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  • GM sb,

    You are mixing up love of God with "Light of God".

    You may see in the actions and deeds of great men such as Gandhi, Salman Taseer etc., that they are guided by the "Light of God" and love them for it.

    The distinction must however be made, that it is not man who sets the standard, but it is God, and when man/woman lives by the standard, you recognize the same and love the man/woman for it.

    The sense of beauty, harmony and proportion is also learnt from nature or from God's creations, and when you find the same beauty, proportion symmetry or harmony reflected in art, architecture or music, you appreciate it.

    Islamic way of appreciating excellence in man/woman is therefore also by praising Allah.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/16/2019 10:47:25 PM



  • Naseer sb.,
    Thanks for showing examples of how the phrase "Light of God" is used in the Quran.
    I had said, "For many of us however love of God is the same as love of beauty, same as love of goodness, same as love of righteousness. Naseer sb. however wants to restrict the meaning of "light of God" to suit his own narrow perspective." 
    So let me ask you now, do you see the light of God in Shakespeare, Mozart, the Taj Mahal, and Mona Lisa, as well as in Gandhi, the Dalai Lama and Governor Salmaan Taseer or not?
    If you think it is a stupid question, you don't have to answer.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/16/2019 1:31:36 PM



  • GM sb lies. Here are the verses I am listing once again that make clear the meaning of "Light of Allah". The Quran, revelations, inspiration of Allah to guide mankind and show the right path, is the Light of Allah.
    (42:52) And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee: thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur´an) a Light (nuran), wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,-

     (5:15) O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light (nuran) and a perspicuous Book, -

     (5:46) And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light (nurun), and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

     (61:8) Their intention is to extinguish Allah´s Light (nura) (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

      Note 2: Allah’s nur is His guidance

     (89:22) Is one whose heart Allah has opened to Islam, so that he has received Enlightenment from Allah (nūrin min rabbihi), (no better than one hard-hearted)? Woe to those whose hearts are hardened against celebrating the praises of Allah! they are manifestly wandering (in error)!

     (57:28) O ye that believe! Fear Allah, and believe in His Messenger, and He will bestow on you a double portion of His Mercy: He will provide for you a Light by which ye shall walk (straight in your path), and He will forgive you (your past): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

     (4:174) O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/15/2019 10:35:15 PM



  • Naseer sb. just offers further proof of his rudeness and boorishmess! And he does not quote any verses that define "the light of God"!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/15/2019 1:46:19 PM



  • And I cited half a dozen verses which make clear that "Light of God" means "Divine knowledge and guidance". 

    It is upto GM sb now to establish an alternate meaning from the Quran if he can. If he cannot, then he has no basis for saying "Naseer sb. . . .  wants to restrict the meaning of "light of God" to suit his own narrow perspective." 

    Ih he says such things without a basis, then he is a windbag. That is an accurate description and not abuse. And the fact is that he has no answer and the wind is knocked out of him which is bound to happen for the windbag.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/14/2019 10:07:24 PM



  • Naseer sb. is back to his deplorable abusive ways! That usually means he has run out of arguments. The Quran says, "God is the Light of the heavens and the earth" 24:35, but it does not go on to define t"he light of God". Hence I said, "Naseer sb. . . .  wants to restrict the meaning of "light of God" to suit his own narrow perspective."

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/14/2019 1:51:41 PM



  • Dumb comment from Hats Off! Being compatible does not require prescience about the double helix.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/13/2019 11:54:37 PM



  • The windbag GM sb has his wind taken out and is running away. This is what he said: "Naseer sb. however wants to restrict the meaning of "light of God" to suit his own narrow perspective."

    So, go ahead and establish the meaning of "light of God" to prove that I am wrong.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/13/2019 10:37:35 PM



  • they mix thoroughly when horses fly and the prophet sits on the right hand side of god.

    if you looked closely you can even find the human genetic code in the Qur'an.

    actually watson crick borrowed the idea from the Qur'an.
    By hats off! - 1/13/2019 5:45:32 PM



  • Naseer sb., says, "It is the light that makes Truth stand out clear from Error (2:256)."

    2:256 says no such thing. His response is totally irrelevant to what is being discussed. It is doubtful if he understands anything that others say. He is more interested in boasting about his superior understanding. He is incapable of broadening his horizons.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/13/2019 12:46:09 PM



  • The Sciences and logic mix very well with the Qur'an  By Naseer Ahmed - 1/13/2019 2:08:40 AM



  • Can there be any doubt about the meaning of any verse or the meaning of any word from the Quran?  If there was any doubt or need to interpret, or a word in any verse open to multiple meanings, the Quran would be poetry and not Allah’s word. The proof of Allah’s attribute of Oneness or Tawheed is in every verse and word from the Quran which have only a single clear meaning. Unfortunately, man treats the Quran as if it were poetry and takes whatever meaning appeals to him!

