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Radical Islamism and Jihad (19 Jan 2019 NewAgeIslam.Com)




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  • Naseer sb.,
    My comment, ""Naseer sb. says a debaser only debases himself. That is good advice for him to follow himself. But then when he debases others he claims that he is being truthful!!!!! That makes him an arrogant debaser," was truthful and very appropriate. However, I respect your right to not respond to it if you do not wish to respond.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/23/2019 1:50:22 PM



  • GM sb, your comment is offensive and uncalled for  and does not deserve any other  response except the response I gave.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/22/2019 10:27:18 PM



  • Naseer sb.,

    Your abusive comment did not respond at all to what I had said.

    Here is what I had said:

    "Naseer sb. says a debaser only debases himself. That is good advice for him to follow himself. But then when he debases others he claims that he is being truthful!!!!! That makes him an arrogant debaser."

    What I said was simple enough. If you have a response, I would like to hear it.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/22/2019 12:26:47 PM



  • GM sb is stalking me in five different threads with nothing worthwhile to say. The windbag has infinite capacity to go on arguing ad infinitum ad nauseum. He is like a person who goes around wearing a T shirt  that reads "KICK ME", and will not let go of you unless he is kicked. He then cries out "I have been kicked!"

    He repeats this game each time. You can see that our exchanges run into more than 100 before I kick him. He is then happy with the "payoff" and the opportunity to cry out "I have been kicked".

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/21/2019 10:32:59 PM



  • Naseer sb. says a debaser only debases himself. 
    That is good advice for him to follow himself. But then when he debases others he claims that he is being truthful!!!!! That makes him an arrogant debaser.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/21/2019 4:50:07 PM



  • Without using Quran to interpret, weird teaching can derive from hadith alone: Narrated 'Abdullah: The Prophet said one statement and I said another. The Prophet said "Whoever dies while still invoking anything other than Allah as a rival to Allah, will enter Hell (Fire)." And I said, "Whoever dies without invoking anything as a rival to Allah, will enter paradise." (Book #60, Hadith #24) The phrase, Whoever dies without invoking anything as a rival to Allah, can refer to those who do not believe in Allah yet die without invoking anything as a rival to Allah by warring against him can have the chance to enter into paradise. It turns up that believing in Allah and do good deeds are not necessary to paradise. The main source for them to enter into paradise is whether they invoke anything as a rival to Allah, i.e. battle against his people, before they die.
    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:59:00 AM



  • The hadith verse below even gives the weird view that only 700,000 of Muslims can go paradise and the rest cannot have the chance to go paradise: Narrated Sahl bin Sad: The Prophet said, "Verily! 70,000 or 700,000 of my followers will enter paradise altogether; so that the first and the last amongst them will enter at the same time, and their faces will be glittering like the bright full moon." (Book #54, Hadith #470)
    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:50:40 AM



  • More examples to prove how unreliable to use merely hadith for interpretation: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah welcomes two men with a smile; one of whom kills the other and both of them enter paradise. One fights in Allah's Cause and gets killed. Later on Allah forgives the 'killer who also get martyred (In Allah's Cause)." (Book #52, Hadith #80) The phrase, two men...one of whom kills the other and both of them enter paradise..One fight in Allah's Cause and get killed, implies one fights with Allah's cause and another might not. Yet both of them go paradise. It would give a false teaching that people who fight can go paradise and needs not to believe in Allah. Whether they believe in Allah or not, it does not matter. Both fight will have the chance to paradise and it does not matter whether one fights in Allah's cause and another is not.
    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:44:53 AM



  • Never use hadith alone for interpretation since it can derive with false teaching. The following is the extract: Narrated Abu Huraira: Allah's Apostle said, "Allah has ninety-nine names, i.e. one-hundred minus one, and whoever knows them will go to paradise." (Please see Hadith No. 419 Vol. 8) (Book #50, Hadith #894) Quran demands people to believe in Allah and do good deeds to enter into paradise. Yet the phrase, whoever knows them will go to paradise, in book #50, hadith #894, implies people need not to believe in Allah and do good deeds in order to go paradise. The phrase, Allah has ninety-nine names...whoever knows them will go to paradise, in the book #50, hadith #894, implies people can go to paradise by knowing Allah's name without believing in him and do good deeds.
    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:36:16 AM



  • The first and foremost usul al-hadith should be to ignore the hadiths when the subject is covered by the Quran and go entirely by the Quran since:

     (25:33) And no question do they bring to you but We reveal to you the truth and the best explanation (thereof).

