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  • Naseer sb.,

    You have not yet replied to my following post"

    "Let me put it this way: let us redouble our efforts to respect the dignity of others irrespective of their faith or gender, to treat women as equals in rights and status, to extend religious freedom by not threatening others with dire consequences in the after-life and by decriminalizing  apostasy and by respecting the belief systems of others as much as we respect our own.

    "Since the Quran can be quoted to support as well as to oppose those principles, let us assert that we, as progressive Muslims and as believers in the spirit of the Quran, are committed to those principles.

    "We do not have to change anything in the Quran. We can focus on the verses that have eternal value and treat the others with inattention. What you say or do not say is not important. Let us talk of principles that we as progressive Muslims endorse and would like advanced."
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/13/2018 10:35:27 AM



  • Akbar's thought has gone to hell! 
    He was neither true for muslims nor for hindus. he was the biggest fraud and still there are many like him.

    so bogus comment by naseer ahaamad !!
    By Ravi Kumar - 12/13/2018 2:54:23 AM



  • About Akbar:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E6RCra4ySY4

    By SS Khan - 12/13/2018 2:49:05 AM



  • GM sb, You are free to clarify and say that you agree with me when I say that: 1. There is no compulsion in religion is an eternal principle of Islam. This principle was never compromised by the Prophet in his prophetic mission. 2. Kafir does not mean non-Muslim in the Quran. It is a faith neutral term and is also used for the “believers” and never to refer to all the polytheists. 3. The Quran is not misogynistic in any of its rulings and there is wisdom behind all its rulings. 4. The Quran does not sanction war against disbelief. It only allows war against oppression of any kind against any oppressor to help any oppressed. The religion of the oppressor and the oppressed is immaterial. By Naseer Ahmed - 12/13/2018 2:22:59 AM



  • Ms Kaniz Fatima,

    How can I answer for Akbar? 

    What I think however is that Akbar was a very genuine secularist and not a hypocrite. He was the best secularist I know of and no other politician or ruler upto our modern times comes close to him. I wonder whether before him there was such a secularist.

    We know very little of his religion Deen-e-Ilahi bit it may have been the truer version of Islam rather than that of the bigot Shaikh Ahmad Sirhindi's version who is unfortunately hailed as a mujaddid or even greater. 
    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/13/2018 2:05:22 AM



  • I do not have any fixed strategy. The end result of hat Prof. Moosa says and what I say would be the same. 

    Can you show me where I said, "The 

    Q   Quran is for compulsion in religion

    2.     Kafir means non-Muslim

    3.     The Quran is misogynistic

    4.     The Quran is exclusive.

    5.     The Quran is for a perpetual war against the non-Muslims." If you want to quote me, please use my exact words. Your attempt to summarize my comments is very misleading. Let us not play such tricks with each other.



    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/12/2018 12:50:59 AM



  • Naseer Ahmad Sahab, Assalam alaikum, 
    Please answer this question. I need it. 
    "Did Akbar become so secular because it was best for expansion of his kingdom?"
    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/12/2018 12:46:38 AM



  • Why do you quote Prof Moosa when your strategy is different from his? You want to leave the Quran aside and even insist and maintain that:

     

    1.     The Quran is for compulsion in religion

    2.     Kafir means non-Muslim

    3.     The Quran is misogynistic

    4.     The Quran is exclusive.

    5.     The Quran is for a perpetual war against the non-Muslims

    And say that the “Progressive Muslims nevertheless reject all of that and are for charting their own path keeping the Quran aside”. You want to declare the Quran irrelevant for present times not to be taken seriously. In simple language, you are an apostate, but you lack the integrity to openly make known your intentions. You are an apostate calling upon other Muslims also to apostatise but also a hypocrite who does not want to be open about it. Now you will cry “abuse” saying I called you an apostate and a hypocrite, but telling the truth is never abuse.

     

    No wonder you do not like my articles because these prove how wrong you are.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/11/2018 10:56:07 PM



  • Naseer sb.,

    Let me put it this way: let us redouble our efforts to respect the dignity of others irrespective of their faith or gender, to treat women as equals in rights and status, to extend religious freedom by not threatening others with dire consequences in the after-life and by decriminalizing  apostasy and by respecting the belief systems of others as much as we respect our own.

    Since the Quran can be quoted to support as well as to oppose those principles, let us assert that we, as progressive Muslims and as believers in the spirit of the Quran, are committed to those principles.

    We do not have to change anything in the Quran. We can focus on the verses that have eternal value and treat the others with inattention. What you say or do not say is not important. Let us talk of principles that we as progressive Muslims endorse and would like advanced.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/11/2018 1:05:29 PM



  • What GM sb is saying in effect is that irrespective of what I have said, he believes that the Quran:

    1. Uses undignified terms such as Kafir for other people

    2. Says that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man

    3. Is for compulsion in religion

    4. Is not inclusive and excludes all other faiths.

    He quotes Moosa as follows:

    Moosa asserts that progressive Islam doesn't mean changing the Quran or changing Hadith, but is instead about having alternative methodological approaches that are going to allow us to find different kinds of answers from tradition, and answers that will be much more amenable to our experiences and our way of life, be much more equitable.

