي يستخدمها الإرهابيون لإيفاء بالأعمال الإرهابية، فعليهم أن يفسروا ويوضحوا آيات القرآن وأحاديث الرسول صلى الله عليه وسلم بشكل لا شك فيه وحتى يقتنع العالم به. وعليهم أن يبطلوا أفكار الإرهابيين في ضوء القرآن الكريم والحديث النبوي و يعمموا أمام الدول الإسلامية وغير الإسلامية تعاليم السلام والتسامح والصبر والاعتدال.

    قد ناقشت كثيرا مع الذين يقولون أنفسهم المسلمين والذين لا يفهمون معاني القرآن الكريم والأحاديث النبوية بشكل صحيح فهم ينتقدون بعض الآيات القرآنية والأحاديث النبوية ونتيجة لذالك ينكرون معاني القرآن الكريم الصحيحة و حجية الأحاديث النبوية.

    أنا اعرف أن علمائنا وكبارنا يدحضون أفكار الإرهابيين في بيوتهم و أذهانهم و أفكارهم وهذا لا يكفي لهم ، فيجب أن يأتوا إلى وسائل الإعلام و يخبروا العالم سلام الإسلام.

    وأنا انتظر قائلا أين علماؤنا و كبارنا ؟ By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 7:25:20 AM



  • أتوافق معك يا أخي غلام غوث بكل التوافق. قد دلت عدة آيات القرآن على حجية أحاديث الرسول الكريم صلى الله عليه وسلم.        

    By عبد العليم - 2/12/2015 6:55:36 AM



  • Comment: 8

    Dear Asif Haryanvi sb,

    After accepting authoritativeness of Hadees, we should apply our minds whether the Hadees is authentic (Saheeh) or Weak (dhaif) or Fabricated.

    It should also be noted that whether Hadees is Saheeh (authentic) or weak (dhaif), it is hadees in either case. Only the fabricated one is expelled outside the fold of hadith application.  No scholar of haidth during 1400 years in any of his books has written or expelled weak narration out of hadees. The only difference between them is of preference. This is only when both Saheeh and Weak narrations talk about the same thing in a binary way. At the time of practice we have to adopt Saheeh hadees and leave the weak narration.

    One should also know what legal values can come out of saheeh hadees or weak hadees. The legal values coming out of saheeh hadees may be Mandatory (Farz) or Imperative (Wajib) or Mandatory Recommendation (Sunnat-e-Muakkadah). But the legal values coming out of weak hadees may not be like the mentioned ones but rather it can be either directory recommendation (Sunnat-e- Ghair Muakkdah) or commendable (Mustahab) or improper (Mubah). The Islamic legal values that are made in the light of weak narrations give you freedom either to practice or leave it. However, it does not give you freedom to consider it forbidden until you have any reference from the holy Quran or authentic hadees.

    The fabricated are not put in the definition and application of Hadees term.

    As far as fabricated hadees (Mauzu Hadees) is concerned, it is not a hadees in actual sense. The scholars of hadees say it only metaphorically. No scholar during 1400 years has believed it to be hadees.

    When we say Hadees we mean the true sayings of the prophet peace be upon him and not the fabricated ones

    The scholars of hadees majorly divide hadees into two; Saheeh and Dhaif. They believe that fabricated one is not hadees. No one can show me any proof where our scholars of hadees during 1400 years have believed fabricated ones in the category of hadees. When we say hadees we mean the sayings of our beloved prophet and not the fabricated sayings made by enemies of Islam in order to create doubts into the hearts of believers regarding authoritativeness of Hadees. Thanks Allah Almighty for creating great Imams, Jurists, Scholars of Hadees who scrutinised hadees on the basis of Jarah wa Tadeel and expelled the fabricated out of the fold of Hadees.    

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 4:23:36 AM



  • Mr Ghulam GHAaus, 

    you are a great lover of peeron ke peer shah dastageer and your alahazrat Ahmad Raza. What does he say about peace in the world? Please tell me.
    By Hamid Saifi - 2/12/2015 4:04:21 AM



  • HO shit 
    shukriya aafaq sahab aur ghulam ghaus sahab ke liye tha galati se asif haryanvi sahab ka naam type ho gaya  By Saira bano - 2/12/2015 3:21:28 AM



  • Shukriya Ghulam Ghaus aur Asif Haryanvi sahab. Aaapke jawabat qabile ghaur o fikr hai aur mere zahan me bahut se mutaliiqa sawalat hai magar waqt ki qillat ki wajah se is waqt puchna saheeh nahi aur aapka waqt bhi bahut qeemti hai, lihaza next time un swalat ko puchungi. salaam masnoon   By Saira bano - 2/12/2015 3:19:10 AM



  • I do not expect from any good commentator to repeat the words like "blind followers of Hadees" or "blind followers of Quran". I only except his questions regarding authoritativeness of Hadees. After this discussion, I will expect the questions of authenticity of hadith, historical facts of compilation of hadith, different kinds of Islamic legal values from different kinds of hadith, for example, what types of Islamic legal values are made by the authentic hadees and what types of Islamic legal values are made through the weak narrations and where Muslims find freedom to practice Islamic legal values and where they find freedom in case of not practising them. Where and how Islamic Hudud are established and where are Muslims forgiven for not establishing Islamic hudud? Such are the questions that I expect from intellectual commentators in a decisive manner, but after we finish the ongoing debate on authoritativeness of hadees. By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 3:12:39 AM



  • اسے پڑھیں :

    میرے ایک ہائی سکول کے دوست نے اپنے فیس بک پر یہ سوال پوچھ رکھا تھا کہ اسلام تو تلوار کے زور پر نہیں پھیلا لیکن کیا ڈیمو کریسی پستول کے زور پر پھیلی ہے ؟۔ وہاں جہاں مختلف لوگوں نے اس بارے اپنی رائے دی ایک صاحب (غیر مسلم ) نے بھی سوال کیا کہ کیا تمام مذاہب ہی تلوار کے زور پر نہیں پھیلے ؟ جسکے جواب میں انکو میرے دوست نے سمجھایا کہ ہم نے کبھی یہودیت اور عیسائیت کے بارے ایسا نہیں سنا پہلی دفعہ ہم نے جو یہ بات سنی تو اسلام بارے ہی سنی تھی ۔ اور پھر انکو مختصراً سمجھایا کہ اسلام کیسے پھیلا تھا ۔

    اکثر اسلام سے نفرت رکھنے والے اور دیگر غیر مسلموں کی طرف سے بھی یہ اعتراض کیا جاتا ہے کہ اسلام تلوار کے زور پر پھیلا ہے اسکے مختلف جوابات آپ نے ضرور سن اور پڑھ رکھے ہوں گے لیکن ایک نقطہ جو آپنے کہیں نہیں پڑھا ہو گا وہ میں آج آپکو بتانا چاہتا ہوں ، یہ اعتراض جتنا زور و شور سے پھیلایا جاتا ہے اور بظاہر یہ اعتراض جسکو اپنے تئیں وہ بہت مظبوط خیال کرتے ہیں، اندر سے حد درجہ کھوکھلا ہے ۔ اسکی تردید خود غیر مسلم فسلفی و مفکرین نے کی ہے ۔

    جارج برنارڈ شا جو اٹھارہ سو چھپن میں پیدا ہوئے اور انیس سو پچاس میں وفات پائی ، اور یہ وہ زمانہ تھا جب آدھی دنیا پر برطانیہ کی حکومت تھی ، اسکے باوجود انکا یہ قول مشہور ہے کہ

    If any religion had the chance of ruling over England, nay Europe within the next hundred years, it could be Islam.”

    ’’ اگر کسی مذہب کے پاس انگلیڈ اور یورپ پر اگلے سو سالوں میں راج کرنے کا موقع ہے تو وہ اسلام ہو سکتا ہے۔ ‘‘

    ۔ آپ جارج بربارڈ شا کے الفاظوں پر غور کریں اور اس زمانے پر غور کریں جب انہوں نے یہ الفاظ کہے ہیں ۔ اسی سے اندازہ ہو جاتا ہے کہ اسلام کتنا تلوار کے زور پر پھیلا ہے ۔

     

    اسی طرح تھامس کارلائل جو سترہ سو پچانے میں پیدا ہوئے اور اٹھارہ سو اٹھاسی میں وفات پائی نے اٹھارہ سو چالیس میں انگلیڈ میں دئیے گئے اپنے لیچکرز میں بھی اس موضوع پر اپنا فلسفہ پیش کیا ہے ، جو کچھ اسطرح سے ہے

    The sword indeed, but where will you get your sword! Every new opinion, at its starting is, precisely in a minority of one. In one man’s head alone, there it dwells as yet. One man alone of the whole world believes it, there is one man against all men. That he takes a sword, and try to propagate with that, will do little for him. You must first get your sword! On the whole, a thing will propagate itself as it can.”

    کہ ہاں واقعی تلوار ، لیکن آپ یہ تلوار کہاں سے حاصل کریں گے ؟، ہر نیا نظریہ جب وہ اپنے ابتدائی مراحل میں ہوتا ہے تو ایک کی اقلیت میں ہوتا ہے ۔ صرف ایک شخص کے دماغ میں ہوتا ہے ، یہاں وہ پھلتا پھولتا ہے ۔ پوری دنیا میں ایک انسان ہوتا ہے جو اس پر یقین رکھتا ہے ، ایسے میں ایک شخص تمام انسانوں کے مخالف ہوتا ہے ۔ اگر وہ تلوار اٹھا کر اسکی تبلیغ شروع کر دے تو یہ اسکو بہت کم نفع دے گا ۔ آپکو ایک پہلے اپنی تلوار حاصل کرنی ہے ، مجموع اعتبار سے اور پھر وہ اپنی تبلیغ آپ کرے گا ۔

    جو لوگ یہ اعتراض کرتے ہیں وہ لوگ اسلام سے بے بہرہ اور اسکی بنیادیات سے مکمل طور پر نابلد ہوتے ہیں ، اور کسی بھی موضوع میں ایسے شخص کو اپنی رائے دینے کی اجازت نہیں ہوتی جسکا اسکو علم نہ ہو ۔ لہذا ہم بھی ان لوگوں سے یہ ہی کہتے ہیں کہ اسلام تو خود کہتا ہے لا اکراه فی الدین کہ مذہب میں کوئی جبر نہیں تو پھر آپ کس بنیاد پر یہ اعتراض کر رہے ہیں ؟ ہمارا تو مذہب ہی کہتا ہے کہ کسی کو جبر کر کے اسلام میں داخل نہیں کیا جا سکتا تو یہ بات ہی غیر منطقی ہے کہ اس مذہب کے پیروکار ایسا کریں گے ۔

    اس اعتراض کی بنیاد سپین پر جا کر ٹوٹتی ہے ، جب سپین پر فرڈی نینڈ نے حملہ کر کے اسکو مسلمانوں سے چھینا تو وہاں اسنے ایک ظلم و جبر کا سلسلہ شروع کر دیا ، جہاں مسلمانوں کو انکے مذہب پر عمل کرنے کی آزادی چھین لی گئی ، انکو عربی بولنے کی اجازت نہ تھی ، انکو قرآن پڑھنے کی اجازت نہ تھی ۔ جسکی وجہ سے مسلمانوں کی ایک تعداد وہاں سے ہجرت کر گئی بہت سے مسلمان مراکش چلے گئے ۔ جن لوگوں نے ہجرت نہ کی ان پر مظالم کیے جاتے اور یوں آہستہ آہستہ فرڈی نینڈ نے وہاں بزور طاقت یا تلوار کے عیسائیت پھیلا دی ۔

    آج آپ فلسطین میں دیکھ لیں ، وہاں پر اسرائیل بزور طاقت مسلمانوں کی زمین پر قبضہ کر رہا ہے اور انکو وہاں سے بے دخل کر رہا ہے یعنی تلوار کے زور پر یہودیت پھیلا رہا ہے ۔ آپ بدھ ازم کو دیکھ لیں ، اسلام سے زیادہ وہ دنیا میں امن پسند مذب مشہور ہے لیکن کس طرح کچھ عرصہ قبل برما کے بدھ لوگوں نے وہاں تلوار کے زور پر بدھمت پھیلانے کی کوشش کی تھی ۔

    لہذا ہمیں تو اس بات کا دفاع کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں ہے کہ اسلام تلوار کے زور پر پھیلا تھا لیکن آپکو ہم سے اس بارے گفتگو کرنے کی ضرورت ہے کہ سپین میں کیسے عیسائیت تلوار کے زور پر پھیلی اور فلسطین میں کیسے یہودیت تلوار کے زور پر پھیل رہی ہے ۔

    By Aafaq Ali - 2/12/2015 2:35:57 AM



  • محترمہ سائرہ بانو آپ کے سوال کا جواب حسب ذیل ہے ۔

    اسلام تلوار کے زور پر نہیں بلکہ ہمارے آخری نبی حضرت محمد کے حسن اخلاق، اخلاص اور پرامن اور انسان دوستی والے پیغام کی وجہ سے پھیلا ہے۔ آج ہمارے مسلمان بھائی ایک دوسرے کا خون بہا رہے ہیں ، یہ عمل ہمارے پیغمبر کی تعلیمات کے برعکس ہے، آج دنیا میں سوا ارب سے زیادہ مسلمان آباد ہیں، جو کسی تلوار کے زور پر نہیں، بلکہ ہمارے پیغمبر کی تعلیمات اور حسن اخلاق کی وجہ سے مسلمان ہیں۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔۔

    درج ذيل اقتباسات  بحوالہ۔ http://www.thefatwa.com/  ملاحظہ فرمائيے:

    حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے کفار و مشرکین کو ایمان کی دعوت دیتے ہوئے اپنے کردار کو پیش کیا تھا۔ قرآن حکیم میں ہے :

    فَقَدْ لَبِثْتُ فِيكُمْ عُمُرًا مِّن قَبْلِهِ أَفَلاَ تَعْقِلُونَO

    بیشک میں اس (قرآن کے اترنے) سے قبل (بھی) تمہارے اندر عمر (کا ایک حصہ) بسر کرچکا ہوں، سو کیا تم عقل نہیں رکھتےo‘‘

    يونس، 10 : 16

    لوگوں میں عمر گزارنا سیرت و کردار کا پتا دیتا ہے۔ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم صادق اور امین جانے جاتے تھے اور کفار و مشرکین کو حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کے حسن اخلاق اور حسن کردار کا اس حد تک اعتراف تھا کہ بت پرستی پر قائم رہنے کے عوض وہ وہ آپ کی ساری باتیں ماننے پر تیار تھے۔ جب وہ اس پر سمجھوتہ نہ کرنے کے حوالے سے مکمل طور پر مایوس ہو گئے تو انہوں نے مسلمانوں پر ظلم و ستم کی انتہاء کر دی۔ حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کی بارگاہ میں مسلمان حاضر ہوتے تو کوئی زخمی حالت میں ہوتا، کسی کو کوڑوں سے مارا گیا ہوتا، تو کسی کو تپتی ریت پر گھسیٹا گیا ہوتا۔ یہ درد ناک صورتحال دیکھ کر حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم صحابہ کو صبر کی تلقین فرماتے۔

    تبيان القرآن، 5 : 762

    بیعت عقبہ اولیٰ کے موقعہ پر حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے حضرت مصعب بن عمیر رضی اللہ عنہ کو مدینہ روانہ فرمایا۔ ان کی دعوت اس قدر پر اثر ثابت ہوئی کہ اگلے سال حضرت مصعب رضی اللہ عنہ 75 مسلمانوں کو بیعت عقبہ ثانیہ کے لئے مکہ لے کر آئے۔ سرکار دو عالم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم نے آپ کے ہمراہ 12 انصار صحابہ کو نقباء مقرر فرما کر مدینہ رخصت کیا اور جب ہجرت مدینہ ہوئی تو مدینہ کے لوگوں کی غالب اکثریت اس حال میں مسلمان ہو چکی تھی کہ نہ تلوار اٹھائی گئی اور نہ ہی اذن قتال نازل ہوا تھا۔

    قرآنی تعلیمات اور حضور نبی اکرم صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کی 63 سالہ انقلابی جدوجہد سے یہ حقیقت واضح ہو جاتی ہے کہ آپ صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم کی حیاتِ طیبہ میں جتنے بھی معرکے ہوئے، ان میں کسی کو زبردستی مسلمان بنانے کی ایک بھی مثال نہیں ملتی۔ اگرچہ ضرورت کے وقت دفعِ شر اور فتنہ و فساد کو روکنے کے لئے جنگ میں پہل کی گئی لیکن زیادہ تر معرکوں کی نوعیت دفاعی رہی۔ تاریخ ہمیں بتاتی ہے کہ جب بھی مخالفین نے سرِ تسلیم خم کیا یا راہِ فرار اختیار کی، صلح کے لئے ہاتھ بڑھایا یا ہتھیار ڈال دیئے تو پھر مسلمانوں نے بھی ان پر ہتھیار نہ اٹھائے۔ اسلام میں جنگ محض برائے جنگ نہیں بلکہ قیامِ امن کا ذریعہ ہے۔ محمد بن قاسم نے سندھ فتح کیا تو سندھ دار السلام بن گیا۔ یہ محض مسلمانوں کے کردار اور ان کے ثقافتی غلبہ کا اثر تھا کہ غیر مسلم حلقہ بگوش اسلام ہوتے گئے اور دنیا میں ہر طرف اسلام کا ڈنکا بجنے لگا۔

    واللہ و رسولہ اعلم بالصواب۔

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 2:23:41 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus,

    I have understood authoritativeness of hadees and I believe in it. I have studied other books too, after which I feel no hesitation to say that it is kufr of the Quranic verses to disbelieve in authoritativeness of hadees. I also believe and understand that authenticity of hadees is a different topic.

    But what about the Islamic legal values that are made through saheeh or zaeef hadees? 

    By Asif Haryanvi - 2/12/2015 1:49:14 AM



  • Miss/Mrs Saira bano,

    I was on speaking terms with Mr. Rafiq Lodhia. Please wait for a short a while. I will respond you as soon as possible.  
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 1:22:15 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    وعليكم السلام

    The verse 5:67 commands our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) to convey the message of Allah Almighty. The message of Allah Almighty is indeed in the Quran and the message of Allah Almighty asks us to follow and obey Allah.

    The question is as to how we can follow and obey Allah Almighty. We are unable to see Him Almighty. Then, is it possible for anyone to follow and obey Allah Almighty? The answer is very simple and not confusing one:

    To follow and obey Allah Almighty, we will have to follow and obey what is mentioned in the holy Quran.

    Now the question is:

    •        What is in the Qur’an about following and obeying the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him?

    This answer too is very clear in the Qur’an and thus a man of even slightest intelligence cannot pretend to get confused after reading the following Qur’anic verses:

    The Message or the direct revelation of Allah Almighty to his beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him:

    Allah Almighty says:  “So, (O Beloved,) by your Lord, they cannot become true believers until they make you a judge in every dispute that arises amongst them, and thereafter they do not feel any resentment in their hearts against the judgment that you make, and submit (to your decision) gladly, with total submission”. (4:65)

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    You ask us Muslims to follow the direct Message of Allah Almighty mentioned in the holy Quran and this same direct Message of Allah Almighty commands us to make our beloved prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) a judge in every dispute. Additionally, other verses ask us to follow and obey the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

    Not only this, even we Muslims are very clear that obeying the Messenger of Allah Almighty (peace be upon him) is tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. In other words, to obey the message of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) is tantamount to obey the message of Allah Almighty.

    If someone obeys the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him), he will be tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. If someone disobeys the Prophet (Muhammad peace be upon him), he will be tantamount to disobey Almighty God.

    As Allah Almighty also says: “Whoever obeys the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) obeys (but) Allah indeed, but he who turns away, then We have not sent you to watch over them”. (4:80)

    )جس نے رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) کا حکم مانا بیشک اس نے اللہ (ہی) کا حکم مانا، اور جس نے روگردانی کی تو ہم نے آپ کو ان پر نگہبان بنا کر نہیں بھیجا(

    This is also because that the prophet does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but revelation from Allah Almighty.

      Allah Almighty says:

    “And he does not speak out of his (own) desire”. (53:3) “His speech is nothing but Revelation, which is sent to him” (53:4)

    As for checking the hadith whether it is hadith of the prophet peace be upon him or not or the fabricated one, this is another matter of discussion. In other words, whether the hadith mentioned in Sahih Bukhari And Saheeh Muslim is the hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him or not, it is another subject-matter of discussion.  

    We are discussing authoritativeness (Hujjiyat) of Hadees, nor the authenticity of a particular hadees, so we better continue it or you have faith in the authoritativeness of the prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) which is the part of Iman, without which the faith is incomplete and without which claiming to have faith in the Qur'an is merely a claim and not the fact of a true believer of the holy Qur'an.

    Again I request you to not confuse the topic of authoritativeness of hadith with that of authenticity of hadith. Both topics are different from each other.  

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/12/2015 1:18:10 AM



  • Ghulam Ghaus sahib jee,

    Kya Islam sword/Talwar ke zariye phaila hai, please urdu me jawab dijiye?  

    By Saira bano - 2/12/2015 12:22:48 AM



  • شعار اسلام کا استھزاء کرنا کفر ہے ۔ داڑھی اور اذان وغیرہ شعار اسلام میں سے ہے لھذا اس کا استھزاء کرنا کفر ہے۔ 

    By Aafaq Ali - 2/12/2015 12:10:17 AM



  • Good Morning Ghulam Gaus,

     

    As-Salaam Alay-Kum

     

    First of all, my sincere appreciated is extended to you for your detailed response. Having said this, I would like to review few of your remarks as follows:

     

    Comment: 3

     

    GG – According to me, the verse does not reject the authoritativeness of hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. What is clear from the verse is that it asks the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty to all the people, promising him immunity and protection from the then militant pagans.

     

    RL – “Convey the message of Allah Almighty!” Wasn’t this meant to be the verses straight from the Quran and all of its commandments? Was the authoritativeness of Hadiths by Sahih Bukharni and Sahih Muslim mentioned in the Quran? If not then, how can you claim as such? It is my understanding that whatever Prophet of Islam uttered was a direct revelation from Almighty Allah, period.

     

    Comment: 4

     

    GG - The verse 5:67 (Al-Mai’dah (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse: 67) clearly commands the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty, promising him immunity and protection from the militant pagans. The very point of the Qur’anic verse is also mentioned in various narrations and hadith talking about reasons and circumstances (Asbab-e-Nuzul) of this verse.

     

    This Hadith is recorded in Two Sahihs. Another narration for this Hadith reads, Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `A'ishah said, "The Prophet was being guarded until this Ayah, (Allah will protect you from mankind) was revealed.''

     

    RL – You went through the trouble to refer a couple of Hadiths, however, my simple point is, “Didn’t the verse itself claimed ‘God will defend you from mankind’.?” Are you saying that every Muslim must also read Tafsirs of Tabari, Kathir, Qurtabi and various other books of Tafsirs and books of Hadiths to extract the meaning of “God will defend you from mankind.” Why do you feel that this crystal clear sentence right from the Quran, needs to be explained with references to so many books of Hadiths?  

     

    Comment: 5

     

    GG - I read the verse 5:67 time and again to find out any clue supporting your standpoint against the authoritativeness of hadith in your quoted verse 5:67, but I could not get success, surely because there is no such clue in the verse to support your standpoint. I have read even the verses that precede the verse 5:67 but I could not find anything against authoritativeness of hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.

     

    After understanding the verse 5:67 from the verse 5:64, I have reached out to the same conclusion that the verse 5:67 asks the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty to all the people, promising him immunity and protection from the then militant pagans. Thus, I do not find any way to match your speech “Doesn’t this verse (5:67) means that the faithful followers of Prophet of Islam concentrated only on the Quranic verses?” with what is exactly meant in the verse 5:67.

     

    RL – Why are you having such a difficult time? Here are some of the excerpts from the Quranic verses from Surah: Al-Mai’dah (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse: 64 through 67:

     

    5:64 – “What is revealed to you from your Lord.”

     

    5:65 – “If they had observed the Torah and the Gospel and what was revealed to them from their Lord.”

     

    5:66 – “O, Messenger, deliver what has been sent down to you by your Lord.”

     

    5:67 – “What is revealed to you from your Lord.”

     

    You seem to be totally confused. The emphasis on, “What is revealed to you,refers only to Torah, Gospel and Quran. Did Almighty Allah in all of the Quranic verses ever revealed about the secondary sources of Islam? Prophet of Islam spoke only about Almighty Allah’s message and taught his followers the same. Let there be no confusion about this fact.

     

    Simply put, “What is revealed to you from your Lord,” means direct revelation from Him. There cannot be any duplicate version of Almighty Allah’s revelations. That’s the clue which you are not able to comprehend. The reason being, your mind remains foggy due to dwelling in too many versions of the “Science of Hadiths.”          

     

    Comment: 6

     

    GG - Some verses also say that we Muslims cannot be true believers until we make our beloved prophet a judge in every dispute (social, cultural, economic, religious, etc) a judge that arises among us. Thus, concentrating only on the holy Qur’an, we find that we cannot be true believers until we follow the judgment of the prophet peace be upon him and submit to his decision gladly with total submission.

     

    Some verses also say that we Muslims cannot be true believers until we make our beloved prophet a judge in every dispute (social, cultural, economic, religious, etc) a judge that arises among us. Thus, concentrating only on the holy Qur’an, we find that we cannot be true believers until we follow the judgment of the prophet peace be upon him and submit to his decision gladly with total submission.

     

    RL – Did you realize the statement which you have made? “Concentrating only on the Holy Qur’an, we find that we cannot be true believers.” I do not quite know how other readers will interpret it, but what you are telling me is that, if as a Muslim, I believe in the Holy Quran, then, I will not be considered as a “True Believer. Isn’t this remark of yours clearly implies that as a Muslim, one has to believe in all the books of Hadiths in order to be able to be qualified as a “True Believer”? Correct me, if I am wrong?

     

    Very sincerely yours,

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia   

     

     

      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

     

     

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/11/2015 7:32:38 PM



  • Comment: 7

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    Under the thread of an article of newageislam.com, you say, “NEITHER JEWS NOR CHRISTIANS ARE INFIDELS”.

    From this, I am not clear whether you have said it in a general application or you want to say that some Jews and Christians are not infidels whereas some of them are infidels. Please explain it detail.

    Not even in the holy Qur’an, I have read “neither Jews nor Christians are infidels” in a general application. Since you have mentioned me in your comment and asked me to say something about it, I would definitely do it.

    But I have not yet finished the series of my comments to justify the already justified and accepted authoritativeness of Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him among the majority mainstream Muslims of the globe. I am still working on the Quranic references, historical facts of compilation of Hadith, memorization of Hadith during the era of the period of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, pondering over the best criteria of checking Hadith through sciences of Asma al-rijal and jarh wa tadeel, etc.

    So, I would like to know from you and other commentators whether I should finish my work first at this ongoing topic or I should jump to another topic if Jews and Christians are infidels or not. Both the topics are different from each other. The former topic is related to sciences of hadith, compilation of prophetic traditions and biographies of reporters, preservers of hadith and scholars of law among the companions etc, while the latter one is related to Ilm al-Kalam (literally: science of discourse).

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia, other well-experienced commentators are mentioning me in their comments while I am busy with you. Please choose one of them and tell me so that we can continue it as I have also promised Mr. Asif Haryanivi the detailed explanation of authoritativeness of Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, otherwise it would be very difficult to come to any conclusion of any particular topic.

    Regards!

    Ghulam Ghaus: ghlmghaus@gmail.com    

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 7:47:17 AM



  • Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    However, in more reply to your question ““Doesn’t this verse means that the faithful followers of Prophet of Islam concentrated only on the Quranic verses?” 

    I would like to say to you that if we concentrate only on the Quran, we would find a lot of Qur’anic verses which command Muslims to follow and obey Allah and his beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Some verses also say that we Muslims cannot be true believers until we make our beloved prophet a judge in every dispute (social, cultural, economic, religious, etc) a judge that arises among us. Thus, concentrating only on the holy Qur’an, we find that we cannot be true believers until we follow the judgment of the prophet peace be upon him and submit to his decision gladly with total submission, as it is clearly mentioned in the following verse:

    “So, (O Beloved,) by your Lord, they cannot become true believers until they make you a judge in every dispute that arises amongst them, and thereafter they do not feel any resentment in their hearts against the judgment that you make, and submit (to your decision) gladly, with total submission”. (4:65)

    Allah also says:

     “O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    Allah Almighty says:

    “And neither a believing man nor a believing woman has (this) right that, when Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) have given judgment (or a command) about an affair, they should exercise their own choice in (doing or not doing that) work of theirs. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) certainly loses his way into open error” (33:36)

    Allah Almighty says:

    “O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    All this happens to us even when we concentrate only on the holy Qur’an of Allah Almighty, the lord of the entire universe. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 7:08:51 AM



  • Concentrating only on the Quranic verses. 
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 6:52:18 AM



  • Comment: 5,

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia, with due respect, 

    Concentrating only the Quranic verses, I read the verse 5:67 time and again to find out any clue supporting your standpoint against the authoritativeness of hadith in your quoted verse 5:67, but I could not get success, surely because there is no such clue in the verse to support your standpoint. I have read even the verses that precede the verse 5:67 but I could not find anything against authoritativeness of hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. 

    I am putting them here for being clearer for you and the readers as well.

     Allah Almighty says:

    “And the Jews say: ‘Allah’s hand is tied up (as if—God forbid!—He is miserly).’ Tied up be their (own) hands, and they have been cursed for what they have uttered! (The truth is that) both His hands are stretched out wide open (in showering His bounties and blessings). He spends (i.e., bestows His blessings on His servants) as He desires. And, (O Beloved,) the (Book) which has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly increase most of them in rebellion and disbelief (due to jealousy). And We have put among them hostility and spite till the Day of Resurrection. Whenever these people kindle the fire of war, Allah puts it out. And they are engaged in spreading mischief and disorder (everywhere) on the earth, and Allah does not like those who spread mischief”. (5:64)

    Urdu Translation (Surah Maidah, 5:64)

    ‘‘اور یہود کہتے ہیں کہ اﷲ کا ہاتھ بندھا ہوا ہے (یعنی معاذ اﷲ وہ بخیل ہے)، ان کے (اپنے) ہاتھ باندھے جائیں اور جو کچھ انہوں نے کہا اس کے باعث ان پر لعنت کی گئی، بلکہ (حق یہ ہے کہ) اس کے دونوں ہاتھ (جود و سخا کے لئے) کشادہ ہیں، وہ جس طرح چاہتا ہے خرچ (یعنی بندوں پر عطائیں) فرماتا ہے، اور (اے حبیب!) جو (کتاب) آپ کی طرف آپ کے ربّ کی جانب سے نازل کی گئی ہے یقیناً ان میں سے اکثر لوگوں کو (حسداً) سر کشی اور کفر میں اور بڑھا دے گی، اور ہم نے ان کے درمیان روزِ قیامت تک عداوت اور بغض ڈال دیا ہے، جب بھی یہ لوگ جنگ کی آگ بھڑکاتے ہیں اﷲ اسے بجھا دیتا ہے اور یہ (روئے) زمین میں فساد انگیزی کرتے رہتے ہیں، اور اﷲ فساد کرنے والوں کو پسند نہیں کرتا’’

    And if the People of the Book had believed (in Muhammad, the Messenger, [blessings and peace be upon him]) and adopted Godwariness, We would have removed all their sins (from their record), and would surely have admitted them to the blissful Gardens”. (5:65)

    Urdu Translation (Surah Maidah, 5:65)

    ‘‘اور اگر اہلِ کتاب (حضرت محمد مصطفی صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم پر) ایمان لے آتے اور تقوٰی اختیار کر لیتے تو ہم ان (کے دامن) سے ان کے سارے گناہ مٹا دیتے اور انہیں یقیناً نعمت والی جنتوں میں داخل کردیتے’’

    And had they established (their systems by enforcing) the Torah and the Injil (the Gospel), and whatever (more) was sent down to them from their Lord, they would have (been provided with the material resources so abundantly that they would have) received sustenance from above and from beneath their feet (as well, but the sustenance would never have exhausted). A section amongst them are moderate (i.e., they like the middle way), but what most of them are doing is extreme wickedness”. (5:66)

    Urdu Translation (Surah Maidah, 5:66)

    ‘‘اور اگر وہ لوگ تورات اور انجیل اور جو کچھ (مزید) ان کی طرف ان کے رب کی جانب سے نازل کیا گیا تھا (نافذ اور) قائم کردیتے تو (انہیں مالی وسائل کی اس قدر وسعت عطا ہوجاتی کہ) وہ اپنے اوپر سے (بھی) اور اپنے پاؤں کے نیچے سے (بھی) کھاتے (مگر رزق ختم نہ ہوتا)۔ ان میں سے ایک گروہ میانہ رَو (یعنی اعتدال پسند ہے)، اور ان میں سے اکثر لوگ جو کچھ کررہے ہیں نہایت ہی برا ہے’’

    O (Esteemed) Messenger! Communicate (to the people all) that has been revealed to you from your Lord. And if you did not do (so), then you would not deliver the Message of the Lord. And Allah will (Himself) protect your (life) from the (hostile) people. Surely, Allah does not show the path of guidance to those who disbelieve”. (5:67)

    Urdu Translation (Surah Maidah, 5:67)

    ‘‘اے (برگزیدہ) رسول! جو کچھ آپ کی طرف آپ کے رب کی جانب سے نازل کیا گیا ہے (وہ سارا لوگوں کو) پہنچا دیجئے، اور اگر آپ نے (ایسا) نہ کیا تو آپ نے اس (ربّ) کا پیغام پہنچایا ہی نہیں، اور اﷲ (مخالف) لوگوں سے آپ (کی جان) کی (خود) حفاظت فرمائے گا۔ بیشک اﷲ کافروں کو راہِ ہدایت نہیں دکھاتا’’

    After understanding the verse 5:67 from the verse 5:64, I have reached out to the same conclusion that the verse 5:67 asks the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty to all the people, promising him immunity and protection from the then militant pagans. Thus, I do not find any way to match your speech “Doesn’t this verse (5:67) means that the faithful followers of Prophet of Islam concentrated only on the Quranic verses?” with what is exactly meant in the verse 5:67. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 6:50:24 AM



  • Comment: 4

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    The verse 5:67 (Al-Mai’dah (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse: 67) clearly commands the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty, promising him immunity and protection from the militant pagans. The very point of the Qur’anic verse is also mentioned in various narrations and hadith talking about reasons and circumstances (Asbab-e-Nuzul) of this verse.

    Since I and majority mainstream Muslims following in the footsteps of holy companions of the prophet peace be upon him, support the authoritativeness of the Hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, let me please quote a hadith that talks about the situation prior to revelation of your the verse 5:67 that you quoted against the authoritativeness of the hadith:

    “Before this Ayah was revealed, the Prophet was being guarded, as Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah said that the Prophet was vigilant one night when she was next to him; she asked him, "What is the matter, O Allah's Messenger'' He said,(Would that a pious man from my companions guard me tonight!) She said, "Suddenly we heard the clatter of arms. The Prophet said,(Who is that''.) He (the new comer) replied, "I am Sa`d bin Malik (Sa`d bin Abi Waqqas).'' The Prophet asked, (What brought you here) He said, "I have come to guard you, Allah's O Messenger.'' `A'ishah said, "So, the Prophet slept (that night) and I heard the noise of sleep coming from him.)'' This Hadith is recorded in Two Sahihs. Another narration for this Hadith reads, Ibn Abi Hatim recorded that `A'ishah said, "The Prophet was being guarded until this Ayah, (Allah will protect you from mankind) was revealed.'' She added; "The Prophet raised his head from the room and said; (Verily, Allah guides not those who disbelieve.) It means, O Muhammad, you convey, and Allah guides whom He wills, and misguides whom He wills”.  (Please see Tafsir-e-Tabari, Tafsir ibn-e-Kathir, Tafsir-e-Qurtabi, and various other books of Tafsir and books of hadith)

    My standpoint is very clear from the above-quoted hadith in conformity with the Qur’anic verse 5:67. I will also clear it only from the Qur’an in the next comments. By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 1:42:59 AM



  • Comment 3:

    Mr. Rafiq Lodhia,

    In your latest comment, you quoted Surah: Al-Mai’dah (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse: 67.

