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  • GM sb,  You are dodging the question.
    My explanation is very clear. The meaning of Islam is inclusive of all faith systems that require submitting to Allah (by any name) which is why people of all faiths have been considered by Islamic rulers as "People of the Book". If you call this supremacism, you are entitled to your opinion.
    I am glad that you made a distinction between "supreme" and "supremacism". The Quran being the last of the revelations and containing the complete and perfected religion, a distinction not enjoyed by any other Scriptures, is supreme among the scriptures. This is not to deny that  the earlier scriptures are also inspired by the same Supreme Allah. I hope you keep the distinction between "supreme" based on objective criteria and "supremacism" which is lording over without justification. By Naseer Ahmed - 1/16/2019 11:00:59 PM



  • Naseer sb., 
    If you want to go by your understanding of the verse, you must at the same time admit that you are a supremacist.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/16/2019 2:03:38 PM



  • The verse is from the Quran, and the same for all. It is not different for you and me. It is as follows:
    وَمَن يَبْتَغِ غَيْرَ الْإِسْلَامِ دِينًا فَلَن يُقْبَلَ مِنْهُ وَهُوَ فِي الْآخِرَةِ مِنَ الْخَاسِرِينَ
    The keywords are ghayra (other than)  l-is'lāmi (Islam) dīnan (as religion)
    If you accept the verse, then translate it and show your translation to be accurate. By Naseer Ahmed - 1/15/2019 11:05:28 PM



  • For you, the verse 3:85 means: 

    "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him."

    For me, the verse 3:85 means:
     "And whoever desires a religion which does not require being righteous, just and peaceful - never will it be accepted from him"
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/15/2019 2:16:45 PM



  • You tell me what your position is about 3:85. I have already given my understanding of it. 

    Do you believe in it? If you do, how do you translate it?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/14/2019 11:03:31 PM



  • Do not read Quran 3:85 alone!  It should be read with Quran 3:86 together.  
    Quran 3:85-86 (Mohsin Khan translation), "...whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, It will never be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he will be one of the losers."  
    The phrase, whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, could refer to one who seeks either a religion who exercises their faith in Allah or a religion who does not exercise their faith in Allah.
    As the word, Hereafter, in Quran 3:85 can be in paradise, it implies Quran 3:85 should refer to those who cannot enter into paradise.
    Quran 2:62 (Mohsin Khan translation), "Verily!  Those who believe and those who are Jews and christians, and Sabians, whoever believes in Allah and the Last Day and does righteous good deeds shall have their reward with their Lord, on them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve."
    As Quran 2:62 mentions those who believe in Allah and does good deeds can proceed to paradise or the so called hereafter in Quran 3:85, the phrase, whoever seeks a religion other than Islam, in Quran 3:85 should refer to those who seek a religion that does not exercise faith in Allah.  This conclusion is confirmed by subsequent verse in Quran 3:86, "(that mentions) How shall Allah guide a people who disbelieved after their belief...".  The phrase, a people who disbelieved after their belief, in Quran 3:86 implies these people believe in Allah yet join another religion without exercising faith in Allah.  Thus, Quran 3:85 does not support Islam has any supremacism over other religions who exercise faith in Allah.  It only comments on those who believe in Allah yet join other religions who does not exercise their faith in Allah.  To them, they are the losers since they will lose benefit in the hereafter or paradise due to they reject to exercise faith in Allah.  Remember!  Only those who have faith in Allah and do good deeds will have the access to paradise.  People might join different religions other than Islam.  As long as they believe in Allah and do good deeds, they will have a place in heaven.  To them, there is no supremacism over each other.
    Quran 3:85 only condemns those who reject faith in Allah join other religions that have nothing to do with Allah.
    By zuma - 1/14/2019 6:50:21 PM



  • Naseer sb. asks, "who are you calling supremacist except the author of verse 3:85?"

    If you believe in 3:85 

    (whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him,) you are a supremacist. You can justify your supremacism by saying that your Holy Book recommends it, or you can raise questions about what could God really have meant. I do not think God wants us to be supremacists. I do not even think God demands submission. He demands peace and righteousness. I do not think the word "Islam" means submission. It means peace.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/14/2019 1:40:15 PM



  • Hats Off has picked this forum to show off his cleverness because he would be thrown out of most other forums post haste!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/14/2019 12:02:09 AM



  • So, who are you calling supremacist except the author of verse 3:85?
    I have reproduced exactly what I said. Where is the deception? The deception is his in twisting what I said.
    GM sb cannot distinguish between calling somebody Muslim and the Quran considering all those who submit to Allah (by any name) as Muslim and their religion as Islam which is what I said and established through verses from the Quran.
    It is he who twisted that into calling others Muslim and the Hindus resenting it. He is the one who is lying and is deceptive. He can argue only against his twisted version and therefore twists what I said and fights against his own twisted version. By Naseer Ahmed - 1/13/2019 10:31:56 PM



  • when a no true scotsman fights a straw man, all bets are off. By hats off! - 1/13/2019 5:41:36 PM



  • Naseer sb. quotes himself and says, "The promise of Allah is to all those who submit to Allah and practice good deeds."

    He forgets that the point of disagreement is that it is not necessary to call devout  Hindus   "Muslims". Is he forgetful or just deceptive?

    And let me repeat what I said before:   
    It is supremacism to say,"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him." Submission to Allah may be basic in Islam but we cannot lay down the rules for  other religions. If we do, we are supremacists.
     
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/13/2019 1:22:59 PM



  • GM sb now wants to preach to me what I have myself said in my comment and also brought out through my articles based on the Quran! That is exactly what I said in my first comment in this thread:

     The promise of Allah is to all those who submit to Allah and practice good deeds.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/5/2019 6:22:35 AM

     That is exactly what I said in three of my articles:

     Is It Possible To Logically Derive A Single Meaning Of Every Verse Of The Quran? Or, Does Allah Provide A Level Playing Field To All The People?