     

    Using the methodology outlined by Prof Moosa, can GM sb show us how without changing the Quran or the Hadith, he will:

    1. Remove the word kafir from the Quran without changing the Quran

    2. Show that it does not say a woman’s testimony equals half that of a man while disagreeing with me simultaneously when I say the same thing.

    3. Show that the Quran never allows/allowed  compulsion in religion while disagreeing with me when I say so.

    4. Show that Islam is inclusive of all other faiths while disagreeing with me when I say so

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/11/2018 1:38:03 AM



  • What GM sb is saying in effect is that irrespective of what I have said, he believes that the Quran:

    1. Uses undignified terms such as Kafir for other people

    2. Says that a woman’s testimony is worth half that of a man

    3. Is for compulsion in religion

    4. Is not inclusive and excludes all other faiths.

    He quotes Moosa as follows:

    Moosa asserts that progressive Islam doesn't mean changing the Quran or changing Hadith, but is instead about having alternative methodological approaches that are going to allow us to find different kinds of answers from tradition, and answers that will be much more amenable to our experiences and our way of life, be much more equitable.

     

    Using the methodology outlined by Prof Moosa, can GM sb show us how without changing the Quran or the Hadith, he will:

    1. Remove the word kafir from the Quran without changing the Quran

    2. Show that it does not say a woman’s testimony equals half that of a man while disagreeing with me simultaneously when I say the same thing.

    3. Show that the Quran never allows/allowed  compulsion in religion while disagreeing with me when I say so.

    4. Show that Islam is inclusive of all other faiths while disagreeing with me when I say so

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/11/2018 1:37:52 AM



  • Naseer sb.,

    The position of progressive Muslims on the questions you ask is, as far as I understand it,  as follows:

    (1) Words like kafir are very undignified and we should not use them for anyone.

    (2) The idea that a woman's testimony is worth only one half of man's testimony is abominable and should be discarded.

    (3) All compulsion and coercion in matters of religion must be discarded.

    (4) Islam should be free of supremacist ideas. When you said God protects the Quran from contamination but does not provide the same protection to the Bible, you were being a supremacist.

    I hope I have made it simple enough for you.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/11/2018 12:50:17 AM



  • Hats Off's is stuck with jizya and sex slavery, things that progressive Muslims like Prof. Moosa and I have never supported. We do support human dignity as an important part of Islam. If Hats Off has any problem with supporting human dignity, let him say so.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/11/2018 12:38:52 AM



  • So, what are you and prof Moosa trying to prove with your "interpretations"?

    1. That Kafir means non-Muslim?
    2. A woman's testimony is worth half that of a man?
    3. There is compulsion in religion?
    4. Islam is the only true religion and all others are false?

    Is that what you are trying to achieve?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/10/2018 9:57:12 PM



  • if human dignity were at the core of islam then why jizya and sex slavery and polygamy? By hats off! - 12/10/2018 4:27:57 PM



  • The "clear meaning" is only in Naseer sb.'s mind and it has been refuted often enough already in these discussions.

    Naseer sb. has already been proven wrong (although he does not know it) in his explanations of  Kafirin , a woman’s testimony, no compulsion in religion, the inclusiveness of the deen of Islam  etc. 

    My only comment on kafirin has consistently been that the word should  not be used and should be made obsolete.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/10/2018 11:00:42 AM



  • “Human dignity is at the core of all Islam's messages. And if knowledge does not deliver on human dignity, then that knowledge really is questionable. So those kinds of interpretations of the past that talked about non-Muslims in a particular way, that talked about women in a particular way, are no longer dignified. That has to change.

     

    Give up your interpretations and take the correct meanings and it changes automatically. If you take the correct meaning, the non-Muslims are no longer the Kafirin (GM sb has however vociferously disagreed in the past and insisted that they are the kafirin. He is the one who is against human dignity), a woman’s testimony is not half that of a man, there is no compulsion in religion is an absolute law, the deen of Islam comprises other religions as well, ….……..


    So, where is the problem? The problem is with your interpretations.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/10/2018 1:19:56 AM



  • Religion is not plasticine that can be shaped any which way as one pleases. It is what it is and made clear by Allah. It suits people like GM sb, prof Moosa and many of the Islamic scholars to ignore the clear meaning and keep playing around with “interpretations”.

    If I am wrong, it is easy to prove that. One only must come up with a better alternate interpretation and defend it against what I have said. If they cannot come up with an alternative interpretation that stands the test of authenticity and conformity with the rest of the Quran better, then I have succeeded in extracting the correct clear meaning. You have more than hundred articles to try to prove me wrong. So, stop shadow boxing and get real or keep quiet.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/10/2018 1:08:03 AM



  • Naseer sb. insists that his interpretation is the only correct interpretation but claim that it is not interpretation at all but the exact meaning of the verse, perhaps told to him by God Himself!