    The verse is as follows:

    “O (Esteemed) Messenger! Communicate (to the people all) that has been revealed to you from your Lord. And if you did not do (so), then you would not deliver the Message of the Lord. And Allah will (Himself) protect your (life) from the (hostile) people. Surely, Allah does not show the path of guidance to those who disbelieve”. (5:67)

    Urdu Translation

    ‘‘اے (برگزیدہ) رسول! جو کچھ آپ کی طرف آپ کے رب کی جانب سے نازل کیا گیا ہے (وہ سارا لوگوں کو) پہنچا دیجئے، اور اگر آپ نے (ایسا) نہ کیا تو آپ نے اس (ربّ) کا پیغام پہنچایا ہی نہیں، اور اﷲ (مخالف) لوگوں سے آپ (کی جان) کی (خود) حفاظت فرمائے گا۔ بیشک اﷲ کافروں کو راہِ ہدایت نہیں دکھاتا’’

    After quoting this verse, you say, “The question of the day is, “Doesn’t this verse means that the faithful followers of Prophet of Islam concentrated only on the Quranic verses”?

    Let it be clear to the readers that you have quoted this verse and tabled your own statement against my last three or four comments, in which I only referenced Qur’anic verses to support authoritativeness of Hadith of our beloved prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. This shows that your stand is against the authoritativeness of hadith. I am surely right, aren’t I?  

    In Reply to your question:

    I would say that your quoted verse of the Qur’an does not support your stand in anyway. The readers can ponder over the same verse time and again and can do a just research, using their granted wisdom and with the help of Allah Almighty. According to me, the verse does not reject the authoritativeness of hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. What is clear from the verse is that it asks the prophet peace be upon him to convey the message of Allah Almighty to all the people, promising him immunity and protection from the then militant pagans. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/11/2015 12:54:21 AM



  • Ghulam Ghaus Saheb,

     

    Subject: THE LABYRINTH OF HADITHS

     

    You replied to Asif Haryavni as follows:

     

    “Negation of institution of hadith or its authoritativeness is coming only from few who are unable to taste sweetness of Iman (faith) and are tearing Muslims apart.”

     

    “Whenever the scholars of hadith find any speech that contradict the message of the Qur’an, they try to look for conformity between them, and when it is not possible, they prefer the message of the Quran and leave the hadith.”

     

    “Obviously, these days we are unable to find our beloved prophet in front of our eyes, so it is incumbent upon us to follow his sayings, unprecedented examples of good behaviour, mercy, tolerance, justice, peaceful teachings and noble attitudes mentioned in Ahadith.”  

     

    “This is also because that the prophet does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but revelation from Allah Almighty.”

     

    Respecting everything that you stated, may I quote a Quranic verse as follows:

     

    “O Messenger, deliver whatever has been sent down to you by your Lord. If you do not do so, you will not have conveyed His message. God will defend you from mankind. For God does not guide those who deny the truth.”

     

    Surah: Al-Mai’dah (The Table) – Chapter: 5 – Verse: 67

     

    The question of the day is, “Doesn’t this verse means that the faithful followers of Prophet of Islam concentrated only on the Quranic verses? In my message to Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi, I questioned him about Almighty Allah’s proclamation, “We made it easy to learn lessons from the Quran,” Hence, where did all the massive confusion, erupted in the Islamic history? Did we betray the divine book, Ghaus Saheb?  

     

    Interestingly, even you clearly stated as follows:

     

    “The prophet does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but revelation from Allah Almighty.”

     

    Well then, if Prophet’s speech is a direct revelation from Almighty Allah, then why did thousands of sayings were recorded more than two hundred years later? For all I know, there are only 114 chapters in the Holy Quran. Isn’t that should be enough for the Muslims to focus on? I therefore, earnestly request you, not to entangle the readers in what can be rightly termed as, THE LABYRINTH OF HADITHS.

     

    Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia


      mohammedrafiqlodhia

    http://www.wethemoderatemuslims.com

    By Mohammed Rafiq Lodhia - 2/10/2015 11:04:50 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus.
    Please do continue your work. I will not disturb you. However I may put some questions to you. We may not agree but can be mutually smooth as we have been most of the time.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/10/2015 10:27:46 AM



  • Mr. RATIONAL, 

    The authoritativeness of the hadith has a great place and secondary source of Islam after the holy Quran. This is the faith of majority mainstream Muslims except a few. Negation of institution of hadith or its authoritativeness is coming only from few who are unable to taste sweetness of Iman (faith) and are tearing Muslims apart. 

    Please let me continue the series of comments. If you have any question regarding the institution or authoritativeness of hadith, you can simply put it, i will try my level best to ponder over them and write on them in this series of comments.  
    Let me also tell you that i was busy in other pieces of work like translating articles of this forum, but i have set my mind to complete the ongoing topic about institution of hadith, leaving other pieces of work aside. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/10/2015 9:02:05 AM



  • Ham majbooron pe naahaq tohmat mukhtari ki
    Jo chaahe so aap Karen hain hamko abas badnaam kiya.
    Ulti ho gayi sab tadbeeren, Kuchh na dawaa me ma'am kiya.......
    Meet me.Deen o.mazhab ko.kiya poochte ho unne to kaahqa kheencha, dair men baithaa kab kaa tark Islam kiya.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/10/2015 8:59:53 AM



  • Headache only headache. Mins confusing not mind enlightening.
    Allah incapable to delivers clear message.
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/10/2015 8:50:07 AM



  • If you people can't agree on clear verses how you can on allegorical. 
    Even clear verses of the Quran  divide Muslims. Forget hadith. First setyle issues with Quran. Are 1400 years not enough.

    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/10/2015 8:47:37 AM



  • Comment: 2

    Mr. Asif Haryanvi, I have never heard any Muslim saying “the Qur’an is incomplete without Hadith”.

    I believe that the Qur’an is not incomplete without Hadith, but I also believe that many times, we greatly need our prophet’s speech or his sayings or his hadith to understand the miraculous verses of the Qur’an.

    Taking about the authenticity and fabrication of any speech of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him is another matter of discussion.

    Some of people have great misunderstanding about the basic concept of hadith’s definition. They think that the fabricated ones are hadith, while no scholar of hadith during the 1400 years has yet described the fabricated speech as the truly hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Whenever in their books about the Hadith’s terms and definition they mention ‘Mazu hadith’ (fabricated hadith), they mention it metaphorically and do not mean the truly hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. So, scholars of hadith unanimously agree that the term hadith does not apply to the fabricated one.

    It should be noted that according to Islamic jurisprudence, whenever the scholars of hadith find any speech that contradict the message of the Qur’an, they try to look for conformity between them, and when it is not possible, they prefer the message of the Quran and leave the hadith. If we do not find any disagreement between the Quran and hadith, it is incumbent upon us to follow the hadith of the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him as well. Similarly if we are unable to find any solution to our worldly problems in the Qur’an, we should make our holy prophet as our judge in every controversial matter that arises among us. Obviously, these days we are unable to find our beloved prophet in front of our eyes, so it is incumbent upon us to follow his sayings, unprecedented examples of good behaviour, mercy, tolerance, justice, peaceful teachings and noble attitudes mentioned in Ahadith.  

    Allah Almighty says: “So, (O Beloved,) by your Lord, they cannot become true believers until they make you a judge in every dispute that arises amongst them, and thereafter they do not feel any resentment in their hearts against the judgment that you make, and submit (to your decision) gladly, with total submission”. (4:65)

     

     

    If someone obeys the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he will be tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. If someone disobeys the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he will be tantamount to disobey Almighty God.

    As Allah Almighty also says: “Whoever obeys the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) obeys (but) Allah indeed, but he who turns away, then We have not sent you to watch over them”. (4:80)

    )جس نے رسول (صلی اللہ علیہ وآلہ وسلم) کا حکم مانا بیشک اس نے اللہ (ہی) کا حکم مانا، اور جس نے روگردانی کی تو ہم نے آپ کو ان پر نگہبان بنا کر نہیں بھیجا(

    This is also because that the prophet does not speak anything out of his own desire, but rather his speech is nothing but revelation from Allah Almighty.

      Allah Almighty says:

    “And he does not speak out of his (own) desire”. (53:3) “His speech is nothing but Revelation, which is sent to him” (53:4)

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/10/2015 8:45:22 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus
    Why don't you agree with scholars who are saying that the Quran doesn't need hadith to understand it?
    Why you people are tearing people apart?
    You claim one thing from the same Quran and your scholar Mohammed yunus claims just opposite?
    What kind of book is this? 
    By rational mohammed yunus - 2/10/2015 8:40:01 AM



  • Dear Ghaus,

     

    Is the the Qur'an incomplete without the Hadith?

    By Asif haryanvi - 2/10/2015 7:58:09 AM



  • Comment: 1

    Dear Asif Haryanvi sb, Mainstream majority Muslims unanimously believe in authoritativeness of hadith. Their having faith in obedience to the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him not only fully conforms to the Qur’an but also is mandatory upon them.

    Taking into account the questions, doubts and hypothetical views circulating on this forum regarding the authoritativeness of hadith, I need a lot of time and space to complete the evidences from the Qur’an, Hadith, historical facts regarding the compilation of Ahadith, general and specific application of Ahadith etc, criteria of checking the Ahadith in accordance to the Qura’n etc, based on the required necessity of our time.     

    Starting from the holy Qur’an:

    Proofs from the holy Qur’an aks us to follow and obey the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him.  

    O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    And neither a believing man nor a believing woman has (this) right that, when Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) have given judgment (or a command) about an affair, they should exercise their own choice in (doing or not doing that) work of theirs. And whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) certainly loses his way into open error” (33:36)

     “So, (O Beloved,) by your Lord, they cannot become true believers until they make you a judge in every dispute that arises amongst them, and thereafter they do not feel any resentment in their hearts against the judgment that you make, and submit (to your decision) gladly, with total submission”. (4:65)

     “O believers! Obey Allah and obey the Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) and those (men of truth) who hold command amongst you. Then if you disagree amongst yourselves over any issue, refer it to Allah and the Messenger ([blessings and peace be upon him] for final judgment), if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is best (for you) and best for the end result” (4:59)

    In this Quranic verse the word اطيعوا   meaning ‘obey’ is repeated twice. One for Almighty Allah and second for the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him. Obeying Allah means to obey Quran and obeying the prophet Muahammd peace be upon him means to obey Hadiths and Sunnah. If someone disobeys the Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he will be tantamount to disobey Almighty God and if someone obeys the prophet Muhammad peace be upon him, he will be tantamount to obey Allah Almighty. By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 2/10/2015 7:44:04 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, what is your standpoint about the authoritativeness of hadith? Is it necessary for a muslim to follow hadith? is there any proof from quran about it ?
    Recently i have read Mr Rafiq Lodhia under some thread of the article with the same questions. So please do not ignore my questions.
    By Asif haryanvi - 2/10/2015 5:42:12 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, what is your standpoint about the authoritativeness of hadith? Is it necessary for a muslim to follow hadith? is there any proof from quran about it ?
    Recently i have read Mr Rafiq Lodhia under some thread of the article with the same questions. So please do not ignore my questions.
    By Asif haryanvi - 2/10/2015 5:41:41 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Feed the hungry, visit the sick, and set free the captives."  (Al-Bukhari)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should not harm his neighbor, and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should entertain his guest generously and anybody who believes in Allah and the Last Day should talk what is good or keep quiet (i.e. abstain from all kinds of evil talk).” (Al-Bukhari)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Help your brother, whether he is an oppressor or he is an oppressed one. People asked, "O Allah's Apostle! It is all right to help him if he is oppressed, but how should we help him if he is an oppressor?" The Prophet said, "By preventing him from oppressing others."  (Al-Bukhari)
    By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:06:53 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Any man whom Allah has given the authority of ruling some people and he does not look after them in an honest manner will never feel even the smell of Paradise." (Al-Bukhari) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:05:51 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "There are four qualities which, if they are found in you, then nothing will harm you in the world: Fulfilling the trust, truthful speech, good character, and restraint with food." (Hadith in Musnad Ahmad) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:05:27 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Give gifts to one another, and you will love one another." (Abu Dawud)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Anyone who spends money on his family and seeks blessings for doing so will find it counted charity on his behalf." (Al-Bukhari)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “Whoever would be pleased to have their sustenance and lifespan increased, let them maintain their ties of kinship”. (Al-Bukhari)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “Charity does not in any way decrease the wealth, and the servant who forgives Allah adds to his respect, and the one who shows humility Allah elevates him in the estimation (of the people).” (Muslim)
     Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Save yourself from Hell-fire even by giving half a date-fruit in charity.” (Al-Bukhari)
    By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:04:33 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Be careful of suspicion, for it is the most mistaken of all speech. Do not spy on others, don’t compete among yourselves, don’t envy one another, or despise one another. Rather, be servants of Allah and brothers!" (Al-Bukhari) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:03:21 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “Richness does not lie in the abundance of (worldly) goods, but richness is the richness of the soul (heart, self).” (Muslim) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:02:40 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “He who does not show mercy to our young or show esteem for our elders is not one of us.” (Al-Bukhari) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:02:12 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "You will not enter paradise until you have faith; and you will not complete your faith till you love one another." (Muslim) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:01:43 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Keep yourselves far from envy; because it eats up and takes away good actions, like a fire eats up and burns wood." (Abu Dawud) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:01:14 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Whoever is kind, Allah will be kind to him; therefore be kind to man on the earth and He Who is in heaven will show mercy on you."(Abu Dawud & Tirmidhi) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 9:00:47 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "A Muslim who plants a tree or sows a field, from which man, birds and animals can eat, is committing an act of charity." (Muslim) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:59:58 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "Do you know what is better than charity and fasting and prayer? It is keeping peace and good relations between people, as quarrels and bad feelings destroy mankind." (Al-Bukhari & Muslim) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:59:20 AM



  •  Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: "The perfect Muslim is not a perfect Muslim, who eats till he is full and leaves his neighbors hungry." (Al-Baihaqi) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:58:50 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “The most beloved of Allah’s servants to Allah are those with the best manners.” (At-Tabarani) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:58:21 AM



  • Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, said: “Nothing is weightier on the Scale of Deeds than one’s good manners.” (Al-Bukhari) By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:57:45 AM



  • There is no forcible conversion in Islam. The Qur’an says “There is no compulsion in the religion”. The holy prophet is the mercy for the whole world. Islam gives a high status to all prophets. It ensures to protect human rights without any discrimination.

    Muslims should follow this teaching. Non-Muslims too think of the very peaceful teaching of Islam. Both of them should co-operate to fight against every kind of terrorism, extremism.

    By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 8:54:24 AM



  • Dear Ahmad saheb, Your comment is worthy of notice as a lesson especially for those who think Islamic science as bogus. I think Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus should learn this lesson from your comment. 

    By Anees - 9/8/2014 8:49:24 AM



  • True Interfaith Dialogue

    The Quran instructs us to be acquainted with other nations and have good relations with them.

    49:13 O mankind! We created you from a single (pair) of a male and a female, and made you into nations and tribes, that ye may know each other (not that ye may despise (each other). Verily the most honoured of you in the sight of Allah is (he who is) the most righteous of you. And Allah has full knowledge and is well acquainted (with all things).

    According to this verse it is imperative to know other cultures and communicate with them.

    This verse establish an important concept: that it is God Himself who "made us into nations and tribes," and so it is the will of God to have human diversity. We, as humans, have to look at this diversity as we look to flowers of different colors. Each one adds more beauty and complements the others.

    In this section we will implement this Quranic commandment by learning more about the various cultures and beliefs that coexist with us.

    The Quran:

    Quran {3:190-191} Behold! in the creation of the heavens and the earth, and the alternation of night and day,- there are indeed Signs for men of understanding,- those who remember God, standing, sitting, and lying down on their sides, and contemplate the (wonders of) creation in the heavens and the earth, (With the thought): Our Lord! not for naught Hast Thou created (all) this! Glory to Thee!

    Quran {18:109} Say: "If the ocean were ink (wherewith to write out) for the words of my Lord, sooner would the ocean be exhausted than would the words of my Lord, even if we (God) added another ocean like it, for its aid."

    Quran {22:18} Seest thou not that to God bow down in worship all things that are in the heavens and on earth,- the sun, the moon, the stars; the hills, the trees, the animals; and a great number among mankind? But a great number are (also) such as are fit for Punishment: and such as Allah shall disgrace,- None can raise to honour: for God carries out all that He wills.

    Quran {24:41} Seest thou not that it is God Whose praises all beings in the heavens and on earth do celebrate, and the birds (of the air) with wings outspread? Each one knows its own (mode of) prayer and praise. And God knows well all that they do.

    Quran {39:21} Seest thou not that God sends down rain from the sky, and leads it through springs in the earth? Then He causes to grow, therewith, produce of various colours: then it withers; thou wilt see it grow yellow; then He makes it dry up and crumble away. Truly, in this, is a Message of remembrance to men of understanding.

    Quran {35:27-28} Seest thou not that God sends down rain from the sky? With it We then bring out produce of various colours. And in the mountains are tracts white and red, of various shades of colour, and black intense in hue. And so amongst men and crawling creatures and cattle, are they of various colours. Those truly know the power of God, among His Servants, the scientists: for God is Exalted in Might, Oft-Forgiving.

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 8:41:49 AM



  • Mr Anees:
    I agree with you. Einstein also said that if science cannot explain a religious text (say Bible), the science should explore a little deeper. On the contrary scientists of today say that if a religious text is not corroborated by science, religious text must be rejected as false. Einstein believed that science keeps evolving and in science nothing is final. So he means that if scientific research does not fidn a religious text convincing, it does not mean that religious text is false but it means that science has not reached the truth stated in the religious text. We know that God has created the universe, so he knows the universe like the back of our palms and it is He who has written Bible or Quran or Torah. He has written about His universe in his Books. So will he put wrong facts in his own Book about the universe He Himself has created? The answer is No. Somewhere in the Quran God says, @Will he not know his own creations? Science has testified to many phenomena in nature that have been mentioned in the Quran over the centuries and it will discover more facts mentioned in the Quran. Einstein was more more progressive in his approach towards religion unlike his colleagues.
    By ahmad - 9/8/2014 8:37:25 AM



  • Dr. Tahirul Qadri is a good example for all Ulemas to follow. He is fighting for the rights of not only Muslims but also of minorities like Hindus, Christians, etc. Different religious followers are present in the protest against corruption. When I visited this video, I got some kind of encouragement.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=97B1DmeVuYw

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 9/8/2014 8:23:30 AM



  • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus,

    Tejatat Tejasen, Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and is the former Dean of the faculty of Medicine, University of Chiang Mai, Chiang Mai, Thailand, says:

    "In the last three years, I became interested in the Qur'an... From my studies and what I have learned throughout this conference, I believe that everything that has been recorded in the Qur'an fourteen hundred years ago must be the truth, that can be proved by the scientific means.

    Since the Prophet Muhammad could neither read nor write, Muhammad must be a messenger who relayed this truth which was revealed to him as an enlightenment by the one who is eligible creator. This creator must be God, or Allah.

    I think this is the time to say La ilaha illa Allah, there is no god to worship except Allah (God), Muhammad rasoolu Allah, Muhammad is Messenger of Allah...

    The most precious thing I have gained from coming to this conference is La ilaha illa Allah, and to have become Muslim."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 7:37:44 AM



  • I support you Mr. Harith. Eientien once said "Science without religion is lame and Religion without science is blind".  By Anees - 9/8/2014 7:03:26 AM



  • Fine thinking ! "When Poverty, starvation, unjust treatment, discrimination and corruption are displayed towards a particular group in a locality, they become fertile grounds for the rise of extremist religious tendencies. At such times, Knowledge of other religions and values are important aspects and need to be torched by all. The true spirits of all religions call for equality and justice. So they can fight together against all kinds of oppression, whether economic, social or political"

    By JABIR - 9/8/2014 6:50:47 AM



  • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus, Dr. Maurice Bucaille, Born in 1920, former chief of the Surgical Clinic, University of Paris, has for a long time deeply interested in the correspondences between the teachings of the Holy Scriptures and modern secular knowledge.

    After a study which lasted ten years, Dr. Maurice Bucaille addressed the French Academy of Medicine in 1976 concerning the existence in the Qur'an of certain statements concerning physiology and reproduction. His reason for doing that was that :

    "...our knowledge of these disciplines is such, that it is impossible to explain how a text produced at the time of the Qur'an could have contained ideas that have only been discovered in modern times."

    "The above observation makes the hypothesis advanced by those who see Muhammad as the author of the Qur'an untenable. How could a man, from being illiterate, become the most important author, in terms of literary merits, in the whole of Arabic literature?

    How could he then pronounce truths of a scientific nature that no other human-being could possibly have developed at that time, and all this without once making the slightest error in his pronouncement on the subject?"

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:47:06 AM



  •  Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus, Professor Siaveda, Professor of Marine Geology, Japan.

    "I think it seems to me very, very mysterious, almost unbelievable. I really think if what you have said is true, the book is really a very remarkable book, I agree." 

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:45:42 AM



  • Religion does not fight. Only men fight. Then who is responsible, religion or men? By Lalit - 9/8/2014 6:42:25 AM



  • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus, Durja Rao, Professor of Marine Geology teaching at King Abdulaziz University, Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, says:

    "It is difficult to imagine that this type of knowledge was existing at that time, around 1400 years back. May be some of the things they have simple idea about, but to describe those things in great detail is very difficult. So this is definitely not simple human knowledge. A normal human being cannot explain this phenomenon in that much detail. So, I thought the information must have come from a supernatural source." By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:40:43 AM



  • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus

    William Hay, Professor of Oceanogprahy, University of Colorado, Boulder, Colorado, USA.

    "I find it very interesting that this sort of information is in the ancient scriptures of the Holy Qur'an, and I have no way of knowing where they would have come from. But I think it is extremely interesting that they are there and this work is going on to discover it, the meaning of some of the passages."

    And when he was asked about the source of the Qur'an, he replied, "Well, I would think it must be the divine being."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:39:33 AM



    • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus 

    Professor Armstrong, Professor Armstrong works for NASA and is also Professor of Astronomy, University of Kansas, Lawrence, Kansas, USA.

    "That is a difficult question which I have been thinking about since our discussion here. I am impressed at how remarkably some of the ancient writings seem to correspond to modern and recent Astronomy. I am not a sufficient scholar of human history to project myself completely and reliably into the circumstances that 1400 years ago would have prevailed.

    Certainly, I would like to leave it at that, that what we have seen is remarkable, it may or may not admit of scientific explanation, there may well have to be something beyond what we understand as ordinary human experience to account for the writings that we have seen."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:31:53 AM



  • Yushidi Kusan, Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan, "I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:30:25 AM



  • Yushidi Kusan, Director of the Tokyo Observatory, Tokyo, Japan.

    "I say, I am very much impressed by finding true astronomical facts in Qur'an, and for us modern astronomers have been studying very small piece of the universe. We have concentrated our efforts for understanding of very small part. Because by using telescopes, we can see only very few parts of the sky without thinking about the whole universe. So by reading Qur'an and by answering to the questions, I think I can find my future way for investigation of the universe."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:18:44 AM



  • Alfred Kroner, the Professor of the Department of Geosciences, University of Mainz, Germany.

     "Thinking where Muhammad came from... I think it is almost impossible that he could have known about things like the common origin of the universe, because scientists have only found out within the last few years with very complicated and advanced technological methods that this is the case."

    "Somebody who did not know something about nuclear physics 1400 years ago could not, I think, be in a position to find out from his own mind for instance that the earth and the heavens had the same origin, or many others of the questions that we have discussed here...

    If you combine all these and you combine all these statements that are being made in the Qur'an in terms that relate to the earth and the formation of the earth and science in general, you can basically say that statements made there in many ways are true, they can now be confirmed by scientific methods, and in a way, you can say that the Qur'an is a simple science text book for the simple man. And that many of the statements made in there at that time could not be proven, but that modern scientific methods are now in a position to prove what Muhammad said 1400 years ago.

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 6:13:21 AM



  • we do believe in all prophets, all angels, all books of Allah. This is why My Islam is the best.  By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 6:06:01 AM



  • "so saying your religion/your book/your prophet is best" is violation of the definition of a Muslim by Quran
    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 5:58:50 AM



  • Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 5:37:03 AM

    ask mr sultan shahin, mr mohammed yunus and mr ghulam m. Is Islam best?
    the Quran says 285. "Amana alrrasoolu bima onzila ilayhi min rabbihi waalmu/minoona kullun amana biAllahi wamala-ikatihi wakutubihi warusulihi la nufarriqu bayna ahadin min rusulihi waqaloo samiAAna waataAAna ghufranaka rabbana wa-ilayka almaseeru"

    read the underlined. Is still your prophet best? if you believe other vise you are against the Quran.

    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 5:55:23 AM



  • Mr Haarith - 9/8/2014 5:35:12 AM

    Ok, finish. we will proceed if you will like.
    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 5:41:04 AM



  • Mr Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:51:24 AM
    "the prophet was unlettered" is a debatable issue. Is being illiterate a virtue?
    Couldn't prophet become a role model if he had learned to read and write? if he was illiterate till his death, it is not something you should take pride in.
    The author of the Quran is confused with word "ummi"
    Read article of Edip Euksel a turkish scholar, about the literacy of the prophet.


    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 5:39:21 AM



  • My religion is the best. My Islam is the best. OK. what is the problem with you? Are you extremist to have hate against fellow Muslims? By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 5:37:03 AM



  •  rational mohamme dyunus saheb, i have not finished my points. After finishing them i will think whether i should give you answer or leave you then and there. 
    Gerald C. Goeringer
    "...In a relatively few ayahs (Qur'anic verses) is contained a rather comprehensive description of human development from the time of commingling of the gametes through organogenesis. No such distinct and complete record of human development such as classification, terminology, and description existed previously. In most, if not all instances, this description antedates by many centuries the recording of the various stages of human embryonic and fetal development recorded in the traditional scientific literature."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 5:35:12 AM



  • O' Israel, You can kill billions of children, billions of innocent lives, but you can not kill Islam. We Muslims can eat your bullets, face your terrorism but can never leave Islam. My Islam is not weak like so-called Muslims who due to fear or personal interests appear to go against Islam, Quran and Hadees.  By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 5:31:48 AM



  • Mr Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:58:04 AM
    there is a hadith in which Sun prostate before the Arsh where Allah sits and ask permission to ise and set? can you explain how it is going to guide Muslims in the field of science?
    many of the so called scientific truths present in the Quran and Hadith were known to people.
    Since the prophet traveled far, met people he said what he heard.
    Now Muslims are trying to stretch their imagination and inflating their pride. this is the mentality of backward people in the science.
    Muslims find every science in the Quran, Hindus in the Vedas and Christian in Bible. Each of them deny the presence of science in other books. they leave no stone unturned in declaring other books false.
    to know the real story of religions, one should learn what many Hindus says about the Quran and Bible, what many Christians says about the Quran and Vedas and what Muslims says about the rest.
    Falsification of others religions is the real motto of the religions.

    Islam stands on the corruption of other books that is why it collects so much criticism from others.
    why the verses of the Quran which are inclusive don't stay before the verses which are exclusive?

    Why the Ahadith which are inclusive don't stay before the exclusives?
    My religion, my book, my prophet is the best,
    corruption, corruption  and corruption is the rest.
    Still people believe religions stand for peace. all religions are equal. this is the lie people hear and propagate.
    Are these books taught as scientific truths in the world? How many scientist of repute read these books and make them guide in thier fields.

    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 5:29:20 AM



  • True friendship can never be established among Hindus, Muslims, Christians, Jews. All those who are appearing to do such are pretendting to be so otherwise every thing becomes clear when it comes to personal interest.  By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 5:28:15 AM



  • Islam is the true religion in the world. I love Islam. I practice Islam. I will live with Islam and die with Islam. I do not fear America, I do not fear Israel, I do not fear Taliban, Alqaeda, i do not fear so-called Muslims' conspiracies. I fear none other than Allah. I love Allah. Whatever is mentioned in the Quran and Hadees is my faith. I should practice them everytime. I should not listen to any misinterpreted narrative made by Devil-like men. I should love Allah so much so that i should not have any time to think about any satan.  By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 5:25:38 AM



  • there should be no doubt that Science has been first created by Muslims, but very sad that Muslims left it centuries ago. By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 5:19:42 AM



  • Love as it is done today is haram according to islam. A boy should not look twice at any girl, whether a muslim or a hindu. By Lalit - 9/8/2014 5:12:28 AM



  • Congress went and Modi came with ‘love Jihad’ politics. Now can you please know that Jahwar Lal Nehru Ji had Muslim background.

    Dark Secrets of Muslim Nehru Family Tree

    (1) Jawahar Lal Nehru’s parents were Mobarak Ali and Swarup Rani. Mobarak died, so Swarup married Motilal Nehru. Motilal Nehru became step-father of Jawahar Lal. Jawahar’s wife Kamla Nehru died of tuberculosis. Their only daughter was Indira Nehru, whom we do not know as Indira Khan was married to Feroz Khan. Congress asked Indira Khan to adopt Gandhi as her surname to hide shame. Who is this Feroz? He was the Nehru family's kirana store guy's son who used to supply them groceries in their home named Anand Bhavan (previously known as Ishrat Manzil). In Indian context, the paternal grandfather is deemed to be more important. Then why do we only hear about Jawahar Lal Nehru who was Rajiv Gandhi's maternal grandfather, and never about his paternal grandfather? We do not even know his name! Considering the history of the family and their socio-political stature in the country.

    (2) Rajiv Gandhi's paternal grandfather was Nawab Khan, a Muslim who married a Parsi (surname Gandhy - associated with Parsis) woman after getting her converted to Islam for marriage. This is why the myth about Rajiv being a Parsi was derived. Therefore, Rajiv's father was actually Feroz Khan before marrying Indira against her mother's wishes. His name was changed to Feroz Gandhi before his marriage with Indira using an affidavit. Now how did Indira Nehru get married to Feroz Khan, being the daughter of the Prime Minister, especially in a conservative Indian society? Indira Nehru used to study in Shantiniketan University started by Rabindra Nath Tagore. She was expelled for her misdemeanor. Indira went to England when her father Jawahar was too busy in politics and illicit sex. In England, where their grocer's son Feroz was present at that time, she changed her religion to Islam and got married to Feroz Khan.

    (3) Upon this, realizing that it would not be positive for the Congress party, Mahatma Gandhi ordered Jawahar Lal Nehru to get Feroz's name changed to Feroz Gandhi. Now, only the name was changed and not the religion. And for public consumption, an institutional vedic marriage was mocked. Such an inter religious and inter caste marriage was not allowed by law at that time. So in reality, Indira was never married to Feroz. Indira had only one child with Feroz, Rajiv, thereafter they both lived separately, and Feroz died of reasons unknown.

    (4) Then where did Sanjay Gandhi come from? He was Rajiv's brother, or Indira's son. Sanjay Gandhi was actually Sanjiv, rhyming with Rajiv. He was born when Indira Gandhi had illicit sexual relationship with Mohammad Yunus. Sanjay was even circumcised according to Muslim traditions. His name was changed to Sanjay upon being charged with theft in England and being given a new passport under political influence from Jawahar Lal Nehru.

    (5) Now Sanjay made Menaka, a sikh girl who was a model, pregnant. Her father colonel Anand forced Sanjay to marry her. Indira Gandhi changed Menaka's name to Maneka. Menaka meaning dancer in Lord Indira's court did not appeal to Indira Gandhi. Mohammad Yunus cried the most, publicly, upon Sanjay Gandhi's death in a plane crash because he was his biological father. Both Sanjay and Rajiv Gandhi were bastards. And their mother Indira Gandhi gave birth to two kids with different fathers, without being married. Further Rajiv Gandhi went to UK and fell in love with Sania Maino (Italian). To get married to her, Rajiv changed his religion and became a Catholic, changed name to Roberto. They gave birth to Bianka and Raul. Quite cleverly these names are presented to the public as Sonia, Priyanka and Rahul.

    The surprise of surprises, Rajiv, even though he was a Catholic, was cremated as per Vedic rites in India.

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 5:09:21 AM



  • it happens this way:
    a hindu girl says to a muslim boy, 'i want to marry you'. That muslim boy says ' i can not marry you because i am a muslim. the girl says ok i will convert to islam, then if you would marry me. the boy says yes. 
    similarly a hindu boy marries a muslim girl by forcefully calling her to convert to hinduism. 
    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 5:04:08 AM



  • Muslim girls should not marry to hindu boys, according to islam , even then there is no voice against those who force and convert muslim girls to marry to hindu boys. I have many proofs. if want i will show it to you.  By Anees - 9/8/2014 5:01:01 AM



  • Joe Leigh Simpson, the Professor and Chairman of the Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Baylor College of Medicine, Houston, Texas, USA, says:
    "These Hadiths (sayings of Muhammad) could not have been obtained on the basis of the scientific knowledge that was available at the time of the 'writer'... It follows that not only is there no conflict between genetics and religion (Islam) but in fact religion (Islam) may guide science by adding revelation to some of the traditional scientific approaches... There exist statements in the Qur'an shown centuries later to be valid which support knowledge in the Qur'an having been derived from God." 

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:58:04 AM



  • rational mohamme dyunus saheb,
    IF "Every religion needs gunda elements for protection of the religions", then what would be better for us to follow? By Lalit - 9/8/2014 4:53:35 AM



  • Mr. Rational mohamme dyunus

    T.V.N. Persaud, the Professor of Anatomy, and Professor of Paediatrics and Child Health, University of Manitoba, Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada, says:    

    "It seems to me that Muhammad was a very ordinary man, he couldn't read, didn't know how to write, in fact he was an illiterate...

    We're talking about 1400 years ago, you have some illiterate person making profound statements that are amazingly accurate, of a scientific nature...

    I personally can't see how this could be mere chance, there are too many accuracies and like Dr. Moore, I have no difficulty in my mind reconciling that this is a divine inspiration or revelation which lead him to these statements." 

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:51:24 AM



  • Rational mohamme dyunus, What about his western scientist?

    E. Marshall Johnson, Professor and Chairman of the Department of Anatomy and Developmental Biology, and Director of the Daniel Baugh Institute, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, USA, says "...in summary, the Qur'an describes not only the development of external form, but emphasises also the internal stages, the stages inside the embryo, of its creation and development, emphasising major events recognised by contemporary science."

    "As a scientist, I can only deal with things which I can specifically see. I can understand embryology and developmental biology. I can understand the words that are translated to me from the Qur'an. As I gave the example before, if I were to transpose myself into that era, knowing what I do today and describing things, I could not describe the things that were described...

    I see no evidence to refute the concept that this individual Muhammad had to be developing this information from some place... so I see nothing here in conflict with the concept that divine intervention was involved in what he was able to write..."

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:46:48 AM



  • there is no love jehad in action but there are enough disturbing elements in all religions. they always cry "Islam/Hinduism is in danger" otherwise how can they gain support from the public.