     Every saying of the Prophet appears to be his response to a questioner before Allah provided the best answer in the Quran through revelation. You will therefore find that every saying of the Prophet (pbuh) on a subject covered by the Quran, falls short of the complete and best answer provided in the Quran, and is sometimes the opposite of what the Prophet (pbuh) said, or wanted. The Prophet himself therefore forbade writing down his sayings since these were his opinion before Allah revealed the correct answer


    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/21/2019 4:34:31 AM



  • Never rely merely on hadith since weird teaching can come out from hadith without relying Quran: Narrated Anas bin Malik: The Prophet led us in prayer and then went up to the pulpit and beckoned with both hands towards the Qibla of the mosque and then said, "When I started leading you in prayer, I saw the display of paradise and Hell on the wall of the mosque (facing the Qibla). I never saw good and bad as I have seen today." He repeated the last statement thrice. (Book #12, Hadith #716) Can anyone conclude that they can find paradise and hell on the wall of a mosque since the phrase, the display of paradise and hell on the wall of the mosque, is mentioned in the book #12, hadith #716?
    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:25:07 AM



  • Direct interpretation with merely hadith would lead to weird teaching:
    Narrated Abu Murra: (the freed slave of Um Hani) Um Hani, the daughter of Abi Talib said, "I went to Allah's Apostle in the year of the conquest of Mecca and found him taking a bath and his daughter Fatima was screening him. I greeted him. He asked, 'Who is she?' I replied, 'I am Um Hani bint Abi Talib.' He said, 'Welcome! O Um Hani.' When he finished his bath he stood up and prayed eight Rak at while wearing a single garment wrapped round his body and when he finished I said, 'O Allah's Apostle ! My brother has told me that he will kill a person whom I gave shelter and that person is so and so the son of Hubaira.' The Prophet said, 'We shelter the person whom you have sheltered.' " Um Ham added, "And that was before noon (Duha)."  (Book #8, Hadith #353)
    Can a person kill anyone who uses shelter to protect himself since the phrase, he will kill a person whom I gave shelter, is mentioned in the book #8, hadith #353?  Does this seem weird to even muslim extremists?  This is the result of using merely hadith for interpretation.  This shows that false teaching could appear by using merely hadith instead of interpret it with the assistance of Quran.

    By zuma - 1/21/2019 4:08:35 AM



  • Never read hadith alone since it would lead to misinterpretation.  Let's take a look the hadith verse below:
    Narrated 'Ikrima: Some Zanadiqa (atheists) were brought to 'Ali and he burnt them. The news of this event, reached Ibn 'Abbas who said, "If I had been in his place, I would not have burnt them, as Allah's Apostle forbade it, saying, 'Do not punish anybody with Allah's punishment (fire).' I would have killed them according to the statement of Allah's Apostle, 'Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him.'"  (Book #84, Hadith #57)"
    This verse seems to imply anyone that changes Islamic religion has to be killed.
    However, this interpretation does not sound logically since the phrase, his Islamic religion should refer to the one who proclaim this statement.  How can a person calls someone to kill another if someone changes his religion to another religion?  The reason is simply the person has turned up to be in another religion and there is no reason how he can call others to kill him whereby his religion is changed.  Quran forbids Muslims to do evil deeds and there is no reason for this hadith verse means he calls someone to kill him since he has changed his religion.  Thus, the rational interpretation of this verse should be non-Muslims in the past were very violent and wanted to wipe out Muslims and that caused them to have no choice to defend themselves to kill those who wanted to wipe out their Islamic religion.  However, this hadith verse has no implication for modern days since non-Muslims are no longer violent.  Thus, there is no reason for Muslims to use this hadith verse to comment on killing.

    By zuma - 1/21/2019 1:52:17 AM



  • Ms Kaniz Fatma,
    Leave Justin alone. He debases only himself by what he says.
    However, if he can justify his "abuse" with proper evidence, then he is entitled to do so.
    (4:148) Allah loves not that evil (bil-sūi mina l-qawli) should be noised abroad in public speech, except by (zulima) one who has been wronged ; for Allah is He who hears and knows all things.
    With justification, a wronged person is at liberty to "abuse",  but he better justify and be justified.
    Else, he only debases himself and will have to settle his account with the wronged person on the Day of Judgment.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/21/2019 1:04:32 AM



  • You are right Shahin sb and the problem lies with some of the hadiths and how the Quran is misinterpreted based on those hadiths. The most damaging being "I have been commanded to fight......"
    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/20/2019 11:28:41 PM



  • What is wrong in the way the world is tacking terrorism?