    When he does not understand what Prof. Moosa or I are saying, he resorts to his usual tafriki tricks.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/10/2018 12:38:18 AM



  • Honesty requires not having to go beyond and outside of the Quran. If the Quran can stand up on its own and make sense to Prof Moosa and GM, they should accept it, else they should reject it. There is no point in fooling around and going about in circles neither believing nor rejecting and mouthing meaningless nonsense.

     
    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/9/2018 10:11:15 PM



  • Professor Ebrahim Moosa is debunking the Islam of the traditional schools without knowing what to uphold. I debunk the Islam of the traditional schools and have brought out clearly in  my articles the eternal Islam of the Quran  which nobody can find fault with  - not even your Professor Moosa.

    Moosa is still stuck with 'paradigms of interpretations" while I rubbish all interpretations and speak of the "single clear meaning" of every verse.

    These academicians like Prof Moosa  and Islamic scholars  can never go beyond "interpretation" because if there is nothing left to interpret, they will be out of business.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/9/2018 10:06:04 PM



  • Hats Off is projecting his own mendacity on to others. By the way, it is the Notre Dame Cathedral which is in Paris.  The Notre Dame University is an American University situated in Notre Dame, Indiana.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/9/2018 12:04:41 AM



  • whatever answers we need for our times can be better given by honesty and frankness. not by emigrating to france and undertake exegetical gymnastics.

    and those answers can also be found without ever being professor at notre dame.

    but honesty would imply embarrassment and of course the baying mobs of blood thirsty believers - like is happening with asia bibi. 
    By hats off! - 12/8/2018 6:23:36 PM



  • While Naseer sb. is busy identifying kafirs amongst us, let me post some of the thoughts of the best known writer on Progressive Islam, Prof. Ebrahim Moosa of the Notre Dame University:

    Ebrahim Moosa firmly believes that Islam is a religion for all ages and eras. The key is to interpret it according to the time and world we currently live in. "Muslim communities are based on historical traditions. And I'm not saying everything in tradition has to be thrown out. You don't throw the baby out with the bath-water. I think retaining an element of tradition is important. But some parts of tradition have become outdated and anachronistic in today's world- the question of gender, relationship between self and other, questions about practices that understand the world in a very different way. Our world has changed, and with the arrival of science and scientific thinking, how do you bring all those things together in a conversation?" Moosa asserts that progressive Islam doesn't mean changing the Quran or changing Hadith, but is instead about having alternative methodological approaches that are going to allow us to find different kinds of answers from tradition, and answers that will be much more amenable to our experiences and our way of life, be much more equitable.

    "The key thing about progressive or critical traditionalist approach in Islam, to me, is that we must see that all knowledge must substantiate and support the fulfilment of human dignity. Human dignity is at the core of all Islam's messages. And if knowledge does not deliver on human dignity, then that knowledge really is questionable. So those kinds of interpretations of the past that talked about non-Muslims in a particular way, that talked about women in a particular way, are no longer dignified. That has to change. You can only change it when you are prepared to ask questions, and are prepared to challenge the paradigm of interpretation that has been prevalent thus far." Moosa also believes that that is probably one of the biggest challenges for Muslims collectively, "because certain strands of Muslim orthodoxy do not want the paradigm to be questioned. They think the paradigm is perfect. And because they think so, anyone who challenges it becomes the enemy. But that is the only way we can have peace amongst Muslims today."


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/8/2018 2:32:19 PM



  • GM sb has no understanding of the meaning of  Islam. It is the religion of Allah that all His creation follows without having any choice in the matter.  It is only mankind and the Jinn who are given limited autonomy to test which one of them will choose to submit to the Deen Of Allah given a choice in the matter. Those who willingly and of their free choice submit are the Muslims. The rest are the rebels of the Kafir. By Naseer Ahmed - 12/8/2018 12:04:37 AM



  • Naseer sb.'s explanation of "no compulsion in religion" is as follows: "The test is to see if given full autonomy does man choose to submit to Allah and His commands or not."

    Words mean what Nsaseer sb. chooses them to mean!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/7/2018 11:57:11 PM



  • GM sb,

    "There is no compulsion in religion". The Quran gives full autonomy. Do as you please.

    The test is to see if given full autonomy does man choose to submit to Allah and His commands or not. There is no test if there is compulsion. The test is only when you have the freedom.

    The question is "do you feel free to submit to Allah and his commands or are you a prisoner of Satan and his guile or full of your own nonsense?'

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/7/2018 11:10:34 PM



  • Shahin Sb,

    There is no verse in the Quran that says "enslave" but there are verses that say "free the slave". The Quran also explicitly emancipates their social status by asking the Muslim to marry from among the  slaves.

    In the ordinary course, if there were no wars, Muslim society should have been free of slavery but that did not happen. Slaves occupied important administrative positions and also in the army and were not discriminated against in any manner vis-a-vis the free men. And yet,  slavery existed.