    Every religion needs gunda elements for protection of the religions.
    Muslims are not faultless. they feel elated when some Muslim bring non-Muslim wife but is not ready to allow their own daughters/sisters to non-Muslims.
    I feel this is the reason behind the resentment/anger of non-Muslims.

    Are Muslims ready to allow their females to marry with non-Muslims? After all Muslim girls can also fall in love of non-Muslims in the society where genders are mixed.
    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 4:40:18 AM



  • Mr Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:10:30 AM
    Keith Moore was on the pay-role of Saudi King.
    Can you provide some proofs from the scientists working in western  universities? Can you provide some proofs from Noble winners in the field of biology?
    What other accomplishments can be attributed to king abdul aziz university? in which field?
    These kind of scinces are bogus sciences which originate from Muslim/paid non-Muslim scientists. it never prompt Muslims to do any research. it only aggravate the disease of  supremacy of Muslims.
    Muslims what did in the past can't be cashed forever. How long you will feed supremacy which is already overflowing.   what is the contribution in present is important and there is none.
    you must feel ashamed that 1.2 billions of Muslims don't produce science geniuses.
    Abdus salam though noble winner didn't received respect he deserved because he was Qadiyani. Muslim word was deleted from his grave stone.

     

    By rational mohamme dyunus - 9/8/2014 4:27:57 AM



  • “Ignore those that make you fearful and sad, that degrade you back towards disease and death.”

    ― Rumi

    By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 4:13:15 AM



  • Mr. Ravi Kumar, though you did not ask me your question, i want to give answer. Please read the role of early Muslims in developing science "For the past three years, I have worked with the Embryology Committee of King cAbdulaziz University in Jeddah, Saudi Arabia, helping them to interpret the many statements in the Qur'an and Sunnah referring to human reproduction and prenatal development. At first I was astonished by the accuracy of the statements that were recorded in the 7th century AD, before the science of embryology was established. Although I was aware of the glorious history of Muslim scientists in the 10th century AD, and some of their contributions to Medicine, I knew nothing about the religious facts and beliefs contained in the Qur'an and Sunnah." Keith L. Moore

    By Haarith - 9/8/2014 4:10:30 AM



  • Sufi poetry is beloved to me. “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

    ― Rumi

    By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 4:02:33 AM



  • When 26-year-old Roshni (name changed) wanted to marry her Muslim boyfriend last year, the opposition came not from their families but from a Hindu vigilante group, the Hindu Rakshak Samiti (HRS), active in this region close to Nasik.

    “They harassed my parents and relatives, saying we would be ostracised. They even threatened my husband’s family,” said Roshni , who went ahead with the marriage. But the days leading up to the ceremony were fraught with tension.

    The Hindu met with members of the HRS, who spoke openly about their campaign on the condition that they would not be named. Formed in 2005, the all-male squad has a clear agenda: “saving” Hindu women from Muslim men. They see themselves as warriors against what they call “Love Jihad,” a conspiracy theory floated by Hindutva groups like the Hindu Janjagruti Samiti which claims that Muslim men lure Hindu women into marriage with the aim of increasing their own population. The vigilantist propaganda campaign, which initially took root in Karnataka and Kerala, has now spread to this region in Maharashtra.
    By Anees - 9/8/2014 3:59:59 AM



  • To Tasleem Arif
    The term 'love Jihad' should be banned as soon as possible as it is developing hate among Muslims and non-Muslims.  By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 3:56:09 AM



  • I have a proof where some Muslim girls have been converted to Hinduism and married to by Hindu boys in my locality. So, which name this should be given? Should it be given the name of "Love Dharma" or what? i am astonished the way Hindu extremists are treating Muslim boys, under the excuse of so-called love jihad.  By Haarith - 9/8/2014 3:53:43 AM



  • The Name, "Love Jehad" is created from the sanghaprivar,theirself.may be at sanghanikhethana of RSS centre in mangalore.because In Islam there is no word of love jehad there is the term Jehad which has wide meaning.but after the arresting MohanKumar there is nobody to sympathy on thease love victims.,all the protesting also stoped, then they named him phcycopath killer.suppose if his name comes with arabic word like mohanad then may be our coastal karnataka is burning from sanghaparivar's goondas. By Mangalore/U.A.E - 9/8/2014 2:13:59 AM



  • Fake ‘Love Jihad’ is a conspiracy to develop hate between Muslims and Hidnu.

    The police department in their final report has claimed that ‘Love Jihad’ that caused turmoil all over the state is baseless and none of the eloping pairs resorted to ‘Love Jihad’.

    The High Court had earlier directed police department to probe in the matter of missing people who might have involved in ‘Love Jihad’.

    The department had issued notice to Promod Muthalik to produce appropriate evidences and relevant information to which Muthalik did niether responded nor could he furnish any concrete evidence.

    Though the department stated that cases of youngsters eloping are on the rise off late, they are in no way connected to ‘Love Jihad’. The Police Department opined that youngsters may have eloped fearing their families and foes.

    By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 2:09:15 AM



  • #‎मुंह‬ बोली बहन दीपा को किडनी देगा इरशाद...Ise kis Jihad ka naam doge ? By JABIR - 9/8/2014 1:56:19 AM



  • Dear Lalit, you should know new age's mission in the name of New Age Islam where only Muslims are targeted and others' extremism is Halal. Hundreds of articles are written against Islam and Muslims. This site must reform its agenda and see terrorism as terrorism, extremism as extremism. It should not use Islam with such a title. 
    But problem is that it uses time and again, so you can understand the agenda of New Age Islam. 
    By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 1:28:54 AM



  • Why you New Age Islam readers are silent and hiding this brutal news in which Christian, Sikhs, and Muslims are being killed by Hindu extremists and asked by force to convert to Hinduism?

    “INDIA IS ONLY FOR HINDUS EXTREMISTS THEY ARE KILLING CHRISTIANS MUSLIMS AND SIKHS Hindu Terrorists

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V88f7PH1f2w

    Is only Wahhabism is your target?

    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 1:21:59 AM



  • “Become Hindus otherwise you will be burnt alive”. ANIMOSITY AGAINST CHRISTIANS has increased in India. Visit this video and try to end this type of bad habbit from India.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i_E8WpXkXA

    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 1:16:13 AM



  • Conversion!

    Who is defaming  our India? visit it.

    Pastor beaten and Christians killed by hindus in india

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m553MdLipJ8

    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 1:11:08 AM



  • Hindu brahmin man was converted to Christianity, but see a man says in the video  Stop Christian Conversion in India - Superb Argument exposing Christianity by Sam Harris

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRSRo7k9ZcU

    By Anees - 9/8/2014 1:04:40 AM



  • Dear Raihan, 
    One of the Jihadi narratives is that they call Muslims "grave worshippers" and kill them, destruct the shrines. And your views............support them. 
    By Tasleem Arif - 9/8/2014 12:51:18 AM



  • Dear Anees Bhai, what do you say about it?

    Hindu brahmin man converted to Christianity

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3-VCgXCZWuE

    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 12:44:15 AM



  • Lalit bhai, these jews are playing the worst role.  By Anees - 9/8/2014 12:36:37 AM



  • How The Jews Mock Jesus Christ

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yle_qeeOIMA

    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 12:20:45 AM



  • Lalit bhai, very interesting fact you are showing. Let me read it carefully.  By Anees - 9/8/2014 12:16:23 AM



  • Beware of the conspiracies!
    I really don’t understand thegains of Muslim to blow up himself in a crowded market place killing innocents’ people, who have no direct hands in the policies and programmes of their puppets leaders or what do you make of the current Boko Haram upheaval in northern part of the country. Its annoyed the imagination of the good spirited Muslims all over the world to watch how Islam is been ridiculed and analyzed as a religion that promote violent and intolerant to other diverse religious nationalities.
    This is nothing but, a conspiracy and unfortunately  majority of retrogressive, conservative, idle and uninformed Muslims are falling into the traps of the global empire buildersand their selfish interests of suffocating and contained the beauty and solution that Islam has for the belligerent global citizens who are yearning and aspiring for quick solutions to their impoverished condition and confusion they found themselves.    
     
    However, on a broader reflections, research and consultation with my school of conspirators across the globe, we came to the conclusion that, this is a new global conspiracy against the Islamic faith. We came to the conclusion that, thisis a new conspiracy by the Zionist state of Israel and agents to discredit the Islamic faith and disrupt the peace and stability of the Islamic states, in other to give her more time to prepare for the final unslot against any countries that will question her territorial hegemony, as we are witnessing in countries like Syria, Yemen and now the gathering war mongering against the Islamic Republic of Iran.
     
    This new conspiracy is been facilitated by the rise of uneducated (in the Islamic sense) groups of people, who could not understand, appreciate and realize the traps been set for them by the same people they claimed to be fighting; some of whom are paid Zionist agents who are posing as leaders of radical Islamic groups to challenge the injustices of the global system. These groups of people are using the general hopelessness, frustrations, poverty and injustice to conscientise, galvanize and mobilize the people towards carryout terrorist activities against their own people in the name of martyrdom.
     
    Ironically for the retrogressive, conservative and extremists’ classes of Muslims, whose action and inaction are only playing the scripts of the international Zionists to discredits the Islamic creeds that recently seem to be gaining acceptance among various classes of people around the world including the heart of International Zionism United State of America and Europe. Today Islam is the fastest growing religion in the world; because of the way God Almighty have perfected His religion through his Prophets and members of His Households. Idare say Islam is the only religion that has answers to the various political, economic and social crises that are endemic in most Western countries and around the world. Islam abhours all forms of bloodshed and killing of the innocents civilians who have nothing to do with the policies and activities of their home government.
     
    The Al-Qaida network (a US creation, meaning “BASE”) is not an Islamic movement with Islamic ideology rather is a network of people that felt aggrieved with the hopelessness and injustice of the global arrangement championed by the United State of America. It is well known fact that the word Al-Qieda is a file name which was open for the Mujaheedus fighters during the Afghan-Soviet Union war in 1980s and early 1990s? The Name was used as covert name to assist the fighters during war that led to the collapsed of the Soviet Union in 1990.
     
    Since then the name has gained prominent especially after the September 11, 2001 attacked of the World Trade Center. I don’t believe and swallowed the fact, the various suicide attacks in cities in various countries including
    Nigeria are the products of the activities of good and spirited Muslims; but rather the International gatekeepers, and agents who brainwashed ignorant and idle Muslims who lack the intellectual and strategic acumen to confront the new global unclog against their religion. Their activities are not only injurious to the religion of Islam, but, have created discomfort against we Muslims all over the globe.
     
    Interestingly, the agonies of the recent Boko Haram insurgence, occasioned by bombing, killing, destructions of properties and suicide mission have brought us closer to the happening around the Muslims world that we often watch or listen on radio and televisions satellite.  The experience so far, is not only unpalatable, but, the dynamics of the whole issues portent a grand conspiracy against Muslims and the Nigerian state in this land of lost opportunity. The question begging for answers is who are the Boko Haram guys? Where is there mosque located? What branch of Islamic
    jurisprudence did they eminent from? Who is their leader and is within the
    circle of Islamic clerics? Do they have the capacity to bombard Kano,
    Maiduguri, and other places with such a huge explosive? Who are there sponsors?
     
    By Lalit - 9/8/2014 12:05:28 AM



  • Raihan Bhai every evil doer will be sent to hell indeed, Allah Almighty has said so. I have read in the Quran. But since you say a very bad thing, therefore i need to repeat the very word "nauz billah
    I was reading something about Salafists, you too can read them following. 

    SALAFI'S  SKY IDOL GOD 
    Salafis, Ahle Hadith, Deobandis and their like minded groups created a sky God for themselves, a very large Idol who has hands, fingers, shins, eyes, face, and other organs. They call it Allah and claim that this idol is  physically sitting over the skies on a big chair. When they say Allah is one, they mean that the Big Idol  is  sitting on the skies is one, unique and no other Deity or Idol is like him.  He  is independent, exists on his own and no one gave birth to him.  While doing salah 5 times a day, they prostrate to this Idol God.  They claim that this Idol walks down to the first sky every night and then goes back to his chair. They consider that this Idol has sent all Messengers and all scriptures. (La haula wala quwwata illa billah).
    Hindus worship a similar God whose name is Vishnu or Brahma. Thus, Vishu and Salafi Sky God are essentially the same,  identical in Essence and Attributes; the only difference is Salafi Sky God is single, while Vishnu is married.  
    Salafis have invented a theory of Idol Tawheed or Oneness of their Sky Idol God.  They say (i) Tawheed-ar-Rububiyya, (ii) Tawheed al-Uloohiyya, and (iii) Tawheed-al-Asma-was-Sifaat. 
    In Tawheed-ar-Rububiyya, they claim that their Sky God is "Rabb" or Sustainer of all creatures and human beings in the Universe.
    In Tawheed-al-Uloohiya, they claim that their Sky God is Divine. They prostrate in front of that Deity. They say that they only ask from their Sky God and no one else. They demand all Muslims to ask from their Sky Idol God.  Whoever does not do that, they call him Mushrik. 
    In Tawheed al-Asma-was-Sifaat, they claim that their Sky God is  'compassionate, merciful and all that.

    By Anees - 9/7/2014 11:39:05 PM



  • Mr. Anees Raza Saheb: You have become Mufti-e-Aala enacting Allah (Nauz Billah) and passing the judgement that Allah Kareem will deliver on the day of JUDGEMENT (Qayamat) while saying, " Salafis have indeed reserved their permanent places in Hell fire".  By Raihan Nezami - 9/6/2014 10:55:33 AM



  • Mr. Tasleem: Your anger and fury suggest that you are the supporter of Grave-worshipers. My friend! don't worry about the bodies, think about your soul, where is it kept in the grave-yard? Allah knows about each and every body and soul. Try to think about the living human beings not the dead people.  By Raihan Nezami - 9/6/2014 10:26:41 AM



  • Salafis who destroyed the memorials, their scholars whose writings and preaching instigated this destruction, their successive generations who supported these acts and their various groups like Deobandis, Tabhlighees,  Ikhwanul Muslimeen and others who support this humiliation, have indeed reserved their permanent places in Hell fire.  Can there be a second opinion in this regard?   

    By Anees Raza - 9/6/2014 7:53:21 AM



  • OK, Mr. Raihan Nezami,

    Then what happened to more than sixty thousand pious bodies of Sahabah Radiallah Anhum Ajmaeen

    No one knows what happened to the bodies of more than 60,000 Sahabah (Radiallah Anhum Ajmaeen) whose graves were dug and destroyed by fanatic Wahhabis.

    Did Wahhabis dumped the pious bodies of the family members of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and Sahabah into desolate Rubbal Khali desert as they dump their Child Sex Slaves?  Or these bodies were used as debris below the foundations of commercial buildings and roads constructed over them.  Or these bodies were thrown into rubbish or garbage dumps across Saudi Arabia? Or these bodies were burnt and ashes were thrown into the sea?  What happened to more than 60,000 pious bodies of Sahabah?  No one knows in the world.        

    In one incident, it was reported that Gasoline was poured after digging the grave of Amina Bint Wahb Radiallah Anha), the mother of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and the pious body probably burnt to ashes.  (Reference - 'Grave Destruction and Desecration' by Shaikh Al-Sayyid Yusuf al-Rifai - translated in English by Shaikh G.F. Haddad).

    A sincere Muslim will cry to see this kind of treatment of Prophet Mohammad (        Peace be upon him- his family members and Sahabah in the hands of Salafis.  

    It is a serious issue which should be investigated. The family members of Prophet Mohammad (Peace be upon him) and Sahabah (Radiallah Anhum Ajmaeen) deserve respect and their mass graves should be located for proper respectable re-burial.

    Some Salafis make fun of this issue saying that after over 100 years of destruction of graves and gruesome and hideous disposal of the pious bodies of Sahabah (Radiallah Anhum Ajmaeen ), how can someone find them now.  

    It is a known fact that the bodies of Prophets, Sahabah and Awliya Allah remain fresh and intact in their Graves.

    (1) It is in Hadith - Narrated Jabir (Radiallah Anhu): When the time of the Battle of Uhud approached, my father called me at night and said, "I think that I will be the first amongst the companions of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) to be martyred. I do not leave anyone after me dearer to me than you, except Allah's Apostle's (Peace be upon him) soul and I owe some debt and you should repay it and treat your sisters favorably (nicely and politely)." So in the morning he was the first to be martyred and was buried along with another (martyr). I did not like to leave him with the other (martyr) so I took him out of the Grave after six months of his burial and he was in the same condition as he was on the day of burial, except a slight change near his ear. (Bukhari Book #23, Hadith #434).

    (2) It is in Hadith - Narrated 'Urwa (Radiallah Anhuہ): When the wall fell on them (i.e. on the Graves of Prophet Mohammad -  Peace be upon him, Hadrat Abu Bakr Siddique and Hadrat Umer - Radiallah Anhum Ajmaeen- during the Caliphate of Al-Walid bin 'Abdul Malik, the people started repairing it, and a foot appeared to them. The people got scared and thought that it was the foot of the Prophet (Peace be upon him). No one could be found who could tell them about it till I ('Urwa - Radiallah Anhu) said to them, "By Allah (Almighty) this is not the foot of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) but it is the foot of Umar (Radiallah Anhu)." (Bukhari Book #23, Hadith #474).

    By Tasleem Arif - 9/6/2014 7:07:46 AM



  • Mr. Tasleem: The fake news of the demolition of the green dome of Masjid-e-Nabvi has been denied by the Saudi ministry. There is no such plan in the process of extension.  By Raihan Nezami - 9/6/2014 6:41:33 AM



  • Wow so much development in so much short span of time!
    These prominent Salafi groups are very famous.  By Tasleem Arif - 9/6/2014 6:23:15 AM



  • Very sad news "62-year-old Shiv Sena leader arrested for rape, victim delivers premature baby"

    Thane: A 62-year-old local Shiv Sena leader has been arrested for allegedly raping a minor, who studied in a school run by him, with the crime coming to light after the girl recently delivered a child.

    Vasudeo Nambiar, the district deputy chief of Shiv Sena who also owns a school and a temple in Kashimira township of Thane, was arrested on Friday in this connection, Kashimira police station inspector Anil Kadam said.

    The girl studied in class IX at the school run by the accused, who took her out several times with him on the pretext of visit to the temple and then allegedly raped her repeatedly at a place in Thane district's Mira village in February this year, he said.

    He also threatened the girl with dire consequences if she revealed about the offence to anybody, he said.

    Later, the girl became pregnant and delivered a premature baby earlier this week, the police officer said.

    Following the birth of the child, the hospital authorities reported the matter to police who booked Nambiar on Thursday and arrested him yesterday, he said.

    The accused has been charged under sections 376 (rape) and 506 (criminal intimidation) of the IPC and section 4 of the Protection of Children from Sexual Offences (POCSO) Act.

    He was produced before a local magistrate on Friday who remanded him in police custody till September 11, Kadam said. (Deccan Chronicle)

    By Ravi Kumar - 9/6/2014 3:54:45 AM



  • MUSLIMS MUST SAVE THEMSELVES FROM THE FOLLOWING  PROMINENT SALAFI GROUPS OF THE WORLD
      
     
    EARLIER GROUPS
     (1)   Makhamahs,
     (2)   Najdaatis,
     (3)   Thu'aalabahs,
     (4)   Ajaaridahs,  
     (5)   Zariqahs,  
     (6)   Abaadhiyyas 
     (7)   Safriyyas 
     (8)   Ash-Sharaahs 
     (9)   Khamariyyas,
    (10)  Huooriyyas 
    (11)  Shyaybiyyas   
    (12)  Ibaathiyyas,
    (13)  Shamraakhiyyas,
    (14)  Salaydiyyahs,
    (15)  Sirriyyahs, 
    (16)  Azriyyahs, 
    (17)  Ajradiyyahs, 
    (18)  Shakkiyyas,  
    (19)  Fadhaliyyahs,  
    (20)  Bayhasiyyahs,   
    (21)  Atwiyyahs, 
    (22)  Fadeekiyyahs,  
    (23)  Jadiyyahs,
     
    CURRENT GROUPS
     
    (24)   Ibadi Salafis, 
    (25)   Nafusa Salafis,
    (26)   Hinawis Salafis,
    (27)   Ghaffiri Salafis,
    (28)   Mzabi  Salafis,
    (29)   Jerba  Salafis,
    (30)   Modernist or Neo Salafis 
    (31)   Madkhali, or Super Salafis,
    (32)   Conventional or Najdi or Wahhabi  Salafis,
    (33)   Jihadi Salafis,
    (34)   Qutubi Salafis,
    (35)   Laskar Jihad Salafis (followers of Ja'far Talib),
    (36)   Al-Bani  Salafis,
    (37)   Academic Salafis,
    (38)   GSPC Algerian Salafis, 
    (39)   Murji Salafis,
    (40)   Talafi Salafis,
    (41)   Ma'ribi Salafis,
    (42)   Hizbi Salafis,
    (43)   Khariji Salafis,
    (44)   Takfiri Salafis,
    (45)   Nasibi Salafis,
    (46)   Ghloovi  Salafis,
    (47)   Qawmi Salafis,
    (48)   Taqleedi Salafis,
    (49)   Asabi Salafis,
    (50)   Nation of Islam Salafis,  
    (51)   Ahle Hadith Salafis,
    (52)   Deo Bandi Salafis,
    (53)   Nadwatul Ulema Salafis,
    (54)   Ilyasi Salafis or Tabhlighee Salafis,
    (55)   Jamiat Ulema-e-Islam Salafis,
    (56)   Jamiat-e-Ulema Hind Salafis,
    (57)   Millat-e-Islamia Salafis,
    (58)   Israri Salafis or Tanzeem-e-Islami Salafis,
    (59)   Islahi Salafis, (Amin Islahi 1904-97 followers)
    (60)   Ikhwan-ul-Muslimeen Salafis,
    (61)   Jamaah Islamiya Salafis,
    (62)   Darul Islam Salafis
    (63)   Jam'iya al-Salafiya al-Mujahida Salafis
    (64)   Islamic Salvation Front Salafis
    (65)   Maududi Salafis or Jamat-e-Islami Salafis,
    (66)   Ansar As-Sunnah Salafis,
    (67)   Tehrik-e-Taaliban Salafis,
    (68)   Zaakiri Salafis (followers of Zakir Naik),
    (69)   Jama't-ud-Dawa Salafis,
    (70)   Lashkar-e-Taiba Salafis,
    (71)   Nabhani Salafis or Hizb ut-Tahreer Salafis,
    (72)   Jamiyya Salafis,
    (73)   Invitation to Paradise Salafis
    (74)   Hussami Salafis (Followers of Aqil Hussami),
    (75)   Ta'meer-e-Millat Salafis, 
    (76)   Tafweedi Salafis, 
    (77)   Sahwi Salafis, etc.
    (78)   Islamist Salafis,
    (79)   Tauseefi Salafis (Tauseefur Rahman followers) 
    (80)   Pathless Salafis (Non Arabs Saudi Arabia)
    (81)   Athari Salafis,   
    (82)   Jamat-ul-Muslimeen Salafis,   
    (83)   Guraba-e-Ahle-Hadith Salafis, 
    (84)   Thanaiyah Salafis,  
    (85)   Al-Maqdisi Salafis, 
    (86)   At-Tawheed wal Jihad Salafis, 
    (87)   Al-Wala' wal Bara Salafis, 
    (88)   Mean Green Salafis,    
    (89)   Almost Salafis, 
    (90)   Yemeni Salafis, 
    (91)   Kung Fu Salafis, 
    (92)   Bidda Salafis,  
    (93)   Red Beard Salafis, 
    (94)   Blood Salafis, 
    (95)   Maxican Salafis,   
    (96)   Jordanian Salafis,   
    (97)   Canadian True blue Salafis,   
    (98)   Sipah-e-Sahabah Salafis, 
    (99)   Lashkar-e-Jhangvi Salafis,  
    (100) Harakat-e-Inqilab-e-Islami Salafis,
    (101) Harakat-ul-Ansar Salafis, 
    (102) Hizb-ul-Mujahideen Salafis,
    (103) Counterfeit Salafis,
    (104) Al-Shabab Salafis,
    (105) Jund Ansar Allah Salafis,  
    (106) Jaysh Al-Islam Salafis,  
    (107) Jaysh Al-Umma Salafis,  
    (108) Nour Salafis,   
    (109) Freedom and Justice Salafis,   
    (110) Deobandi Army of Islam Salafis,  
    (111) International Islamic Front Salafis,    
    (112) Freedom and Justice Salafis, 
    (113) Student Islamic Movement of India (SIMI)  Salafis, 
    (114) Jamiat-ul-Hekma Salafis,
    (115) Al-Ehsan Salafis,
    (116) Al-Sururi Salafis, (followers of Al-Sururi)
    (117) Islamic Heritage Restoration Salafis,
    (118) Islah Salafis,
    (119) Al-Ahdi Salafis (followers of  Faysl Al-Ahdi) 
    (120) Muqbil Salafis, (followers of Muqbil Al-Wadi) 
    (121) Independent Yemeni Salafis, 
    (122) Kuwaiti Islamists Salafis,
    (123) Purists Indonesian Salafis,
    (124) Partai Keadilan Sejahtera (PKS), Salafis,
    (125) Darul Islam Salafis,  
    (126) Jemaah Islamia  Salafis,
    (127) Strict Indonesian Salafis,
    (128) Wahda Islamiyya Salafis,
    (129) Mohammadiyah Salafis,
    (130) Persatuan Islam (Persis) Salafis,
    (131) Al-Irsyad Salafis,
    (132) Dewan Dakwah Islam Indonesia (DDII) Salafis,
    (133) Mutamar al-Alam al-Islami Salafis,
    (134) Rabithah al-Alam al-Islami Salafis,
    (135) LIPIA Salafis,
    (136) Pesantren Salafis,
    (137) Nida Salafis (followers of Abu Nida)
    (138) FKASWJ (Forum Komunikasi ASWJ) Salafis
    (139) Al-Sofwa Salafis,
    (140) At-Turots Salafis,
    (141) IREF Indian Salafis,
    (142) Kumpula Muhahidin Malaysia (KMM) Salafis,
    (143) Parti Se-Islam Malaysia (PAS) Salafis,
    (144) Brotherhood of Inner Power (Al-Maunah) Salafis,
    (145) Darul Islam Nusantara Salafis, 
    (146) ABIM Malaysian Salafis,
    (147) Al-Arqam Salafis,
    (148) Reformasi Salafis,
    (149) Islamic Algerian Salafis,
    (150) Sayyafi Salafis (followers of Abu Sayyaf),
    (151) Moro Islamic Liberation Front Salafis,
    (152) Australian Salafis,
    (153) Al-Muhajiroun Salafis,
    (154) UK Saved Sect Salalfis
    (155) UK Al-Ghuraba Salafis,
    (156) Takfiri Algerian Salafis,
    (157) Jam'iyyah Ihyaa Turaath Al-Islami Salafis,
    (158) Jam'iyyah Ihyaa Minhaj as-Sunnah Salafis,
    (159) Salafi Publications (OASIS) Salafis,
    (160) Tajik Salafis,
    (161) Al-Ansar Tabhlighee Salafis,
    (162)  Jamiatul Ansar Salafis, 
    (163)  Harakatul Mujahideen Salafis, 
    (164)  Harakatul Jihad al-Islami (Huji) Salafis, etc.
    By Anees Raza - 9/6/2014 3:40:16 AM



  • Dear Tasleem Saheb,

    The entire life, famous Wahhabi Scholars like Al-Bani, Uthaymin, Ibn Baz and others tried their best to destroy Allah's Apostle's (peace be upon him) Green Dome  and sacred grave. But why it is that Al-Bani wrote a 'will' to preserve his own grave.  La haula wala quwwata illa billah

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 9/6/2014 3:33:18 AM



  • SAUDIS PLANNING TO DESTROY  THE GREEN DOME OF PROPHET MOHAMMAD (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم).

    Salafis are planning to destroy the Green dome and the Grave of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) along with the Graves of Abu Bakr  (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) and Omer. (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ).  Deobandies, Tabhlighees and like minded  groups wholeheartedly support them in this conspiracy.

    Allama Ahmad bin Ali Basri states in the book ‘Faslul Khitaab fi Rad’di Dalaalati Ibn Abdil Wahab’ as follows : ‘From amongst the things,  he (Abdul Wahab Najdi) mentioned one thing, ‘if I attain the opportunity to do so, then I will break down the Rauza of Holy Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) .’ (Faslul Khitaab fi Rad’di Dalaalati Ibn Abdil Wahab).

    A pamphlet published in 2007 by the Ministry of Islamic Affairs, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, endorsed by Abdulaziz Al Sheikh, the Grand Mufti of Saudi Arabia, and distributed at the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) Mosque,  reads as follows: "The green dome shall be demolished and the three graves flattened in the Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) Mosque".

    Mr. Alawi, Executive Director of the London based Islamic Heritage Research Foundation  said that this shocking sentiment was  also echoed in several speeches by Ibn Uthaymeen, one of Saudi Arabia's most prominent Wahhabi clerics, who delivered sermons in Mecca's Grand Mosque for over 35 years: "We hope one day we will be able to destroy the green dome of the Prophet Mohammed (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم)" he said, in a recording provided by Alawi.

    The other sects, like Ikhwan, Deobandis, Jama'at-e-Islami, Tabhlighee Jama'at, etc., also say that green dome of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) should be destroyed.

    There is a strong possibility that people of the world may hear a new fatwa from Saudi Arabia one day saying that Salafis are planning to destroy Khana-e-Kaaba claiming that "the Tawaaf  of a building or living human being or a Grave,  all  are acts of Shirk". 

    It is very easy for Salafis to misinterpret Quranic verses and Ahadith as they have achieved expertise in this area.

    The same Wahhabis acted differently when the Sufi cemetery was razed by Syrian Wahhabis to make way for the campus of the University of Damascus in that city.   King Abd al-Aziz Ibn Sa'ud of Saudi Arabia intervened personally, on the advise of Salafi Clergy,  to preserve intact the graves and tombs of Ibn Taymiyya and his student Ibn Kathir.

    Ibn Taymiyya's Grave, near Baramkeh, Syria inside Damascus University campus and behind a maternity hospital.

    This proves that Wahhabis are the worst enemies of Prophet Mohammad (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and Islam.  In the guise of purifying Islam, they have actually attempted to disintegrate and destroy Islam and Muslims from the face of Earth.   We pray Allah (سبحانہ و تعا لی) to save our Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and Islam from the oppression of  these people. Read following important Articles about Salafis.

    By Tasleem Arif - 9/6/2014 3:25:58 AM



  • I also want to share something special. 

    HOW TO ACHIEVE UNITY AMONG MUSLIMS

    (1) Some people say that whoever proclaims Shahadah is a  Muslim, therefore, we should not differentiate between Muslim sects. There should be unity among all sects and our primary focus should be  their welfare in the world.   

    (2) Some liberalized people like Muslim politicians, celebrities and affluent businessmen say that Muslims should keep religion separated from their daily lives.  They claim that religious Mullahs are the root cause of all troubles because they sow the seed of discord in Muslim community. Therefore, they say that Muslims should look towards them for leadership in the world and follow their guidance.  

    (3) Some people say that religion should be a bonding factor, rather than a divisive element in Society.  If we focus our attention on sectarian differences, it results in alienation of Muslim Groups and results in weakness in Muslim society.  Others take advantage of the situation. Current events in Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan Palestine and elsewhere are the result of differences in Muslim community in the world.

    (4) Some people say that there are hundreds of Salafi  groups in the world and their number is increasing by the day.  These groups are involved in Dawa' around the Globe with missionary zeal which is essentially propagation of their self fabricated notions  in the name of Islam.  How can we achieve peace and unity in Muslim community when all these groups are working tirelessly to promote their conflicting beliefs and interests in the name of Islam. The Islamic society is continuously shred into bits and pieces by these groups.  They talk of Islam and Unity among Muslims, but in the guise of uniting Muslims, they promote their political ideologies which are in sharp contrast with each other.

    (5) Some people say that we should try to win hearts by embracing people from every segment of society. Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) has shown us the example by allowing all kinds of people to attend his gatherings and sermons and over a period of time they embraced Islam.

    (6) Some people say that the Islamic history is a testimony that whichever sect was in power, they tried to impose their sectarian notions on the entire Ummah.  Shias did the same thing; Fatimids did the same thing; Muatazillites did the same thing and  Salafis  are doing the same thing for the past 100 years.   When Salafis came to power, they destroyed the pious graves of Sahabah,  built public toilet on the house of Prophet Mohammad  ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ) and erased all traces of Islam from Arabian Peninsula in the name of purification of Islam. They created an Idol Sky God for themselves and are involved in its worships leaving the real teachings of Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ). They removed thousands Ahadith from authentic books of Ahadith and changed the meanings of Quran by publishing  Noble Quran.  In short, they have successfully hijacked Islam away from the straight path shown by Prophet Mohammad ( صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم ).  If we do not  tell people what is Sahih Iman and Sahih Islam even at this late stage,  real Islam will be lost for ever and future generations of Muslims will become like Jews and Christians who have changed their religions completely.

    There are many opinions aired by different people.  Whatever be the case, it is important that everyone of us should seriously work for the unity among Muslim ranks.  Not only that,  we should also give the message of peace to other nations of the world and become a practical example of peaceful and progressive co-existence in the world.  There cannot be two opinions in this context.  Living peacefully in a multi-religious, multi-sect, multi-ethnic society has its own advantages and challenges.  We should try to meet these challenges together and make this world a safe place to live.

    At the same time, it is also important for us to know the truthful teachings of Islam so that we do not float with groups who are promoting their political interests in the name of Islam. There is a long "life after death" and our salvation in it depends on our Correct Islamic Faith.

     How can we balance our lives?  How can we live peacefully with different Muslim sects, at the same time  find the straight path of Islam so that we achieve salvation in Hereafter?

    By Anees Raza - 9/6/2014 3:15:40 AM



  • Thanks a lot Ghulam Ghaus Bhai for your convincing answer.Sorry for I got late to see the answer.  By Anees Raza - 9/6/2014 3:07:10 AM



  • "We have made great achievements in science "
    What achievements have you all made in the field of science? 
    I seen no achievement from any muslim. 
    By Ravi Kumar - 9/5/2014 2:30:49 AM



  • Mr. Dr.A.Anburaj,

    Islam has never exhorted to kill those who do not accept Muhammad peace be upon him as the prophet of Allah Almighty. It teaches peace, tolerance, patience and peaceful coexistence with all human beings including Muslims and non-Muslims.

    ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and their like-minded terrorist organizations have become detrimental to global peace-environment. So, you should make them all responsible for their terrorist activities.

    I request you not to blame Islam for their violent actions.    

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 9/5/2014 2:27:39 AM



  • Dear Anees Saheb, A text may be qat’i al-thubut (قطعي الثبوت), that is, “definitive with respect to its transmission”, and qat’i al-dalalah (قطعي الدلالة), that is, “definitive with respect to its meaning”.

    Similarly, a text may be zanni al-thubut (ظني الثبوت), that is, “probable with respect to its transmission or authenticity” and zanni al-dalalah (ظني الدلالة), that is, “probable with respect to its meaning”.

    Sadqt-ul-fitr has been made wajib (imperative) through the following Hadith which is a khabr wahid and which gives probable evidence.

    روي عن ابن عمر رضي الله عنه "إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم فرض زكاة الفطر من رمضان على الناس صاعا من تمر او صاعا من شعير على كل حر او عبد او انثى من المسلمين" (مسلم، الصحيح 2:678 رقم 984)

    English translation

    Ibn Umar said that Allah's Messenger (way peace be upon him) prescribed the payment of Zakat-ul-Fitr (on breaking the fast) of Ramadan for people, for every freeman, or slave, male and female among the Muslims-one sa' of dried dates, or one sa' of barley.