     The light of Allah is not Allah Himself, nor a woman, nor beauty, but knowledge and guidance from Allah. It is the light that makes Truth stand out clear from Error (2:256). It is available only to the seekers of Allah’s light and the non-seekers remain in darkness which is why the metaphor of the lamp rather than that of the Sun.

    (2:257) Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

     The absence of Allah’s light is aptly described as darkness upon darkness as follows:

     (24:40) Or (the state of those who are without Allah’s light) is like the depths of darkness in a vast deep ocean, overwhelmed with billow topped by billow, topped by (dark) clouds: depths of darkness, one above another: if a man stretches out his hands, he can hardly see it! for any to whom Allah giveth not light, there is no light!

     Allah’s light is further explained as follows:

     Allah’s nur is His revelations or Books of scriptures

     (42:52) And thus have We, by Our Command, sent inspiration to thee: thou knewest not (before) what was Revelation, and what was Faith; but We have made the (Qur´an) a Light, wherewith We guide such of Our servants as We will; and verily thou dost guide (men) to the Straight Way,-

     (5:15) O people of the Book! There hath come to you our Messenger, revealing to you much that ye used to hide in the Book, and passing over much (that is now unnecessary): There hath come to you from Allah a (new) light and a perspicuous Book, -

     (5:46) And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.

     (61:8) Their intention is to extinguish Allah´s Light (by blowing) with their mouths: But Allah will complete (the revelation of) His Light, even though the Unbelievers may detest (it).

      Note 2: Allah’s nur is His guidance

     (89:22) Is one whose heart Allah has opened to Islam, so that he has received Enlightenment from Allah (nūrin min rabbihi), (no better than one hard-hearted)? Woe to those whose hearts are hardened against celebrating the praises of Allah! they are manifestly wandering (in error)!

     (57:28) O ye that believe! Fear Allah, and believe in His Messenger, and He will bestow on you a double portion of His Mercy: He will provide for you a Light by which ye shall walk (straight in your path), and He will forgive you (your past): for Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

     (4:174) O mankind! verily there hath come to you a convincing proof from your Lord: For We have sent unto you a light (that is) manifest.

     And you are wrong about art, poetry and music. I have a better understanding about these subjects than you. If the Quran is misquoted ever so slightly, I can catch the mistake. The same is with Ghalib’s poetry. You cannot pass off a non-Ghalib couplet claiming it to be Ghalib’s.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/13/2019 12:01:11 AM



  • Naseer sb. wants us to keep poetry and the Quran separate, walled off from each other. His mind is compartmentalized into God knows how many compartments! He is not only an expert on and a guardian of the Quran but he wants to keep the Quran separate from all our other intellectual and artistic pursuits. For many of us however love of God is the same as love of beauty, same as love of goodness, same as love of righteousness. Naseer sb. however wants to restrict the meaning of "light of God" to suit his own narrow perspective.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/12/2019 1:02:19 PM



  • The light of God is neither beauty nor a woman. It is knowledge from the divine that shows us the difference between right and wrong. It is what dispels the darkness of ignorance. The parable of light is not about “containment”. It is about enhancing the effect or about “Light upon Light”. What constitutes divine knowledge is:

    ·        The bare moral principle for which the metaphor is the olive oil which is self-radiant without fire touching it. The source is a tree which is neither from the east nor the west meaning the source of this knowledge is not the earth but the Heavens or divine,

    ·        The teaching is through words, and the words contain the message, preserve it and make the message clear. The metaphor for this is the glass whose function in a lamp is also to contain and protect the flame without diminishing or distorting its light.

    ·        The lighting of the lamp is the manner in which the Quran elucidates the bare moral principle making it come alive and as clear as light.

    ·        The meaning of light upon light is now very clear.

    Let us take an example:

    The bare moral teaching: Be kind to parents

    How the Quran teaches the same: Thy Lord hath decreed that ye worship none but Him, and that ye be kind to parents. Whether one or both of them attain old age in thy life, say not to them a word of contempt, nor repel them, but address them in terms of honour. (Quran 17:23) And, out of kindness, lower to them the wing of humility, and say: "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood." (Quran 17:24)

     

    The commandments for the Islamic way of life are not just simple do’s and don’ts. These describe vividly the best way to follow the principles. The command describes the body language that is appropriate (lower the wings of humility) – once such a posture is assumed, can a person misbehave? The command says that even the expression of impatience such as saying uf (just a sound emitted which means the equivalent of “Oh No!”)is to be avoided at the mistakes the elderly often make. It says that only words of honour are to be used with parents such as “beloved father/mother”. And how beautiful is the prayer that is taught! "My Lord! bestow on them thy Mercy even as they cherished me in childhood". The prayer reminds us of how our parents cherished us in our childhood which primes us or puts us in the frame of mind to behave towards them in the same kindly manner overlooking their infirmities, follies, forgetfulness, repetitiveness, sensitivity and many other afflictions of old age that require our constant attention, love, care and patience.