    Slavery did away with the requirement for prisons and the slaves led far better and more dignified  lives than the prisoners do today who are ill-treated and routinely raped/sodomized by prison guards and other inmates. Islamic wars of those days are also the only wars that were free from the rape of the vanquished.  The female slaves only had to submit to one master. So, if you ask me whether in the 21st century, the Quran would have banned slavery, then my answer would be that it would have nothing to say if it didn't exist and if it existed and served a useful purpose, the Quran would have only regulated it to remove the ills and banned it if it served no good purpose but was only an evil.

    Both the prison and slavery deprive the person of their freedom and while imprisonment is for a term, the Quran also instructs the Muslims to allow and help the slave to buy their freedom making slavery also limited by a term. There were however many among the slaves who didn't mind retaining the notional position of a slave even when offered freedom and many of those who occupied high social positions because of their office fell in this category.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/7/2018 11:01:51 PM



  • Aayina,

    If progressive Muslims try to promote  rationality and universal brotherhood, would that be too upsetting for you?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/7/2018 12:23:55 PM



  • Gulam Mohyuddin when told it was based on some truth here is example of too Muslim attitude and behaviour with us Hindus.

    It is simple analysis what I said.

    Here is live example, this first hand example of Muslims friends which I came across when I was in college.

    Here is Example of Progressive And orthodox Muslims.

    This example shows how they copy other relgion and bully same region.

    This is example of Muslim  Mother and Daughter.

    Muslims never have and never celebrated Mohmmad paigmaber birthday, than in India, they started by coping Indian Hindu Avtars which they hate from deep of their heart which is thought by their paigamber and book.

    So one day this progressive daughter living in our campus with us came and told me that her mother had told her not to celebrate Miladunnabi as it is more in Hindu tradition and their Aalim had told them not to celebrate, so this year she is not going to, but still loves the birthday celebration so much so she was told to remain happy in heart.

    The message of orthodox and progressive Muslim was clear not to progress anything that gives enjoyment and mimick others.

    I also said her come to Janmastmi next time, I personally do not bother to go but she was disappointed I said her to come and other other Indic celebration but this progressive Muslim cannot come.

    Sultan Shain a progressive Muslim had not put single Article on importance of Diwali in India, not even his part of his current affairs news, this is progressive Muslims, live example for this website.
    By Aayina - 12/7/2018 11:02:06 AM



  • Allah Almighty has revealed the holy Quran in order to guide and test the mankind, “He misleads many by it (the Quran), and He guides many by it (the Quran)” (2:26).

    Those in whose hearts is deviation try to take out the meaning which is not supported by the Quran.

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 12/7/2018 4:23:08 AM



  • is there any verse which says by misunderstanding Quran some get misguidance and by understanding well the Quran some get guidance? By Khalid Hasan - 12/7/2018 3:56:03 AM



  • Aayina is repeating the same nonsense that Hats Off spouts!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/7/2018 12:46:59 AM



  • Gulam Mouyddin lies easily.

    There is nothing like moderate or progressive Muslim.

    Orthodox play game of Jihad, moderate play victimhood, and progressive play game of decisiveness.

    If you want to see the progressive Muslims decisiveness, in India see the scholars and double standard of Aligarh Muslim university 

    Muslim Use all type of tactics to achieve Muslim majotainism and eradicate others
    By Aayina - 12/7/2018 12:04:03 AM



  • Hats Off's litany of past evils is of  historic interest only. It does not prevent progressive Muslims from keeping pace with progressive Christians, progressive Hindus, progressive Jews and progressive atheists all of whom  champion humanitarianism and freedom. Hats Off's perceptions are jaded and replete with hatred.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/6/2018 11:40:50 PM



  • "...ability to appreciate the true beauty of Islam which lies in one's choosing to be righteous and virtuous out of one's own free will."

    like extract jizya while enforcing willing submission? or trade in female sex slaves? or go on caravan raids? or wipe out minorities? destroy temples and synagogues? cry victimhood? brazen entitlement? subverting liberal western societies? child grooming gangs?
    By hats off! - 12/6/2018 5:14:25 PM



  • Dear Naseer Saheb, If Quran were being revealed in the 21st century context, would it have stopped short of banning slavery? By Sultan Shahin - 12/6/2018 3:45:26 PM



  • For Naseer sb., Islam means blind, unquestioning submission! Did God create Islam to make slaves out of us all? Naseer sb.'s blind, unquestioning submission deprives him of the ability to appreciate the true beauty of Islam which lies in one's choosing to be righteous and virtuous out of one's own free will.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/6/2018 1:46:28 PM



  • GM Sb is an ignoramus. The meaning of Islam is submission to Allah. Except mankind and the Jinns who are given limited autonomy, every other creation has no choice but to submit to Allah's commands and obey His Laws and live in accordance with the nature given to them. They all bow to Allah in Islam and that is never going to change.

    The day, there will not be a single Muslim among the mankind left on the earth, the doomsday will come.

    The existence of Islam is not dependent upon the existence of Muslims among the mankind or among the Jinn.

    Islam has been the religion of Allah since creation and will remain forever.

    GM sb uses words very loosely  without knowing their meanings. 