    The Treachery of Beliefs

    The Momineen and the Kafirin

    Whom did you call supremacist then for verse 3:85? This is what you said:

     "The phrase "submission to Allah" is not in 3:85. Out of seven translations, three mention it but four translations just use the word Islam without any qualification. We cannot pretend Islam is just submission and not a complete religion. Hence to say, "Ifanyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him," is supremacism.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/12/2019 10:45:21 PM



  • Naseer sb. says, " It is enough if I and every Muslim consider other devout persons equally as Muslims."

    It will never enter his head to say simply  that all devout persons are equally favored by God. He just does not understand the subtle differences between various ways in which one expresses oneself.

    He again accuses me of calling God a "supremacist", when I have clearly said that God is supreme. Words like "supremacist" may apply to some persons or some religions but not to God. Why does he persist in repeating the same lies again and again?

    Words like kafir are  words that Naseer sb. uses. I do not use them.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/12/2019 1:32:50 PM



  • GM sb will never understand anything! I am not calling others Muslim nor asking them to accept that they are Muslims nor is it necessary for me or others to do so. It is enough if I and every Muslim consider other devout persons equally as Muslims irrespective of the name by which they call God. I was responding to Hats Off's comment "allah or the prophet (sometimes it becomes difficult to understand who is who in the Qur'an) have categorically stated that no other religion except islam is acceptable to them." to explain that the meaning of Islam and Muslim in the Quran is not what you or the bigots among the Muslims think it is, but it is inclusive of all those who submit to Allah by any name.

    You are arguing against this explanation and have even accused the author of verse 3:85 as a supremacist!

    I guess, the most offended by it are not the non-Muslims but the bigots among the Muslims who consider all non-Muslims as kafir who must be scandalized by what I say.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/11/2019 10:45:58 PM



  • Just Islamic hypocracy who chanted 5 times this slogan
    la ilaha illallah muhammad rasulullah
    and here preaching others such dialog that Muslims should refrain from seeing themselves as superior to non muslims, what about their sentiments and religious belief.
    By Virat - 1/11/2019 9:06:54 PM



  • The verse below support anyone who do righteous deed and have faith in Allah will enter into heaven: Chapter 4 The Women سورة النساء - An-Nisa: Verse 124 وَمَنْ يَعْمَلْ مِنَ الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْ ذَكَرٍ أَوْ أُنْثَىٰ وَهُوَ مُؤْمِنٌ فَأُولَٰئِكَ يَدْخُلُونَ الْجَنَّةَ وَلَا يُظْلَمُونَ نَقِيرًا If any do deeds of righteousness,- be they male or female - and have faith, they will enter Heaven, and not the least injustice will be done to them." As the phrase, If any...be they male or female, in Quran 4:124 does not restrict itself to only people in Islam, it implies it should cover also other people who believe in Allah and yet join other religions. The phrase, they will enter Heaven, here implies they shall have a place in paradise. By zuma - 1/11/2019 1:46:33 PM



  • Weird!  Quran seems to imply Allah wants people to love their enemies.  The following is the extract:
    عَسَى اللَّهُ أَنْ يَجْعَلَ بَيْنَكُمْ وَبَيْنَ الَّذِينَ عَادَيْتُمْ مِنْهُمْ مَوَدَّةً ۚ وَاللَّهُ قَدِيرٌ ۚ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
    It may be that Allah will grant love (and friendship) between you and those whom ye (now) hold as enemies. For Allah has power (over all things); And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful. "
    The phrase, Allah will grant love between you and those whom ye hold as enemies, it implies Allah grants love also to enemies.
    The extract below supports Allah demands Muslims to deal justly and kindly to them that fight you not:
    لَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ لَمْ يُقَاتِلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَلَمْ يُخْرِجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ أَنْ تَبَرُّوهُمْ وَتُقْسِطُوا إِلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُقْسِطِينَ
    Allah forbids you not, with regard to those who fight you not for (your) Faith nor drive you out of your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them: for Allah loveth those who are just. "
    The phrase, Allah forbids you not...to those who fight you not...from dealing kindly and justly with them, here implies Allah demands Muslims to deal kindly and justly to those who fight you not.
    The extract below supports Allah forbids Muslims not to make friends with those who fight with you since they are those who do wrongly:
    إِنَّمَا يَنْهَاكُمُ اللَّهُ عَنِ الَّذِينَ قَاتَلُوكُمْ فِي الدِّينِ وَأَخْرَجُوكُمْ مِنْ دِيَارِكُمْ وَظَاهَرُوا عَلَىٰ إِخْرَاجِكُمْ أَنْ تَوَلَّوْهُمْ ۚ وَمَنْ يَتَوَلَّهُمْ فَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الظَّالِمُونَ
    Allah only forbids you, with regard to those who fight you for (your) Faith, and drive you out of your homes, and support (others) in driving you out, from turning to them (for friendship and protection). It is such as turn to them (in these circumstances), that do wrong.
    By zuma - 1/11/2019 1:28:37 PM



  • It is not necessary to call Hindus Muslims or Muslims Hindus in order to attain inter-faith understanding.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/11/2019 11:19:07 AM



  • If RSS is not offended by being called Muslim who is and what then is the problem? If they are happy being considered as Muslims and we have no objection in being considered by them as Hindu, then we have achieved Hindu Muslim unity? By Naseer Ahmed - 1/11/2019 1:02:54 AM