    In the Arabic text, though the word “فرض, FARD” has been used in the Hadith, sadqat-ul-fitr is wajib on us. This is because this Hadith is a khabr wahid which gives probable evidence and not definitive evidence.

    According to the Hanafi school of thought, the imperative (Wajib) has been made binding for the subject by the lawgiver and is established through a probable (zanni) evidence, whose strength is not that of definitive evidence.

    The obligatory (fard) on the other hand has been made binding for the subject and is established through a definitive (qat’i) evidence. The evidence may be a verse of the Quran or a mutawatir hadees. Examples of the fard are: the five daily prayers, zakat, hajj, recitation of the Quran in prayer and so on.   

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 9/5/2014 2:15:54 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, why Sadqa Fitr is wajib? Why is it not farz, while the word “farz” is mentioned in the hadees?  By Anees Raza - 9/5/2014 1:20:06 AM



  • There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Krishna instructs Arjun to fight the enemies even though they were his relatives. Fight for Dharma is thus promoted and such fight is what is termed in the Qur'an as Jihad, but today it is totally misunderstood or misinterpreted.
    Islam exhorts to kill those who do not accept Mohammed  as a Prophet of Allah  and Arab culture their way of life.
    By Dr.A.Anburaj - 9/4/2014 5:28:14 AM



  • Sultan Shahin Saheb, the editor of New Age islam,
    I too, know ENGLISH , you have deleted my words but i am not unhappy. Though i like some of your ideas, here it is my tolerance and not yours.
    By Saleem Noori - 8/29/2014 7:03:31 AM



  • Thanks Mr. Salim Javed for your presence,

     

    The word 'impossible' itself says I   m  Possible. So, nothing is impossible. You may not achieve this goal on a larger scale, but you can do change one, two, or ten minds influenced by today's neo-Kharijites like Taliban, ISIL and their like-minded groups who belong to Wahhabi/Salafi/Ahle Hadees school of thought allowing to kill non-Wahhabi Muslims.

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 8/29/2014 5:52:06 AM



  • Miss/Mrs. Amina Ansari,

    Where there's a will there's a way! We should not think it impossible; rather let us start stopping wrong ideologies of Wahhabism right from today, regardless of results. When we work whole heartedly we find good results. 

    By Salim Javed - 8/29/2014 5:41:39 AM



  • Javed Bhai, 
    Extensive propagation of Salafism/Wahhabism is being carried out by IRF by their Satellite Peace TV Channels;  Cable TV networks  and public lectures. In addition, they have  trained thousands of Preachers to spread Salafism/Wahhabism in the name of Islam in different parts of the world. 
    After all, can you find any ray of hope to stop Wahhabism?        

    By Amina Ansari - 8/29/2014 2:09:40 AM



  • Miss/Mrs. Amina Ansari  , 

    This is the nature of Wahhabism. Constructing public toilet over Prophet (SAWS)'s house, where, the Prophet (SAWS) lived and prayed for 28 years and which remained for 1300 years, is the duty of Wahhabism. This Wahhabism is being established around the world by the Saudi government that should be largely opposed by the mainstream educated Muslims. Otherwise, the more innocent Muslims would fall prey to this un-Islamic movement.

    It is also important for people to learn how to respect Prophet Mohammad Sallallhu alaihe wasallam, Sahabah, Imams of various Islamic fields and Awliya Allah and well known Sufi Shaikhs and try to emulate their character individually and collectively.  People should know that even a word of disrespect about Prophet Sallallhu alaihe wasallam and other dignitaries will bring wrath of Allah Almighty.

    Let all of us know that respect and love of Prophet Mohammad Sallallhu alaihe wasallam and Awliya Allah is the key to remain on the straight path of Islam.

    By Salim Javed - 8/29/2014 1:59:02 AM



  • Have you Muslims ever thought of the following fact?
    Saudi Currency notes have pictures of Khana-e-Ka'aba, Prophet's (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) Rawdha and Dome of Rock in Jerusalem.  Look how a Saudi Prince is throwing these notes on a prostitute in a night club and how  they are trampling these notes below their shoes. This is the respect of holy places in the eyes of the Saudi Royal family (Astaghfirullah). By Amina Ansari - 8/29/2014 1:34:13 AM



  • editor saheb aapne mere words ko delete karke achcha nahi kiya. maine kya bura kaha tha?  aur kaha bhi kise tha saheb, haan aap log bare log ho bari soch rakhte ho ...........hum to is qabil hi nahi ke un words ko waaps la den. By Saleem Noori - 8/28/2014 12:12:56 AM



  • Jo ladwae Hindu aur Muslim me ....wo ( Abusive Words deleted - Editor) By Saleem Noori - 8/19/2014 9:07:32 AM



  • mr ahmad,

    See the number of gods by a well known leader and master of hinudism   Jaya ram says:

    “The vedic hymns allude to several gods. Based upon the number of invocations addressed to each, we may identify the principal ones. However their actual number may far exceed our current estimates”.

    http://www.hinduwebsite.com/hinduism/vedicgods.asp


    By Justice - 8/19/2014 4:29:46 AM



  • ahmad see, 
    Hinduism is generally associated with a multiplicity of Gods, and it does not advocate the worship of one particular deity. The Gods and Goddesses of Hinduism amount to thousands, all representing the many aspects of only one supreme Absolute called “Brahman”. However, people who don’t know this, misinterprets the fact that Hinduism has a multitude of Gods! What one should understand is that although there are many manifestations of Brahman in the forms of deities each deity is really an aspect of the Brahman or, ultimately Brahman itself.

    Ignorance Is Bliss! 
    The other day, I received an email with the shocking subject – “Attack on Hinduism” – from one of our users Jim Wilson, who was appalled by what the children’s section of an “Objective” Christian site that his daughter was viewing, had to say. Jim forwarded me the link to the web page with a line saying that this was a blatant attempt to pass on personal bias and prejudicial attitude to younger generations.

    Jesus Loves You, Ganesha Doesn't! 
    You'll be shocked at what this fundamentalist Christian site tells its kid users. About halfway down the page a box item entitled "Habu's Corner" depicts a Ganesha-like figure answering the question: "How many gods do you have?"

    Habu's reply: "I don't know... I have lost count!"

    This is followed by the comment: "Wouldn't you rather have just one God who loves you a bunch than a bunch of gods that don't love you at all?" ...then comes the more explicit advisory: "Jesus loves everybody, even the unsaved like Habu! Remember to pray for Habu and others like him that they may find Jesus and accept Him into their hearts!

    What do you have to say of such acts by Christian fundamentalist propagandists? Catch them young…!

    Here’re Jim’s comments: “I respect their right to believe whatever they wish to believe, but I am opposed to the aggressive manner in which they attempt to indoctrinate others and the manner in which they attempt to control the thinking of their children.”

    Back to basic… let’s delve deeper into the issue of multiplicity of Gods in Hinduism.

    What is Brahman? 
    In Hinduism, the impersonal Absolute is called “Brahman”. According to this pantheistic belief, everything in existence, living or non-living comes from it. Therefore, Hindus regard all things as sacred. We cannot equate Brahman with God, because God is male and is describable, and this takes away from the concept of the Absolute. Brahman is formless or “nirakara”, and beyond anything that we can conceive of. However, it can manifest itself in myriad forms, including Gods and Goddesses, the “sakara” form of the Brahman.

    According to Prof. Jeaneane Fowler of the University of Wales College, Newport: “The relationship between the many manifest deities and the unmanifest Brahman is rather like that between the sun and its rays. We cannot experience the sun itself but we can experience its rays and the qualities, which those rays have. And, although the sun’s rays are many, ultimately, there is only one source, one sun. So the Gods and Goddesses of Hinduism amount to thousands, all representing the many aspects of Brahman” (Hinduism: Beliefs, Practices and Scriptures)

    Any way, who’s your favorite Hindu deity? Take the poll and have your say!

    By Justice - 8/19/2014 4:21:51 AM



  • I can show in half an hour the most terrorist events of the world to prove that talking about interfaith harmony is just wastage of time and nothing else. During riots i have seen A hindu writer talking about interfaith harmony comes to kill a muslim writer talking about interfaith harmony, both will surely forget their interfaith harmony and fight together.  
    The holocaust ........a christian Hitler killed Jews.........
    Buddhihsts killed Muslims in Burma
    Muslims killed Muslims in arab world
    these are good examples................
    so do not write such an article to call for interfaith harmony 
     
    By Justice - 8/19/2014 4:11:43 AM



  • During riots every interfaith harmony remains ink on paper. Gujrat, Muzaffarpur, Assam, Hashimpura massacre (1987), Bombay riots, 1993 Bombay bombings, and 2002 Gujarat violence, Burma are examples.

    According to Wikipedia:

    The history of modern India has many incidents of communal violence. Tensions between Hindu and Muslim started coming to light a few years before the independence of the Indian-sub continent. This thought contrasts with the more widely held Two Nation Theory as the main reason. These riots were supposedly provoked by colonizers and politicians for personal gains and vested interests. India have risen and has led to several major incidences of religious violence such as Hashimpura massacre (1987), Bombay riots, 1993 Bombay bombings, and 2002 Gujarat violence.

    Anti-Christian violence

    In recent years, there has been a sharp increase in violent attacks on Christians in India, often perpetrated by Hindu Nationalists. Between 1964 and 1996, thirty-eight incidents of violence against Christians were reported. In 1997, twenty-four such incidents were reported. In 1998, it went up to ninety. Between January 1998 and February 1999 alone, one hundred and sixteen attacks against Christians in India were reported by church. Between 1 January and 30 July 2000, more than fifty-seven attacks on Christians were reported. These acts of violence include forcible reconversion of converted Christians to Hinduism, distribution of threatening literature and destruction of Christian cemeteries.

    Anti-Hindu violence

    There have been a number of more recent attacks on Hindu temples and Hindus by militants. Prominent among them are the 1998 Chamba massacre, the 2002 fidayeen attacks on Raghunath temple, the 2002 Akshardham Temple attack allegedly perpetrated by terrorist outfit Lashkar-e-Taiba and the 2006 Varanasi bombings (supposedly perpetrated by Lashkar-e-Toiba), resulting in many deaths and injuries. Recent attacks on Hindus by Muslim mobs include Marad massacre, Godhra train burning etc. (though most of these attacks are still doubtful)

     

     

    By Peace - 8/19/2014 3:58:36 AM



  • mr rational muhammad yunus!
    your questions are results of your nafse ammara. you need to get your heart cleaned. 
    i fear you may ask a question that why you are not created without mother and father...............i think mr ghaus shud need not to give u answer....when i open this site i find only one foolish and nonsense man in form of unidentified man who calls himself ratoinal muhammad yunsu ........but i am not sure this is his real name..
    By Ravi Kumar - 8/13/2014 8:13:50 AM



  • PEOPLE LIKE RATIONAL ARE CREATING CLASHES AMONG THE DIFFERENT RELIGIOUS PEOPLE. BEWARE OF THIS MAN! By Ravi Kumar - 8/13/2014 12:17:56 AM



  • Mr. Ravi Kumar,

    Calling for interfaith dialogue is and will be effective among all the claimants of all faiths only when we focus on respecting differences whatever they may be in Islam, Hinduism, Christianity, Judaism, Buddhism, and Sikhism etc. We should not focus on eliminating the fundamental, essential and natural differences among all these religions. The reason is that the results may be more problematic and creating more differences. Eliminating differences among religions will create more new differences among them. As a result, the followers of different religions will not follow this elimination. So, working for impossible thing would definitely be worthless but if we start calling people for respecting religions despite differences, I am sure this will be fruitful and acceptable among all people of different faiths.

    For example, if people try to ban or change Quranic teachings and Hadith teachings or try to make them according to their whims and wishes, this would create more differences. Similarly if people disrespect other religions, it would lead to more differences. Everyone should follow his own religion, having a notion of not fighting over religions teachings or making hue and cry over them to incite more differences.    

    One should respect differences among different faiths. No one should use abusive or offensive words for any religion, as it would create more problems and make all efforts of interfaith dialogue fruitless. Humanity first demands all people of the world not to use offensive or abusive words against all prophets of Islam as I find on internet. During interfaith dialogue we should specially teach the people not to adopt the evil attitude of some haters and inciters of hatred and prejudice who use very abusive words against prophets and great personalities of Islam.   By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 8/9/2014 1:58:40 AM



  • i do not think that differences among religions across the world are possible to be eliminated from the face of the earth, so calling for interfaith dialogue is worthless. By Ravi Kumar - 8/9/2014 1:29:10 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, If you complete your book, Inshallah i will tolerate all funding  to get the book published. 
    I must express the long cherished opinion since i came in contact with you and Mr. Ghulam Rasool i find two heroes of Islam in both of you...It is not exaggeration not the voice of mind but it is the voice of my heart .... By Noorul Hoda - 8/9/2014 1:23:39 AM



  • Dear Mr. JI, in this thread i found your comments as more appreciable. You quoted pearls of wisdom that sound much better. I must repeat one of them to strengthen my petty purpose “Now you will ask: When the difficulties come from ourselves, where do they come from? We do not like struggle in life, we do not like strife, we only want harmony, and we only want peace. It must be understood, however, that before making peace, war is necessary, and that war must be made with our self. Our worst enemy is our self: our faults, our weaknesses, our limitations. And our mind is such a traitor! What does it? It covers our faults even from our own eyes, and points out to us the reason for all our difficulties: others! So, it constantly deludes us keeping us unaware of the real enemy, and pushes us towards those others to fight them, showing them to us as our enemies.”

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 8/9/2014 12:59:01 AM



  • Mr. Noorul Hoda, I thank you for your comment. When debating most of the commentators get my subject matter of the discussion diverted. As a rule when we debate we should debate point by point in a decisive way. For example, during the debate over the authoritativeness of Hadees going on in other thread of New Age Islam, I was discussing over authority of Hadees and others too…in the beginning, but all of a sudden our dear Manzoor Alam changed the theme of the discussion confusing me and readers among the authority, authenticity and legal value of Hadees. He started his talk by challenging me with a hadith which should have been quoted for talking about authenticity and legal value of that hadith and not for authority of the overall Hadith.

    I realized the diverting attitude during the debate and also felt need to work on the station, position of prophethood and authoritativeness of Hadith in Islamic law.    God willing, I will do write a comprehensive book on this topic but in future as right now I am busy in other pieces of work you should know i.e. refutation of those ideologues who have hijacked our Islamic terms and are using for their political ambitions.

    And my email is: ghlmghaus@gmail.com 

    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث - 8/9/2014 12:48:59 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus bhai, You are speaking to us Muslims to be good, "We have made great achievements in science yet paradoxically failed in the protections of weak nations. Arms and ammunition are manufactured that are not only capable of destroying the weak nations but even the entire humanity. Thus we are unable to resolve the war within and outside Islam. As a result, religious intolerance has caused immense injury and merciless killing of human beings. Particularly, Iraq, Afghan, Syria, Palestine and Pakistan etc are such top listed names where evils of terrorism, religious extremism, and genocide of Shiites, Ahmadis, and religious minorities as well as destruction of Islamic cultural heritage are at its peak"

    Recently  i went through a debate in which you justified authoritativeness of Hadith, so i also thank you for this great work, but i felt you briefed it so you should write an independent book on the authoritativeness of the holy hadith......Also please give me your email id... 


    By Noorul Hoda - 8/8/2014 11:53:33 PM



  • I fully endorse the writer's views about shared values among the global religions. 
    This is time we should adapt ourselves to the changing circumstances that is to take out the way leading to peace and harmony throughout the globe. 
    By Farha Rizvi - 7/3/2013 1:54:43 AM



  • Muhabbat kar sakte ho to khuda se karo faraz

    Mitti ke khilone se kabhi wafa nahi milti 

    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/31/2013 3:44:52 AM



  • I like sufis a lot. They are moderates.  By sheetal - 5/31/2013 3:25:21 AM



  • Some pearls of wisdom from the Sufi Hazrat Inayat Khan:
    “No doubt, life is difficult for many of us, but very often we make it even more difficult for ourselves. When we do not understand the real nature and character of life, we make our own difficulties. I can assure you that in every man's life five percent of his difficulties are brought about by the conditions of life, and ninety-five percent are difficulties caused by himself.
    Now you will ask: When the difficulties come from ourselves, where do they come from? We do not like struggle in life, we do not like strife, we only want harmony, we only want peace. It must be understood, however, that before making peace, war is necessary, and that war must be made with our self. Our worst enemy is our self: our faults, our weaknesses, our limitations. And our mind is such a traitor! What does it? It covers our faults even from our own eyes, and points out to us the reason for all our difficulties: others! So, it constantly deludes us keeping us unaware of the real enemy, and pushes us towards those others to fight them, showing them to us as our enemies.”

    By Ji - 5/30/2013 10:19:01 PM



  • Sorry Sheetal Ji, I forgot to mention the url of the website in my previous comment....It is http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/index.htm
    Regards

    By Ji - 5/30/2013 9:13:48 PM



  • Dear Sheetal ji,

    You will, I think, very much appreciate the views of the Sufi Hazrat Inayat Khan, and I am sure you can learn a lot from them. Many of his discourses, collected in the form of several volumes, can be downloaded from     . You can learn a great deal from his understanding of the oneness of religion, transcending name and form, going beyond the Hindu-Muslim jhagda.

    By Ji - 5/30/2013 9:02:12 PM



  • "A close study of the holy Quran and Hadith fulfils that demand."

    How many Muslims out of 1.6 billion do close study of the Quran? Then how many Muslims who do a close study agree with each other? How much influence on Muslim Community they have?

    Saying Quran says this, says that is hypothetical. Lets open our eyes and what is happening around.
    Quran only says you are a slave and slave must obey his master without if and buts.
    By rational Mohammed Yunus - 5/30/2013 7:32:52 PM



  • Really i like it "All the disharmony of the world caused by religious differences is the result of man's failure to understand that religion is One, truth is One, God is One; how can there be two religions?"

    By sheetal - 5/30/2013 8:50:18 AM



  • All the disharmony of the world caused by religious differences is the result of man's failure to understand that religion is One, truth is One, God is One; how can there be two religions?
    Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:
    God is one, the Truth is one. How can there be two religions? There is one religion, the only religion. ... Yes, we are living in different lands, but under one sky. So, we have many churches, but one God; many scriptures, but one wisdom; many souls, but one spirit, the only Spirit of God.
       ~~~ "Religious Gathekas, #47, The Sufi Movement", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished)
    The one Spirit of life is given different names, the sacred names. We more easily recognize the [Spirit of life] by the particular name to which we are accustomed. So far we are right, but the mistake we make, and it is to our loss, is to ignore or deny the same truth because it is given to us in another form and under another name. We limit it. We say the truth existed only in that period when certain teachers came to the world, and that after that it stopped. But the spirit of illumination can never stop as long as life goes on. Illumination has continued from the beginning, and will always continue until the manifestation ends; so long will the spirit of illumination continue to spread out its rays.
    We accept some forms and ignore others. It is the natural tendency of mankind. It is this that accounts for so many religions. Even if a person cannot see things in this light, he can at least be tolerant of other people's religions. He can respect the religion because he sees others respect it, even if he himself has no respect for its teacher. After all, spirituality means respect, advancement. Man shows his evolution according to his respect, his consideration, his thoughtfulness. If we could only develop that faculty in our mind, it would not matter not believing or recognizing the Spirit of Guidance shown in different human forms. If we held our own teacher or master in the greatest esteem it would do a great deal of spiritual good. The disharmony of the world is usually caused by religious differences, as were the wars of ancient times. The differences are caused by men failing to understand that religion is one, truth is one, God is one. How can there be two religions?
    God is one, truth is one, and the religion is one. There cannot be two religions; that is the confusion, the illusion of the human mind. When people cannot understand each other, then they say, 'Your religion is different, my religion is different.' But the difference does not belong to God, it belongs to the earth. ... And in the realization of God, in the love of God, what are we expected to do? We are expected to unite with one another in the thought of God, in the love of God. ... All wisdom is from God; from whatever scripture, whatever religion, whatever form, it all comes from one source.
    "Religious Gathekas, #39, Universal Worship", by Hazrat Inayat Khan (unpublished)
    All the disharmony of the world caused by religious differences is the result of man's failure to understand that religion is One, truth is One, God is One; how can there be two religions?

    By Ji - 5/30/2013 6:48:31 AM



  • you say you are right thy say tey are right. who is right and how to recognize the truth? my mind is corrupted.  By sonu nigam - 5/30/2013 5:12:00 AM



  • why there is so much extremism against wahabism on this site?  By sonu nigam - 5/30/2013 5:07:52 AM



  • I agree with you dear Ghulam ghauss "The diversity of religions across the world demands tolerance and respect to the other from everyone. A close study of the holy Quran and Hadith fulfils that demand." By Salim javed - 5/30/2013 5:05:03 AM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/29/2013 4:28:02 AM
    Whabis must do that if they are enemies of the Islam and Barailvis.
    If their sole purpose is to kill why should they have debates.
    Ask sadaf koi faraq nahi padta. are do chaar barailvi mar bhi gaye to khuda ke khazaane main kaun si kami aa jaayegi :D

    Bhai jo kuchh ho raha hai theek ho raha hai. Ho sakta hai ismen bhi Allah ki koi maslahat ho. Kiya yeh aap nahi sikhaate.
    Allahi ki di hui jaan kisi bahane se to waapas jaani hai naa to phir shikayat kiya.
    ab in baaton se oopar uthh jao.
    Aaj tak Allah ko koi faraq pada ho, Allah miyaan ne aap se shikaayat ki ho. Allah ke khazaane men koi kami nahi hai aur bhejega. Maut aur zindagi aalh ke hi haath men hai naa. jaise uski marzi waise paidaa kare jaise chaahe maare aap kaun hote ho shikwa shikayat kar ne waale.
    Allah ki rezaa men rezaa rakho yeh bhi Sufi Islam ki taaleem ka hissa hai.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/29/2013 10:34:56 PM



  • The Holy Quran has vividly described such extremists and evil-mongers like Talibani wahabis (the legacy of khajrites) in the following verses: “It is those whose entire struggle is wasted in worldly life, but they presume they are doing very good works.” (Al-Quran, 18: 104) Also Allah almighty says “Allah does not forbid you to deal justly and kindly with those who fought not against you on account of religion and drove you not out of your homes, Allah loves those who are just.” (Surah: Mumtahanah verse: 8)

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/29/2013 4:32:25 AM



  • Dear Rational, every issue can be solved by dialogue, discussion and debate. On the contrary wahabis hold no discussion, no debate with Barelvi scholars but are killing innocent lives so as to govern the entire world and spread their wahabism. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/29/2013 4:28:02 AM



  • Dear sheetal We should always remember that Peace among nations cannot exist unless there is peace among religions. Similarly peace among religions can not last long unless there is authentic interfaith dialogue. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/29/2013 4:26:38 AM



  • Leave the matter of religion for a short while. Now you can see every family is flat in the mutual conflict. One quarrels with his own brother over a trifle. A son disrespects his parents, sometimes kills them. When the children grow to be adults, there is no one to guide them. At this age the toughest issue to deal with, is to keep oneself safe from every kind of evil intentions. In short the whole social environment is full of perverse attitudes without religion.

    Now come to the matter of Religion that gives its followers the spiritual power to handle all these satanic affairs. So far as Muslims are concerned, the Quran and the Hadith show them the way to the ideal life.

    Fighting is the natural habit of a man. He sometimes interprets this habit in the religious issues. It is the fault of the man rather than that of the religion By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/29/2013 4:11:04 AM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/28/2013 11:50:35 PM
    They may not be danger now but the seeds are there. These seeds are in the sacred books. How much time they will take to turn into radicals? There are already brailvis who are turning to radicalism.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/29/2013 1:45:30 AM



  • The difference between a barelvi Dr Tahirul Qadri and other barelvi is not danger to humanity but Wahabis and Talibanis are. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/28/2013 11:50:35 PM



  • It may be be misunderstanding. Why your brothers making it an issue and publishing on the site?
    May be they are not promised with something worth if Dr Tahir gets power.
    Ponder over the reasons they have for their grudge. They are boiling because Dr Tahir has soft words for non-Muslims. They are clear on why they are against Dr tahir using same verses from the Quran and Ahadith. Why do you blame Wahabis for the same quotation from the verses.
    This shows how Barailvis think about non-Muslims. Are not they showing the traits of wahabis? Will not this grow into more intolerance towards non-Muslims?



    By rational mohd yunus - 5/28/2013 9:57:06 PM



  • From the deepest heart of my soul, i appreciate Dr Tahirul Qadri for his mission and work against terrorism. His fatwa on suicide attacks is really worthy of praise. He has newly written a book, too, in which he has discussed how to establish love between muslims and non-muslims. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/28/2013 4:14:12 AM



  • Dear Rational
    There are some misunderstandings among few Barelvis who oppose Dr Tahirul Qadri who is one of the great lovers of Ala Hazrat Imam Ahmad Raza (ra). I also want there to be unity and integrity in between them.
    You should also know that many Barelvis love Tahirul Qadri who is the student of Alahazrat' students.
    As for his fatwa on terrorism, all the Barelvis unanimously agree with Dr Tahirul Qadri sahab.
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/28/2013 4:09:52 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss saheb. I found one more article on your valuable site. I condemn killing done by wahabis without any condition.
    I heard about Dr Tahir Qadri on NAI, his mission and famous fatwa.
    Let us see what our Brailvi brothers think about him.
    I have given the link. You may comment.
    http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/a-refutation-of-the-corrupt-beliefs-of-dr-tahir.php

    I think this is why interfaith dialogue is a nautanki (drama) of the Muslims. Most of those who stand against Wahabis are not fit candidates but power seekers only and why interfaith dialogue is not fruitful.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/28/2013 2:05:53 AM



  • so i can love you as a human being. 
    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/27/2013 2:07:02 AM
    of course you can. every living being needs it.

    Apne pyaar ko apne bhai bandon, ham watno, ham madhabon, insaanon tak mahdood na rakhen. Jo aisa karte hain wahi duniya men fasaad barpa karne waale hain
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 3:48:03 AM




  • Photo of Inayat Khan                     

    Every man's path is for himself; let him accomplish his own desires that he may thus be able to rise above them to the eternal goal.

                            Bowl of Saki, May 27, by Hazrat Inayat Khan

    Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:

    The sages have said, 'Rise above the earthly motives. Accomplish all you wish to accomplish in life, whatever be the motive, and then that itself will lead you to a stage from which you can rise above them, and above the earthly desires of the body'. They have never said, 'Stop, and go into the jungle, and see life from our point of view'. Everybody's path is for himself. Let everyone achieve the fulfillment of his own desires so as to be able to rise above them to the eternal goal.

       from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_30.htm


    All our experiences are nothing but preparation for something else. Nothing that belongs to this world, however precious, must hinder one's path of progress. For every step in the direction to that spiritual gain must be the aim of every soul. ... Every belief and every experience for a wise person is a step of a staircase. He has taken this step, there is another step for him to take. The steps of the staircase are not made for one to stand there. They are just made for one to pass, to go further. Because life is progress. Where there is no progress there is no life.

       from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/XIII/XIII_6.htm



       ~~~ Every man's path is for himself; let him accomplish his own desires that he may thus be able to rise above them to the eternal goal.


    The Spiritual Message of Inayat Khan:   books, articles, photos   glossary   search   what's new

    By Ji - 5/27/2013 3:43:48 AM



  • so i can love you as a human being.  By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/27/2013 2:07:02 AM



  • Pyaare Aashiq Mustafa
    Difference of minds. Again it is from Allah. Is it not?

    My dear I want nothing. You can expose Wahabism as you can. Their crimes, their dishonesty, their intolerance, their narrow mindedness, their want of killing whatever you like.
    My dear How can I be on the side of Wahabis. If I go to extreme against religions how can you think I take their side. I will go against you if you do the same. So raise your hands to curse the Wahabis I will say amen.
    I speak for a wahabi for some purpose. I can't tolerate if somebody shoves his beliefs down my throat.
    From my comments you may conclude I am not a believer in the way Muslims are.
    It is up to you to love me or hate. It cant be forced.

    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 1:55:25 AM



  • Ishq aur jang men sab jaayaz hai. Agar aap kahte hain Mohammed saheb khuda hai insan ke  roop men to bhi mujhe aitraaz nahi. I will not kill you.

    No one can be sure Who is who on NAI. Some can change their names and use different ways to incite a person to speak to judge what is going in the mind of rational.
    Chaalis chor ghaib hai. abdullah saheb kabhi kabhi tashreef laate hain. Kain log gaayab ho gaye hain. kai log naye aagaye hain. khair duniya isi ka naam hai.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 1:53:42 AM



  • kabhi kabhi bahut pyar aa jata hai ap par dear Rational ji magar kabi kabhi ap gussa ho jate ho aur khilaf bolte ho to sara pyar ghayab ho jata hai akhir kyon hota hai aisa? By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/27/2013 1:31:57 AM



  • Dear Ashiq Mustafa
    Hurry up ! Why late?
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 1:24:04 AM



  • i send salam from india but when i went to perform Hajj i could not help sending salam in front of my Mustufa pbuh. this was my Ishq that could not me stop doing so. Ishqe Mustufa me marna bhi qabool hai let alone only beating. 

    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/27/2013 1:20:14 AM



  • rational, do you want me to hide all the crimes of wahabis? no brother, you can hide me but i can not do them, there are many things to be announced. my heart is really broken by these wahabis whose signs of beating are still on my back and remind me of their oppression over me. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/27/2013 1:15:48 AM



  • Dear Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/26/2013 11:42:27 PM
    Let me do some kathujjati
    1. It is the mistake of GREAT ALIM MUFTI MOHAMMAD ASLAM saheb knowingly wahabis are dusht went there to send the Salam.

    2. When Hz Mohammed is alive in his Qabr and hears the Salam and reply back(some might have heard) he could send his Salam from his home. The distance between sender and receiver should not create a problem since the receiver is Maashooque of Allah and there is nothing impossible for allah and his prophet.
    3. If he has rights to send the Salaam because you believe Hz Mohammed is alive, Mr Wahabi has the rights to believe Hz Mohammed doesn't hear any salam or accept Salam because he is dead. He has full rights to protect that place from Shirk because he believes so. He can use force if he thinks it is wrong because hadith tells you must use force to stop the evil if you are capable.
    4. He must thank Mr Wahabi because he is earning Thawab by being beaten for his love to prophet. Prophet will intercede for him. What Thawab can be greater than this.
    5. Mr Wahabi has committed a grave sin. Allah will punish him. You should be happy a wahabi will be punished. He has not asked forgiveness.
    6. Whatever happens is Allah's will. So please don't complain. It is against Sufi's beliefs.
    Now this is like the guru Chela in everything costs taka ser.

    So my dear enjoy whatever happen. Almighty Allah makes things to happen with purpose.
    Are not these key beliefs of Muslims? Why to complain?
    You must thank me too.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 1:09:41 AM



  • Dear Rational, my views can not change from the road of peace leading to peace itself. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/27/2013 1:09:17 AM



  • Dear Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/26/2013 11:42:27 PM.
    Indeed, those who disbelieve - it is all the same for them whether you warn them or do not warn them - they will not believe.
    Allah has set a seal upon their hearts and upon their hearing, and over their vision is a veil. And for them is a great punishment.

    By rational mohd yunus - 5/27/2013 12:30:17 AM



  • Barelvis are not killing Wahabis but are being killed by Wahabis!
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/26/2013 11:44:44 PM
    Muslims are killing Muslims. Hope you don't think Wahabis are kafirs.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/26/2013 11:55:27 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/26/2013 11:28:39 PM
    Slowly your views are changing if it is not takiya.

    I don't say they are doing like wahabis. I say there are seeds in dormant state which can germinate later.
    So far Barailvis don't have power like Saudis so it is before time to say what they will behave like. Power corrupts people.
    A lion if not killing doesn't mean is peaceful or has turned vegetarian. 
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/26/2013 11:48:07 PM



  • Barelvis are not killing Wahabis but are being killed by Wahabis! By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/26/2013 11:44:44 PM



  • A sufi GREAT ALIM MUFTI MOHAMMAD ASLAM was beaten by SAUDI WAHABIS  FOR HE WAS SENDING SALAM ON THE PROPHET MUHAMAMD PBUH. I SEND SALAM ON THIS MUFTI (RA) WHO DID NOT SAY EVEN (OH) AND WAS READY TO BE BEATEN BY THEM. 
    Rational ke annkh par parda ahi kya?
    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/26/2013 11:42:27 PM



  • O Saudi Wahabis! You can kill me but i will continue to send Salam on my prophet Muhamamd pbuh. Once i went to perform Hajj i was beaten black and blue by Saudi Wahabis for i stood in front of the holy grave of my prophet Muhamamd pbuh and uttered Salam on him.
    O Wahabis, you can stop me in Sauidi from sending peace (Salam) and give it the name of Bidat but here in MY country India your students can not stop me. My India gives me freedom to send Slaam on my prophet pbuh. 
    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/26/2013 11:38:05 PM



  • From now I will be "Rational Mohd Yunus" as Sultan saheb has suggested because somebody is using "rational" for him. It can cause misunderstanding. Let Mr Sadaf call it Takiya.
    By rational mohd yunus - 5/26/2013 11:33:26 PM



  • Hazrat Inayat offers us a very interesting and beautiful understanding of the Buraq and the Miraj. In his words, 

    "A story survives in Islam about the dream of the Prophet: a dream which was an initiation in the higher spheres. Many take it literally and discuss it, and afterwards go out by the same door through which they came in, but from the point of view of a mystic one can find out the mystery it contains.

    It is said that the Prophet was taken from Jerusalem to the Temple of Peace, which means from the outer Temple of Peace, Dar-i Salam, to the inner Temple of Peace. A Buraq was brought for the Prophet to ride upon. The angel Jabril accompanied the Prophet on the journey, and guided him on the path. The Buraq is said to be an animal of heaven which has wings, the body of a horse, and the face of a human being. It signifies the body connected with the mind. The wings represent the mind, and the body of the Buraq represents the human body. The head represents perfection. It also symbolizes the breath. Breath is the Buraq, which reaches from the outer world to the inner world in a moment's time. Jabril, in this story, represents reason.

    It is said that on his way the Prophet saw Adam, who, looking to one side, smiled, and looking to the other side, shed tears. This shows that the human soul, when it develops in itself real human sentiment, rejoices at the progress of humanity and sorrows over its degeneration. The Buraq could not go beyond a certain point, which means that although the breath takes one a certain distance in the mystical realization, there comes a stage when the breath cannot accompany one. When they were near the Prophet's destination, Jabril also retired, which means that reason cannot go any further than its limit. Then the Prophet arrived at that curtain which stands between the human and the divine, and he called aloud the name of God, saying, 'None exists, save Thee,' and the answer came, 'True, true.' That was the final initiation from which dated the blossoming of Muhammad's prophetic message."
     

    By Ji - 5/26/2013 11:31:34 PM



  • The following link cast more light on how Barilvis think.

    http://www.nooremadinah.net/Documents/VariousIslamicTopics/33%29TableeghiJamaatCenterInISRAEL/TableeghiJamaatCenterInISRAEL.asp

    One can say this site belongs to Pakistan, but what the Barailvis in other countries think. Do they think there should not be jehad(arm struggle) against enemies?
    I go to extent that there is no need of any Dawa work. whether violent or peaceful. All beliefs are irrational whether in one God or many Gods. Let the people believe in whatever they believe. Monotheism by its nature is intolerant. When you call other to your faith, corollary is you think that is inferior and yours is superior.
    So I oppose any Dawa work fundamentally and bear it as constitutional right even if it is done by Wahidudin Khan saheb who I respect for his some ideas.

