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  • Who according to you GM sb is an apostate?
    Why do you think that you are not one?
    What according to you is a Muslim?
    Do you claim to be a Muslim? If yes, what makes you say so?
    Calling an apostate an apostate is not abuse. He doesn't want me to do that because he is a hypocrite pretending to be a Muslim. I have asked him several times why does he not announce his apostasy but he lacks the honesty of a Rational Muhammad Yunus or Hats Off to do so. He is a snake in the garden. By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 9:46:38 PM



  • Poor Naseer sb.! He is reduced to calling me names, showing his total bankruptcy. Since he does not have any logical arguments, his next recourse is to try to make me shut up with his shameless personal attacks!

    I already explained to him how he is both  literalist and inventive, but he asks me the same question again. He is a literalist in his reading of the verses. However he is inventive in his lying. Whenever he is cornered, he comes up with an invention (i.e. a lie) to extricate himself from the situation. If even that does not work, he will call you a kafir or a friend of Satan! And he thinks he is doing God's work!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/8/2019 12:14:16 PM



  • This is a continuation of my discussion in comments:

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/4/2019 2:49:19 AM

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/7/2019 2:21:36 AM

    Continuing from my discussion of the Prophetic mission in four phases, it should be clear that the end result was not a certainty but became so only when the Mushrikin ganged up and besieged Medina with an intention to annihilate Islam and the Muslims. It was only at this stage, that it became Allah’s responsibility to complete the Prophetic mission with complete military victory of the Muslims over their enemy. This meant that all four phases would be completed and with it the deen of Allah, and therefore, Muhammad (pbuh) could be declared the seal of the Prophets. Before this, if the Mushrikin had agreed to desist from religious persecution and agreed not to hinder Muslims from the path of Allah, it would have been back to 109:6 “To you be your religion and to me mine” and peaceful co-existence which may or may not have lasted. If peace had lasted the lifetime of the Prophet, then he would not have been the seal of the prophets since the deen would have remained incomplete.  This discussion underlines the createdness of the Quran.

     

    Muslim scholarship without exception, however, takes a deterministic view, which is why they struggle with verses such as 109:6, “To you be your religion and to me mine”. Javed Ghamidi, a well-known moderate says:

    " The last verse of the Surah, it must be appreciated, is not an expression of tolerance; it expresses renunciation on the part of the Prophet (sws) and a warning to the disbelievers that they must now get ready to face the consequences of their obdurate denial."

     

    What he is saying effectively, is that 109:6 does not mean what it says but is a veiled warning of “wait and see now what we do to you”! This is because in a deterministic view, war with the Kafirin and their annihilation is inevitable, and therefore 109:6 cannot mean what it says. The deterministic view makes Islam an immoral religion of deceit

    Likewise, they have the same problem with:

    (8:38) Say to the kafaru, if (now) they desist (from religious persecution), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them).

    They twist is as follows:

     (8:38) Say to the kafaru, if (now) they desist (from disbelief and accept Islam), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them)

     

    And (8:39) And fight them on until there is no more religious persecution (fitna), and there prevail fully the deen of Allah; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

     

    Becomes:

    (39) And fight them on until there is no more “shirk”, and all worship is for Allah only; but if they cease, verily Allah doth see all that they do.

     

    This is because, in a deterministic view, what was possible was only what took place and nothing else. Any other scenario is unthinkable and therefore the verses that appear to be offering a real choice, are “interpreted” in such a manner, as to remove all choice from them.

     

    Extremism thrives for the same reason. The deterministic view moves only in one direction and cannot go back to a previous state and therefore, the Meccan verses are treated as abrogated! As a matter of fact, these are not even thought to have meant what they mean!

     

    Not getting the attribute of Al-Qadr right, has turned a moral religion into an immoral one. The question then is which god do we worship? The moral one or the immoral one? That is the difference it makes when we understand correctly or not, the important attributes of Allah.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 7:04:17 AM



  • in sofar as allah seems to have positive, negative, transcendental, algebraic, rational, irrational and complex attributes, he is only secondary to the number theory.
    numbers probably are gods, but that would be polytheism.
    infinite polytheism.
    By hats off! - 2/8/2019 6:38:44 AM



  • Can GM sb explain how literalism can be inventive?