  • The extracts below demand people to put their trust in Allah:
    Chapter 26 The Poets سورة الشعراء - Ash-Shuara: Verse 217
    وَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى الْعَزِيزِ الرَّحِيمِ
    And put thy trust on the Exalted in Might, the Merciful,- '
    Chapter 27 THE ANT سورة النمل - An-Naml: Verse 79
    فَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۖ إِنَّكَ عَلَى الْحَقِّ الْمُبِينِ
    So put thy trust in Allah: for thou art on (the path of) manifest Truth.
    Chapter 67 The Sovereignty سورة الملك - Al-Mulk: Verse 29
    قُلْ هُوَ الرَّحْمَٰنُ آمَنَّا بِهِ وَعَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلْنَا ۖ فَسَتَعْلَمُونَ مَنْ هُوَ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُبِينٍ
    Say: "He is (Allah) Most Gracious: We have believed in Him, and on Him have we put our trust: So, soon will ye know which (of us) it is that is in manifest error."
    The extracted verse even mentions Allah loves those who put their trust in him:
    Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 159
    فَبِمَا رَحْمَةٍ مِنَ اللَّهِ لِنْتَ لَهُمْ ۖ وَلَوْ كُنْتَ فَظًّا غَلِيظَ الْقَلْبِ لَانْفَضُّوا مِنْ حَوْلِكَ ۖ فَاعْفُ عَنْهُمْ وَاسْتَغْفِرْ لَهُمْ وَشَاوِرْهُمْ فِي الْأَمْرِ ۖ فَإِذَا عَزَمْتَ فَتَوَكَّلْ عَلَى اللَّهِ ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَوَكِّلِينَ
    It is part of the Mercy of Allah that thou dost deal gently with them Wert thou severe or harsh-hearted, they would have broken away from about thee: so pass over (Their faults), and ask for (Allah's) forgiveness for them; and consult them in affairs (of moment). Then, when thou hast Taken a decision put thy trust in Allah. For Allah loves those who put their trust (in Him)."
    Chapter 85 The Mansions of the stars سورة البروج - Al-Burooj: Verse 11
    إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ لَهُمْ جَنَّاتٌ تَجْرِي مِنْ تَحْتِهَا الْأَنْهَارُ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ الْفَوْزُ الْكَبِيرُ
    For those who believe and do righteous deeds, will be Gardens; beneath which rivers flow: That is the great Salvation, (the fulfilment of all desires), By zuma - 1/10/2019 11:27:50 PM



  • Does Allah have supremacism for Islam over those religions that exercise their faith in Allah and do good deeds?

    لِيَجْزِيَ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ مِنْ فَضْلِهِ ۚ إِنَّهُ لَا يُحِبُّ الْكَافِرِينَ
    That He may reward those who believe and work righteous deeds, out of his Bounty. For He loves not those who reject Faith. "
    The phrase, He may reward those who believe and work righteous deeds, as mentioned here implies Allah's love is towards those who believe in him and do good deeds since he shall reward them.  If Allah has supremacism for Islam over those who believe in Allah and do righteous deeds yet join other religions, why should this verse mention Allah shall reward all of them and this verse does not restrict his rewards only to those who are in Islam?
    By zuma - 1/10/2019 4:38:13 PM



  • Allah loves those who believe in him and do righteous deeds. The following is the extract: Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 76 بَلَىٰ مَنْ أَوْفَىٰ بِعَهْدِهِ وَاتَّقَىٰ فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ يُحِبُّ الْمُتَّقِينَ Nay.- Those that keep their plighted faith and act aright,-verily Allah loves those who act aright. The phrase, Allah loves those who act aright, as mentioned here implies Allah's love does not bias against those who do not join Islam yet believe in Allah and do good deeds. By zuma - 1/10/2019 4:23:45 PM



  • Does Quran support Islam is supremacism over to other religions even though they do believe in Allah and do righteous deeds?

    قُلْ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُحِبُّونَ اللَّهَ فَاتَّبِعُونِي يُحْبِبْكُمُ اللَّهُ وَيَغْفِرْ لَكُمْ ذُنُوبَكُمْ ۗ وَاللَّهُ غَفُورٌ رَحِيمٌ
    Say: "If ye do love Allah, Follow me: Allah will love you and forgive you your sins: For Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful." View more verses

    The phrase, love Allah...Follow me...Allah will love you and forgive you your sins, in the verse implies Allah's love does not bias against other religions if they love God.  The phrase, Allah will..forgive you your sins, in the same verse implies Allah will forgive those who believe in him and do righteous deeds.  As Allah shall forgive them, should Muslims then discriminate against all other religions who believe in Allah and do good deeds?

    By zuma - 1/10/2019 4:20:25 PM



  • But you are the one who is taking the same position that the RSS has! Both you and the RSS say that you can call others whatever you wish, irrespective of their wishes!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/10/2019 11:16:58 AM



  • So, you would like to twist the meaning of the Quran to please the  RSS?
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/10/2019 2:18:50 AM



  • The vast majority of Muslims would not like to be called "Hindus", and the vast majority of Hindus would not like to be called "Muslims". Why would anyone want to call them anything other than what they call themselves?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/10/2019 12:08:25 AM



  • They are of the same kind and made for each other. Are you one of them?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/9/2019 10:45:46 PM



  • The same kind of people who got offended when RSS leader Bhagwat said all Indian Muslims are Hindus.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/9/2019 1:12:09 PM



  • GM sb, What kind of people are offended when you say:
    1. Islam means submitting to Allah/God/Parmatma or the Creator by any name
    2. All those who do do are Muslim according to the Quran ?
    Those who hate the followers of Muhammad (pbuh) and would not like to be considered as part of them  are those who are offended.  This is reverse supremacism and you care for such supremacists.
    I would rather care for those who would be offended if excluded and are happy to be included.
    In any case, I only say what the Quran says, and who is pleased by it or offended by it is not my concern at all. The consequences of speaking the truth can only be good, as it is Allah's truth, and Allah's responsibility to ensure that only good results from speaking His truth. By Naseer Ahmed - 1/9/2019 2:40:42 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    Islam does not live in a vacuum. Muslims are a part of the world community. We cannot go on parroting words when we know they are offensive to others. 
    You  use the Quran to assume an authoritative and arrogant attitude, but the Quran itself does not endorse such an attitude.
    By the way, God is supreme. The question of being a supremacist does not arise in relation to God. It arises in relation to various religions.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/8/2019 2:33:56 PM