    By Kaniz Fatma - 1/20/2019 9:55:16 PM



  • @Mr. Justin,

    You should not use such words for any human being, whether you believe him scholar or not. 

    There are of course Muslims who are fighting against terrorism by putting their lives in danger. The fact and problem with Muslims is rightly discussed in a speech delivered by Mr. Sultan Shahin, founder of newageislam.com at UNHRC, Geneva.

    He says,
    "Quran, Hadith, and classical Fiqh (jurisprudence) all agree that while there is no concept of an Islamic state in Islam, only the rulers of a legitimate Muslim state can take decisions for perpetrating any kind of violence, either in a war against another state or against individuals in order to impart justice. In classical fiqh (jurisprudence) no individual or group is empowered to take any violent action on its own.But today, violence in various forms is tolerated by the community in the name of Islam. A terrorist has only to quote something from scriptures in justification, without even a reference to context, and his vile acts are forgiven....."
    to read full speech click the link below

    http://newageislam.com/d/116379


    By Kaniz Fatma - 1/20/2019 8:38:05 PM



  • Sultan Shahin: "The one and only difference is that the militant ideologues are more honest, while others are hypocritical."
    Do you not think before speaking???????
    your words make us think that you too are hypocritical when you are not like militant ideologues.
     

    By W. Hallaq - 1/20/2019 8:06:05 PM



  • @Sultan Shahin - 1/20/2019 8:31:17 AM
    you said well but your paid writer Naseer is the biggest hypocrite on this site and the biggest liar obsessed with his supremacism. 
    to please your non muslim friends even you change the meaning of Quran that is your business. which Islam you are following that you are alone on this path and the rest of the world does not agree with you?

    By W. Hallaq - 1/20/2019 7:54:39 PM



  • Sultan Shahin saheb says, "Almost the entire Islamic theology that has evolved over 1200 years, the Sufi, Salafi, Militant, basically all of them agree on Islam-Supremacism and Muslims' religious duty to cleanse the world of idol-worshippers including ahl-kitab."

    That is sad even if true. Progressive Muslims have a duty to reject and condemn such ideas openly and unambiguously. That is not our Islam.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/20/2019 12:41:47 PM



  • Of course, Ghulam Mohiyuddin Saheb, there are two sides to this debate and the stronger side is the one promoted by the ulema. Almost the entire Islamic theology that has evolved over 1200 years, the Sufi, Salafi, Militant, basically all of them agree on Islam-Supremacism and Muslims' religious duty to cleanse the world of idol-worshippers including ahl-kitab. The one and only difference is that the militant ideologues are more honest, while others are hypocritical. Among the non-militant theologians, there were honourable exceptions like the late Dr Israr Ahmad of Pakistan. For instance, he was the one theologian who accepted that non-Muslims are second class citizens, and rightly so, all the rest know that and consider it correct, but hem and haw when asked about it.  
    By Sultan Shahin - 1/20/2019 8:31:17 AM



  • Naseer guy is completely living in the world of ignorance to shatter his low and poor scholarship.
    He looks to be paid writer and ridiculous scholar

    By Justin - 1/20/2019 7:16:15 AM



  • Let me put the record straight. The Quran does not call the "martyr" shaheed or shuhuda or by any other word, but uses the description "qutelu fi sabi lillah" or "killed in the path of Allah". This description appears eleven times in the Quran.

    Shuhuda/Shaheed is used exclusively to mean witness or one who provides evidence of Islam in word and deed or for the exemplary Muslims. It is never used for those slain in the path of Allah.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 1/19/2019 11:54:18 PM



  • Why is it hard for our prestigious imams and ulama to proclaim loudly, unequivocally and repeatedly on radio, TV and loudspeakers the simple and brief assertion, "Killing innocent civilians and suicide bombing will take you straight to Hell!"
    Making it a topic of scholarly discussion only gives the impression that there are two sides to this debate.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 1/19/2019 1:09:14 PM