    He attacks the Quran using words such as literalism without being able to find fault with the literal meaning of even one verse. What he has been trying to say all the time is that the eternal moral principles have  sufficiently permeated society and that we do not need the Quran any more and must build on those principles based on reason alone. Why does he not do that and leave behind Islam and the Quran? Why is he trying to turn the Muslims away from the Quran?

    I am wide awake. It is GM sb who wants to put the Muslims to sleep.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/6/2018 12:59:39 AM



  • Nasir sb. is in deep slumber! I shall not try to wake him up.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/5/2018 11:35:13 PM



  • Muslims may be in an existential crisis, not Islam. Even if all the present day Muslims are wiped out, Islam will still prevail. The problem is that you talk without understanding what Islam is. By Naseer Ahmed - 12/5/2018 10:29:21 PM



  • At a time when Islam finds itself in an existential crisis, resorting to blind literalism will prove to be harmful.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/5/2018 10:48:47 AM



  • How many foster brothers and sisters did the prophet Muhammad have?

    By Ali Murtuza - 12/5/2018 2:22:10 AM



  • The Quran teaches by:

     

    1. Explicit verses laying down the law cleraly such as the verse:2:256, verses on the divorce process, laws of inheritance,  and several more.

    2.recalling, remembering (zikr) the life of the prophets,

    3.through example, comparison, similitude, metaphor (misal, tashabaha),

    4.through relating stories, narrations (naba, hadith, qissa)  of past people,

    5. and by mentioning the  approved practices, ways of living, traditions, precedents  (sunnat) of previous people of God and the prophets

    6. and also through expressing disapproval of undesirable ways, practices of past people

     

    From which the eternal principles are easily derived and contained in my articles:

    Let There Be No Compulsion in Religion: Quran Makes the Truth Stand out Clear from Error

    The Principles of War from the Quran

    The Importance of Rendering Justice in Islam

    Deen-e-Islam or the Moral Way of Living in Islam

    The Role Models in the Quran

    The Quran, Islamic Theology, Philosophy And The Sciences - What Is God And How Do We Go About Trying To Know God Better? (Part 1)


    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/5/2018 12:43:05 AM



  • Verses that elucidate  the divine message are just elucidations. They should not be mistaken for eternal principles. One has to search for and deduce the eternal principles.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/4/2018 11:45:57 PM



  • Ms Kaniz Fatima, 

     

    If what you say and what you mean are two opposite things, I cannot help it. Either Ibn Taymiyyah is right in his understanding and the Quran is flawed or Ibn Taymiyyah’s understanding is flawed and the Quran is right or your understanding of what Ibn Taymiyyah has said is flawed. If the literal meaning of a Muhkamat verse contradicts the literal meaning of another Muhkamat verse, then the Quran cannot be from Allah since it contradicts itself. This is not the case at all and therefore the fault lies in Ibn Taymiyyah's understanding or your understanding of him. I cannot comment further because I do not know what Ibn Taymiyyah said on the subject. Do not compare your speech with Allah's speech. Allah does not say the opposite of what He means, nor does He have any of the human shortcomings of saying things that are illogical and contradictory.

     

    You have not answered my question on whether you agree or disagree with what you have quoted of Abdullah Saeed. What he and other reformist scholars  mean when they talk about context has been explained by me. To quote from your comment, he has said “"Values change according to social, economic, political, legal and intellectual circumstances. When this happens, there should be a change in how we approach the foundation texts that relate to those values.

     

    Do you agree with him that Quranic/Islamic values must change with the times?

     

    Or do you agree with me when I say “The flaw in the argument is in the assumption that lessons on the eternal principles cannot be delivered through a context. No matter what the context, eternal principles remain unchanged and any given context is only incidental, but part of the deliberate methodology of experiential learning followed by the Quranic revelations.  The context is to elucidate but not to define the message itself. It is therefore erroneous to believe that the Deen of Islam would have differed if the context of the revelation was different. No, the context  or the process of elucidating the message would have been different but the Deen would have remained the same.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/4/2018 5:07:39 PM



  • Yes Islamic Sharia gives religious freedom. It simply asks its followers to forbid evil and command good, in other words, to act according to Quranic Teachings.It does not ask its followers to force any non Muslims. Not a single verse of the Quran encourages compulsion.

    However it is truth that in Islamic countries it  allows to makecertain laws and rulings to uphold law and order.

    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/4/2018 6:16:57 AM



  • Is Sharia consistent with religious freedom?  By Rumish - 12/4/2018 6:08:11 AM



  • You did not understand me and you yourself accused me of what i did not mean.
    sometimes a man does not understand others how can he be so much sure of not failing in understanding the Quran?
    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/4/2018 4:14:43 AM



  • Why waste my time with what someone else has said?  There are more than a hundred of my articles covering every subject and I have not deviated from the literal meaning of any of the Muhkamat verses.

    The complete Deen of Islam is through Muhkamat verses alone and meant to be taken literally.

    If this was not so, then the Quran's claim that it is Kitabum Mubeen without crookedness, easy to understand, without any discrepancy, consistent in itself, would be a false claim.