  • According to a Hadith, the Prophet said, “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab and neither for a non-Arab over an Arab; also there is no superiority of a white man over a black man, neither for a black man over a white man except by piety (Taqwa)”.
    -------------
    We must substitute the following.
    as long as they are Muslims. 
    Non-Muslims have no place in the mind of Mohammed.
    By dr.A.Anburaj - 1/8/2019 6:21:07 AM



  • Those are your concerns GM Sb, not mine. My concern is only with presenting Islam and the Quran accurately. So, you insist on taking the meaning of Islam and Muslim restrictively simply because others do not like to be called Muslim, and taking such a restrictive meaning, you call Allah a supremacist for verse 3:85? How truly ridiculous! Give up your hypocrisy trying to please others and become a genuine Muslim. Your lack of integrity is appalling.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/8/2019 1:53:40 AM



  • There is a purpose in our asserting that we are not supremacists. It is that we want to have a dialogue with or better relations with other faiths. That means that we do not define for others what conditions they should meet in order to be favored by God. We do not assert that if they satisfy certain conditions they can be called "Muslims". Do they want to be called Muslims? When RSS supremo Bhagwat said that all Indian Muslims are Hindus, many Muslims strongly resented that. Being a non-supremacist implies being exquisitely aware of the sensitivities of others.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/8/2019 12:28:53 AM



  • GM sb says: "The phrase "submission to Allah" is not in 3:85. Out of seven translations, three mention it but four translations just use the word Islam without any qualification. We cannot pretend Islam is just submission and not a complete religion. Hence to say, "Ifanyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him," is supremacism.

    That is a verse from the Quran that GM sb insists on taking in a restrictive sense and calling it supremacism. Who is it then he is calling a supremacist except the author of the verse or Allah?

    The correct position however is that Islam does mean submission to Allah by any name, and Allah says in the Quran that all the previous prophets were Muslim, which make their followers who submit to Allah (by any name) also  Muslim.  How can such inclusivism of people of all faiths in the definition of Muslim be supremacism? To a sane person excluding them would be supremacism but GM sb is anything but sane. He has gone completely mad accusing Allah of being a supremacist.

    Here is the proof that all those who submit to Allah are Muslim:

    (21:108) Say: "What has come to me by inspiration is that your Allah is One Allah: will ye therefore aslimu (bow to His Will in Islam)?"

     (27:42) So when she (Queen Sheba) arrived, she was asked, "Is this thy throne?" She said, "It was just like this; and knowledge was bestowed on us in advance of this, and we have been muslimina (submitted to Allah in Islam)."

    (28:53) And when it is recited to them (People of the Book), they say: "We believe therein, for it is the Truth from our Lord: indeed we have been Muslims (bowing to Allah´s Will) from before this.

    (51:36) But We found not there any Muslim persons except in one house: (people of Lut)

    (2:128) "Our Lord! make of us Muslims, bowing to Thy (Will), and of our progeny a people Muslim, bowing to Thy (will); and show us our place for the celebration of (due) rites; and turn unto us (in Mercy); for Thou art the Oft-Returning, Most Merciful. (Prayer Of Ibrahim and Ismail)

    (3:52) When Jesus found Unbelief on their part He said: "Who will be My helpers to (the work of) Allah?" Said the disciples: "We are Allah´s helpers: We believe in Allah, and do thou bear witness that we are Muslims.

    (7:126) "But thou dost wreak thy vengeance on us simply because we (the magicians of Pharaoh)

     believed in the Signs of our Lord when they reached us! Our Lord! pour out on us patience and constancy, and take our souls unto thee as Muslims (who bow to thy will)!  By Naseer Ahmed - 1/7/2019 11:01:08 PM



  • Allah loves all those who believe in him and work righteous deeds. The supporting quranic verse is: Chapter 19 Mary سورة مريم - Maryam: Verse 96 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَعَمِلُوا الصَّالِحَاتِ سَيَجْعَلُ لَهُمُ الرَّحْمَٰنُ وُدًّا On those who believe and work deeds of righteousness, will (Allah) Most Gracious bestow love. The phrase, those...believe and work...righteousness...will (Allah)...love, as mentioned here implies Allah loves those who believe in him and do righteous deeds. As this verse mentions Allah loves those who believe in him and do righteous, why should Muslims discriminate against those religions that are not Islam and yet believe in Allah and do righteous? None should treat Islam to have supremacism over other religions if they do believe in Allah and do righteous deed since Quran 19:96 mentions Allah loves them also. By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:34:04 PM



  • Quran 27:53 mentions Allah saves those who believe in Allah and do righteous deed. The following is the extract: Chapter 27 THE ANT سورة النمل - An-Naml: Verse 53 وَأَنْجَيْنَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا وَكَانُوا يَتَّقُونَ And We saved those who believed and practised righteousness. View more verses As Allah save all those who believe in Allah and do righteous deeds, why should Muslims condemn those who believe in Allah and yet join other religions not to associate with them? By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:26:19 PM



  • Chapter 10 Jonah سورة يونس - Yunus: Verse 84 وَقَالَ مُوسَىٰ يَا قَوْمِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ آمَنْتُمْ بِاللَّهِ فَعَلَيْهِ تَوَكَّلُوا إِنْ كُنْتُمْ مُسْلِمِينَ Moses said: "O my people! If ye do (really) believe in Allah, then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His)." The phrase, believe in Allah...then in Him put your trust if ye submit (your will to His), as mentioned here refers to anyone who believes in Allah and submit your will to Him or to obey Him. Can Muslims say they submit to his will and yet rebel his commandments and disobey him? By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:22:17 PM