    By rational - 5/26/2013 11:28:58 PM



  • I second Mr Sultan Shahin's view "Followers of Alahazrat are not engaged in any war. They may be Takfeeris, even prescribe death for apostasy but are not engaged in killing other Muslims, calling them apostates; they are not even engaged in defending themselves when they are suicide-bombed at Sufi shrines". I see Wahabi militants oftentimes aim at destructing the Sufis' shrines. Of course we can not anything but make people aware of their detrimental ideologies. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/26/2013 11:28:39 PM



  • "The Jews say "The Christians have nothing [true] to stand on," and the Christians say, "The Jews have nothing to stand on," although they [both] recite the Scripture. Thus the polytheists speak the same as their words. But Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection concerning that over which they used to differ."(2:113) By rational - 5/26/2013 11:10:27 PM



  • (2:140)"Or do you say that Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Descendants were Jews or Christians? Say, "Are you more knowing or is Allah ?" And who is more unjust than one who conceals a testimony he has from Allah ? And Allah is not unaware of what you do." By rational - 5/26/2013 11:07:06 PM



  • Dear Ramesh
    The Ahle Sunnat Wal Jamaat is the largest group of Muslims and the only group whose beliefs and teachings are truly in accordance with the Holy Quran and Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (sallal laahu alaihi wasallam).
    For me it is a claim only. Nobody knows who is on right path.
    This definition I have taken from this link:
    http://www.nooremadinah.net/Documents/Ahle-SunnahWalJamaat/18%29TheAhleSunnatWalJamaat/TheAhleSunnatWalJamaat.asp
    If interested in more please visit this link.
    By rational - 5/26/2013 11:05:18 PM



  • "And if you brought to those who were given the Scripture every sign, they would not follow your qiblah. Nor will you be a follower of their qiblah. Nor would they be followers of one another's qiblah. So if you were to follow their desires after what has come to you of knowledge, indeed, you would then be among the wrongdoers." (2:145) By rational - 5/26/2013 11:04:16 PM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 9:39:38 PM
    Thanks not for you mentioned me but for acknowledging the root of supremacy of Hz Mohammed.
     
    By rational - 5/26/2013 10:22:52 PM



  • I think Mr. Mohd Yunus (Rational) is right. We cannot brush under the carpet common Muslim beliefs like the Prophet’s physical bodily journey in Mairaj, etc. as they do feed into a general belief in the supremacy of our prophet over other previous prophets – an attitude that contradicts specific Qur’anic guidance – and leads to general supremacist attitudes prevalent among all Muslims. We should not confuse between “should” and “is.” We must accept what is and then say and campaign for what should happen. The age for brushing things under the carpet is long gone.

     

    I also agree that people like us moderates who truly believe in the Qur’anic guidance of equality of all prophets are few and far between. The Qur’anic guidance is that Muslims must believe in all prophets as equal in the eye of God as an intrinsic part of our faith, as it is part of the very definition of Eiman (belief, faith). There is no difference between Wahhabi and non-Wahhabi in this. Even Shias have similar supremacist attitudes regarding their belief systems. What makes Wahhabis particularly reprehensible is that they are encouraging this prevalent, though dormant, supremacism and using it to declare and wage war against all non-Wahhabis, Muslim or non-Muslim. Other Sunni Muslims and Shias are not doing that. I do not know much about Ahmedis. They are pacifists. But probably they too have dormant supremacist attitudes that are fed by stories like Meraj, etc. and many narrations in Ahadees. So we must clarify our thoughts about these issues and come out openly with what we think rather than maintain damaging and harmful silence as our predecessors did.

     

    It is important for us to fight this very common mindset on the basis of very clear guidance from Quran on this issue.

     

    If I am permitted to quote from a series of articles I wrote for Asia Times Online in December 2003, inspired by my reflections in a long and deep meditation I was blessed with in the temple at Tirupati, I would like to bring the following to the notice of our readers:

     

    According to the Holy Koran, there is not one nation in the world in which a prophet has not been raised up: "There are not a people but a prophet has gone among them" (35:24). And again: "Every nation has had a prophet" (10:47). And again: "And we did not send before thee any but men to whom we sent revelation [Divine Book]" (21:7). 

    We are further told that there have been prophets besides those mentioned in the Holy Koran: "And we sent prophets we have mentioned to thee before [in the Koran], and prophets we have not mentioned to thee [in the Koran]" (4:164). 

    It is, in fact stated in a famous Hadees (also written as Hadith, meaning sayings of the Prophet, as distinct from the Holy Koran, which is believed by Muslims to be the word of God revealed to the Prophet) that there have been 124,000 prophets, while the Holy Koran contains only about 25 names, among them being several non-Biblical prophets. Prophets Hud and Salih came in Arabia, Luqman in Ethiopia, a contemporary of Moses (generally known as Khidzr) in Sudan, and Dhu-i-Qarnain (Darius I, who was also a king) in Persia; all of which is quite in accordance with the theory of universality of prophethood, as enunciated above. And as the Holy Koran has plainly said the prophets have appeared in all nations and that it has not named all of them, which in fact was unnecessary and not even feasible. Thus a Muslim must accept the great luminaries who are recognized by other religions as having brought light to them, regardless of the terminology used to describe them, as the prophets that were sent to those nations. 

    The Koran, however, not only establishes a theory that prophets have appeared in all nations; it goes further and renders it necessary that a Muslim should believe in all those prophets. In the very beginning we are told that a Muslim must "believe in that which has been revealed to Abraham and Ishmael and Issac and Jacob and the tribes, and in that which was given to Moses and Jesus, and in that which was given to the prophets from their Lord, we do not make distinction between any of them" (2:136). The word "prophets" in this verse from the Koran clearly refers to the prophets of other nations. 

    Again and again, and in different contexts, the Holy Koran speaks of Muslims as believing in all the prophets of God and not in the Holy Prophet Mohammad alone: "Righteousness is this that one should believe in Allah and the last day and the angels and the books and the prophets" (2:177). And again in the same surah (chapter): "The Prophet believes in what has been revealed to him from His Lord and so do the believers; they all believe in Allah and His angels and His books and His prophets: And they say 'We make no distinction between any of His prophets' " (2:28). 
    Excerpts from :  http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/EL06Df05.html

    By Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 9:39:38 PM



  • "What has he found who has lost God?
    And what has he lost who has found God?” 
    (Ibn 'Ata' Allah Al-Iskandari)
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/26/2013 11:56:06 AM



  • Dear Rational,
      Can you explain to a non muslim like me the meaning of "ahle sunna wa jamaat" which you mention frequently in your comments.
    By ramesh - 5/26/2013 9:49:33 AM



  • Haan Ji Sultan Saheb!
    And one more thing (please don't think I am interfering): please give more focus on positive stories and positive interpretations of Islam, rather than what I think is an inordinate (though possibly inadvertent) stress on negative interpretations. The chances of changing anyone's beliefs by criticising them are remote. Instead, offer a positive alternative.
    Keep up the hard work--you are a brave man,!
    By Ghulam Kabir - 5/26/2013 8:24:29 AM



  • Kal maine kuchh zyada hi sentences chadha di thi, aaj Sir ne utaar di. But let me say it Sir, once again, very politely, that indeed you suffer from disconnect with the language and mannerism of the 21st century Indian. 

    If you do not believe this, then please go and see it on the website of Times of India where modern Indians discuss issues. Every thing there boils down to an opportunity to use abusive words on each other and personal attacks on the character of Prophet Muhammad. 

    Since you too have chosen to have that kind of freedom that Times of India gives, even though it claims to moderate the comments, you too have to bear with the comments that makes you uncomfortable. 

    I know you love me and I do not mind much of what you said today, but I do not consider myself not to be part of New Age Islam, and I know exactly what needs to be done for the betterment of New Age Islam and by whom. But I cannot do it on other's behalf nor can I be you or you be me, and that is the limitations set by the destiny. Jai Hind, Jai Bharat, Jai New Age Islam.
    By sadaf - 5/26/2013 4:58:55 AM



  • I agree with you Ghulam Kabir Bhai, surely commitment to democracy doesn't mean licensing mobocracy.

    But a rather thin line divides the two. I am trying to curb what you are calling mobocracy to the extent possible. I hope you noticed that.

    By Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 4:56:42 AM



  • Dear attention seeker rational mohd yunus: Followers of alahazrat are not engaged in any war. They may be takfeeris, even prescribe death for apostasy but are not engaged in killing other Muslims, calling them apostates; they are not even engaged in defending themselves when they are suicide-bombed at Sufi shrines.  I do not know of any Bareilwi or Sufi militia even in Pakistan or Mali to defend Sufi shrines. So whatever their faults, and there must be many, I am not focussed on them right now. Our first goal now is to fight the enemies of peace. We at New Age Islam cannot fight Wahhabi warriors; we don’t have the resources for that.  But, to the extent our resources permit, we can try and expose the terrorism inherent in their fascist ideology.

     

    There has to be a reason why all Islamist terrorists that we know of subscribe to the Salafi-Wahhabi school of thought. Our job is to look for these reasons, expose the evil inherent in this fascist ideology of political domination of the world, and warn Muslims to beware of this interpretation of Islam propounded by the Khwarij, Ibn-e-Taimiya, Abdul Wahhab, Abul Ala Maudoodi, Syed Qutub and present day Taliban and other terrorist ideologues like Masood Azhar and Hafiz Saeed.

     

    Some followers of other schools of thought including non-believers like you also look at Islam from a Wahhabi terrorist perspective. Our job is to engage with you too and try to convince you that this is not the case. Historically, the overwhelming majority of Muslims has interpreted Islam as a spiritual path for salvation, as a religion of peace, harmony, co-existence and pluralism, and still does. Even a lot of Muslims who consider themselves Wahhabi believe in these same values, unaware as they are of the true nature of and the real vision of Ibn-e-Tamiyya and Abdul Wahhab. They merely think that not indulging in what may amount to grave worship is Wahhabism. Then there are many followers of non-Wahhabi sects, followers of alahazrat, for instance, who may have a supremacist view of Islam. That is why we try to take on the supremacist values of Wahhabism, not Wahhabis themselves and promote the values of spiritualism and co-existence of all faiths, not the followers of ala-hazrat or anyone else.

     

    However, exclusivism, supremacism and radicalism among all sections of Muslims, including followers of AlaHazrat and even followers of great Sufi masters, is growing fast and enemies of humanity – maybe unconscious - like yourself want to encourage that process, perhaps so that you get to see more and more enjoyable spectacles like 9/11, London, Madrid, Bali, Bombay and of course, Iraq and Libya and Syria, not to speak of Afghanistan and Pakistan. Enemies of humanity like American neo-cons or European far right or Indian right wingers have all got their well-thought-out strategies, tactics, motivations. Short sighted, of course, but at least in the short run, they stand to benefit, or so they think. But why should you be digging your grave I don’t understand. Once you succeed in convincing the followers of Ala-Hazrat that real Islam is the Islam of the Wahhabi vision, I doubt if your will survive very long. You live somewhere in India, I imagine, and followers of AlaHazrat whom you are trying to convert into becoming followers of Abdul Wahhab live in every nook and corner of India. I doubt if they are going to let you live in peace, once they convert to Wahhabism, although, of course, I will pray for your safety. A Wahhabi preaching Wahhabism is, of course, understandable, but a non-believer, propagating Wahhabism must be exceptionally naïve, unless he has weapons to sell or riots to create for political gains.

    By Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 4:48:27 AM



  • Sultan Bhai!
    Thanks for your (confusing!) comment.
    I agree in part with what you have said, but not entirely. With regard to the comments column, surely commitment to democracy doesn't mean licensing mobocracy.
    By Ghulam Kabir - 5/26/2013 4:01:59 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Kabir Saheb (Zameen),  I am extremely sorry for not being able to respond in time. Grateful for your appreciation of our work and your suggestions. Several people have expressed their anguish in comments section as well as in personal letters to me. On the meaninglessness of personal attacks on each other and absurdity of some comments.  However, you will perhaps agree that in the middle of these absurdities, there are some gems hidden. Anyway, I am trying to do the best I can to sanitize the site’s comments section even at the risk of annoying some people who have made great contributions in the past, hoping that they will learn to ignore personal comments and focus on preaching what they believe in.  One doesn’t have to react to everything.

     

    The time and energy one spends in reading article, reflecting, writing and posting comments is far too valuable to be wasted on personal attacks and trading abuses. But then maybe some people have nothing to say and yet want to say something, so what would they do. When I was training as a journalist, I was told: Have something to say and stop when you have said it. I hope some commentators benefit from this golden rule.

     

    At the same time, I also wonder sometimes, if it is I and you and people like us who are wrong and that this is because we are not aligned with 21st century manner of discourse, that we are merely clinging on to our 20th century sensibility.  Since I ask other Muslims to come out of their 7th century mindset and start living in the 21st, I too should perhaps leave my 20th century mindset and start living in the 21st. But then since only one of our colleagues in the comments section considers abusive words as keywords in his discourse, maybe it is he who is wrong. It is so difficult to be certain of anything. That is perhaps why some people consider blind faith as the best policy and live happily ever after. However, this blind belief also leads to wars that humanity cannot afford.

     

    I hope I have confused you and myself enough for today. But you see certainly is stagnation. Confusion leads to progress.

     

    Forgive me for having broken my own rules, having spoken more than I intended to.

    By Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 3:03:17 AM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin

    I sincerely urge you to visit this link. Our friend Mr Ghulam Ghauss likes this site very much. I don't know how much he agrees with the views expressed in the article associated with this link. It may add to your knowledge why interfaith dialogue fails. Why I protested when you declared war unilaterally on wahabis.
    Although you have made clear in one comment to me, and you left little for me to protest still I thought it will not cause harm to your goal if I give this link to you.
    I think both sects are two sides of the same coin. Both should be analyzed before setting to war against intolerance.
     
    http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/penalty-for-insulting-the-beloved-prophet.php

    How do you think if peaceful under some circumstances get the power, will not abuse the power. Absolute power corrupts man.
    At the cost of repetion I would say that seeds of discord are present in ideology of the peaceful. Seeds are waiting for khad pani and season to germinate. If you are really set to war against orthodoxy, intolerance and to promote human rights for all, you need to analyze every ideology you are taking at your side.
    wassalam
    an attention seeker
    rational mohd yunus
    By rational - 5/26/2013 2:54:10 AM



  • Deewane ka khwab hai interfaith or intersect dialogue when the author of the article belongs to people who has following views on other sects.
    http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/women-after-marriage-part-1.php

    After the girl attains adulthood, her parents should find a good match and marry her. During the matchmaking exercise, the parents should abstain from establishing matrimonial relations with families of wrongdoers like Wahabis, Deobandis, Shi'ites, Ahl-e-Hadith (*8). etc. They should give the hand of their daughter into the hand of a Sunni boy who sincerely follows the Sharee'ah and the ways of the Ahle-Sunnah wa Jama'at (*9). . By rational - 5/26/2013 2:00:10 AM



  • Masterpieces are not delivered in middle of nowhere. Jawab Inshallah zaroor milega,

    [Unnecessary Personal Comment Deleted – Editor]

    By rational - 5/26/2013 1:42:41 AM



  • Ashiq Mustafa ji.
    Wahabi to hain hee saari kharaabi zad. aise hi bolte rahte hain.
    Waise bhi agar unhe ilm-e-ghaib thaa bhi to aapke kis kaam ka. bechaaron ko yeh baad men pata chala ki zahreela gosht jo yahodiya ne khilyaa tha ke khaane se tabiyat kharaab ho gai hai aur isi se maut waaqe hui.
    By rational - 5/26/2013 1:25:21 AM



  • aakhir surrender ho gaye.

    Thank you Editor saheb.
    By rational - 5/26/2013 1:09:44 AM



  • I am reposting this comment by Ji, for this Sunday and beyond. May some readers get inspired. Thanks you Ji.:

    -------

    Before I head into my weekend I'd just like to quickly share something that has helped me to feel a whole lot better about myself.

    And it does not only benefit me but also the people in my life.

    It is a very simple habit.

    It is the habit of kindness and it can be expressed in many ways.

    You can for example: Give someone a genuine compliment.
    Hold up the door for the next person.
    Let someone into your lane while driving.
    Encourage a friend or family member when they are uncertain or
    unmotivated.
    Just listen and let someone in your life vent for a little while.
    Or take a few minutes help someone out in a practical way.

    When you have done one of these things, take a moment to pat yourself on the
    back and appreciate what you did. If he or she smiles and lights up thanks to you
    then you'll probably notice how you feel better too.

    And here's an interesting added benefit: the way you treat other people is the way
    you tend to treat yourself.

    More kindness towards the people in your life leads to a kinder and more loving
    attitude towards yourself. Just like a more judgmental attitude towards others
    usually is accompanied with pretty harsh and judgmental thoughts towards
    yourself.

    So spread the kindness is small or bigger doses this Sunday (and beyond). You'll make both the people in your world and yourself feel better.

    Hope you will have a good weekend!

    By Ji - 5/16/2013 11:00:18 PM By Sultan Shahin - 5/26/2013 12:33:44 AM



  • [Abusive Word And Unnecessary Personal Comment Deleted. I am sorry if these were keywords and will affect the integrity of the comment. May God give me better sense and align me with the present day social-networking scene and help me come out of my kathmullayiat and accept abuse and meaninglessness and personal attacks as normal, indeed essential components of good writing! – Editor]

     

    Masterpieces are not delivered in middle of nowhere. Jawab Inshallah zaroor milega,

     

    [Abusive Word And Unnecessary Personal Comment Deleted. I am sorry if these were keywords and will affect the integrity of the comment. May God give me better sense and align me with the present day social-networking scene and help me come out of my kathmullayiat and accept abuse and meaninglessness and personal attacks as normal, indeed essential components of good writing! – Editor]

    By sadaf - 5/26/2013 12:29:34 AM



  • [Unnecessary Personal Comment Deleted. – Editor]

    By rational - 5/26/2013 12:18:21 AM



  • Taqdeer sahab, tadbeer se bigdi hui taqdeer bana lijiye. The spirit of Quran is to exhort people to good, fair in their dealings. Don't you agree with this? 

     

    Assuming that you agree with this, then you have to stick to this agenda of the book and read it in such a way, that you should be picking everything mentioned as good thing to do from there, that is, the actionable things, and leave the rest only for only believing. Actionable things carry their own weightage, if you fail here, your beliefs won't help. It is like failing in Engineering Drawing will not help you pass even if you pass all other papers. However if you take care of your actionables from Quran, you realize that for the other portions, Quran itself says that it won't be understood properly and only Allah could comprehend the real meaning. In some places, you will find, literally words, which have no explanation, no meaning. In such circumstance it is better to leave all that which are only to be believed as a believer does. Just believe it. Because believing doesn't require rationalizing it. Why should it be? After all what is belief, if you require it to rationalize?

     

    In case you are too rational and perhaps a student of science and not arts, and thus fail to understand all these nuances of ideas, then too, it will remain only between you and your God. And God is Rahmaan and Raheem- Merciful and benevolent and this has been over hundred times more than what you have quoted about the number of times Meraj thing is mentioned. Comparing even the numbers like statistician, anyone can know what is more important to be believed whether the story of Meraj or whether that God is Rahmaan and Raheem. 

    By sadaf - 5/25/2013 11:51:52 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 10:37:38 PM
    How you can even start your journey of love and peace when you believe in Miraj literally. It feeds the supremacy. This supremacy is the hurdle in this path.
    You say all prophets are equal but believe that only Hz Mohammed went to a place where Jibreel could not go. Is it not the supremacy of our prophet over other prophets.
    Islamic literature you believe in is full of supremacy of Hz Mohammed. It is just starting. These are all irrational beliefs though you call similar beliefs of other irrational.
    Some Muslims on NAI question the five time prayers.. These prayers are fard-e-Aien and are based on this Miraj. What would you like to say thoseMuslims who question five time prayers? Include me. Can you prove the Quran asks us to offer five time prayers?

    These Questions are to know how a sunnat wal jamati thinks. What are his  beliefs? How he is different from a wahabi? You refused to be a Barailvi. All brailvis call them ahl-e-sunnat-wal-jamat. Both Devbandis and Barailvis follow Fiqh Hanafi in at least India and Pakistan. How you differ? Is he able to reform the Muslims? what reform he can bring.
    Simple lip service will serve no good.
    By rational - 5/25/2013 11:45:52 PM



  • Dear GM Saheb. It is indeed a bitter sip you have to sip that almost every Muslim who consider him religious has interest in whatever is written in Ahadith.
    Your effort to discourage the debate on minor issue like Miraj un nabi is commendable. but this journey plays an important role in religious sphere. You can't bury your head in the sand like an ostrich.
    The link I provided may not be of any importance to you but is a do or die for many Muslims. In fact it feeds the supremacy of Islam over other religions and of prophet over other prophets. How can than you think that your belief all prophets are equal will be acceptable to masses of Muslims?
    Whether I believe in it or not but I respect you for having this equality of prophets and religions.
    I have shown without doubt it is important for Muslims. Mr Ghulam Gauss is an example of this.
    You few people may not believe in literal description of hell and paradise, for all Muslims of almost all sects theses are realities.
    What about Azab-e-Qabr? How Barailvis are different than Wahabis in these matters?
    By rational - 5/25/2013 11:26:01 PM



  • Dear ghulam ghauss, wahabis say those who believe in the the unseen knowledge of the prophet (peace be upon him) are Kafir. They give references from the Quran to prove them Kafir. would you like to tell me about it. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/25/2013 10:57:37 PM



  • I agree with you Taqdeer Sahab. How the journey of spreading love can be started when we do not respect our prophet who taught us how to love the humanity. It seems those who talk about love but do not have love within, those who talk about respect others but do not have respect for the Prophet who taught how to respect all mankind. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/25/2013 10:47:49 PM



  • "Freedom does not mean to be unbridled nor does it mean you can do as you please or choose as you wish or say as you will, for freedom is a great responsibility which should be used with great care and intelligence". (By Khwaja Ghareeb Nawaz ra) By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 10:39:50 PM



  • Dear Rational, you start asking me "why this" when i tell, you again ask me "why that" then i answer you but you conclude saying "no this, no that". Finally you say "this topic is of no paramount importance".
    The religion gives us peace but you make mischief and say that the religion is responsible for that. 
    Anyway we can discuss the current issues creating violent incidents so as to find out the way to peace and love the world over.  
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 10:37:38 PM



  • Dear G M sahib
    Modern muslims may not be interested in the Prophet's journey to the Heaven/paradise but doubtlessly all Muslims are basically educated to get a reserved seat in the Quranic paradise. It is not only Talibans and other Islamist revolutionary propagandist but in every Muslim family there is a talk that bears reference to the paradise which is a reward for every obedience to Islamic rule of conduct.
    The first biographer of the Prophet 
    Ibn Ishaq has a detailed description of the Prophets journey to the heaven and the hell. He was and since the every miladkhwan and majliswalas repeat the story of this journey on the historic day of the ASCENSION oh the prophet.
    How can you make the vast majority of the Muslims to remain unconcerned  with this most important event of the life of the prophet?
    Such an assumption is misleading while talking of the great merits of the character o the prophet himself when Quran does mention it twice as the greatest favour of the Almighty to his beloved Slave.
    By Taqdeer - 5/25/2013 9:41:58 PM



  • "Only a mischief-monger would raise such issues in this website."
    let it be true.
    By rational - 5/25/2013 8:53:28 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 6:37:07 AM
    There is a possibility. I could have asked.
    But why on some specific place.
    "Thus He called the prophet to such a place where even the angel Jibrael could not reach let alone common people."
    Oh! that is great. Only Hz Mohammed could reach there not other prophets.
    So Hz Mohammed is superior to other prophets. He is the boss because he led the prayer in the night of Miraj.
    The Quran says "wa wajadaka dwaallan fahadaa". "wa wajadaka fa-aayilan fa-aghnaa" What does these verses mean?
    You didn't reply from where he started his journey. From his own home or Umm-e-hani's why?

    By rational - 5/25/2013 8:51:53 PM



  • Modern Muslims have no interest in the Prophet's journey to Heaven.
    It may not be true with Mr Ghulam Ghauss saheb. He has much more interest than you think.

    By rational - 5/25/2013 8:41:58 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/25/2013 10:33:49 AM
    Better if you could teach your brothers. I know you try to make understand them in most subtle ways, but are they really interested what you write here.
    most of your views on Islam, prophet and modernity are worth. The question how many so called sufi lovers are going to take them.


    By rational - 5/25/2013 7:06:34 PM



  • Rational,

    Modern Muslims have no interest in the Prophet's journey to Heaven. We have a lot of real issues to deal with. Raising such issues in a website which calls itself NewAgeIslam is a tactic which diverts the commenters into a futile discussion. Only a mischief-monger would raise such issues in this website.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/25/2013 10:33:49 AM



  • I doubt any kind of inter-faith dialogue can succeed till one man in the interaction believes that "those who have different belief than one is going to burn in hell for eternity by one's god" is true.
    By Pankaj - 5/25/2013 7:11:03 AM



  • Dear Rational, If God Almighty had met on the earth in place of Arsh, you would have asked, why not on the Arsh? The question will remain the same. God is omnipresent but to meet His beloved he chose Sidratul Muntaha a good place to show not only Himself but also the world of souls. Thus He called the prophet to such a place where even the angel Jibrael could not reach let alone common people.  By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 6:37:07 AM



  • To Dear Yoginder Sahib, "If love is not an automatic guide then one will never reach ones destination" by khawja Ghareeb Nawaz ra  By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 6:29:48 AM



  • Mr Rational gave a link is really worth mentioining.  http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/the-divine-vision-[meraj-un-nabi].php
    This link clears out all the doubts raised against the prophet's dignity of "The Divine Vision (Meraj-un-Nabi)"
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 6:13:15 AM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS, I second your views "One more thing, i can not give him any form as i do not know about it. I try to imagine God, but i do not find the exact form, as he is purer than what i imagine. Finally my brain is too short to imagine God Almighty, then i come to regard Him as the lord of the entire universe. If you ask me about any form, i will say God is purer than even that form. If you give me any man made form i will say My God is more and more than that too.The purity of God is something where my brain fails to estimate. It is something which can be felt a little by heart but can not be estimated by a human brain". By sheetal - 5/25/2013 6:07:33 AM



  • It is very tempting to have 72 as described in the Quran and Ahadith. Ab bechhare barailvi in niyamaton  jo Allah ne wada kiya hai balki is se bhi zyada jo insaan aur jin ki kalpana men bhi nahi hai se mehroom rahen. Ham kiy kar sakte hain. magar kiya ssare Barailvi tayyar hain?
    By rational - 5/25/2013 5:12:41 AM



  • Dear Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/25/2013 4:37:22 AM
    Bahut bahut Mubarak ho. apne apne taste ki baat hai.
    Bhai aalah ne isi ka waada kiya hai.
    By rational - 5/25/2013 5:07:54 AM



  • "Organise your nation according to the economics, political, education and important laws and conditions. Then you will definitely see, you would become such a nation that everybody will accept you and respect you". by Khawja Ghareeb Nawaz (ra)

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 4:49:28 AM



  • Anybody interested to know the nature of journey of the prophet to Allah via Jerusalem may visit this link.
    Majority of Muslims including Aalim-e-deen believe Hz mo hammed Met Allah in physical form.
    http://www.alahazrat.net/islam/meraj-un-nabi.php

    Indeed, Sayyiduna Rasoolullah (Peace Be Upon Him) saw his Sublime Creator twice. First at Sidratul-Muntaha and then at the Arsh. 
    27. It is recorded in the fourth volume, letter number 283, in the Maktobaat of Hadrat Mujaddid Alfe Thaani Sheikh Ahmad Sirhindi (Radi ALLAH Anh) that:
    آن سرور عليه الصلوة و السلام دران شب از دائرهء مكان و زمان نبرون جست و ازتنكى امكان بر آمده ازل و ابد را آن واحد يافت و بدايت و نهايت را در يك نقطه متحده ديد

    Why to go to Arsh or Sidratul muntaha if He is everywhere?

    By rational - 5/25/2013 4:43:20 AM



  • Dear Ashiqe Mustufa I salute your emotions and feelings.There is nothing more than love to Allah, all his prophets and Human beings.  By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 4:40:44 AM



  • Pyare Rational apko Huro Ghilman chahiye aur mujhe to bas Mustafa Muahammad sallallahu alaihi wasallam ki bas ek muskurahat chahiye. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/25/2013 4:37:22 AM



  • SL, why should I go, why not Zakir Nayak come and face me on New Age Islam? He has delegated some members from his team to keep an eye on New Age Islam, and he often picks words from here.  By sadaf - 5/24/2013 1:22:37 AM
    Zakir (LBUH) is successful in what he wants to achieve.
    Bechaare sadaf aap ho kiya. Why should he come to you on NAI.? If you are sure he is damaging Islam, go there, raise your voice. Say at his face what do you say for us. Use your favorite word at his face. We admit we are not able to do that. We are not Bahadur Bachhas.
    Miyan aap ho kya cheeze. bas do chaar comment likhe logon ko gaali di aur ban gaye mujahid-e-islam.
    Miyan mujahid ki abjad bhi maaloom hai.

    Miyam ham ne to uska mukammal lecture bhi nahi suna aur tum hamen uska shagird kahte ho. chalo yun hi sahi. uska shagird ban ne se ho sakta hai kuchh paisa aa jaaye, kuch naam ho jaaye aapka shaagird ban kar kiya milega faqat wada-e-wisal. Wisal with whome. Allah. Miyan wahaan to wada-e-hoor hai. aur bhai hooe kaun nahi chaahega. ye khaali peeli spirituality aapko mubarak, hamen to hoor-o-ghilmaan chahiye jo aalah ne waada kiya hai. aur aalah ka wada saccha hai.

    By rational - 5/25/2013 4:33:12 AM



  • Thanks dear Ghulam Kabir, for pointing out to the misspelling in my name written beside my picture. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 4:32:05 AM



  • A message to SECULAR, RATIONAL, Be beloved to those who are working out here on this site to fight against the criminals like Wahabis and SALAFIS who have damaged Islam. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/24/2013 7:10:11 AM
    Dear Ashiqe Mustafa
    Be assured we are on the same path. Don't you allow us to use freedom of different path.
    At least I as a Wahabi (since you insist calling me) is your ally. You do whatever you like to this wahabi.
     Mr Sadaf except his lip service is a total failure. How can he fight against Zakir Nalayaq, Wahabi ideology if he is utterly failure against one "rational"

    Ro raha hai, censor ship ki maang ka raha hai. Dhuan uth raha dimaag meen.

    Suppose Sultan shahin saheb bows to his and his like's demand, what worst can happen. Few voices will go away. Finish.



    By rational - 5/25/2013 4:21:15 AM



  • One more thing, i can not give him any form as i do not know about it. I try to imagine God, but i do not find the exact form, as he is purer than what i imagine. Finally my brain is too short to imagine God Almighty, then i come to regard Him as the lord of the entire universe. If you ask me about any form, i will say God is purer than even that form. If you give me any man made form i will say My God is more and more than that too.The purity of God is something where my brain fails to estimate. It is something which can be felt a little by heart but can not be estimated by a human brain. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 4:19:09 AM



  • Dear sheetal - 5/24/2013 6:46:08 AM

    So far Mr Sadaf is a failed teacher. We don't mind even if you call him a prophet or Avtar of Parshuram.
    By rational - 5/25/2013 4:04:15 AM



  • Dear Ramesh, how can you say that God is in some physical form simply because the prophet met Allah Almighty? Ok i agree the prophet met Allah, but could you please tell me whether the prophet told us about the form of God. No he did not. So without knowing the exact we can not give him any form which may not suit for his lordship as Allah almighty is the best of our imagination regarding his form. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/25/2013 4:01:44 AM



  • If Islamic God is omnipresent, there was no need of that journey via Jerusalem.
    Mr Ghulam Ghauss may respond whether it was a physical or spiritual. He believes in miracles. He must not have difficulty in accepting it as physical. A dream doesn't make it miraculous. It is miraculous only if the prophet really visited in physical form.
    By rational - 5/25/2013 4:00:34 AM



  • Dear ramesh - 5/24/2013 7:58:59 PM
    Some Muslims believe, that journey was spiritual while others believe it was physical. Prophet Hz Mohammed witnessed many things there. If it was spiritual, how come his bad was warm when he returned to it.
    Fore some moderate Muslims it is quite illogical but it may be a miracle for our friend Mr Ghauss.

    By rational - 5/25/2013 3:34:15 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus,
    Your name is misspelled...Ghuas, instead of Ghaus
    By Ghulam Kabir - 5/25/2013 2:20:56 AM



  • Sadaf, you could have said what you wanted to say without a detour towards analysis of my analytical abilities. Your conclusions about these are far off the mark, but no matter. Maybe it makes you feel great to write off other people as being of inferior intelligence than you. 

    I find your concluding line pretty weird and warped. Why must we continue to bear insults from the moderates? Is it the dhimmi thingie you are referring to?
    By secular logic - 5/24/2013 9:17:55 PM



  • Dear Ghause,
      I refer to our discussion on the subject of imposition of particular method of   prayer and related  violence. I cannot believe that more than one billion humans can voluntarilly accept  a particular method with ectasy. It is suprising that you could read the minds of more than one million muslims.
        It is nothing but simple imposition. This imposition I call violence on muslims by islam. Remove this violence on muslims  and I believe ,islam will become a peaceful religion.

     Arabia with pagans was much more peaceful than with the present muslims. Pagans had freedom to worship suiting their evolution process but the muslims are denied the same.
      You will not agree as you are constrained to disagree. But Iam not constrained to agree.
         
    By ramesh - 5/24/2013 8:12:06 PM



  • Dear Mr Ghause,
      I refer to the post regarding verses in the quran on ominpresence of god. It made sense. I hope the same is not contradicted elsewhere in the quran.
      I refer to the hadith in which prophet is taken by an angel to Allah wherein Allah commands prophet for 70 times prayer by muslims.The same reduced to 5 times on the request of prophet on account of practicality. This hadith indicates that god is in some physical form, whom prophet met. Hence contradiction with quranic verses.

    By ramesh - 5/24/2013 7:58:59 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus Sahib,
    Peace!
    Thanks for posting these wonderful pearls from different Sufis. Positive messages like this are very useful and inspiring.
    Do please keep it up!

    By yoginder sikand - 5/24/2013 5:18:17 PM



  • Dear rational,
     Thank you for reference to  the book " Mind its mysteries and control".
    By ramesh - 5/24/2013 10:22:25 AM



  • Dear Sadaf,
       Thank you for denouncing sharia. But you have made a condition-sharia of wahabism and supermacism.  When 'n' mo of sharia's exist , then it will be confusion. I took reference from Tareq fatah only. If what I said is idiotic ,then Tareq Fatah said also idiotic.Please ponder over.
    Ramesh
    By ramesh - 5/24/2013 10:20:21 AM



  • The greatest Sufi of India khawja Ghareeb Nawaz says “If a person has these 3 qualities then he is Allah’s wali (friend):

    He is generous like the sea, every creation is blessed alike with his favours.

    He is affectionate like the sun whose light is spread for everyone.

    He is hospitable like the earth, which is hospitable in exactly the same way towards all”.

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/24/2013 9:16:58 AM



  • “Look towards that person who looks towards you. Love that person that loves you, listen to that person that listens to you and give your hands in his hands that are prepared to grasp it”. By  Shaykh Abd al-Qadir al-Jilani Radi Allahu

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/24/2013 9:04:22 AM



  • Dear Ashiqe Mustufa, I am glad to read Sufis’ pearls of wisdom quoted by you.