    By saying that ""without deviating from the literal meaning of the verses" Ibn Taymiyyah broke the unity and supported the view of Tajsim which was antithetical to muhkamat verses of Tanzih.", you are accusing the Quran of containing  contradictions and making false claims.



    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/4/2018 2:17:06 AM



  • Ghulam Mohiyuddin sahab is right in comment that "The basic message of Islam does not change. But one has to search for the basic message. Taking the verses literally can be misleading."
    I want to add that some verses are muhkamat and some are mutashabhiat and some have universal application and some are contextual but it does not mean that the values of the Quran are not applicable to us. 
    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/4/2018 2:06:59 AM



  • @ Naseer sb, 
    "without deviating from the literal meaning of the verses" Ibn Taymiyyah broke the unity and supported the view of Tajsim which was antithetical to muhkamat verses of Tanzih.
    Many of what we regard as ISIS OR TALIBAN are following the literal interpretations of the Quran and hadith 
    there are occassion where sometimes we need literal interpretation and sometimes we have to follow metaphorical and other sources to exactly understand the meaning of the Quran.
    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/4/2018 2:03:46 AM



  • The message is loud and clear in the literal meaning of the verses. The problem is only with the interpretations. I have explained every subject without deviating from the literal meaning of the verses. By Naseer Ahmed - 12/4/2018 12:22:43 AM



  • The basic message of Islam does not change. But one has to search for the basic message. Taking the verses literally can be misleading. The verses are designed to make the message understandable and palatable to the people of a particular time and a particular place. The underlying message is of eternal validity and is an exhortation to be righteous, just, kind, rational, peaceful and to be always aware that you are accountable for your actions.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/3/2018 11:39:06 PM



  • ......however, if all that you do is interpret, then there is no end to the re-interpretations. But if you take the meaning, then the meaning never changes. We do need to reject the (mis)interpretations of the past and take the clear meaning. The clear meaning is as relevant today as it always was and will forever be.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/3/2018 11:09:31 PM



  • The flawed argument of context by reformist scholars such as Abdullah Saeed

    Is historical context important to a revelation? It certainly is for progressive revelations. Allah has taken mankind forward progressively from the earliest times time when man did not even have the concept of right and wrong to a stage when mankind was ready to receive the “perfected and complete religion” from Muhammad (pbuh), the last and the seal of the prophets. This was a stage in civilizational development, when the worth of the Deen of Allah (moral principles of religion), had become evident through practice over the ages, and therefore clear from error.  Once the perfected and complete Deen was delivered, there cannot be further improvement in it. If you believe otherwise like the reformist scholars, then you are saying in effect that Allah did not “perfect and complete his religion” and that religion can never be perfected/completed since it must continue to change with the times. You also reject in effect the argument of Muhammad (pbuh) being the last and the seal of the prophets because who else but a prophet can guide us afresh according to the changed times?

    The flaw in the argument is in the assumption that lessons on the eternal principles cannot be delivered through a context. No matter what the context, eternal principles remain unchanged and any given context is only incidental, but part of the deliberate methodology of experiential learning followed by the Quranic revelations.  The context is to elucidate but not to define the message itself. It is therefore erroneous to believe that the Deen of Islam would have differed if the context of the revelation was different. No, the context  or the process of elucidating the message would have been different but the Deen would have remained the same.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/3/2018 10:58:24 PM



  • The key words in the Saeed quote are: "The Qur’an should be seen as embedded in the context in which it was received."

    If the eternal message is thus "embedded", it means one has to find that eternal message  rather than be satisfied with the 7th century version of it.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/3/2018 12:27:32 PM



  • Ms Kaniz Fatima,

    Do you understand the meaning of what you have quoted Saeed (2006,124)?
    Why not simply adopt the changing values from time to time and place to place  and stop bothering about upgrading our understanding of the Quran by re-interpreting it  to reflect  current values? What  the quote says in effect is that there are no permanent values but values according to the times and the place which makes the Quran simply a chronicler of the values of a certain people living at a point in history.

    If the Quran is a product of its context then  it is not relevant to other contexts or regions and other times. 

    That is the meaning of your quote but since you have not commented on what you have quoted, it is unclear whether you agree or disagree with what you have quoted.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 12/3/2018 12:49:56 AM



  • Thank you Ghulam Mohiyuddin sir. 

    I see newageislam.com and its columnists are waging ideological fighting against ISIS and its likes for a long time but this is not being highlighted or sufficiently credited in mainstream circles. It looks like people getting interested in spreading the attacks more than Islamic fight against ISIS.

    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/2/2018 11:51:43 PM



  • Excellent comment quoted by Kaniz Fatma.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 12/2/2018 10:55:31 PM



  • @Kaniz Fatma,

    Contextualist approach is dependent on Ilm-e-Shane Nuzul (Knowledge of the occasions of revelations). The knowledge of Shan-e-nuzul is acquired through sound and authentic transmissions from the companions of the beloved Prophet (peace be upon him). it is strictly forbidden to adopt the path of mere guessing and personal opinion in this domain. Apart from a few examples whose occasions of revelations were mentioned in the Quran itself, knowledge of  most of the Shane Nuzul is acquired from the prophetic Companions.   