  • Read carefully the extracted quranic verses, all of them condemn those who reject their faith in Allah instead of condemning other religions even though they believe in Allah too: Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 90 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ ثُمَّ ازْدَادُوا كُفْرًا لَنْ تُقْبَلَ تَوْبَتُهُمْ وَأُولَٰئِكَ هُمُ الضَّالُّونَ But those who reject Faith after they accepted it, and then go on adding to their defiance of Faith,- never will their repentance be accepted; for they are those who have (of set purpose) gone astray. Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 91 إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا وَمَاتُوا وَهُمْ كُفَّارٌ فَلَنْ يُقْبَلَ مِنْ أَحَدِهِمْ مِلْءُ الْأَرْضِ ذَهَبًا وَلَوِ افْتَدَىٰ بِهِ ۗ أُولَٰئِكَ لَهُمْ عَذَابٌ أَلِيمٌ وَمَا لَهُمْ مِنْ نَاصِرِينَ As to those who reject Faith, and die rejecting,- never would be accepted from any such as much gold as the earth contains, though they should offer it for ransom. For such is (in store) a penalty grievous, and they will find no helpers. By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:17:38 PM



  • Let's meditate Quran 3:86 below: Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 86 كَيْفَ يَهْدِي اللَّهُ قَوْمًا كَفَرُوا بَعْدَ إِيمَانِهِمْ وَشَهِدُوا أَنَّ الرَّسُولَ حَقٌّ وَجَاءَهُمُ الْبَيِّنَاتُ ۚ وَاللَّهُ لَا يَهْدِي الْقَوْمَ الظَّالِمِينَ How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted it and bore witness that the Messenger was true and that Clear Signs had come unto them? but Allah guides not a people unjust." The phrase, How shall Allah Guide those who reject Faith after they accepted, as mentioned here implies Allah does not accept those who reject their faith in Allah. Or in other words, it does not reject those religions who exercise their faith in him. As Quran 3:86 refers those who reject to believe in Allah to be unjust, how can Quran 3:85 place Muslims to have supremacism over other religions who do exercise their faith in Allah. Remember! Quran 3:86 only condemns those who reject their faith to believe in Allah instead of those who believe in Allah and yet join other religions. By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:14:47 PM



  • Many translations purposely place the word, Islam in Quran 3:85 to restrict it has to be from Islam. However, the phrase, submission to Allah, implies any who is in submission to God. If the word, Islam, has to be placed in Quran 3:85, it seems illogical in the sense why Quran 3:84 should mention it accepts people who exercise Judaism, i.e. Abraham Ismail, Moses, Jesus and etc. As Quran 3:84, "(mentions)...We make no distinction between them (or Moses or Jesus or etc.) and to...We..(in Islam)", it implies it it irrational for other translations to put the word, Islam, in Quran 3:85 to restrict itself has to be from Islam. Even if one insists Quran 3:85 has to be interpreted with the word, Islam, the phrase, in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good)", implies they will lose spiritual good from Allah instead of losing their lives. The loss of spiritual good can be the loss of spiritual blessing from Allah. By zuma - 1/7/2019 8:09:07 PM



  • Now Let us meditate Quran 3:84 as below: Chapter 3 The family of Imran سورة آل عمران - Aal-e-Imran: Verse 84 قُلْ آمَنَّا بِاللَّهِ وَمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَيْنَا وَمَا أُنْزِلَ عَلَىٰ إِبْرَاهِيمَ وَإِسْمَاعِيلَ وَإِسْحَاقَ وَيَعْقُوبَ وَالْأَسْبَاطِ وَمَا أُوتِيَ مُوسَىٰ وَعِيسَىٰ وَالنَّبِيُّونَ مِنْ رَبِّهِمْ لَا نُفَرِّقُ بَيْنَ أَحَدٍ مِنْهُمْ وَنَحْنُ لَهُ مُسْلِمُونَ Say: "We believe in Allah, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to Allah do we bow our will (in Islam)." The phrase, We believe in Allah....and was revealed to Abraham, Ismail, Isaac, Jacob between one and another among them, in Quran 3:84, it implies God has revealed to the Jews, i.e. Abraham, Moses, Isaac and etc., about God Himself. It implies that they are too the worshipers of God even though they are from Judaism. The subsequent phrase, We make no distinction between...them and...we...in Islam, it implies that Muslims make no difference between those who are in Judaism and Muslims. As Quran 3:84 mentions Muslims make no difference between those in Judaism and those in Islam, there is no reason assume Islam is the supermacism as compared to other religions. By zuma - 1/7/2019 7:58:40 PM



  • No doubt all other translations have placed the word, Islam, in Quran 3:85, they have to meditate other verses whether it matches the use of the word, Islam.  
    Let's meditate Quran 3:83 below:
    أَفَغَيْرَ دِينِ اللَّهِ يَبْغُونَ وَلَهُ أَسْلَمَ مَنْ فِي السَّمَاوَاتِ وَالْأَرْضِ طَوْعًا وَكَرْهًا وَإِلَيْهِ يُرْجَعُونَ
    Do they seek for other than the Religion of Allah?-while all creatures in the heavens and on earth have, willing or unwilling, bowed to His Will (Accepted Islam), and to Him shall they all be brought back."
    The phrase, other than the Religion of Allah, in Quran 3:83 refers those who worship Allah.  The phrase, the Religion of Allah, does not restrict itself has to be Islam.  The phrase, Religion of Allah, here can refer to a religion that worships God.  The phrase, Religion of Allah...bowing to His Will (Accepted Islam), here can mean anyone who is the worshiper of God is acceptable to Islam.