    Take one more from me. This is all about spiritual meditation to remove all kinds of false doubts. An unknown Sufi said:

    Your remedy is within you,

    But you do not sense it,

    Your illness is from you,

    But you do not perceive it.

    You presume you are an insignificant entity,

    But within you is enfolded

    The entire universe.

    Thus, you have no need to look beyond yourself

    What you seek is within you,

    If only you reflect!

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/24/2013 8:54:41 AM



  • Loved this. Worth reading again and again. Thanks JI.

    Here are some more wise words from a Sufi:

    "And now we come again to the question of God. Because this is the important question we must first make it clear in our minds before we take a further step in spiritual progress. Since to analyze God means to dethrone God, the less said on the subject the better. But at the same time, the seekers for truth who want to tread the spiritual path with open eyes and whose intellect is hungering for knowledge, should know something about it.

    There is a Hebrew story that once Moses was walking near the bank of a river. And he saw a shepherd boy speaking to himself. Moses was interested and halted there to listen to what he was saying. The shepherd boy was saying, 'O God, I have heard so much of You. You are so beautiful, You are so lovely, You are so kind, that if You ever came to me I would clothe You with my mantle, and I would guard You night and day. I would protect You from the cruel animals of this forest, and bathe You in this river, and bring to You all good things, milk and buttermilk. I would bring You a special bread. I love You so much. I would not let anyone cast his glance upon You. I would be all the time near You. I love You so much! If only I could see You once, God, I would give all I have.' Moses said, 'What are you saying!' The boy looked at Moses and trembled and was afraid. 'Did I say anything wrong?' he asked. Moses said, 'God, the Protector of all beings, you think of protecting Him, of giving Him bread? He gives bread to the whole universe. You say you would bathe Him in the river. He is the purest of all pure things. And how can you say that you will guard Him who guards all beings?' And the boy trembled. He thought, what a terrible thing I have done! He seemed to be lost. But as Moses went a few steps further there came a voice, 'Moses, what did you do! We sent you to bring our friends to Us, and now you have separated one. No matter how he thought of Us, he thought of Us just the same. You should have let him think the way he was thinking about Us. You should not have interfered with him!' 1  Everyone has his own imagination of God. It is best if everyone is left to his own imagination."

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 7:28:18 PM
    By sadaf - 5/24/2013 8:41:00 AM



  • Secular Logic says, our goals are one though stemming from different motivations. He wishes that a growing Muslim community should not become a threat to Non-Muslims, but I wish Islam to have a softer, more tolerant, modern makeover and mellowing down of radicals and divisive tendencies and finding some ways to live together in peace.

    Now here you have got it wrong once again. I tell you where, but before that I must say something about your ability to comprehend things. You will well say, I am insulting you. But you indeed have poor ability and you must have finished very badly in schools. Anyway.

    My motivation is not so much dramabaazi. It is also the same, that 'the growing Muslim community should not become a threat to non-Muslims'.

    Let me produce some evidence for what I say. Time and again I have said, I have no sympathy for Muslims just because they are Muslims, but then I have no angst against them just because they are Muslims.Pages and pages of writings I have done saying things on this and yet you come to conclude that I 'may disagree'  that the blame rests at the door of Muslim community.

    But you are such a blind person, progeny of Andha King of Mahabaharat and having the same tendencies of his sons, that you fail to see you are going to be a loser in a fight which you thrust on others unjustly. Saari Ramayan padh ke people like you ask 'achchha yeh batao, Sita aakhir kiska baap tha?'

    Rest things I agree with you. You have to bear the insults from moderates as long as you have to get the job done.
    By sadaf - 5/24/2013 8:28:21 AM



  • "Naturally, the common people don't want war......., but after all it is the leaders of a country who determine the policy, and its always a simple matter to drag the people along whether its a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship...... voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country."

    By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/24/2013 7:55:15 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Rasool saheb, I endorse your views as:

    “Today the majority judge others by notions and not by knowledge. Frequently our understandings are beyond the truth and reality. Many even are not aware of the fundamental principles of their own religions. As a result, misunderstandings lead us to misdeeds. So, interfaith dialogue makes us understand ourselves as well as others.”

     

    We are really not deeply aware of all truths, realities and facts behind teachings and practices of other religions, that’s why Wahhabis, Salafies and Tablighies regard practices and teachings of all schools of thought within Islam, as kufr and shirk, except their school of thought.

     

    And the only way to establish peace and harmony between followers of all other religions is inter faith dialogue.

    By Misbahul Hoda - 5/24/2013 7:46:08 AM



  • If a man avoids disputing when he is wrong, Allah Ta’ala builds for him a mansion in the middle part of paradise. If a man avoids disputing when he is right, Allah Ta’ala builds for him a mansion in the highest part of paradise By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/24/2013 7:43:08 AM



  • Dear Ashique and Sheetal, thank you for your suggestions. I am here on NAI because I want to engage with Muslim people, for what it is worth, and to learn more about the dynamics of the muslim world, and on basis of that, form an opinion.

    Sadaf, I agree with you that Indians have a tendency to elevate personalities to the status of Godhood. I myself am free of this weakness. Gandhi or Shivaji, Nehru or Ambedkar, Zakir Nayak or Sri Sri Ravi Shankar. They're just extraordinary humans, but one cannot deny the clout they have on large masses of people, and hence it is important that their influence be stemmed, because they can create a really volatile situation.

    Our goals are one, though they stem from different motivations. I wish that a growing Muslim community should not become a threat to non-Muslims, you wish Islam to have a softer, more tolerant and modern makeover and a mellowing down of radical and divisive tendencies and finding some way to live together in peace. I don't like Islam, you dont like Hinduism, but that is okay, don't you see? Liking is not necessary for peaceful co-existence. What is necessary that the two streams of thought move in the direction of conversion rather than diversion, which is sadly happening at present, and for this, I lay the blame at the door of the Muslim community, worldwide. You may disagree, which is fine.

    Yes, we outsiders cannot do anything. But we can voice our opinions and fears. It is the "moderates" who have to stop being lily livered and have to step out in the open and force radicalism to retreat. We can only cheer from the sidelines. What can we give you in return? Nothing. Peace, equality, gender equality, progress themselves are greater rewards than anything we can offer you. 
    By secular logic - 5/24/2013 7:31:49 AM



  • A message to SECULAR, RATIONAL, Be beloved to those who are working out here on this site to fight against the criminals like Wahabis and SALAFIS who have damaged Islam. By Ashiqe Mustafa - 5/24/2013 7:10:11 AM



  • RATIONAL, SECULAR LOGIC, RAMESH SEEMS TO BE THE STUDENTS OF ZAKIR NAYAK. 
    SADAF WILL GIVE YOU ALL A NEW LESSONS YOU WILL FORGET YOUR MASTER ZAKIR NAYAK.
    THANKS
    By sheetal - 5/24/2013 6:46:08 AM



  • He is the one being publically denounced on New Age Islam. This website doesn't open just at my place. And I have told you, his kaarkoons follow this website religiously and sometimes lift an entire para, word by word to insert in his speeches.

    You must be over rating him. 

    Indeed he has setup a grand business, mixing religion and money, but he is a mere orator. 'mere'?! Yes 'mere', because it takes just 30 repetitions to mug up any passage to deliver it for the first time and remember he has been saying the same thing over and over again and each time sounding better that earlier which is quite obvious.

    But while he is just an orator and utter words, the words that is coined here, I am the one who coin the words. 

    I denounce him and he is aware of it. People are aware of it. Shias, Barelvis, Qadiyanis all are against him, yet you make him a Bhagwan like you people make any larger than life figure a Bhagwan. And just because of that he will not come to have a debate with me word for a word on New Age Islam. 

    But from some practicle point of view, he is doing some primary class level work and we know that once people are soaked with some idea and made dry and be prepared to face even more complex things, then he will be not required any more. He won't be able to answer complex questions on Islam. They will have to then turn up here.

    As for the strong contingent of moderates denouncing him, let me ask you one thing. Are you ready to consider us moderates? If not, then what's the use? Let me ask you something more. Who are the moderates then, if not us? And lastly, in what way you can benefit moderates to do the job? The job will have to be done by moderates only and you cannot do it on your own, so the moot point is how are you going to compensate the moderates for using their influence? 
    By sadaf - 5/24/2013 6:19:18 AM



  • Sadaf, you should go to him, because he is the one who is acting against the islamic tenet "to you your faith..."; he is the one mocking other religions; he is the one who should be publicly denounced in front of his own followers by a strong contingent of moderates, who are wearing out their eyes and fingers on NAI teaching us what is Islam instead of teaching it to those who need to be taught. Why on earth will Mr Nayak come to you? 

    Mr Ramesh, I am glad you read it. At least one lie has been nailed now thanks to one respected personality like Tareq Fateh who does not mince words, and whose mind and tongue seem remarkably unbiased and free of fear. 
    By secular logic - 5/24/2013 4:38:21 AM



  • Dear Ramesh, indeed I said quoted the verse ‘there is no compulsion in the religion’. I can not force you to assume the unanimously accepted methods of worship among Muslims. The methods of worshiping God are not violent for Muslims, though it may be violent for you with no reason at all.

    As for rights attributed by Islam, they are greater than what you have not yet perceived. If someone is sick, Islam gives him discount and the sick can worship on his own. This is bigger right I have never seen regarding worship. This is a little bit more than democracy By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/24/2013 2:03:34 AM



  • SL, why should I go, why not Zakir Nayak come and face me on New Age Islam? He has delegated some members from his team to keep an eye on New Age Islam, and he often picks words from here.  By sadaf - 5/24/2013 1:22:37 AM



  •  I denounce Shariah. But what Shariah do I denounce? I denounce the Shariah of Islam supremacism and Wahabism. There are 'n' numbers of Shariah, and Sharia is not like your Ved ki jo likha hai so likha hai. Shariah is not God's words for us. Quran is. And it is subject to interpretations. Aage se bewaqoofi wali baat mat bolna Ramesh Babu. By sadaf - 5/24/2013 12:44:13 AM



  • Dear SL,
      I read the article by Tareq fatah. As per him armed jihad  against Kuffar has a basis in Sharia.Hence when one stands by sharia ,he cannot be termed peaceful. I have not come across a single moderate in NAI denouncing sharia.
    By ramesh - 5/24/2013 12:36:34 AM



  • Dear ramesh - 5/23/2013 11:59:44 PM
    It goes like chit bhi meri pat bhi meri.
    I started reading "MIND--ITS MYSTERIES AND CONTROL." I was aware of this book, but didn't read it but one or two pages. Now it is in my hand.
    It is easy to read and understand. Thanks for mentioning it. 

    As I stated earlier astrology is not my cup of tea, but on other topics we can go.

    By rational - 5/24/2013 12:28:56 AM



  • Dear Ghulam,
       In the article you write "there is no compulsion in religion" but in the comment section you advocate/impose  only one method of worship for muslims.  What is this contradiction? One person two views? Imposing one method of worship is just compulsion in religion. This is nothing but violence committed by islam on muslims. When you commit violence on muslims ,it is but natural for muslims to turn violent. When you say only one method of worship is permitted to muslims , you are no different from a wahabi who impose their view on muslims.
       You claim islam is democratic. In which muslim countery worthy democracy exist. Please indicate. Islam and democracy cannot go together.  A community that cannot give minimum liberty of freedom to choose a method of worship cannot have a semblence of democracy.   
    By ramesh - 5/23/2013 11:59:44 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS
    "Dear Rational, please try to understand Wahabis have spread misunderstandings and brainwashed our Muslim brothers. At such times, it is very difficult to look out remedy for this virus"
    Which Muslim brothers are you talking about? Ahle sunnat wal jamat alone.
    What about rest 72 sects? Who brainwashed 72 sects in believing they are right and other are wrong. Who brainwashed Shias believing that they are real inheritors of the prophet? 

    By rational - 5/23/2013 11:30:39 PM



  • Dear Mr Ghulam Ghauss
    Best answer I found in a reply to Mr Qadri from Maulana Wahidudden Khan based on the clear Quranic Ayat and Hadith. You will quote another verse from the same Quran and that is the dilemma.
    So it is useless to believe in intersession. I doubt you will accept it because of your stone-engraved beliefs not product of your thinking but blind reverence of your peers. That's how Dukandari  of peers are in progress. I will put it here in future comments.
    By rational - 5/23/2013 10:42:22 PM



  • you might like to read this as well:

    By secular logic - 5/23/2013 9:57:19 PM



  • Attn: Sultan Shahin, Ghulam Mohiyuddin, Sadaf, Rational, Ghulam Ghaus... the rest of the regular commentators have left the site, so I can't tag them.

    Do read this piece by Tareq Fateh.

    By secular logic - 5/23/2013 9:21:49 PM



  • Aziz Sultan Saheb,

    I am a great admirer of yours and of NAI, and so here are some words, straight from my heart, about improving the website.

    1.       Most of the articles and news reports are about some or the other negative development in the ‘Muslim world’. This makes for very depressing reading. I agree that these need to be highlighted, one reason being that the ‘Muslim media’ often ignores these and also because there is a desperate need for introspection. But do please try to balance these reports and articles with positive ones, which can help keep one’s faith and hopes alive!!!!!

    2.       The comments column ought not, in my view, continue to be unmoderated. It appears that it Is being used by some people to abuse, rant and rave, trade personal insults etc., which sometimes seems to make reading NAI even more depressing and negative than it already is! I would suggest that you limit the column only to those messages that directly concern a particular article or news report that appears on the site. Those who want to insult a certain person (!!!!) or to ask queries from a particular person can get in touch with him (sadly, there are hardly any ‘hers’ on NAI, this being, like most other ‘Islamic’ sites, almost wholly male-inhabited) on his email id.

     Galtiyon ke liye maafi chahta hun.

     Apka khairkhwah

    Zameen 

    By Ghulam Kabir - 5/23/2013 8:52:51 PM



  • Dear Sultan Sahib,
    The story about Moses and the shepherd is, I suppose fairly widely-known in some Sufi circles. Hazrat Maulana Rumi also mentions it in his Masnavi. You can do a google search using 'Rumi Mathnavi Moses Shepherd' to get more information. A beautiful and enlightening narrative, isn't it?
    Keep up the good work, and I pray that God continues to bless you......
    I have noted some comments about moderating the comments column--I really think you ought to do it......We don't want NAI to be a platform for people to vent their pent-up hate or for 'ALTOO FALTOO TIME PASS'. Criticism is certainly welcome, but it ought to be free from venom and should be inspired by a search for truth.
    By Ji - 5/23/2013 6:27:23 PM



  • Dear Mr. Ji, thanks for so many Sufi words of wisdom. Could you tell us who is the author of the Story of Moses and the Shepherd, a truly enlightening narrative. Not that the authorship matters. Words of wisdom are words of Wisdom. In India in particular there has been a tradition of not bothering about names of authors. Yet it helps. Some Islam-Supremacists also go in the name of Sufis. By Sultan Shahin - 5/23/2013 5:34:46 PM



  • Ghulam Ghaus Saheb, I fully agree with you about God's forgiving nature. He is called hir-rehman nir-Rahim 114 times in the Quran. That's why we need not spend our time debating whether there is an intercessor or not. By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/23/2013 12:23:33 PM



  • Mr Rational, i do not want to make Islamic supremacy. What i want is the Muslims must reform themselves and do good to others rather than trying to lead supremacy like Wahabis. How nice it would be if one forced himself to do good to human beings.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:47:28 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Mohiuddin sb,   

    Faith in intercession does not demand the one to commit crimes but rather he should have love to Allah and his beloved slaves and all humanity and do every good deed. As it said human is made of error. A man commits mistake intentionally or unintentionally, but if he repents upon, he will be forgiven. I also agree with you ‘if we live righteous lives and do good deeds, why should we worry about it?

    As for those who have faith in intercession, and do good doings, I think there is nothing wrong. The people like Mr Rational should not regard it as identical to God By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:33:17 AM



  • We are slaves of Allah who gives us means of subsistence. Giving means of subsistence is the glory of Allah. But there are many who give means of subsistence to the needy ones, though this is particularity of God Almighty, would you say that they are like God? No they are not God. Allah has made them wealthy persons whereby they are meeting the needs of the poor. Can you again say they are like God?

    Dear Rational, please try to understand Wahabis have spread misunderstandings and brainwashed our Muslim brothers. At such times, it is very difficult to look out remedy for this virus By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:31:57 AM



  • Dear Rational you say "intercession is a useless exercise" and "a door to auliyaparsti and qabraparasti". That is how some people are treated like God’

    You might have learnt this false allegation from your counterparts ‘Wahabis’, as you do not know the intention of those who believe in intercession. Those who have faith in intercession intentionally mean to feel that God can give his beloved slaves the power of intercession. No one is going to treat these slaves like God By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:30:13 AM



  • Dear RAMESH, you have sought the Quranic references that Allah exists in every direction. Many verses in the Quran prove this fact. I have chosen a few of them, as follows:

    [2:115] ‘To ALLAH belongs the East and the West; so whithersover you turn, there will be the face (face: allegorical meaning) of ALLAH. Surely, ALLAH is Bountiful, All-Knowing’

    [2:186] ‘And when My servants ask you concerning Me, then surely I am very near; I answer the prayer of the suppliant when he calls on Me.’

    [2:255] ‘His throne extends over the heavens and the earth; and the care of them wearies Him not; and He is the High, the Great’.

    [4:58] ‘And surely, excellent is that with which ALLAH admonishes you. ALLAH is All-Hearing, All Seeing’.

    [6:103] ‘The eyes see Him not, but He sees the eyes (of man) ; He is the All-subtle, the All-aware’.

    [10:61] ‘And there is not hidden from thy Lord even an atom's weight in the earth or in the heaven’

    [24:35] Allah is the light of the heavens and the earth

    [34:50] Say, “If I err, I alone would bear its consequences. But if I am on the right path, it is because my Lord sends me the revelation. Indeed, He hears all, and He is really close at hand.”

    [50:16]We are nearer to him than his life-vein

    [57:3] HE is the First and the Last, and the Manifest and the Hidden, and HE has full knowledge of all things.

    These verses sow His presence not only in the Heavens but in the earth By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:28:36 AM



  • Many say Allah literally has a Throne that He sits on and does not have a presence in the earth. If one ponders over the many verses referred to in the Quran relative to where Allah exists, one would certainly come to the conclusion that Allah is everywhere (in earth as well as in the heavens). He is near especially to everyone who remembers him. He answers prayers of the supplicant. He is the light of the Heavens and the earth. His presence is everywhere. Not even a leaf can fall or move without his knowledge. He is All Knowing, All seeing and all Hearing among his 99 attributes.

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 11:25:30 AM



  • Mr Ghaus,

    Why should it be so rigid even for Muslims? Why not give them freedom with just loose parameters? This whole idea of my way or the highway to hell is undemocratic.

    Mr Sadaf,
    Its no use cursing Mr Naik on NAI. You curse me to my face, don't you? Go curse Mr Naik to his face, in front of all his mad followers, then I will say you are sincere and brave and befitting of the knighthood "Brave Warrior of NAI" bestowed upon you by Mr SS.

    By secular logic - 5/23/2013 10:11:50 AM



  • Some people oppose Zakir Nayak for hurting Non-Muslim's sentiments and they are here on this site and are Muslims. This you don't see Secular Logic and stereotype them. By sadaf - 5/23/2013 6:40:15 AM



  • Dear Ramesh, a very enthusiastic effort you have made to miscontextualize so as to make contradiction between me and Mr Sadaf. Both Sadaf and Ghaus version of Islam are the same and the right in its respective context. The Quranic verse ‘to your way and to me my way’ is referred to religion. The literal and exact meaning of the verse‘لكم دينكم ولي دين’ is ‘ to you your religion and to me my religion’. This verse was referred to the pagans of Arab. The prophet did not force anyone in his preaching as Allah descended the same verse. Now it is a lesson for every preacher not to use any sort of force to get others converted to Islam.

    As for me, I meant to say that no one could have worshiped God as better as Muhammad pbuh, he taught us how to worship Allah/God Almighty. How to perform Namaz, Haj, pay Zakat is all described in the Quran and Hadith. All the obligatory worships are compulsory to be made as Islam has taught Muslims.

    You were talking about democracy which is found in Islam. All Muslims unanimously worship in Islamic way and are ecstatic which more than the fruit of democracy is.

    In short both contexts are different. Mr Sadaf referred his meaning not to force non-Muslims whereas I referred my meaning to Muslims By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/23/2013 6:39:08 AM



  • Call me lackey or whatever. If the editors had not censored my words, you would have had a befitting reply you ** (Editors aren't sure to censor or not, but do not want to take any chance. No benefit of doubts given.) By sadaf - 5/23/2013 6:09:57 AM



  •   There is contradiction between what Mr sadaf says and what Mr ghause says. As per sadaf ":to you your way and to me my way" . But to Mr ghause god cannot be worshipped beyond islam permissible ways. Which is correct islam? Sadaf islam or ghause islam?
         Mr Ghuase islam imposes one particular method of worship for all muslims if not for all mankind. Herein lies the seeds of theocracy and violence by muslims. A society that cannot give freedom of worship to its people how can it be democratic ?. Hence democracy has nor worked in most  muslim majority states  so far and will not work in future as well . 
      Mr Ghause ,which verse of quran says that god is omnipresent? As per quran allah is in the garden of edens underneath which river flows. With such description of where allah is located how can he be omnipresent?
      

    By ramesh - 5/23/2013 3:04:53 AM



  • Rational, yes, it does. Then can you blame non-Muslims for feeling an aversion to the ideology?

    The so called 'moderates' and 'liberals' are great warriors when it comes to chasing off non-muslims and calling them islamophobes and janasanghees and malicious commentators whenever we point out the inconsistencies and the supremacist tendencies of Islam. 

    It does not require much courage to do that. What requires courage is to confront your own people. The violent, vindictive forces that have overtaken your faith and are spreading terror in the world. Yesterday they beheaded a British soldier shouting "Allahu Akbar" - and they are justifying the act by saying, aren't your soldiers killing people in Afghanistan. 

    Is there no difference in Islam between war and crime? 
    By secular logic - 5/22/2013 10:08:39 PM



  • Dear secular logic - 5/22/2013 11:49:40 AM
    While Mr Sultan Shahin and Mr Mohammed Yunus and Mr Aiman Reyaz leave no stone unturned to prove "Islam has no supremacy", but our learned friends Ghulam Ghuass saheb breaks this image. Somehow it comes on the surface no matter how much it is concealed.
    By rational - 5/22/2013 9:49:50 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:56:05 AM
    From your comment, one can see and conclude "intercession is a useless exercise" and "a door to auliyaparsti and qabraparasti". That is how some people are treated like God.

    By rational - 5/22/2013 9:42:22 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:45:14 AM
    Thanks for your comments on intercession. Please pay some attention to what Mr GM said on it. I fully agree with him.
    Intercession can't be discussed intelligently. GM saheb said. So you can continue with, which can be discussed intelligently like scientific topics and absurd Islamic Science.
    By rational - 5/22/2013 9:36:37 PM



  • Dear secular logic - 5/22/2013 9:02:16 PM.

    No, he is his lackey.
    By rational - 5/22/2013 9:26:57 PM



  • Sadaf, are you Ghulam Ghaus? Let him answer.

    I have heard that "to you your way..." stuff ad nauseum. You guys say one thing, and do another. Some go around battering temples, and some go around mocking other faiths like that Zakir Naik fellow. Go tell them that line, if you have the guts.  
    By secular logic - 5/22/2013 9:02:16 PM



  • Here are some more wise words from a Sufi:

    "And now we come again to the question of God. Because this is the important question we must first make it clear in our minds before we take a further step in spiritual progress. Since to analyze God means to dethrone God, the less said on the subject the better. But at the same time, the seekers for truth who want to tread the spiritual path with open eyes and whose intellect is hungering for knowledge, should know something about it.

    There is a Hebrew story that once Moses was walking near the bank of a river. And he saw a shepherd boy speaking to himself. Moses was interested and halted there to listen to what he was saying. The shepherd boy was saying, 'O God, I have heard so much of You. You are so beautiful, You are so lovely, You are so kind, that if You ever came to me I would clothe You with my mantle, and I would guard You night and day. I would protect You from the cruel animals of this forest, and bathe You in this river, and bring to You all good things, milk and buttermilk. I would bring You a special bread. I love You so much. I would not let anyone cast his glance upon You. I would be all the time near You. I love You so much! If only I could see You once, God, I would give all I have.' Moses said, 'What are you saying!' The boy looked at Moses and trembled and was afraid. 'Did I say anything wrong?' he asked. Moses said, 'God, the Protector of all beings, you think of protecting Him, of giving Him bread? He gives bread to the whole universe. You say you would bathe Him in the river. He is the purest of all pure things. And how can you say that you will guard Him who guards all beings?' And the boy trembled. He thought, what a terrible thing I have done! He seemed to be lost. But as Moses went a few steps further there came a voice, 'Moses, what did you do! We sent you to bring our friends to Us, and now you have separated one. No matter how he thought of Us, he thought of Us just the same. You should have let him think the way he was thinking about Us. You should not have interfered with him!' 1  Everyone has his own imagination of God. It is best if everyone is left to his own imagination."

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 7:28:18 PM



  • secular logic, to you your way, to me mine, from quraan, (Offensive expression removed - Editor)
    By sadaf - 5/22/2013 5:38:18 PM



  • Irrespective of what the Hadiths say, we shall never know if anyone will intercede for us or not, but if we live righteous lives and do good deeds, why should we worry about it? Why waste our time on something that is unknowable? By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/22/2013 12:20:43 PM



  • "God is omnipresent but can not be worshiped in any form beyond Islamic and permissible ways.  "-Ghulam Ghouse

    I hope you are only speaking for yourself here, and not for all mankind. Nobody can decide for others, each one must choose the form and object of worship that brings him the maximum benefit of prayer. I think this is the most annoying part of Islam. The declaration that your way is the best, and most correct way. As if it is the first law of Newton.
    By secular logic - 5/22/2013 11:49:40 AM



  • Let me tell you when i close my eyes i can feel my God into my heart.When i open my eyes, i can feel  but can not see Him. I can feel my God within my heart intentionally bowing down to Him and saying that "O my God" i am your slave, can not see you, but you can do that and are all pervasive. O my God you can listen to me, as you have said in the holy Quran that when a slave remembers Allah, Allah will remember that slave. Thus I feel my God within my heart. As for worshiping him, I worship my God as he has taught us in the holy Quran. We have also learnt from the Ahadith how to worship God.
    It is something what can not be understood without intense and sincere love to Allah Almighty.   
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 10:27:21 AM



  • Dear Ramesh, I have already given answer to you. Again i say God is omnipresent but can not be worshiped in any form beyond Islamic and permissible ways.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 10:08:59 AM



  • Faith in intercession

    The major point of faith in intercession is that Allah Almighty is the sole real Creator, and Master. Neither He has avarice nor fear of anyone. He is Absolutely Independent. All others are helpless and dependent on Him. He has chosen His "loved ones" from His servants and made Hadrat Muhammad Mustafa PBUH leader of them. He pleases them with His favours and entertains their "say" out of His infinite mercy. He has made His "loved ones" intercessor for His servants to show their greatness and excellences.

    Also Allah has blessed "Auliyah"(saints) of the community of the Holy Prophet with such a high rank that if they swear for something their words come true by the grace of Allah.

    Allah Almighty has made our blessing Hadrat Saieyyedina Muhammadur Rasoolullah pbuh His great vicegerent and beloved and said: "O' beloved! your Sovereign Lord will surely give you so much that you will be pleased By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:56:05 AM



  • Dear Rational, I have a huge collection of Ahadith which prove that intercession is permissible. I will give you more if you want. The Holy Prophet the Intercessor of the Sinners (Peace and Blessings of Allah be Upon Him) said,

    إني آتي جهنم ، فأضرب بابها ، فيفتح لي ، فأدخل ، فأحمد الله محامد ما حمده أحد قبلي مثله ، ولا يحمده أحد بعدي ثم أخرج منها من قال : لا إله إلا الله

    “I shall go towards Hell and knock at its door, so it will be opened for me. I will enter it - and praise Allah with such praise that has never been done by anyone before me, nor shall it ever be done by anyone after me – and shall remove from it every such person who has with a sincere heart said ‘None is worthy of worship except Allah’.”

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:45:14 AM



  • “Intercession has much more scope for the Ummah, for it is for every such person who dies on faith.” [Ahmed, Tibrani & Bazaaz from Hadrat Mua’az ibn Jabal]

     Ref: (Musnad Ahmad, Vol. 43, Page 55, Hadith 20255)(al-Khasais al-Kubra, Vol. 2, Page 335)(al-Mau'jam al-Kabeer, Vol. 12. Page 445)

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:39:46 AM



  • The prophet said “My intercession is for every such person who sincerely bore witness that ‘None is worthy of worship except Allah’ – while his heart confirmed what his tongue uttered.” [Bukhari, Muslim, Hakim & Baihaqi from Hadrat Abu Hurairah] By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/22/2013 9:36:59 AM



  • Ramesh Ji,

    Here are some more lines from the same Sufi:

    "In the story about the Eastern Romeo and Juliet, Laila and Majnun, someone said to Majnun, the young lover, 'Laila is not beautiful. What is she? Why do you love her so much?' And Majnun said humbly, 'In order to see Laila you must borrow Majnun's eyes.' The conception of God is different and distinct for every person and one cannot give one's conception of God to another."

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 3:26:47 AM



  • The perfect life is following one's own ideal, not in checking those of others; leave everyone to follow his own ideal.

     Bowl of Saki, May 22, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
     
    Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:

    Religion in the East is not made into a thing apart from one's life, as in the West where business, profession, and other things on the one side of life, and going to church one day in the week on the other side, together constitute religion, with a prayer before going to rest. But, strictly speaking, life is religion. When one has that ideal before one with whatever occupation one is concerned, business, industry, domestic life, or whatever it is, one carries it out, trying to be worthy of it, that is religion.

    In the Hindu language, the same word, Dharma, means both duty and religion. Both are expressed by one word. 'This is your Dharma' means: 'This is your faith.' How beautiful the thought is! Whatever kind of duty it is, so long as you have an ideal before you and are performing that duty, you are walking in the path of religion.

    We, with our narrowness of faith or belief, accuse others of belonging to another religion, another chapel or church. We say, 'This temple is better, that faith is better.' The whole world has kept on fighting and devastating itself just because it can not understand that each form of religion is peculiar to itself. Therefore, the ideal life is in following one's own ideal. It is not in checking other people's ideals. If a certain thing is one's ideal, that does not mean that another person will agree that it is best to offer prayers ten times a day. He may be doing better by following his religion in his shop than by going to a mosque and offering up a prayer twenty times a day. Perhaps somebody with that ideal cannot see that the other person's way is an ideal also. Leave everyone to follow his own ideal. ...

    We see now that it is all a matter of his ideal whether a man differs from his neighbor, whether he is heavenly or earthly, as high as the Devas, the heavenly beings, or as low as the demons. His ideal makes him as high as the one, or as low as the demons. The greatness of man lies in the greatness of his ideal.

       from  http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/VII/VII_29.htm

       ~~~ The perfect life is following one's own ideal, not in checking those of others; leave everyone to follow his own ideal.

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 3:21:12 AM



  • Dear Ramesh,
    Here are some lines by a Sufi saint, which you might find helpful:

    "Different religions have different conceptions of God. But not only religion, every man has his own conception of God. We cannot think of any being without making a conception in our mind of that being. For instance, if someone told us a fairy tale, the first thing we would do would be to make a conception of a fairy, what it looks like. If someone talks to us about an angel, we make a conception of it. It is a natural tendency to make a conception according to one's own experience, and, therefore, very near to one's own self. A human being does not think of an angel or a fairy as being like a bird or an animal, but as something like himself. If this is true, then it is not a fault when someone has his own idea of God. But it is a great fault on the part of those who want to take away that idea and wish to give that person another idea. It is not right. No one can give to another his own conception of God, because each one must make it real for himself. The prophets of all ages have given some ideal to help man to form a conception of God. It has been said, 'If you have no God, make one.' That is the right way and the easiest way of realizing the unlimited truth."

    We are fortunate that New Age Islam is serialising some excerpts from the discourses of the Sufi saint Hazrat Inayat Khan Saheb. You may find answers to many of your questions in his discourses. You may want to read the collection of his discourses which are available on http://wahiduddin.net/mv2/index.htm

     Love

    Ji

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 3:20:10 AM



  • Dear Ramesh,
    Please read the authentic Sufi sources to find out. Better still, if you are sincere in your search for Truth, then find a true spiritual Master....They say if one is ready, in the true sense, the Master appears

    By Ji - 5/22/2013 3:05:04 AM



  • Dear Ji,
     If you accept vedantic view of God that is all pervasive ,then there should not be any opposition in worshipping god in any name and form. But worshipping god in any  form totally prohibitted in Islam . Hence I repeat any muslim who accepts vedantic view trancends the limitation of Islam.
      Mr Ghulam ghauss is not responding to my comment. 
    By ramesh - 5/22/2013 1:33:46 AM



  • Rational says, "let us talk on intercession." -

    As if one can talk intelligently about intercession!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/22/2013 12:36:17 AM



  • you may decide it for yourself and need not to tell me back
    By rational - 5/21/2013 11:28:57 PM



  • May God perish their hands. By rational - 5/21/2013 11:25:50 PM



  • My dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:39:43 PM
    Idhar udhar ki mat haankiye.
    Why intercession at first place? If I believe in oneness of Allah and his messenger and do Aamal-e-Saliha what is the need of intercession of anybody. Does Allah lack in something?

    "So, you were talking about justice, where is justice now-a-days, when Wahabis are destructing The graves of Auliyas?"
    My response:
    Wahabis are Dusht, zalimoon and fasadis. May God perish their hands of the Wahabis.
    I will curse wahabis more than you. I have joined "Curse be upon Wahabis" club.
    I am saying justice that will be done by Allah in Roz-e-Hashr.  Ok let us talk on intercession.

    By rational - 5/21/2013 11:20:03 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus,
    Can you please guide me on whether some Sufi orders have the practice of observing silence, like a maun vrat? Also, are there still any ashram-like khanqahs or have most of them become dargahs? 
    Thanks, and with regards,
    yoginder
    By yoginder sikand - 5/21/2013 11:09:53 PM



  • Rational says, "The same book says if a man has iman equal to seed of rye he will enter the paradise. Some sinners will be pardoned just because some Wali will intercede for them." -

    Is this a conversation of adults or of 12 year-olds?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/21/2013 11:09:38 PM



  • So, you were talking about justice, where is justice now-a-days, when Wahabis are destructing The graves of Auliyas? By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:41:36 PM



  • Tit for tat. If you love any Wali, he will intercede for you. But if you spread terror in the land hate Auliyas  and demolish their graves how can they intercede for you? By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:39:43 PM



  • Dear Rational, i am not trying to tell you the Hindus are Muslims. I just want to say all are equal in human rights.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:35:29 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:02:10 PM
    The same book says if a man has iman equal to seed of rye he will enter the paradise. Some sinners will be pardoned just because some Wali will intercede for them.
    Intercede "shifarish" harms the justice.
    By rational - 5/21/2013 10:28:34 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss
    "Allah Almighty says “To those who do not believe the way you do, (o, prophet pbuh) tell them, “O disbelievers, I do not worship those whom you worship, Nor are you worshippers of Him Whom I worship, Nor am I a worshipper of those whom you have worshipped, Nor are you worshippers of Him Whom I worship. For you is your religion and for me is mine.”(1-6: 109). It was and is surely the most secular thought, the world had ever seen."