     

    The unparalleled excellence with which the Quran teaches us the moral way of living is at several levels. The first level is the principle itself which is illuminating in itself like the olive oil from a sacred tree. The second level is the use of imagery created with words and using the most effective devices of the psychology of influence such as priming and through reinforcement by repeating the message but in different ways and in different contexts to make the point clear and beyond doubt. The third level is the linguistic excellence and all of these within the framework of a complete and self-sufficient system of belief in a God who is the Creator, Sustainer, Helper, Law Giver, the source of all power, the Wise, the Aware, the Knower, the Just, the Merciful, the one who Rewards, the Forgiver, the Lord of the Day of Judgment and with many more attributes. The Quran sheds light on many truths but specially on the complete way of living a moral life and the source of this knowledge/light is Allah Himself. Verse 24:35 describes precisely this.

     

    The next verse says that “Lit is such a light in houses where God is remembered excessively” meaning in places of worship and not in places frequented by the poets to enjoy the beauty of a woman.

     

    To mix the divine with the profane is always the endeavour of Iblis. Recognise the difference between the divine and the profane or between what is from God and what is from Iblis. This is not easy Mr Watson going by the number of popes who have fathered illegitimate children and the Catholic clergy in general, immersed in sexual excesses of the worst kind.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/12/2019 12:38:28 AM



  • GM sb,  Will you ever understand anything at all? The poets and their poetry is fine. However, no poetry, not even Iqbal's, mixes well with the Quran. Keep these separate if you want to understand the Quran correctly.
    And I don't think you understand Ghalib's poetry either. It is more about self-love but he has a way with words that make it attractive and a source of enjoyment. His poetry is cheeky, mischievous but even when it is about love and a woman, he remains Ghalib (meaning dominates)
    dekhiyo ;Gaalib se gar uljhaa ko))ii
     hai valii poshiidah aur kaafir khulaa
    [watch out, if anybody tangles with Ghalib!
     the saint is hidden and the infidel, revealed].
    “रोने से और इश्क़ में बेबाक हो गये,
    धोये गये हम ऐसे कि बस पाक हो गये.
    “Bazeecha-e-atfal hai duniya mere aage,
    Hota hai shab-o-roz tamasha mere aage”
    ishq mujh ko nahīñ vahshat hī sahī  (it is not love but only lust (if you say so) )
    merī vahshat tirī shohrat hī sahī (Even so, let my lust be the cause of your fame!) By Naseer Ahmed - 1/11/2019 11:56:01 PM



  • Will you use Islam to take away the freedom and oceanic love of Ghalib?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/11/2019 11:49:37 AM



  • The Quran's verses are about marital love and bliss. Why do the poets never write poetry about marital love and bliss? Why is it always about a lover who is not spouse?  All these poets were married but their poetry is never about their wife. The most passionate love poetry is not even about the love of a woman but about the love of a boy I believe! And they mix up these illicit loves with the love of God! Truly worshipers of Satan Mr Watson. 
    Satan even makes people believe that the sexual act itself is worship which is why the satanic rites involve sexual acts.
    (2:27) O ye Children of Adam! Let not Satan seduce you, in the same manner as He got your parents out of the Garden, stripping them of their raiment, to expose their shame: for he and his tribe watch you from a position where ye cannot see them: We made the evil ones friends (only) to those without faith.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/11/2019 2:32:33 AM



  • An unequal relationship does not exclude marital bliss but at what price to the woman?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/10/2019 11:22:29 AM



  • Who is this Naseer?
    Such attitude of him has created havoc and destruction in the Muslim world. 
    People like you are intolerant, idiot which is why you are supporting Talibani agenda of killing all who are non Talibans.
    Completely idiot man inspired by satanic thought!
    By Watson - 1/10/2019 3:04:58 AM



  • The best description of man-woman relationship is to be found in the Quran and not in any poetry.

    (30:21) And among His Signs is this, that He created for you mates from among yourselves, that ye may dwell in tranquillity with them, and He has put love and mercy between your (hearts): verily in that are Signs for those who reflect.

    Those who are blessed with a happy marriage know what bliss is and the meaning of Allah's Inam or gift which in this world cannot be greater than a loving spouse.

    What is Rumi's poetry or any poetry except falsehood and utter nonsense? How can the light of God make men lust? They make God also the object of lust and in their poetry He is the beloved! These are people high on drugs hallucinating and worshiping Iblis. There is no difference between Iblis and Rumi
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/10/2019 2:38:34 AM



  • Allah Almighty says,

    “And keep the prayer established and pay the obligatory charity and obey the Noble Messenger, in the hope of attaining mercy” (24:56)
    By Kaniz Fatma - 1/10/2019 12:31:50 AM



  • "Iblis sees the light of God shining through woman and can see how men will succumb to lust. But this does not lead Rumi into pious moralising on the sins of the flesh, and his solution for containing beauty is not to demand that women be covered up and closeted away. Rumi invites men to see women for who they really are rather than as sex objects: Woman is a ray of God. She is not just created, she is creative."
    Who is right, Iblis or Rumi?
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/9/2019 12:41:31 PM