    By zuma - 1/7/2019 7:42:28 PM



  • Naseer sb. says, "(3:85) If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him,"

    The phrase "submission to Allah" is not in 3:85. Out of seven translations, three mention it but four translations just use the word Islam without any qualification. We cannot pretend Islam is just submission and not a complete religion. Hence to say, "If anyone desires a religion other than Islam, never will it be accepted of him," is supremacism.

    You make no sense when you accuse me of calling Allah a supremacist. I never did that. But if you call followers of other faiths "Muslims", that is supremacism.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/7/2019 1:09:45 PM



  • (3:85) If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him; and in the Hereafter He will be in the ranks of those who have lost (All spiritual good).

     (20:8) Allah! there is no god but He! To Him belong the most Beautiful Names.

    (17:110) Say: "Call upon Allah, or call upon Rahman: by whatever name ye call upon Him, (it is well): for to Him belong the Most Beautiful Names.

    GM Sb,

    If you consider Allah/God/Parmatma or whatever names He is known by a supremacist, for prohibiting mankind to submit to any other deity besides  Himself (by any name),  you are entitled to both your definition and your opinion. This is between you and the Creator.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/7/2019 4:12:35 AM



  • Mr. Watson,
    I read in newspaper today that tragic murder of 7-year-old black girl blamed on white man, called 'racist hate crime'
    cited as proof black people were being indiscriminately targeted by whites
    huge mass media, BLM, celebrity coverage
    ....finally turns out the shooter was black.
    infowars.com/white-supremacist-shooting-of-7-year-old-black-girl-gunman-turns-out-to-be-black/ By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/7/2019 4:01:41 AM



  • @Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi, there is no black supremacism at all. By Watson - 1/7/2019 2:56:20 AM



  • No matter the word ‘supremacism’ is used in several ways, if it is meant for arrogance or forcing others to change one’s ideas, it deserves condemnation. 

    By the way in my observation, the idea of supremacism covers a broader area where hardly a day goes by without someone having attitude of supremacism.

    The terms like white supremacism, black-supremacism, male-supremacism, national-supremacism, religious-supremacism, oh even the politician-supremacism, just see the political parties blaming and condemning one another. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/7/2019 2:21:27 AM



  • @Naseer sb,

    Crimes Against Humanity writes, “Fadi Abu Salah was 29 years old. Isarael killed him today. First they took his land, then they took his legs and today they took his life” (16 May 2018)

    Mr George Galloway comments on it, “The rapid descent into barbarism by the state of Israel has induced a kind of frenetic madness amongst its remaining supporters. Vituperation religious extremism supremacism false accusations hate-speech and outright racism. That’s all they have left folks. #IsraeliMassacre”

     This is supremacism.

    By Kaniz Fatma - 1/7/2019 2:02:04 AM



  • Naseer sb. says, "Without any doubt, no religion except Islam is acceptable to Allah the meaning of which is submission to Allah. "
    That is supremacism.
    He adds, "All religions that teach submission to the Creator,  are therefore Islam."
    That too is supremacism! By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/7/2019 12:54:28 AM



  • Hats Off naturally ignores what progressive Muslims are saying today and insists on digging up bigoted postures from the past! He is afraid that his playbook is not going to work for him for too long.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/7/2019 12:06:24 AM



  • There are words that we use, without knowing their meanings, or with the word having different meaning for those discussing a topic, which creates unnecessary misunderstanding.

    What is supremacism?

    Supremacism is not considering your religion superior, when, your religion is open to all. What stops others from adopting the same religion as yours, is that they consider their own religion superior, or your religion inferior.  If they also considered your religion as superior, but were prevented from adopting it, then that would be supremacism. People have their reasons for following/not following a religion, and considering theirs to be superior, is a legitimate reason and is not supremacism.

    Considering your lineage or race as superior, is however supremacism, because the same is not open to all.

    Rejecting a religion merely because it is of Arab origin, is supremacism. The non-Arabs who have adopted the religion originated in Arabia have done so because they are humble and not supremacists and because they consider this religion to be superior. Those who hate the non-Arabs for having adopted the religion originated in Arabia are supremacists, because their idea of superiority is linked to place of origin, and they are offended by those who have adopted a religion originated elsewhere. Eight five percent of the Muslims are non-Arabs, which is proof that at least 85% of the Muslims are humble non-supremacists.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/7/2019 12:02:08 AM



  • Without any doubt, no religion except Islam is acceptable to Allah the meaning of which is submission to Allah. Now, which religion teaches submission to Satan and not to God/Alllah/Parmatma or by whatever name they call Allah? All religions that teach submission to the Creator,  are therefore Islam

    You may even be agnostic, but choose to live a moral life paying obeisance to a higher Purpose/Being without calling it by any name.

    Without progressive revelations over the ages culminating in the complete and perfected religion, you don't even know right from wrong!

    It doesn't matter which version you follow. They all lead to the same goal. As far as corruption is concerned, every religion is corrupted by their corrupt followers which is why personal integrity is most important. 
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/6/2019 11:24:34 PM



  • As mentioned in Quran that Allah needs people to believe in him and do good deeds in order to enter into Paradise.  There is no double standard for Muslims to refrain from seeing themselves superior than Allah.  This is by virtue of Quran is meant for Allah's commandments for all Muslims to obey.  They do not treat non-Muslims superior than them not because non-Muslims who do not believe in Allah have the right to Paradise but because Allah wants Muslims to humble themselves.   By zuma - 1/6/2019 11:16:40 PM



  • This is very simple message. Yes God’s messages are the best. We should follow them without wasting time in arrogance.  This is fact and can be experimented and observed by the light of divine messages.