    I agree with you more than 100 % on these verses. But how much it was/is practiced?
    I have quoted few verses short back. You simply evaded the question and put a comment of no importance.
    Obstacle in the path of promotion of interfaith dialogue is present in the holy book. Please don't look it somewhere else. It provides the gola barood to detonate the very process of reform, peace and coordination among the different faiths.
    The example of a mother in my view doesn't carry much substance.
    The way you define " a Muslim" is not effective because people of other faiths simply don't like to be called Muslims.
    All know that in present scenario the believer in oneness of God and His messenger Hz Mohammed is a Muslim.

    In the light of verses I quoted in previous comments It is clear that one who is a believer in Hz Mohammed is a Muslim. Belief in the messenger is most important. How can you deny it?
    Please don't try to tell the Hindus are Muslims because you believe so. It creates resistance.
    Now you may call a wahabi because I am not ready to define the Muslim in other way.
    Take the people as they are. Some Muslims are trying hard to convince them they are Muslims. It has produced no result.
    My stand is the Quran and Ahadith are not helpful in promotion of interfaith dialogue. We have to change our thinking and minimize the role of religion in this process. You will keep trying and will never get the success if you rely on the religion. It must be our effort as a human being we all are equal. Keep the faith out side. Hindu is my big brother in India. christian is my big brother in where Christians are in majority. We will not follow the

    It is difficult to promote on the basis of the verses of the Quran.
    Then how can it be achieved? This has to be thought of ?
    I may be not very clear on it but on that line we can continue. you overly emphasize the religion.
    I may talk day and night of religion that doesn't mean I am a religious person.

    By rational - 5/21/2013 10:22:19 PM



  • Words of wisdom: “Knowledge without action is like a tree without fruit".

    "Knowledge rests upon action, action rests upon sincerity, and sincerity to Allah brings about understanding of Allah the Mighty and Majestic".

    "If Allah grants you knowledge, in return worship Him and do not make your goal merely narrating to the people" By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:12:14 PM



  • The Punishment for Not Acting Upon One's Knowledge

    “On the authority of Usamah ibn Zayd (ra) that he heard the Messenger of Allah (saw) sitting, "A man will be brought on the Day of Resurrection and thrown into the Fire. His intestines will be hanging out, spilling onto the ground, and he will go around like a donkey goes around a millstone. The inhabitants of the Fire will gather around him and say: "O so and so! What is your affair? Didn't you used to order us to do good deeds and forbid us from doing bad deeds?" He will reply, "Yes I used to order you to do good deeds, but I did not do them myself, and I used to forbid you from doing bad deeds, yet I used to do them myself". (al Bukhari, Engl. trans. vol.4, p.315, no. 489; Muslim and others)

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 10:02:10 PM



  • yahan sabhi rational hain. By sadaf - 5/21/2013 9:27:18 PM



  • Some inspiring words from the Sufi (his words, not mine!) again:
    "The religions in various forms have been methods by which the inspired souls taught man to know this truth, and to be benefited by this truth which is in the soul of man, But instead of being benefited by a religion in this way, man has accepted only the external part of the religion and has fought with others, saying, 'My religion is the only right one, your religion is false'."

    By ji - 5/21/2013 8:56:37 PM



  • Dear Editor
    It seems that one more "rational" is present here. I didn't post rational - 5/20/2013 to Mr/Ms/Mrs Sheetal.
    is there anyway to avoid this situation?
    ----

    That is why I always refer to you with your name which you have not abandoned yet: Mohd Yunus and add rational as your takhallus, also to avoid confusion with Muhammad Yunus Saheb. Why not you too call yourself Mohd Yunus Rational or Mohd Yunus (Rational).

    By Sultan Shahin - 5/21/2013 7:55:28 PM



  • Dear Ramesh Ji,
    A good day to you!
    As in every other community, there is considerable variation among Muslims in the way they understand their religion, including the concept of God....Since the reality of God is far beyond human comprehension, this isn't surprising. While some Muslims believe that God is totally transcendent, and some even take a very literal approach, others, including and especially many Sufis, see God in terms very similar to the way Vedantists understand 'Him'--and that does not make them any less Muslim or Islamic. You may download the translations of some inspiring Sufi texts from www.sufibooks.info to know more.
    Love and peace to you and to one and all 
    By Ji - 5/21/2013 5:30:51 PM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus,
    The words you perhaps inadvertently attributed to me were not mine but of the Sufi saint Hazrat Inayat Khan, some of whose discourses NAI is very kindly hosting on this site!
    Regards

    By Ji - 5/21/2013 5:25:23 PM



  • the moment we realize that our primary task in coming to this world is to transform/realize ourselves, rather than others, the world would be a much happier and peaceful place.....when people take it upon themselves to change others (through persuasion, force, abuse etc)--that's a sure recipe for conflict...bas apne aap ko sudharo, kaafi hai aur zindagi bhar ka project hai musalsil, maut tak chalta rahega! dusron ko badalane ka khyal chhod do By SCM - 5/21/2013 5:22:41 PM



  • one can wake up a sleeping person but not the one pretending to sleep. By sadaf - 5/21/2013 2:02:54 PM



  • but did ever say you are enemy of islam? I have always maintained that you pretend to be enemy of Islam and you practice taqiya on non Muslims and you are a wahabi fanatic, who has no reasons left with him to explain why wahabism has become a nemesis. Har baar sabit ho chuka hai, ki humse paar nahi lag paoge, par baabar ki aulaad ho, atempt par atempt lete jaoge. lage raho, naummidi karoge nahi kyonki kufr hai aur maante bhi ho. By sadaf - 5/21/2013 1:59:14 PM



  • Not just in religion, saala office ke kaam mein superiority dikha do phir dekho kaise kaam kisi se karwa paaoge ek ke baad doosri baar. religion ko saala zyada khatirdaari kar diya gaya hai. anguli pakdaya gaya to saala kaan ainthne lag gaya. religion humaare liye hai, hum religion ke liye nahi hain. By sadaf - 5/21/2013 1:39:53 PM



  • One can say My religion is the best in love to his religion but can not claim supremacy over others. Every mother makes her child the best due to her love, every native regards his country as the best of all. Similarly one can regard his own religion as the best but should never hurt any human's sentiments regardless of religion. Particularly Muslims must never hurt any of hearts but remember the following Hadith:
    "Jabir b. Abdullah said that Rasulullah saw said: "Allah is not merciful to him who is not merciful to people." (Bukhari, Muslim) 
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 12:10:01 PM



  • Dear Rational, The overall intention to lead inter-faith dialogue is to promote non-violence and peace. If we are unable to promote peace at least we can encourage non-violence. No one should lead supremacy as there is risk of violence. Every one should be stuck with his own religion as per his own belief. Particularly Muslims must remember the verse of the holy Quran "for you is your religion and for me is my religion". One can go ahead of others in his own belief but can not claim supremacy.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 11:58:44 AM



  • To understand the omnipresence of Allah one needs to have immense love of Allah within. To find God within means to feel God within with good intention and love. For example every Namazi during congregational prayer (Namaz) feels God as if he were looking at God, at the same time others are also looking at God. Those who reject the omnipresence of God, can they refuse this truth too? I think they can not do that thus they will have to assume Allah is omnipresent. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 11:46:49 AM



  • Dear Ramesh, God is omnipresent. Indeed one can find God within and outside. He can do that by feeling God within yet he can not really see God but try to feel as if he were seeing him. There are huge differences among Ulemas regarding the omnipresence of Allah. Some metaphorically mean "the throne of Allah" and some other literally believe the throne of Allah. Then what is the truth? Where does he actually live? This remained the controversial matter. Sufis looked the issue with the sight of love and thus it took them to the conclusion that God Almighty is everywhere.    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 11:33:30 AM



  • There is huge difference between a Mullah and a lover (Ashsique) in thinking. Sufias were not Mullas but the leaders of lovers (Asheqeen). A common man can not truly perceive God. He can simply try to remember Allah almighty and imagine him. He may rightly reach true concept of Allah or fail in his efforts. It was Sufis who devoted their whole life to the pleasure of Allah. A mullah may talk about this theory, that theory, man made theory and face different ideas and interpretations. According to himself, he will assume what he feels better. In short he will see every thing according to his will. A lover can never try to see any thing according to his will, but rather he will prefer every thing according to the will of his beloved one. Thus Sufis always tried to search for the dignity of Allah almighty in every walk of life and became nearer to Him almighty than anyone else. Consequently, Allah conferred so huge award upon Sufis we can not imagine. We only see that people from far and near come to visit their shrines and decorate them with flowers. Allah says in the Quran “So remember Me; I will remember you. And be grateful to Me and do not deny Me (2:152)

    Here one thing is to ponder over that Sufis remembered Allah only for their short life but in return Allah is still remembering and getting them remembered by billions of Muslims. It is the same reward that Allah Almighty promised in the above mentioned verse. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 11:14:30 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghauss
    "Surely the (true) religion with Allah is Islam
    , and those to whom the Book had been given did not show opposition but after knowledge had come to them, out of envy among themselves; and whoever disbelieves in the communications of Allah then surely Allah is quick in reckoning."
    "And whoever desires a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers.
    And whoever does not believe in Allah and His Messenger, then surely We have prepared burning fire for the unbelievers.

    In above verse who is "His Messanger".
    Are really contemporary jews and christian come under the category of blessed.
    What is the stand of your jamat on these clear verses?
    Are these surahs helpful is interfaith- dialogue? Is it not supremacy of Islam over other religions.
    By rational - 5/21/2013 10:06:34 AM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 9:04:19 AM
    Never. Keep trying. one day you may enlighten me. you must have hope because Maayusi kufr hai.

    Have nice time.
    By rational - 5/21/2013 9:54:06 AM



  • Dear Ghulam and Ji,
        You are quoting "seek god withing and go on to seek god outside".  As per islam god is not within and outside. He is somewhere in heaven where devout reach after death. Prophet himself did not have any experience of god within and outside.( a sage with experience of god within cannot go on for wars  like the prophet) Hence this is never mentioned in the quran. Concept of god within is Vedantic/hindu concept.
       If you accept this quote of you, you transcend islam and its limitation and become a hindu in thinking.

     Please clarify your position. 
    Ramesh
    By ramesh - 5/21/2013 9:47:21 AM



  • Rational quotes, "The Prophet said, “Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief.” -

    Muslims have used written words as a source of strength for Islam. Ex-Muslims are using written words to defame Islam. Both are wrong. Written words from 1000 or 2000 years ago will reflect attitudes of those times. If one tries to make them stick, not a single religion would exist today. Wise men take what is best from the scriptures. They put the best meaning on what they read. Both mullahs and apostates tend to be literalists, the former because of ignorance, the latter because of malevolence.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/21/2013 9:46:52 AM



  • Dear ramesh - 5/21/2013 9:30:36 AM.
    I would love if you write something on astronomy. I have no taste for astrology even if you add some Mirch Masala.. Science is my favorite subject beside many others.

    By rational - 5/21/2013 9:46:40 AM



  • Dear Rational ,
      As you are interested in astronomy,please start going through.  Knowledge of astronomy itself is not much useful to human life.  Hence astrolgy,which is nothing but applied astronomy. Astrology is also science,but cannot be proved by instruments. Nevertheless can be verified . It has its own limitations.
      Based on your explanation of superconductors in an another post, I understand that you are having science/engineering backround.
    Ramesh
     
    By ramesh - 5/21/2013 9:30:36 AM



  • Dear Rational, where have i prevented you from asking questions based on the Quran? I still welcome your questions hoping to get my brother in humanity enlightened. Thanks God Guidance is up to Allah and he is merciful. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 9:04:19 AM



  • Dear Rational, where have i prevented you from asking questions based on the Quran. I still welcome your questions hoping to get my brother in humanity enlightened. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 8:58:00 AM



  • Dear Ji I am evidently enamoured of your comment. “There is no end of faults in a human being. And the consciousness of correcting one's faults, of making oneself better, of taking hold of the right attitude, is the only secret of success

    If every one starts introspecting and reforming himself, the whole world will be reformed. You go to say “The attitude should first be to seek God within. And, after seeking God within, then to see God outside” If one does that there will be peace all around the world.

    Then you say “If a man can do anything to please God, it is only to please His creatures, to seek their pleasure”.

    Good conducts are awarded as the best in Islam. The prophet said “The best of you is the best among you in conduct.” Al-Bukhaari and Muslim.

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/21/2013 8:47:16 AM



  • Volume 1, Book 11, Number 662:Narrated Anas:The Prophet said, “Listen and obey (your chief) even if an Ethiopian whose head is like a raisin were made your chief.”

    "I heard the Apostle say: ‘Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal!' He was a black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks.... Allah sent down concerning him: ‘To those who annoy the Prophet there is a painful doom." [9] "Gabriel came to Muhammad and said, ‘If a black man comes to you his heart is more gross than a donkey's.'" ~Ishaq 243


    "The black troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.'" ~Ishaq 374


    By rational - 5/21/2013 8:18:53 AM



  • You must be a super Murakh. As an enemy of Islam I should encourage more people to listen to Nalayaq Zakir Naik. Let them decide to accept or reject his Islam. While I will remain away from him.

    By rational - 5/21/2013 8:10:51 AM



  • Dear ramesh - 5/21/2013 3:08:54 AM
    I have interest in astronomy not astrology.
    By rational - 5/21/2013 8:07:10 AM



  • Dear Rational,
     I refer to your comment in an another thread on Rahu- ketu and solar/lunar eclipses. I clarify as follows.
    1.Rahu and Ketu are nodal points in the solar system and true although not planets.
    2. Eclipse happens under certain conditions when rahu or ketu conjoin sun /moon in the same zodiac.
    3.Village folks might not use the sceintific term to explain the occurence of eclipse .
      I request you to study a liitle of astronomy and I believe that you will understand the truth.
     If you have further interest,you can study hindu astrology and verify the influence of planets in in our lives.
    Ramesh
    By ramesh - 5/21/2013 3:08:54 AM



  • Chupke se un (Abusive word deleted-Editor) Hinduoon ko jo Dr. Zakir Nayak ki tareef kar rahe they, yeh link chipka do. Phir dekho tamasha.
    http://national-express-malaysia.blogspot.in/2012/09/put-dr-zakir-naik-in-jail-or-to-stop.html
    Panvel : Devout Hindus filed complaint against Dr. Zakir Naik for insulting Shri Ganesh
    Mumbai| Nij Bhadrapad Shukla 10, Kaliyug Varsha 5114 | September 25, 2012 : The so-called Islamic thinker, Dr. Zakir Naik tried to hurt religious sentiments of Hindus by denigrating Shri Ganesh; that too, during the Ganesh Festival. He has given a challenge to Hindus, through the medium of ‘Facebook’ and ‘You-tube’, to prove that Shri Ganapati is a Deity. He also made an anti-Hindu statement that ‘If your God is unable to recognise his own son, how will he know that I am in danger’. By making such comments that too during Ganesh Festival, Dr. Naik has hurt religious sentiments of billions of Hindus. It has also created rage among members of Shiv Sena, BJP and various pro-Hindu organisations, Ganeshotsava Mandals and devout Hindus.
    A complaint has been lodged by office bearers of Shiv Sena, BJP, Ganesha Festival Mandals and Hindu Janajagruti Samiti (HJS) with various Police Stations all over the State demanding that ‘when Ganesha Festival is being celebrated in peaceful atmosphere, Dr. Zakir Naik is trying to disturb Hindu-Muslim harmony by giving such challenge; therefore, case should be immediately filed against him’.
    The above information was given by Mr. Ramsh Shinde, the national spokesperson of HJS in a press conference.
    Police should take immediate action ! – HJS
    HJS has issued a circular in this connection. ‘Respecting religious sentiments of Muslims in the background of anti-Islam film, the Maharashtra Chief Minister meets their delegation immediately and assures to stop denigration of Islam taking place through the film. Similarly, it has to be seen whether the CM shows guts to take strict action against Dr. Zakir Naik who has hurt religious sentiments of Hindus by denigrating Shri Ganesh or as usual, the CM is going to bow before Muslims. When Ganesh Mandals display scene of Chhatrapati Shivaraya, Police issue notices claiming that such scene hurts religious sentiments of Muslims. Now, it is our demand that these Police should show promptness in taking action against a fanatic Muslim when proof of his denigrating Shri Ganesh is produced. By sadaf - 5/21/2013 1:37:57 AM



  • Some more stirring words from the Sufi:
    "Man does not like to admit his wrong attitude to himself. He is afraid of his own faults. But the man who looks his own error in the eye, the man who criticizes himself, has no time to criticize others. It is that man who will prove to be wise. But human nature is generally such that one does something quite different. Everyone seems to be most interested in criticizing another. If one would criticize oneself there are endless faults, however saintly or wise one may be. There are no end of faults in a human being. And the consciousness of correcting one's faults, of making oneself better, of taking hold of the right attitude, is the only secret of success, and by it one attains to that goal which is the object of every soul.
    The attitude should first be to seek God within. And, after seeking God within, then to see God outside. In the story of Aladdin in the Thousand and One Nights we read that Aladdin went to look for a lantern. That lantern is the divine light within, and it is very difficult to find. Once a person has found that lantern, the next thing is to throw that light on the outer life, in order to find God both within and without. Prayer, night vigil, any form of worship, all these things are helpful. But if a man is not inclined to make peace with his brother, to harmonize with his fellow men, to seek to please those around him, then he has not performed his religious duties. For what can a man give to God who is perfect? His goodness? His goodness is very little. His prayers? How many times will he pray? The whole day he spends for himself. If he prays two or three times, it is not much. If a man can do anything to please God, it is only to please His creatures, to seek their pleasure. There cannot be a better prayer and a greater religion than being conscientious in regard to the feelings of other men, being ready to serve them, to please them in every way, to forgive them […] And if when doing wrong he would realize that he was doing wrong to God, and in doing right that he was doing right to God, then his attitude would be right." By Ji - 5/20/2013 9:46:57 PM



  • Some more pearls of wisdom from a Sufi saint:
    "There are four categories of personality. The first personality is likened to a date, the next is like a walnut, the third like a pomegranate, and the fourth like a grape.
    The date-like personality is soft outside and hard inside. As soon as one puts a date into one's mouth and feels the stone between the teeth one has a horror of it. And then there is another personality which is walnut-like. There is a hard shell, hard to penetrate, but when you know the person more it is like breaking the shell, and finding a nut which is soft. Thirdly there is a pomegranate personality. It is hard outside and hard inside. The pomegranate is hard, the skin is hard, the seed inside is hard too. Lastly there is the grape-like personality which is soft outside and soft inside. You will always find these four classes of persons.
    The one whose personality is soft outside and hard inside will at once attract people. But they will not stay with him. They will stay for some time, but then they leave him. Then they know him and turn away from him.
    The personality who is hard outside and soft inside is repellent at first, but in the end you will become his friend. That is why he does not make so many friends. You can only understand this man when you reach his inner being. And the personality who is hard outside and hard inside is isolated in the world. This is no place for him. Everyone will want to keep away from him, and then after some time he will find himself in difficulties. But the one whose personality is soft outside and soft inside will naturally be most magnetic. The grape is the most attractive fruit." By Ji - 5/20/2013 9:05:00 PM



  • Dear hats off.
    It is disheartening to know that you have decided to stop commenting. I don't know How Mr Mohammed Yunus is? Why he is absent?
    Although I didn't agree with Mr Naseer Ahmed, but I miss him for his endurance and knowledge. How liberal was he! Despite my rudeness he treated me well.
    Your unique style, mannerism, knowledge will remain in my memory.
    You may not read this comment if you have left the site, still I liked to put few words.

     Have best in your life.
    By rational - 5/20/2013 8:18:55 PM



  • Some beautiful thoughts to start your day, which I've taken from the discourse of a Sufi saint:
    "The person who is not definite about his object has not yet begun his journey on the path of life. One should therefore first determine one's object for oneself however small that object is. Once it is determined one has begun life. We find with many people that somehow they never happen to find their life's vocation. And what happens then is that in the end they consider their life a failure. All through their life they go from one thing to another, yet as they do not know their life's object they can accomplish so little. When people ask why they do not succeed, the answer is: because they have not yet found their object.

    "As soon as a person has found his life's object he begins to feel at home in this world, where before he had felt himself in a strange world. No sooner has a person found his way than he will prove to be fortunate, because all the things he wants to accomplish will come by themselves. Even if the whole world were against him, he will get such a power that he can hold on to his object against anything. He will get such a patience that when he is on the way to his object no misfortune will discourage him.

    "There is no doubt that as long as he has not found it he will go from one thing to another, and again to another; and he will think that life is against him. Then he will begin to find fault with individuals, conditions, plans, the climate, with everything. Thus what is called fortunate or successful is really having the right object. When a person is wearing clothes which were not made for him, he says they are too wide or too short, but when they are his clothes he feels comfortable in them. Everyone should therefore be given freedom to choose his object in life. And if he finds his object one knows that he is on the right path."

    By Ji - 5/20/2013 7:11:07 PM



  • "We are also well acquainted with the incident when a delegation of a different faith came to the prophet’s mosque in Madina. Before meeting the prophet pbuh they wished to offer their own prayers in that mosque while the Muslim prayer time was running out. The prophet said that they should pray first and Muslim prayers could wait. Similarly on other occasion the prophet showed respect to the funeral procession of a non-Muslim and rose on his feet telling his companions (sahabas) that in matters of etiquette faith does not make a difference."

    This is quoted to gloss the Islam. There are many verses and Ahadith that are contrary to this teaching from the same recorders.
    By rational - 5/20/2013 6:50:41 PM



  • Saari khudaai ek taraf, aur apni lugai ek taraf. By sadaf - 5/20/2013 4:48:23 AM
    yeh thheek kaha tumne. purani kahawat "Sari khudai ek taraf zoru ka bhai ek taraf" se yeh achhi hai. aur bhai ho kyon na aakhir. doosron ki ( abusive word deleted-Editor) to pitenge ki nahi. By rational - 5/20/2013 6:24:00 PM



  • Dear Editor
    It seems that one more "rational" is present here. I didn't post rational - 5/20/2013 to Mr/Ms/Mrs Sheetal.
    is there anyway to avoid this situation?
    By rational - 5/20/2013 6:13:29 PM



  • Nalayaq sadaf  , In our office I found few Hindu friends in tea break were praising one more Nalayaq Zakir Naik(pbuh). They were saying what a knowledge and logic he has. By rational - 5/20/2013 6:10:11 PM



  • Abey sadaf yeh baat to main bhi kah sakta hoon. kyon mujh se sate jaa rahe ho.

    By rational - 5/20/2013 5:59:17 PM



  • Dear GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 10:01:44 AM & Shazim Noori
    I don't believe in the Quran but how does it prove that we must not ask Muslims questions based on the Quran? If I ask from Hadith you will say those Ahadith are fabricated.
    When Muslims claim that it is word of God, it is a miracle, it contains all scientific miracles etc, they should be asked for proof.
    If somebody Question the constitution of India it must be answered from the  constitution of India not from the Constitution of America whether he believes/follows it or not.

    When someone claim that Quran supports Geo-centric cosmology he must be asked the proof from the Quran not from the Ved/Upnishad/Gita/Bible.
    If a christian claim something he must be asked to prove it from the bible not from the Quran.
    Muslims believe the Bible is corrupted still they quote from it if it suits to them. THIS IS THE DOUBLE STANDARD.
     MUSLIMS ARE NOT FREE FROM DOUBLE STANDARD.
    It seems you lack Mr Ghauss in common sense.

    Similarly whether we believe in hell/heaven or not, it can't prevent us from asking the Question.
    Instead of answering the real question you are evading by asking the stupid question.

    Dear Ghulam Ghuss your answers and articles carry no fresh ideas. These answers can't satisfy those who want contemporary answers.

    Where is your article about ego-centric cosmology? I have asked right questions no matter if I believe in Quran or not. If it is good answers I will accept it.
    One can find useful things even from dustbin and heap of rubbish as some unfortunate people do to earn their bread.
    So bring what is scientific in the Quran. After analyzing it if sound will be accepted.
    Shazim Noori Saheb who asked you to reply. If you don't understand stay aside. Let the others speak if they want to.
    Shazim Noori Saheb who asked you to reply. Speak independently.  Don't be a lackey. If you don't understand stay aside. Listen to others. Let the others speak if they want to.

    Dear Ghulam Ghauss I reached to bootom of your scientific knowledge which is a blind reverence to Aala Hz.
    By rational - 5/20/2013 5:55:30 PM



  • Dear Sheetal sahiba Many wonder how we could develop tolerance and peace when there were so many differences among religions in matters of faith. This was the concern already resolved in the life of the prophet pbuh.

    Allah Almighty says “To those who do not believe the way you do, (o, prophet pbuh) tell them, “O disbelievers, I do not worship those whom you worship, Nor are you worshippers of Him Whom I worship, Nor am I a worshipper of those whom you have worshipped, Nor are you worshippers of Him Whom I worship. For you is your religion and for me is mine.”(1-6: 109). It was and is surely the most secular thought, the world had ever seen.

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 10:17:25 AM



  • Ghaus sahib, this is a very good solution to Rational's problem. why does Kafir believe in the verse regarding the hell, and at the same time he rejects the rest of the verses of the Quran?  By Shazim Noori - 5/20/2013 10:11:51 AM



  • Again a question from me, when a Kafir or a Mushrik does not believe the holy Quran and Allah almighty, why are they afraid of the Hell? By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 10:05:34 AM



  • Dear Shazim I agree with you. Actually, Rational bhai asked whether Kaafir or Mushrekeen will go to the Hell or not. There is no denying the fact those who disobey Allah will be sent to the Hell. It is the judgment written by Allah. Many a times the holy Quran says "for them there is a great punishment".ولهم عذا ب أليم 
    Allah knows the best as to who is Kafir or Mushrik.
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 10:01:44 AM



  • Rational sahib, one the one hand you do not believe in the holy Quran and on the other hand you ask proof from the Quran, why this double standard? in this case who is there to give you your answer. it will be merely wastage of time to talk to you.  By Shazim Noori - 5/20/2013 9:50:06 AM



  • Rational says, "You are nobody to ask us what to do. We need not to share with you. You think whatever you like. We will be punished for our wrongs. Think about yourself." -

    Translation: "Don't confront me. Let me carry on my destructive activity as long as the editor does not throw me out"!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/20/2013 9:17:41 AM



  • Rational says, "We are out of phase. At least be true to your word "ignore them"." -

    Yes, because I am not on a destructive mission. And you are.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/20/2013 9:12:12 AM



  • Haan sadaf!
    Nice picture of animals, hai na?
    There is much truth in your statement: " it is actually the influence of atheism which has made people irreligious and thus tending to fight."

    By yoginder sikand - 5/20/2013 9:07:42 AM



  • Abey yeh sab kya hai....Bandar, sher, zebra, haanthi, giraffe, yeh sab kahan se aa gaya...A picture is said to be able to replace a 1000 words. However those addicted to words, they like words only. Anyways.

    On a serious note, it is actually the influence of atheism which has made people irreligious and thus tending to fight. People may call themselves to be belonging to so and so religion, but basically they are being irreligious when they fight. And if someone point out that am I not fighting over here and thus being irreligious, then here you have an answer. No, this is not the fight that I am referring to, where neither I can touch someone, nor I can be touched by anyone. It is all maansik dwandh.

    The Talibans have gone irreligious. The Saudis have gone irreligious. The Jansanghis have gone irreligious. The LTTE have gone irreligious. The KKKs have gone irreligious and there are 'N' number of groups who have gone irreligious.

    And in real sense, several of the self proclaimed 'atheists' are very religiously atheist. They live like ascetics. They do all kind of Samaj Sewa. They contribute to the society in peaceful manner. And when they do all these things, who damn care what do they believe will happen to them after their death, or what do they think about who created the world and who sustains it and what was there when there was nothing and what would be there when there would be nothing. 
    By sadaf - 5/20/2013 8:43:39 AM



  • If animals can be happy and loving, why can’t we? Have you ever seen birds fighting over caste, religion, class and nation? 

    By yoginder sikand - 5/20/2013 8:08:59 AM



  • Sheetal Ji
    Do type in 'vegetarian Islam' in google to locate several pro-vegetarian Muslim websites and articles. I personally think vegetarianism is the best option.....and am a vegetarian myself.
    By SCM - 5/20/2013 7:58:49 AM



  • Dear Sister Sheetal, Our Sadaf brother has already given you the answer. It is neither obligatory (Farz) nor is it necessary (wajib) to eat meat to become a Muslim. There are many Muslims who do not like to eat meat and i have seen many of my friends who have never eaten any single peace of meat. Also there are many Hindu brothers, i have seen eat meat. Eating meat is not a principle of Islam, but depends upon human's will.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 7:06:37 AM



  • Dear Sheetal, Prior to preaching Islam to non-believers, the preacher must be well aware of the essential knowledge of Islam. He must have deep insight into good and evil. It is essential to the preacher to be practical Muslim because theoretical Muslim will be less effective and sometimes may be harmful under some circumstances.

    After practical presentation of Islam, the preacher must have peaceful method of preaching, as our holy prophet did. The preacher should not use any kind of force to make non-believers convert to Islam. If the preacher forces, he will be punished on the Day of Judgment. Only once he can very softly call his non-Muslim brothers and sisters to Islam. If non-Muslim brother or sister refuses to convert to Islam, the preacher should stop preaching without troubling him or her.

    Preaching can be done to non-Muslim brother, but force can not be laid. Hence the preacher should remember that every one is lonely accountable to God. Guidance is up to the will of Allah almighty. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 7:00:35 AM



  • Insight into life is the real religion, which alone can help men to understand life.
                            Bowl of Saki, May 20, by Hazrat Inayat Khan
    Commentary by Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan:
    Say to yourself, 'My ideal, my religion, my desire is to please my Lord before whom I bow my head. So when I am before anyone, I am before my Lord, my God. I must take care always to be considerate and thoughtful, lest I hurt my God.' That is the real religion. If you take care not to hurt a loved one, a friend, but do not mind hurting a servant, or wicked or foolish person, that will not be real religion. Love will recognize the ideal of love, the divine ideal, in every heart, and will refrain from using words which will make others unhappy; words expressing pride, thoughtless words, sarcastic words, any word which will disturb a person's peace of mind, or hurt his sensibilities.
    Good deeds, kindness, forgiveness, tolerance, acts of love, none of these are ever lost, and some day they will return to us. Even if the recipient appears ungrateful or heedless, it is all the same. There is no need to be disappointed even if he proves to be unworthy of our kindness and our love. When we realize that all life is one life, we discover that it is to that life that we give our love and kindness and mercy. Then it is bound to return to us, if not today, perhaps next week. If not next week, perhaps next year. If not here, then somewhere where we never expected it could possibly come. 'Thou shalt find it after many days.'
    Though there may still be time to awaken to a true understanding of these things, it is often too late by the time that sufferings, troubles, and misery have come to the individual or to the multitude. If someone has so far failed to understand them before they actually came, perhaps he will never understand. When there is some little pain or he feels bad in himself, he may think he has some illness. But if he does not think about it, if he takes no notice of it, something worse may come. And so it has been with the world. The worst evil that has ever been should show man that it is now time to awaken and understand that it is not a study of national or social problems, not a study of religious questions that will bring an everlasting peace; but it is the insight into life which is the real religion and which alone can help man to understand life.
       Insight into life is the real religion, which alone can help men to understand life.
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    By Ji - 5/20/2013 5:59:11 AM



  • Abey mera style repulsive hai to abhi tak tum repulse hua kyoon nahi? Abhi bhi sat raha hai mere se. Aur rahi baat unproductive criticism ki, to dekh liya na tera unproductive criticism kitna productive repulsive style create kar diya hai. 

    Ab bolega ispar ki nahi...yeh pahle se tha, chupa hua tha ab zahir ho raha hai,, to bachchu tera bhi soft corner for Islam kul ke bahar jhalak raha hai. Bas jo style choose kiya tha, usi ka mirror mein aks dekh raha hai.
    By sadaf - 5/20/2013 5:32:47 AM



  • Yes, broadly speaking every religion preaches peace. So it is entirely up to you to choose whatever religion suits you. However those who choose Islam over the other would obviously extol about the virtues of Islam. There are some fine differences if you observe minutely between each religion.

    But before looking at religion the way it is given in Manorma Year Book, that adherents of so and so religion are so and many numbers, I would like to suggest you to see religion as a way of life where you believe in living and letting others live. And not just letting them live, but ensure that they have all the means to live with dignity and peace and then you give this way of life any name, new one or the established ones.

    The established ones are basically 'religious orders' and not religion in the true sense of meaning. I mean when you say, you have joined Islam or Hindusim, you will be offered a complete package that comes with it. Mostly the package is a liability more than the assets. It is like joining a particular pack of dogs. The other pack will hound you if you meddle with them. However the plus thing to be in any established religious order is that you will get many new friends who will be helping you just because you now 'belong to them'. They will come to you not on just festivals, but also in crisis moments like death in family and super crisis moment when you have to seek a bride for yourself. Generally people do not marry an outlaw or out caste and very pretty girls whom you may want to marry may refuse of this flimsy reason. 
    By sadaf - 5/20/2013 5:14:09 AM



  • Dear Mr. Sheetal, please excuse me for replying instead of Mr. Ghaus, but your question is one of the most asked question so let me settle this for you and not bother him. 

    The best way of preaching Islam to non-believers is not the way of Dr. Zakir Nayak. Please beware of him. Quran says that with beautiful arguments the message should be passed on. The emphasis is on beautiful. Not the ugly kind and showing non-believers in bad light, the way Dr. Zakir Nayak does. 
    By sadaf - 5/20/2013 4:59:07 AM



  • ab to ap ko interfaith dialogue se bahar aanaa padega mr ghulam ghaus. sawal hi kuch aisa hai Mrs sheetal ka.   By rational - 5/20/2013 4:56:20 AM



  • Dear Mr. Sheetal, it is not at all required to be non-vegetarian to be Muslim. By sadaf - 5/20/2013 4:52:14 AM



  • dear ghulam ghaus you say that every religion encourages peace, but if ask you to choose a religion for me, you would prefer but tell me which one?and why?  By sheetal - 5/20/2013 4:48:27 AM



  • Abey aise ro raha hai jaise akela yehi spiritual journney kar ke bach ke lauta hai. Pahla Paragaraph to mera hi chura ke bech raha hai yeh.

    Doosra paragraph, that all Muslims will go to heaven, iske jahil background ka residual material hai. Kaheen nahi likha hai ki sab jannat jaayenge. But yeh maane hue hai ki sab jayenge aur tilmila raha hai ki aisa ho nahi sakta hai. Log ke believe karne se kya. Har koi ummid baandh ke hai. yehi ummid par dunia qayam hai unki.

    About belief and action cocktail, the anwsers which should have been sufficient isko kam pad gaya. Ab sab se answer maange chal raha hai.

    Iske dimaagh ki salahiyat isi se pata chal rahi hai ki chilla jaane se pahle yeh sab baat nahi samjh mein aaya. Jab ragdai hui to dimaag ki batti jali. Chaar mahina waste kar diya aur bol raha hai time waste nahi kiya. 

    Iska problem yeh hai ki yeh Quran ko edit karna chahta hai. Kar bhai kar. Quran koi apni property to hai nahi. Jis jis ko lagega ki uski bhi shared property hai usse NOC le liyo. 

    And yes, kah raha hai yeh, religion is not paak saaf, jaise khud miyanji doodh ke dhule hain.

    Bada aya people ke fate ka khair khawah banke. Apne dil ki tasaali ke liye yeh sab khair khawahi hai. Yeh na bol. People like you strangulate others to make them believe what you believe. Wahabi tendency isi ka naam hai, aur baat kar raha hai ki how ideologies strangulate him.