    The prophetic companions knew the knowledge of Shane Nuzul because some Quranic Ayat were revealed with regard to something that occurred to them personally, or because some Ayat were revealed in connection to incidents they witnessed or because they had access to other corroborating racts and indications that only someone in their position could have access to.

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 12/2/2018 10:35:06 PM



  • ON CONTEXTUALIST APPRAOCH TO QURAN:

    Saeed (2006,124):
    "Values change according to social, economic, political, legal and intellectual circumstances. When this happens, there should be a change in how we approach the foundation texts that relate to those values. The Qur’an was given in a specific context, within the framework of a worldview that was appropriate to first/seventh-century Arabia, and in a language
    and symbolism that its audience understood. The Qur’an should be seen as embedded in the context in which it was received."
    By Kaniz Fatma - 12/2/2018 9:42:21 PM



  • Members of ISIS know the literal meaning of Islam; that is peace. However they have been brainwashed by wahhabi theology which we can say is based on wrong interpretation of Islam.

    They apply war-related verses out of context in peaceful environment.

    They follow Ibn Abdul Wahhab who is the practical founder of Wahhabism and Ibn Taymiyya who is the ideological thinker of Wahhabism. The ideologies of wahhabism are as follows

    to kill those muslims who celebrate milad, who have creed of tawassul, who do no t believe in tajseem,  and in short to kill all those muslims who visit shrines and who do not follow wahhabism.

    This way they do not follow the path of Islam which is that path of peace

     

    By Urooj Fatma - 11/27/2018 4:40:16 AM



  • Why don't the members of ISIS know the meaning of Islam?

    By QRA - 11/27/2018 4:34:19 AM



  • Mr. QRA,

    I suggest you to read these articles posted on Newageislam.com– all refute ideologies of ISIS.

    ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Other Islamist Terrorists are Kharijites? An Analysis of 40 Major Characteristics of Kharijites

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/106173

    Radical ‘Salafi’ Ideology Of Zarqawi That Created ‘ISIS’: Muslims Must Reclaim Real, Spiritual Islam And Eliminate Radicalism

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/105537

    ISIL Militants Killing Muslims in Iraq will Taste the Hellfire

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/97833

    The Terrorist Acts of ISIS Are Categorically Forbidden—Evidences from the Quran and Hadith

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/111670

    Refutation Of Raymond Ibrahim’s Article Entitled ‘Islamic State Beheads, Mutilates, As The Quran Instructs’ - Part 1: Don't Ignore The Context Of Quran's Verses Or The Asbab Al-Nuzul

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/100105

    Refutation of Raymond Ibrahim’s Article Entitled ‘Islamic State Beheads, Mutilates, As the Quran Instructs’ - Part 2: The Dreadful Story of Abu Jahl’s Torture of Early Muslims

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/100166

    Refutation of Raymond Ibrahim’s Article ‘Islamic State Beheads, Mutilates, As the Quran Instructs’ - Part 3: Associating Terrorism With Islam Is Complete Distortion Of The Religion; Evidence from Qur’an

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/100290

    The Self-Proclaimed ‘Caliphate’ of Daesh or ‘ISIS’: A Gross Distortion of the Rightly Guided Caliphate and Thus a Neo-Kharijite Organization

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/102853

    ISIS, Taliban, Al-Qaeda and Other Islamist Terrorists are Kharijites? An Analysis of 40 Major Characteristics of Kharijites

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/106173

    ISIS: The Knife That Slaughters Islam And Muslims

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/107144

    Unmasking Ideological Origins of ISIS; Refutation of Its Deviant Theology Alone Can Defeat This Evil

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/107242

    Suicide Attacks By ISIS or Any Other Muslim Militants Are Brazenly Un-Islamic and Categorically Forbidden [Haram] Under All Circumstances: Evidence from the Quran and Hadith

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/107985

    Refuting ISIS’ Magazine ‘Rumiyah’ That Ignores the Context of Quran's Verses To Forcefully Justify its Atrocities

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/111524

    Had The Hadith Already Asked Muslims 1400 Years Ago Not To Join ISIS?

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/113142

    The Sixteen Quranic Verses That Counter Violent-Extremism and Terrorism

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/112752

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 11/27/2018 3:27:40 AM



  • If Muslims think ISIS is doing wrong, then why don’t they oppose it openly? As they have supported Gaza against Israel, now they should speak against ISIS.