    By Kaniz Fatma - 1/6/2019 11:04:03 PM



  • it is double standards all the way! if

     everyone will get rewards for being good guys, there is no need for either islam or any "perfected" religion. no need to smash idols and raze temples to the ground.

    how they dance around without the guts to give a defenitive categorical answer!

    is idol worship and islam equal? why the need to believe in allah for doing good deeds? this whole exercise is to lull the credulous kuffar into sleep.

    allah or the prophet (sometimes it becomes difficult to understand who is who in the Qur'an) have categorically stated that no other religion except islam is acceptable to them. there seems to be some agreement between the prophet and his god on this issue.

    then why all that aggressive dawah all over europe and the ugly gloating when sinead o connor joins and why the curses when zayn malik leaves?

    religion destroys the capacity for honesty, frankness and forthrightness among its blinded followers.

    the evidence is all over the comments section.
    By hats off! - 1/6/2019 5:45:19 PM



  • I also endorse Ms Kaniz Fatma’s article which positively focuses on stopping the human beings from having superiority nature- the nature that falls under arrogance. Instead the believers should thank God Almighty Who sent the divine messages to guide them through the last Prophet –peace be upon him.

    Without worrying about others’ guidance or misguidance, one should focus on adhering to beautiful divine messages, such as humbleness, deep remembrance of God Almighty and of course without arrogance or supremacism. Supremacism is arrogance which might result into loss of faith as it took place with Iblis.  

    May God Almighty keep us on the Right Path!

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/6/2019 6:11:48 AM



  • We the human beings should do self-introspection and find out whether whatever we are doing in violation of the divine messages is the result of our supremacism or that of ignoring nature. If the ignoring nature is deemed to be allied with supremacism, then there is no human being in this entire world who is safe from being stuck with the idea of supremacism.

    The divine messages are of course the best of all the ideas of human beings. Yes the human beings who can’t even think beyond ‘time and space’ created by the only One Creator, let alone talking about coming out of them [time and space]

    In my opinion I have observed that those that are not true to God can’t be true to human beings.

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/6/2019 6:06:42 AM



  • If the human beings truly believe in God, they will have to believe the divine messages to be better than their own ideas. Otherwise it will be tantamount to seeing their ideas superior to God’s. In this case, one can easily observe that the atheists see themselves superior to God Almighty [Ma’az Allah]. Since they do not believe in God, this is a case for analysis that they must have had supremacism.

    Both the Creator and the created can’t be superior or non-superior at the same time. And we believe that there should be no idea of comparison and that the Creator is superior to the entire creation.

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/6/2019 6:05:37 AM



  • Don’t the human beings intentionally or unintentionally are stuck with supremacism when they wilfully reject or ignore the divine messages?

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/6/2019 6:05:03 AM



  • Only command of Allah or one hadith of the beloved Prophet [peace be upon him] on any issue or subject is enough for a believer to be practical.

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/6/2019 5:07:58 AM



  • Book #72, hadith #679, "...Allah will not look, on the day of resurrection, at a person...out of pride and arrogance." As this hadith verse mentions Allah will not look at a person out of pride and arrogance on the day of resurrection, do you think he shall look for those Muslims who are arrogant that they feel themselves above non-Muslims? Why? The reason is simple that Quran mentions Allah hates arrogance. By zuma - 1/6/2019 2:07:44 AM



  • As Quran 31:18, "(mentions)...Allah loveth not arrogant boaster.", Muslims cannot boast themselves that they are superior than non-Muslims.  Why?  Allah hates those Muslims who boast themselves that they are better than non-Muslims.  As none of the Muslims should boast themselves that they are superior than non-Muslims due to Allah hates them to behave like this, Muslims should refrain from seeing themselves superior than non-Muslims. By zuma - 1/6/2019 2:03:57 AM



  • The Treachery of Beliefs

    A person of integrity is superior to a person without integrity. That is the only criteria that matters. A person of integrity will espouse correct beliefs and act correctly no matter what his religion may be. A “believer” without integrity is a hypocrite, and worse than a “disbeliever”.

    It is your deeds alone that define you and a "believer" can be a "kafir" but one who does what is right and just irrespective of the consequences and even if doing so is against self-interest, is submitting to a purpose higher than himself, which is what Islam means, making such a person Muslim even though he may be agnostic.

    This may not be so in Islamic theology, but such a meaning  clearly comes through as the Message of the Quran as explained in my article below:

    1.       The Momineen and the Kafirin

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/5/2019 11:43:43 PM



  • When Muslims stop seeing Islam as being superior to other faiths, poor Hats Off will lose his life's mission!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/5/2019 11:27:18 PM



  • The extracted Quranic verses condemn those who are arrogant:
    وَلَا تُصَعِّرْ خَدَّكَ لِلنَّاسِ وَلَا تَمْشِ فِي الْأَرْضِ مَرَحًا ۖ إِنَّ اللَّهَ لَا يُحِبُّ كُلَّ مُخْتَالٍ فَخُورٍ
    "And swell not thy cheek (for pride) at men, nor walk in insolence through the earth; for Allah loveth not any arrogant boaster. 
    The same is in hadith verse below that Allah hates pride:
    Book #72, hadith #679, "...Allah will not look, on the day of resurrection, at a person...out of pride and arrogance."
    The same is in book #92, hadith #454, "...the man who keeps them just out of pride and for showing off, they are a source of sin."
    By zuma - 1/5/2019 10:21:19 PM



  • are muslims superior to idol worshipers, polytheists and ancestor worshipers?
    something sly here.
    is islam superior to judaism, christianity, fire worship or idlo worship?
    until this question is answered, no amount of taqiyya will do.
    By hats off! - 1/5/2019 7:34:03 PM



  • Just saying according to a Hadith is not enough. Plse reference n quote the hadith. Rgds By N S Brar - 1/5/2019 7:19:31 PM