    About majoritorianism, iski daleel wohi hai jo meri daleel hai. Nehruji bhi yehi kaha karte the. But chupke se, yeh bhi chipka raha hai yeh ki bas jo kuchh hain humhi hain sahi. Saari khudaai ek taraf, aur apni lugai ek taraf.
    By sadaf - 5/20/2013 4:48:23 AM



  • one more question, if anyone wants to convert to Islam, will he have to eat meat? can he not be a muslim without eating meat? do please give me reply.  By sheetal - 5/20/2013 4:44:40 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus, what is the best way of preaching Islam to non-believers? By sheetal - 5/20/2013 4:39:03 AM



  • Dear Sultan saheb. addendum:
    Islam have to prove it is not a political, fascist ideology but a rahmat(blessing). It can be answered by honest study of the history and present of Islam. Let the people judge it. We are deafening people by shouting "Islam means peace".
    In my childhood I read Naqqara-e-khalq  Naqqara-e-khuda. Let the people speak "Islam means peace". Muslims must stop repeating this boring dialogue.
    I asked repeatedly what is the stand of Barailvis in the case of Blasphemy and apostasy.
    I believe in your words that you don't think brailvis are spotless. By rational - 5/20/2013 4:38:42 AM



  • Still many people are forced to wear suffocating suit.
    By rational - 5/20/2013 4:25:06 AM



  • Dear GM. You are nobody to ask us what to do. We need not to share with you. You think whatever you like. We will be punished for our wrongs. Think about yourself.
    The day Editor will say leave I will leave. To stay here or not will be ours or Editor's decision.
    By rational - 5/20/2013 4:20:21 AM



  • Dear GM. We are out of phase. At least be true to your word "ignore them".
    By rational - 5/20/2013 4:10:27 AM



  • Dear Sultan Shahin Saheb. I agree with you on most of the points you put in this or previous comments.
    Recently Mr JI pasted a portion of Sufi Hz Inayat. I mistakenly read God is an idea in place of God is idea. Although it was a mistake on my part but inspired me to think anew. It goes as follows.
    I will not take God as it is described in most of the religious books even in some Sufi books.
    I accept it as an idea of ideal. For example in science there is an ideal conductor of electricity. It must have zero resistance to electric current. But does an ideal exist in reality? Certainly not. But we have it in mind to compare other materials. There are real conductors. All these real conductor have resistance  less or more. Those are near to ideal are called super conductors and some with high are called good conductors. There are insulators those who have very high resistance.
    Similarly there are many ideal in all walks of life to compare even in abstract sense. Bravery, honesty and character etc.
    So I chose this definition of God. Let the others believe theirs definition.
    Then where is the my problem with believers. It is we are told that people will be judged based on their beliefs. Muslims will  enter into paradise even if they are criminals after receiving their punishments. While non-believers having good character will be thrown into hell and will live there forever.
    When I asked this question Mr Mohammed Yunus advised me to read his article. He quoted a verse in which Allah says that believing jews Christians and sabai will be blessed. I raised question again quoting contrary verses from the Quran, then my conversation with him ended.
    Now the question is alive. I request  all stalwarts of Islam here who are certainly knowlegable than me to answer taking all verses of the Quran on who will be blessed and for what. Will it be beliefs or beliefs+actions or actions only. I have put much stress on this matter but didn't get satisfactory answer. It must not be a personal opinion it must be based on the Quran minus Ahadith.
    Now Wahabi Issue:
    I know many Muslims after spending time in jamat changed their way of life. They left many bad things. Some totally changed in positive.
    While I admire its effectiveness but I keep myself now away from them. I don't come outside to meet them.
    They mostly push people backward in almost ll walks of life. They talk in unreal domain ignoring all visible and convincing reasons. They say that if you do one chilla(40 days) in jamat your all problems under the sky will be solved. If you want to pass the examination, you can if you spend sometime in jamat. As a scientific person It is repulsive to me although I have spent three or four months in jamat. I didn't waste time there and learned a lot. That is how I write almost on everything on the Islam.
    So my romance with Jamat ended. It may be useful to cultivate some good habits but the price paid is not worth. There are many good people without Jamat.
    On spirituality you can read books from Devbandi school. On that level you will find all spiritual material. Does they teach that you must speak lies or you should steal or you should commit sins kabira or Sagira(major and minor). They also take the names of Sufis, mention their names and writings.
    I spent sometime with Barelvis. I didn't find some attractive that can appeal to my mind. In the name of Sufis I experienced how people are exploited.
    I am not against any particular Sufi or saint. I read many repulsive statements of prominent Sufias. These can be read in Dr Shabbir's book. These statements are bereft of knowledge, cryptic and against the reason. Again to accept Barailvi school is akin to fall in another pit.
    I admire Islam for certain things, and Hinduism, Christianity and Buddhism for other things. All are irrational having some tit bits of good. Clinging to either is to pay heavy price. 
    I take this divide as political and commercial. Both schools run their shops and use different tactics.
    You correctly notice I criticize the Quran. I find faults with it. You have rights to believe it is a clear guide book, a miracle I am not convinced. It is the root of Islam. Ahadith sometime is criticized by many Muslims but Quran is not. This criticism may bring some brainstorming. Some more understanding if not for me for others.
    In this comment you gave some analogies which are quite reasonable.
    I am also against orthodoxy, misogyny and many more evils that are done in religions. Religions are not paak saaf. These share a big portion of these evils.
    A troll I may be as one star commentator call me but it is not easy to ignore my observations, questions though in frustration anybody can call me names.
    Thanks for being so kind and positive you saw in me and negative you pointed out.
    I have condemned your targeted ideology  in most strong words. If I like freedom of thought I can't stand by any ideology which is strangulating or suffocating.
    People's fate in hereafter is at risk if their guidance depends upon a book which can be interpreted in so many ways and none is sure of  true guidance.
    One argument of yours you gave in one previous comment that billions of Muslims believe in the Quran I am afraid to say it has no weight. This argument is used to justify some belief, some superstition or some action. I t must be right if so many people believe in it.
    Let me say that Geo-centric cosmology was the belief of almost all people in ancient time. We have one friend who is very sure because his peer says so. Interesting he belongs to Sufism.
    Hindus believed that lunar and solar eclipses occur because Rahu and ketu swallow these bodies. People believed that small pox was because Shjeetla mata was angry.
    So my respected Sultan saheb majority is not the criteria of truth. One person can be true.
    I seek apology for taking your precious time. By rational - 5/20/2013 4:04:44 AM



  • Here are some more pearls of wisdom from a Sufi saint:
    'A person may follow a religion and yet not come to the realization of truth. But of what use is his religion to him if he is not happy? Religion does not mean depression and sadness. The spirit of religion should give happiness. God is happy. He is the perfection of love, harmony, and beauty. A religious person should be happier than one who is not religious. If a person who professes religion is always melancholy his religion is disgraced. The form has been kept, but the spirit lost. If the study of religion and mysticism does not lead to real joy and happiness, it may just as well not exist, for then it does not help to fulfill the purpose of life. The world today is sad and suffering as the result of terrible wars. The religion which answers the demand of life today is one which invigorates and gives life to souls, which illuminates the heart of man with the divine light which is already there. Not necessarily by any outer form, though for some a form may be helpful, but by showing that happiness which is the desire of every soul.' By Ji - 5/20/2013 3:08:29 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghuas Bhai
    Thanks for that beautiful quote...Do keep posting more like that.....it is very inspiring
    love
    yoginder
    By yoginder sikand - 5/20/2013 3:06:57 AM



  • A great Sufi saint Jalal ad-Din Rumi (ra) deeply says “Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”

    It is the best remedy for turning hate into love, bad fruit into good one. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 2:53:49 AM



  • I second you Mr Ji, “an erroneous interpretation of any religion or an irreligious ideology is bound to produce bad fruit.” The root cause of every conflict in Islam is only the erroneous interpretation. Richard Barrar’s quote is immensely fit here. “The evidence will show this case is about misinterpretation, misinformation and misdiagnosis from day one”. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/20/2013 2:38:30 AM



  • Bete sadaf - 5/19/2013 7:01:10 AM
    At least this naacheeze can be Murari. He has the guts to be hero.Or at least had tried. That is important. He may be hero may not be. There are many variable in the equation of success. Some unknown X factor may stop him from becoming a hero. But i admire he stepped on that way.
    Most of the time you are worst judge of others intentions. Though you may boast of anything.

    Your style is repulsive. If my criticism in your view can't produce positive result, your style falls under the same category in my view ie "unproductive".

    My criticism in my view is not fruitless. It is not necessary you accept it. If I have one who took it useful it is enough than no try.

    By rational - 5/20/2013 1:42:20 AM



  • chala muraari hero ban ke. By sadaf - 5/19/2013 7:01:10 AM



  • the issue here is not whether a religion allows killing of relations.

    the problem arises when the senior husband sees it fit to pawn the wife he holds in common with his brothers in a gambling challange.

    anything that happens afterwards is simple engranagement.

    how come krishna never bothers about such an egregious error? he does not refer to incident. he encourages the warrior to undertake the war and obviously everyone is fine with it because the dishonoring of a woman by disrobement is eminently punishable.

    but this just totally ignores a very stupid mistake of taking part in gambling tournamnet AND pawning your common wife.

    this is what needs to reckoned with while dealing with what a godly incarnate tells his human cousin on a warfield.

    with that i will stop. so if there are pests here, some pesticide is in order and what better pesticide than the simple expedient of voluntary withdrawl.

    from now on you guys have my word that i will stop so called commenting here. i ask apology from each and everyone. for i am aware that i have manged to step on most of the toes that tread here.

    if i miss you guys, (mr rational, mr muhammad yunus, mr naseer ahmed and mr sadaf), i am happy in the knowledge that you are just a mouse click away.

    sorry again guys, please carry on in peace without my hinderance. i wish you all the best.

    mr rational it was wondeful thing knowing you and reading you. all the best. may you live long healthy life. to a doubter peace is not granted. but within that whatever peace is there i wish for you.
    By hats off! - 5/19/2013 6:11:22 AM



  • A tree is judged by the fruit it produces....an erroneous interpretation of any religion or an irreligious ideology is bound to produce bad fruit.... By Ji - 5/19/2013 2:52:37 AM



  • To Mrs Sheetal, You have exactly pointed out the main cause of every problem revolving around a Muslim. Muslims do not act upon what Islam teaches them. In Islam, Knowledge and action are intrinsically tied together.  True knowledge is based on any action to be correct. At the same time, knowledge that is not put into practice is of no benefit, regardless of how correct that knowledge might be. This is why the best among people are those whom Allah guides to successfully bring together knowledge and action in their lives. The dilemma is that we have lots of knowledge but lack of practices upon By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/19/2013 12:59:31 AM



  • Dear Sheetal, I think Hindu scriptures do not allow killing innocent relatives. Paradoxically, If any Hindu kills innocent lives, they are far away from their religious identifications. Similarly, if any extremist Wahabi kills innocent lives, he is farther than Islamic teachings By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/19/2013 12:53:14 AM



  • why muslims do not act upon what Islam teaches; peace and love. instead they are killing their own brothers. By sheetal - 5/19/2013 12:42:18 AM



  • Does Hindu scriptures allow killing relatives as it appears? By sheetal - 5/19/2013 12:39:02 AM



  • I second Mr Ghulam Ghaus's view "There are several verses in the Bhagvad Gita where Lord Krishna instructs Arjun to fight the enemies even though they were his relatives. Fight for Dharma is thus promoted and such fight is what is termed in the Qur'an as Jihad, but today it is totally misunderstood or misinterpreted. The fundamental values do not vary in religions. Those who believe in God cannot desire injustice as the Creator orders them to be kind to others". By Shazim Noori - 5/19/2013 12:33:25 AM



  • Dear SCM - 5/17/2013 7:13:22 PM.
    I don't want to be deaf and dumb when a matter of religion comes into picture. There are many actions which I learned from religion and are practice in life. I learned from religions. I could learn from secular sources. I don't believe the values religions teach came from some God/gods. These were/are the necessities of the societies.

    We are paying heavy price for some goodies religions taught us. If you want cling to it it is your right to do so.
    I have considerably reduced my time on this site. Lets us see what the praise of religion brings? By rational - 5/17/2013 9:05:49 PM



  • Bhai Rational,
    I agree with some things you say, and disagree with others. As a well-wisher who has gone through perhaps a similar phase of opposition to religion (and then changed) I can feel some of your anguish. But I want to share with you the realization that I had after being in that phase for a while: that I was becoming a very critical person myself, seeing everything negatively, seeing nothing good in anyone or anything, and, finally, losing complete interest in life. I realized that by abusing religion day in and day out I was only making myself an abusive person, unable to see any good anywhere. I was only adding to the massive amount of negativity in the world and was not doing anything positive. I was becoming a burden on the world!
    Do you really want to spend your whole life posting negative and critical comments on this website? Is that what the purpose of your life is? Every moment wasted in negativity will add to your burden of gunahs or unwholesome karmas or whatever you want to call it. Is this how you want to waste your life?
    My dear, do ponder on what you are doing.....
    I agree there is much horror in the name of religion, but why remain blind to the much good that abounds around us--yes, even in religious people, even among Muslims as well as people of other faiths.....And then, people never change if you constantly mock or criticize them. If you genuinely want them to change, you must be the change yourself. Embody goodness and love within you and you will definitely find that the most hard-hearted person will melt.
    Khush raho

    By SCM - 5/17/2013 7:13:22 PM



  • Inter-sect or interfaith dialogue is a drama played by some Muslims who just want a cover-up. period.
    One can see the supremacy in the holders of this dialogue. It is bound to failure. It can work somewhere else not with Muslims. Even debate between two stalwarts of Islam turned into Wahabi vs Barailvi.
    Both sects are off-shoots of the same tree.

    By rational - 5/17/2013 6:26:14 PM



  • I have found, from my own experience, that even people whose beliefs are totally opposite to mine can be approached and gradually won over--not through arguing against their beliefs but simply by being sincerely friendly with them...best of all by  NOT talking religion or about their beliefs but just by being a good friend....if you see the lives of all the saints and sages and other great spiritual personages, you would realize that probably their character, rather than just what they verbally taught, was what attracted people to them...some of them didn't speak a word or spoke very little at all, but just by their presence and character they won over eve very hard-hearted people.....i think people who are trying to promote inter-faith dialogue or to combat radicalism in the name of religion can learn some very good lessons from the example of such figures...and realize that verbal preaching will get them nowhere...it is important to embody what one preaches and also to relate to others, whose views are different from one's own, with sincere friendship....establish close personal friendship with them, not just a fleeting acquaintanship By Ghulam Kabir - 5/17/2013 5:31:12 PM



  • Dear Shazim, the problem is that i can not use sword even to spread peace-message as our Islam does not allow us to do so. I know Peace can be spread by peace. I would rather die than use extremism to spread my religion. 
    How nice it would be if you propound your idea to resolve the problem of reforming Wahabi extremism.
    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/17/2013 10:02:02 AM



  • dear ghulam ghaus, do continue to preach, one day not only two wahabis but many will come to accept your message. Truth is ever green and also remember that failure is the first pillar of success. By Shazim Noori - 5/17/2013 9:44:24 AM



  • Dear Ji, i am male. I accept your views but the rapidly growing extremism is faster than your Peace-message. Am i right?   By Shazim Noori - 5/17/2013 9:38:08 AM



  • Dear Shazim, our fellow Mr Ji precisely informs you of how interfaith dialogue turned two Wahabi extremist maulvis into the supporters of communal harmony. Additionally, let you and me propound the idea so that Wahabis become like the two Maulvis.   By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/17/2013 9:34:11 AM



  • Shazim Saheb/Saheba {sorry, this is the first time I am hearing this name and can't gauge the gender!),
    God guides whom He wills, and so it isn't proper to think that Wahhabis or anyone else for that matter are wholly incorrigible.
    As a matter of fact, I know two maulvis who had studied in Wahhabi (so-called "Ahl-e Hadith") madrasas who later underwent a major transformation in their thinking and became enthusiastic supporters of inter-communal harmony. 
    For proponents of inter-faith harmony it isn't enough just to preach the virtues of harmonious living.....one has to reach out to those opposed to this agenda not only with arguments but, much more importantly, with love and compassion, which can work wonders in transforming hearts.
    By Ji - 5/17/2013 9:12:08 AM



  • Dear Ghaus, neither interfaith nor intra-Islam  dialogue seems to affect Wahhabis. By Shazim Noori - 5/17/2013 9:06:51 AM



  • Dear Ghaus, neither interfaith nor intra-Islam seems to affect Wahabis. By Shazim Noori - 5/17/2013 9:05:47 AM



  • “If someone slaps you on the cheek, offer the other one as well. If someone takes your coat, don’t withhold your shirt either”. (Luke 6:29,Bible)

    Dear Ji sahib, let me remind our Christian brothers that they too, can root out hatred by love.

    Our prophets Muhammad pbuh and Christ pbuh (Isa) turned hatred into love. Let us the follow them By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/17/2013 5:25:32 AM



  • are you admitting that you are restraining your evil self when you are kind to janasanghees and kafirs? :)

    All I am saying is, when you start feeling pious that you are kind to the said people, it implies that they are undeserving of kindness from Muslims, and yet you are doing it. When you do kindness, it should not matter whether man, bird or beast, or even plant is in front of you. So I suggest you make further improvements in your path to self development by training yourself to not do an automatic cubbyholing of the receiver of your benevolence.
    By secular logic - 5/17/2013 4:48:40 AM



  • Kindness may be involuntary to some, but for those who are not born kind can still catch up. Ashok was the killer of 100 brothers and people at his back referred him as 'chandal', yet he renounced violence.
    Now don't tell me, nau sau chuhe khaa ke billi hajj ko chali. But I really do not buy this theory that manufactured kindness is any less than by-birth kindness. In fact I world rate it higher, because you restrain your evil self in this case quite voluntarily and Religion or Law asks you nothing more than doing this.
    By sadaf - 5/17/2013 1:31:37 AM



  • Oh thank you so much for the noblesse oblige. That you treat the nacheez people with kindness. And then proclaim it loudly like you are doing some great charity. 

    It may interest you to know that kindness is an involuntary quality. It comes to you irrespective of faith. And a person who judges his own goodness by how kind he has been to janasanghees and Hindu friends displays what I can only describe as manufactured kindness.
    By secular logic - 5/17/2013 12:23:01 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghaus,
    Thanks for that beautiful note. We need more such reminders!
    Love

    By Ji - 5/17/2013 12:13:15 AM



  • 100% agree with Ji. even secular logic will acknowledge the way, he will be treated with kindness in real life but then he will attribute it to my personality, and not the effect of islam on me. at least this is what experience day in and day out with my jansanghi acquaintances, and numerous Hindu friends. By sadaf - 5/16/2013 11:22:58 PM



  • Dear Ji sahib, I want to add some narrations guiding individuals to treat everyone as they want to be treated. The Prophet PBUH said: “The servant does not reach the reality of faith until he loves for others what he loves for himself.” (Musnad of Imam Ahmad)

    In Sahih Muslim from Abdullah ibn Amr Al-Ass, the Prophet PBUH said:“…..Whoever wishes to be delivered from the fire and enter the garden should die with faith in Allah and the Last Day and should treat the people as he wishes to be treated by them…”

    [Sahih Muslim; Book 020, Number 4546]

    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 11:19:11 PM



  • "The best of people are those who live longest and excel in their deeds, whereas the worst of people are those who live longest and corrupt their deeds." [Tirmidhî, Sahîh]

    The Prophet's high standard of manners made him a model for all Muslims to follow. He pbuh instructed Muslims to have high moral standards for Muslims and non-Muslims.

    He (pbuh) said: “The best of you is the best among you in conduct.” [Al-Bukhaari and Muslim]

    Now it is time to introspect whether we are following the footsteps of Our Prophet pbuh. We are endowed with high moral standards, yet paradoxically unable to practice them. Today we have hatred for our own families, neighbours, friends and brothers in humanity. At such times how can we treat others well and make our Islam practical within us? We only claim of being Islamic but we do not act upon. Instead of having love and the best character, we have only mutual conflicts and wars. We are shedding our brothers’ blood. Have we forgotten that we were created from a single soul i.e Hazrat Adam pbuh.

    Our Quran and Hadith want there to be peace in the world. Despite that some of our brothers are easily able to be brainwashed by militants so as to spread hatred. Let us join hands together to save and call them towards love where there is only peace. Let us make them realize peace; the nature of the Heaven (Jannat). In other words, the name of Heaven is دار السلام that means the house of peace. In short the Heaven is based on peace rather than hatred, so let us advertise it wherever we go so as to stop further brainwashing. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 11:09:22 PM



  • Before I head into my weekend I'd just like to quickly share something that has helped me to feel a whole lot better about myself.

    And it does not only benefit me but also the people in my life.

    It is a very simple habit.

    It is the habit of kindness and it can be expressed in many ways.

    You can for example: Give someone a genuine compliment.
    Hold up the door for the next person.
    Let someone into your lane while driving.
    Encourage a friend or family member when they are uncertain or
    unmotivated.
    Just listen and let someone in your life vent for a little while.
    Or take a few minutes help someone out in a practical way.

    When you have done one of these things, take a moment to pat yourself on the
    back and appreciate what you did. If he or she smiles and lights up thanks to you
    then you'll probably notice how you feel better too.

    And here's an interesting added benefit: the way you treat other people is the way
    you tend to treat yourself.

    More kindness towards the people in your life leads to a kinder and more loving
    attitude towards yourself. Just like a more judgmental attitude towards others
    usually is accompanied with pretty harsh and judgmental thoughts towards
    yourself.

    So spread the kindness is small or bigger doses this Sunday (and beyond). You'll make both the people in your world and yourself feel better.

    Hope you will have a good weekend!

    By Ji - 5/16/2013 11:00:18 PM



  • if wishes were donkeys, eyverybeggar would have had lots of donkeys.

    Kisi ke wish karne se kya hota hai? manzoorey khuda?
    By sadaf - 5/16/2013 11:38:38 AM



  • Dear Hats off brother, the following is very short

    "The best of people are those that bring most benefit to the rest of mankind." [Dâraqutni, This Hadith is Hasan, no one can call it fabricated one By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 10:35:42 AM



  • “Muslims are beginning to believe that Islam is a political ideology for establishing dominion over the world so as to establish God's sovereignty over earth. Apparently God has lost His sovereignty, and we Muslims are soldiers fighting to restore that”

    Dear Sultan sahib, the extremists have rejected their faith in God Almighty. God Almighty is already the lord of the entire universe. He does not need a human being to establish His sovereignty. Every one needs the lord. If the extremist Wahabis think that they should establish God’s sovereignty over the earth, they are no longer Muslims. It is not my own made principle, but Islamic principle. A Muslim is one who believes in God Almighty as the lord of the entire universe. Unfortunately they are rejecting the sovereignty of God.

    The first verse of the holy Quran is الحمد لله رب العلمين  that means ‘all praise be to Allah who is the lord of the entire universe’. I mean to say that God is already the lord and does not need anyone make lordship for Him Almighty. The extremists have rejected the verse of the holy Quran By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 10:15:17 AM



  • i wish mr ghulam ghause would "say" at least one tenths of what he pounds out on his keyboard.

    many words are needed to conceal much ignorance.
    By hats off! - 5/16/2013 10:03:19 AM



  • I think we should encourage both interfaith as well as intra-Islam dialogues. As for intra-faith dialogue, we will have to tell our non-Muslim brothers all about Wahabi ideologies. Is it not good? kindly tell me I am just consulting you, as consultation is what is emphasised by the prophet pbuh. By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 9:49:02 AM



  • Dear Sultan shahin sahib, first I extend my sincere gratitude to you. Your deep contemplative ideas draw enlightening me towards intra-Islam dialogue. Surely interfaith dialogue is of no paramount importance unless a tiny group, among Muslims known as Wahabi, stops believing in supermacism.

    Indeed, in accordance with Islam, no one has right to call themselves as superior to others. There are many verses giving the idea of equality. All are equal in front of God Almighty. Despite that, the problem of supremacy is revolving around us. That means Wahabis are going against the real meaning of the Quran. The major cause of this dilemma is none other than the misinterpretation of the holy Quran. Their interpretations and our interpretations are largely different in meaning and context. Our interpretations lead to equality, justice and morality. Their interpretations cause supermacism, fascism and extremism. Our interpretations promote love, mutual harmony and brotherhood, whereas they interpret the Quran for meeting their political needs, killing the innocent lives and destructing non-Wahabi heritage and so on so forth.  

    Now I think of how to resolve this fatal issue. Can I succeed? Though not, but I can save innocent Muslims from the web of the Wahabi terror. Not only Muslims but the large humanity, but how to do is a big deal. I think terrorism and hatred can not be rooted out by terrorism and hatred itself. Hatred can be eliminated but by love as our prophet did. When I use the formula of love, would they believe me, perhaps not wholly but intellectual fellows and readers can make justice here. Then Our Muslim and Non-Muslim brothers are welcome to take good and leave bad. I mean they should take good interpretations leading to peace and leave bad interpretations causing terrorism and supermasicm. If they do not take peace interpretations, I can not force them. My religion does not allow me the word “force” for them.

    Let me point out to the very disturbing situation for some of my Muslim brothers. They are in trouble as to which interpretation is good or which one is bad. To resolve that, I believe, we can not take our Muslim brothers to the era of the prophet PBUH to convince them. It is beyond our ability. We can only give the Quranic references and realities to them. I am sure if our brothers introspect and try to use their brain purely seeking the help from Allah, they will be able to recognise as to which one is right. Finally they will stop calling themselves superior to others. The following verse of the holy Quran lays the foundation of equality. 

    “All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers.”(2:285) By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 5/16/2013 9:39:25 AM



  • one of the reason (not the only one) for the uncivilized behaviour of humans is the strength afforded by a religious dogma.

    a dogma is so comfortable because it removes every bit of doubt. when you have no doubts whatsoever, you have reached the state of a god. like the gods, you become mindless once you have destroyed doubt by a flimsy faith.

    so like god you are obsessed with sex, be-heading, prayer, surrender, nude women and intoxication. and like gods you are just too damned eager to punish. nothing like deep frying humans for lunch and roast humans for dinner. and like the gods you then become entirely stupid and doting.

    men often feel comfortable about their unspeakable thoughts if they have surrendered themselves. either to a soldier, a god, a god man or an ideology.

    when the last crack in the shield is caulked, you suddenly find the darkened doubtless existence as the most blissful. then there is no more talking to you.

    and then there is no hope for you.
    By hats off! - 5/16/2013 1:31:19 AM



  • According to the Old Testament, the prophets of the Jews, Noah (Nuh), Moses (Musa), Abraham (Ibrahim), Joseph (Yousuf), etc are all prophets of the Christians also. These prophets along with Jesus Christ (Isa Ibne Mariam) are also the prophets of the Muslims. One whole chapter in the Holy Quran is devoted to Jesus Christ or Isa Ibne Mariam. 

    However, even when they have so many common prophets, the Jews, the Christians and the Muslims have been fighting amongst themselves. Further, amongst the Christians, the Roman Catholic and the Protestants have been fighting each other fiercely and amongst the Muslims, the Shias and the Sunnis have been fighting against each other not only in India and Pakistan but also in Iraq and other countries. 

    Similarly, Hindus and Sikhs have common names for God like Ram, Gobind, Gopal, Banwari, Neelkanth, Hari, Narayan, etc. but we have seen that during the Sikh militancy period, Hindus were taken out of the buses and killed mercilessly. When two fanatical Sikhs killed the late Prime Minster, Indira Gandhi, thousands of the Sikhs were also killed mercilessly by Hindu mobs. 

    Even amongst the Hindus, we have seen so many bloody battles between various castes, particularly in Bihar and eastern UP. 

    I fail to understand that when men have so many things in common including common cultural heritage, a common evolutionary progress from primitives to the modern men, etc. why do they fight against each other? 

    Why can they not behave like civilised people? Perhaps, the poet Ghalib was right when he said that it is difficult for a man to become a civilised man.  (Aadmi Ko bhi Mayyasar Nahin Insaan Honaa.)  

    So, the point worth pondering is whether we would remain civilised brutes or we would become civilised men also?
    By Satbir Singh Bedi - 5/15/2013 11:44:49 PM



  • as religiously intoxicated people can never get rid of their superiority complex, what we should have instead is a mutual back-patting society.

    we start by collecting some lip service. then we pay a little of this to bragging how wonderful religion X is. never mind if this same religion has decimated another group precisely because of the opposite reason.

    after the lip service is equally paid, we all have some tea and biscuits, provided the tea is halaal, the biscuits are kosher.

    then we discover that one participant is allergic to bovine dna, another to porcine dna and yet another to all animal dna. they all leave after each one asserts how great his religion is. the others may or may not agree depending upon whether agreeing to a mutual greatness may be heresy

    so to push this interfaith circus along, we start clowning around. and decide to meet another day, provided we haven't yet managed to slaughtered each other or ripped out each others guts.
    By hats off! - 5/15/2013 6:21:06 PM



  • I think we have had two kinds of inter-faith dialogue: a) In this members of different communities come on to the stage and with a smile they say that all religions are equal, "sab ek hain"; b) in this thereis an indirect attack on other religions. We need to find a thrid way for interacting with other communities. Making every religion "equal" (only by words) and/or deriding others subtly will not take us forward. Attitudes need to be changed, and it has to start from childhood. It is a very lengthy process, it requires a lot of time and energy. By Aiman Reyaz - 5/15/2013 5:56:13 PM



  • Muslims have to do a lot of catching up with the ideas of Islam. For centuries, they have just uttered those words five times a day without understanding what it means. Nah, it doesn't require understanding Arabic any more than the requirement of having an environment where inquisitive minds are given freedom to question things and then find and answer so that they can answer to other inquisitive minds and understand the answers found by other inquisitive minds.

    What requirement Allah has? Why does He want us to understand that He is important? Why He asks us to bow to Him? Does Allah need our Sajdas? What will our bow give to Allah? What was missing with Allah, that will be compensated by our Sajdas? 

    Nauzobillah. 

    We believe that He is complete and there is nothing missing with Him, then there is no question that we can give anything to Allah except our thanks for all that He has provided us. 

    If we do not give thanks to Allah, will He mind? Is He egoistic? Is He not generous? 

    We know He is not a mere mortal having their weaknesses. He doesn't get offended for not showing respect and honour to Him. He doesn't mind at all till He is not obeyed for few things which is really dear to Him. He minds if someone of obviously His own creation does injustice with others. He minds it really and minds much. 

    Our bow gives our aquiescence that we obey Him and the values He holds dear, namely, justice and that too to others. 

    He asks us to bow to Him yet not for Him, but for the rule of law and justice. He wants us to understand that He is important yet not for Him, but for the importance of rule of law and justice. Allah has no requirement otherwise except that he be obeyed and people do Sajda for Him, yet all these are for not Him, but for the rule of law and justice. 

    Can Allah have any requirement? Is He an ordinary mortal? Is He not God?

    Questions such as these when can be deliberated and argued without fear of getting beheaded for the bakwaas concept of blasphemy, then only can answers such as these be found. 

    What else this head on our shoulders is for? Only to be beheaded? Or is it only for Sajda? If it is the latter, then what is the guda/magaz inside for? Allah must have created that for some beautiful purpose. Isn't it? And He has given it to everyone and not just to one to do the thinking on behalf of everyone.
    By sadaf - 5/15/2013 1:25:21 PM



  • Ghaus Saheb says, "The diversity of religions across the world demands tolerance and respect to the other from everyone." This is an excellent point.

    Shahin Saheb too makes some very good points.

    Instead of holding religions blameless our dialogue should be framed in terms of, "This is how we, modern Muslims, interpret what Islam says. This is what we, modern Muslims, believe". The Quran and the Prophet are important. But we should not be just passive recipients. We are active participants in the process.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 5/15/2013 11:44:37 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Ghouse Saheb, while I fully agree with your basic premise, I must add that we will have to start developing a faculty for thinking new thoughts. A writing that merely reiterates what has been said over and over again is not very useful. In doesn’t take us forward. In the case of interfaith dialogue, for instance, we must not stop at saying that it is of paramount importance. People have been saying that for ages.

     

    The real question is how to go forward in this instance. What are the obstacles? Can we have any dialogue when one party, the Muslim community, for instance, continues to believe in its religious supremacism. Can we talk to members of another faith if we continue to believe that our faith is superior to theirs and we look down upon them with contempt? Obviously not. So before we even think of inter-faith dialogue we will have to fight within our community this monster of supremacism that bedevils us.

     

    We of necessity talk to somebody from another faith as a representative of our faith. But how can we do that if we are ourselves not clear about what our faith is. Is it a faith, a moral code or a political ideology?

     

     More and more Muslims are beginning to believe that Islam is a political ideology for establishing dominion over the world so as to establish God's sovereignty over earth. Apparently God has lost His sovereignty, and we Muslims are soldiers fighting to restore that.

     

    So, are Muslims soldiers in God's Army to conquer or re-conquer the world or are we a people looking for a spiritual path to God, becoming better human beings, imbibing Islam’s moral code?

     

    Before we approach others for a dialogue, we will have to resolve these questions among ourselves. So a precondition of interfaith dialogue is that we first introspect, resolve these fundamental questions in our own minds and then we have an intra-faith dialogue. At the moment we are not even clear who is a Muslim, what is Islam. Let us first focus on resolving these primary questions and introspect, brainstorm among ourselves. By Sultan Shahin - 5/15/2013 10:51:05 AM



  • Dear hats off, your question is good. "if islam is an all inclusive religiuon, why are religious minorities in muslim majority countries getting entirely wiped out?"
    Because almost all Muslim majority countries are ruled by radical and extremist (with Wahabi-Salafist ideology or influence) forces.Through their extremism and rigid ideas, they are damaging Islam and driving all of us to an imminent disaster. Therefore, it is our duty — Muslims and non-Muslims alike — to stop them from doing the hell. We, God willing, will stop them from doing that, and will protect our world from their extremism, if we all join hands and sincerely mean what we say!
    By Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi - 5/15/2013 8:35:14 AM



  • if islam is an all inclusive religiuon, why are religious minorities in muslim majority countries getting entirely wiped out?

    any clues?

    of course nothing to do with religion. everything to do with peptic ulcers.
    By hats off! - 5/15/2013 8:15:39 AM



  • The most redeeming feature of Islam, I believe, is that it is an all-inclusive religion. A Muslim is one who believes in God and all his books and messengers, without differentiating between any of them. One of the brightest aspects of the Prophet’s teachings, as many world renowned traditionalists have recorded, is that he commanded his followers to accept all other prophets and books. This core Islamic belief is beautifully presented in this Quranic verse: “All of them have believed in Allah and His angels and His books and His messengers, [saying], "We make no distinction between any of His messengers.”(2:285)

    By Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi - 5/15/2013 8:03:10 AM



  • "We are also well acquainted with the incident when a delegation of a different faith came to the prophet’s mosque in Madina. Before meeting the prophet pbuh they wished to offer their own prayers in that mosque while the Muslim prayer time was running out. The prophet said that they should pray first and Muslim prayers could wait. Similarly on other occasion the prophet showed respect to the funeral procession of a non-Muslim and rose on his feet telling his companions (sahabas) that in matters of etiquette faith does not make a difference."

    This is what the Prophet pbuh taught his followers, but this is not what our so-called ulema, especially Wahabi ulema, preachers and televangelists teach to their religious gathering and audience. And this is the major cause of growing disinterest of Muslims, particularly modern and educated Muslims in Islamic discourses. I am sure Mr. Ghulam Ghaus saheb, if moderate ulema like you stand up and say these things clearly and erduitely and with no equivocation, we will witness a flock of modern Mulsims restoring their faith and interest in Islamic sermons.

    By Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi - 5/15/2013 7:21:45 AM