    By QRA - 11/27/2018 3:03:48 AM



  • Stanley Lane-Poole, a British orientalist with his usual acumen writes:

    “But the final keystone was set in the eight year of the flight (A.D. 630), when a body of the Quraysh broke the truce of attacking an ally of the Muslims; and Mohammad forthwith marched upon Makkah with ten thousand men, and the city, defence being hopeless, surrendered.  Now was the time for the Prophet to show his blood –thirsty nature. His old persecutors are at his feet. Will he not trample on them, torture them, revenge himself after his own cruel manner? Now the man will come forward in his own true colours: We may prepare our horror, and cry shame beforehand. “But what is this? Is there no blood in the streets? Where are the bodies of the thousands that have been butchered? Facts are hard things, and it is a fact that the day of Muhammad’s greatest triumph over his enemies was also the day of his grandest victory over himself. He freely forgave the Quraysh all the years of sorrow and cruel scorn they had inflicted on him: he gave an amnesty to the whole population of Makkah. Four criminals, whom justice condemned, made up Mohammad’s proscription list when he entered as a conqueror the city of his bitterest enemies. The army followed the example, and entered quietly and peaceably and no house was robbed, no woman insulted.” (See: Introduction to E.W. Lane’s Selections from the Qur’an)

    To read more such quotes, click the link

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/111036

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 11/26/2018 11:30:40 PM



  • It were the amazing incidents of mercy, magnanimity, clemency, forbearance and forgiveness of the beloved Prophet Muhammad [peace and blessings of Allah be upon him] that fascinated even non-Muslims including orientalists, bishops, intellectuals and analysts.

    For Muslims the Quran and Sunnah are enough to know about the Prophet peace be upon him. If someone perceives anything to be wrong, it is his case inspired by his personal attitude. Anyway there are also writings of several Non-Muslim thinkers and researchers who also accept the Quranic view that “the Prophet was sent as a mercy”, based on their quest for historical account.

    I recommend reading this article of mine, the link of which given below;

    http://www.newageislam.com/d/111036

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 11/26/2018 11:27:00 PM



  • Ghulam Ghus you are lieing  Mohmmad paigmaber destroyed the all other's belife, he respected others as long he was weak, as soon as he gathered more number he started to impose, at the end nothing was happening so sura Tuba came to kill who do not believe in him. This the Essenes of all your relgion.

    Nearly all new religious when start they do same in starting they talk of all and respect than when they get numbers and power they start to diminish the others, Mohmmad paigmaber was not exception.

    There is more blood hands of your paigamber and is continuing even he died, this type of paigamber is not worth to respect( asIslam does not all to pray) who leaves legacy of killing people.

    Person like Mohnmad paigmaber should be learnt as history which can teach us lesson how his words had became monstrures for life of humanity and should be kept out of spiritual relam.
    By Aayina - 11/24/2018 5:52:17 PM



  • The Prophet's life was clear, as though he lived in a glass room--keen that people learn even the subtlest details. By Abdullah bin Bayyah - 11/22/2018 12:07:43 AM



  • Dear Ghulam Hussain, 

    Recommend books for understanding Sufi version of Islam are as follows;

    Futuhul Ghaib by Shaikh Abdul Qadir Jilani (Urdu, Arabic and English)

    Sharh Futuhul Ghaib by Shaikh Abdul Haq Muhaddis Dehlavi (Urdu and Persian)

    Kashful Mahjoob by Data Hujweri (Urdu and English)

    Awareful Ma’arif by Shaikh Suharwardi (Urdu)

    Fawaidul Fawad by Hazrat Nizamuddin Aulia (Urdu)

    Fususul Hikam by Shaikh Ibn Arabi (Urdu and Arabic)

    Hilyatul Awlia (Arabic)

    Allah Waalon ke Baaten (Urdu)

    Maktoobate Imam Rabbani by Mujaddid Alfe Thani (Urdu)

    Imam Ahmad Raza and Maarife Tasawwuf by Mufti Isa Razvi (Urdu)

    Imam Ahmad Raza and Tasawwuf by Muhammad Ahmad Misbahi

    Masnawi by Imam Rumi (Urdu and English)

    Maktoobate Sadi by Shaikh Yahya Maneri (Urdu)

    Maktoobate do sadi by Sheikh Yahya Muneri (Urdu)

    Maqalul Urafa by Ala Hazrat Ahmad Raza

    Masaele Simaa’ by Ala Hazrat Ahmad Raza

    Al-Qaul Masood fi Masalate Wahdatul Wujud by Ala Hazrat Ahmad Raza (Urdu)

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 11/17/2018 3:24:04 AM



  • What is a recommended reading for Sufi Islam? By Ghulam Hussain - 11/17/2018 3:17:51 AM



  • Good article. Muslim clerics must learn how to derive the best message out of the Islamic narrative. And they should know that the best message is one of peaceful coexistence, brotherhood, compassion and forgiveness.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 11/12/2018 12:47:35 PM



  • We are once again blessed with the month of Rabi' al-Awwal.

    This month of Rabi' al-Awwal has been an auspicious one for Muslims since the advent of Islam. It is the month in which our Prophet Muhammad, peace be upon him, was born. It is the month in which he migrated from Mecca to Medina, thus starting a historical stride. It is also the blessed month in which he returned to his Lord, and although it was calamitous, he said, "My life is good for you, and my passing away is good for you." 

    In this blessed month , we are glad to announce our upcoming Online Course titled:  Muhammad ﷺ : The Merciful.

    In this course, we will perform a reading of the Quranic verses and traditions pertaining to the merciful character of our Beloved Prophet (peace be upon him).
    By GRD - 11/12/2018 4:40:25 AM