  • Chapter 2 The Cow سورة البقرة - Al-Baqara: Verse 122 يَا بَنِي إِسْرَائِيلَ اذْكُرُوا نِعْمَتِيَ الَّتِي أَنْعَمْتُ عَلَيْكُمْ وَأَنِّي فَضَّلْتُكُمْ عَلَى الْعَالَمِينَ O Children of Israel! call to mind the special favour which I bestowed upon you, and that I preferred you to all others (for My Message). View more verses. Even though Quran 2:122 has high preference upon Israel, it is meant for those Jews who believe in Allah and do good deeds as mentioned in Quran 2:112 instead of do evil deeds. As Allah has high preference upon Jews and yet forbids them to do evil deeds, do you think Allah shall spare those Muslims not to good deeds but evil deeds in killing and even to rebel against Allah's commandments. By zuma - 1/5/2019 4:08:53 PM



  • Chapter 2 The Cow سورة البقرة - Al-Baqara: Verse 113 وَقَالَتِ الْيَهُودُ لَيْسَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَقَالَتِ النَّصَارَىٰ لَيْسَتِ الْيَهُودُ عَلَىٰ شَيْءٍ وَهُمْ يَتْلُونَ الْكِتَابَ ۗ كَذَٰلِكَ قَالَ الَّذِينَ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ مِثْلَ قَوْلِهِمْ ۚ فَاللَّهُ يَحْكُمُ بَيْنَهُمْ يَوْمَ الْقِيَامَةِ فِيمَا كَانُوا فِيهِ يَخْتَلِفُونَ The Jews say: "The Christians have naught (to stand) upon; and the Christians say: "The Jews have naught (To stand) upon." Yet they (Profess to) study the (same) Book. Like unto their word is what those say who know not; but Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. The Jews complain about Christians and Christians complain about the Jews to have nothing to stand upon. The phrase, Allah will judge between them in their quarrel on the Day of Judgment. Why should Allah judge Christians and Jews? The reason is simply that no doubt they believe in Allah, Quran 2:112 demands them to do good in order for them to go paradise. If they forbid in doing good, sorry for them. Even if they are Christians or Jews, they will be thrown into hell if they do evil deeds, i.e. killing Muslims or etc. By zuma - 1/5/2019 4:04:09 PM



  • Chapter 2 The Cow سورة البقرة - Al-Baqara: Verse 112 بَلَىٰ مَنْ أَسْلَمَ وَجْهَهُ لِلَّهِ وَهُوَ مُحْسِنٌ فَلَهُ أَجْرُهُ عِنْدَ رَبِّهِ وَلَا خَوْفٌ عَلَيْهِمْ وَلَا هُمْ يَحْزَنُونَ Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve. The word, whoever, refers to anybody and it includes whether you are sabians and Muslims. The subsequent phrase, whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good...He will get his reward with his Lord, implies anyone who believes in Allah and does good deeds will have their rewards to Allah. In other words, all will be accepted by Allah. By zuma - 1/5/2019 3:59:44 PM



  • As the phrase, None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian, in Quran 2:111 gives the falsified view that Jews or Christians whether they do good deeds or evil deeds can go paradise, it turns up the subsequent phrase, produce your proof if you are truthful, to mention those who proclaim it is truth should produce evidence.
    Besides, the phrase, None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian, in Quran 2:111 gives another falsified view that Muslims and sabians who believe in Allah and do good deeds cannot go to Paradise unless they are Jews or Christians and that is why the phrase, Produce your proof if you are truthful, is mentioned.
    By zuma - 1/5/2019 3:53:42 PM



  • Quran 2:111, "And they say, 'None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian.'  These are their own desires.  Say (O Muhammad), 'Produce your proof if you are truthful."
    The following are the reason why the above statements are true:
    First, none should say none shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian since anyone can enter into paradise as long as they believe in Allah and do good deeds whether they are Muslims or sabians or Hinduism or etc.  As anyone can enter into paradise as long as they believe in Allah and do good deeds, the word, none, should be removed since Muslims as well as all other religions can benefit it.  This Quran verse seems to limit only Muslims and Jews to have the right to Paradise.  However, Quran mentions anyone can go  in as long as they believe and do righteous deeds.

    Second, non-Muslims whether they are Jews or Christians were violent.  As they were violent and did evil deeds to fight with Muslims.  This statement warned them that it was not true for them to go Paradise due to the evil deeds that they produced since they fought with Muslims.
    Third, the statement, none should say none shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian, is not true since they must produce good deeds in order they can enter into paradise.  If they are Jews or Christians and yet do evil deeds, i.e. killing or stealing or etc., their destiny is still in hell.

    By zuma - 1/5/2019 3:40:11 PM



  • Excellent article! I also liked Naseer sb.'s comment.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/5/2019 12:02:28 PM



  • (2:110) And be steadfast in prayer and regular in charity: And whatever good ye send forth, ye shall find it with Allah: for Allah sees Well all that ye do.

    (111) And they say: "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful."

    (112) Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve.



    To verse 111, you can now add Muslim as well. So all those whether Muslim, Jew or Christian consider themselves as the only one's who will enter Paradise, this is only their vain thinking. The promise of Allah is to all those who submit to Allah and practice good deeds.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/5/2019 6:22:35 AM



  • Nice article. May Allah Almighty bless and help you to explore more facts. By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/5/2019 3:28:44 AM



  • @Jackson Mill
    Such big dialogue  and you also know how you care about other religions
    By MuthhuSwamy - 1/5/2019 3:23:47 AM



  • Then either the Muslims do not know Islam or ignore the Quranic beliefs. By MuthhuSwamy - 1/5/2019 3:21:31 AM



  • Nicely written. But no new verse or hadith to prove the point except the various times repeated ones.

    “No one who has the weight of a seed of arrogance in his heart will enter Paradise.”

    May we all be forgiven and shown the path treaded by the noble ones.

    By Jackson Mill - 1/5/2019 3:00:09 AM