    He is the dumb literalist who has failed to understand the meaning of

    "(2:7) Allah hath set a seal on their hearts and on their hearing, and on their eyes is a veil; great is the penalty they (incur).

    And when I explained that in terms of the laws of human behaviour, he called it inventive!

    So, isn’t GM sb who is both dumb and a liar?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 3:12:48 AM



  • Empty claims of a windbag  full of nonsense! 

     (4:76) Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah, and the kafaru Fight in the cause of Evil: So fight ye against the friends of Satan: feeble indeed is the cunning of Satan.

     GM sb is the one who is the kafaru, a friend of Satan, questioning a major part of the Quran, character assassinating the Prophet and losing all his arguments.

    He has become  the Abu Lahab on this forum.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/8/2019 2:53:34 AM



  • nice writing. May God bless you! By Zahid Raza - 2/8/2019 1:22:46 AM



  • Naseer sb. asks, "How can anybody be both literalistic and inventive?"
    Surely one can be both dumb and a liar at the same time. 
    Naseer sb. then proceeds to call me an apostate and compares me to Satan! That further confirms the fact that he is both dumb and a liar. He uses such dastardly takfiri tactics when all his arguments have been demolished!
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/7/2019 5:45:49 PM



  • did you mean to say "stew in his own jews"? By hats off! - 2/7/2019 7:23:38 AM



  • all the ninety names are also positive attributes of God Almighty. 
     Just and Merciful are also His Positive Attributes that are included in the list you mentioned
    By Ubaidah Barkati - 2/7/2019 4:52:32 AM



  • I have discussed earlier, the nature of the “perfect and complete” religion of Allah. The essential requirement for revealing such a religion was that the Prophetic Mission was required to be in the following four phases.

     Phase 1

    The peaceful propagation phase.

    Phase 2

    The Prophet becoming a ruler for legislative verses to be revealed

    Phase 3

    Covering just wars

    Phase 4

    Dealing with the vanquished people in victory

     Without these four phases, the revelations would have been incomplete. Did Allah know then that the religion would be completed and perfected with Muhammad (PBUH) even before the revelations began in 610 CE and that Muhammad would be the seal of the Prophets? Not with 100% certainty unless all the subsequent events are pre-determined, and no one had any choice to do anything except what they did. Such pre-determination absolves all those who opposed the Prophet, persecuted and fought wars of any blame. Nothing was therefore pre-determined. The possibilities that such a mission would not have been the last are:

     1.     The Kafirin had left the Muslims alone and not persecuted them and heeded 109:6 “To you be your religion and to me mine”. The Prophet then would have preached peacefully, and not migrated and not fought the wars against the Mushrikin. Without active opposition by the Kafirin, a large number may have accepted Islam making it the dominant religion. Eventually, all may have accepted Islam. The Prophet may have even become a ruler and the legislative verses revealed. Any war then would have been with an external aggressor but without any preceding oppression. This would have been a normal war and not a religious war. The Deen would have remained incomplete to be completed with a later prophet or prophets.

    2.     The Kafirin had heeded (8:38) Say to the kafaru, if (now) they desist (from religious persecution), their past would be forgiven them; but if they persist, the punishment of those before them is already (a matter of warning for them) after the Battle of Badr and agreed to cease religious persecution. The Prophet would then have returned to Mecca and resumed peaceful preaching.

    3.     In the Battle of Uhud, the Kafirin were successful which made them bolder and a point of no return was near at hand. In the battle of the Trench they returned with a great force and laid a siege to Medina itself to annihilate Islam and the Muslims. The point of no return had been reached and the end-game could only result in victory of the Muslims over the enemy thus completing the four phases of the mission required to lay down a complete and perfect religion. It is only at this stage, that we find a revelation saying that Muhammad is the seal of the Prophets in verse 33:40. This verse was revealed in 627 CE or 5 AH either during or after the Battle of the Trench when it became clear that all the phases would be completed with this Prophet alone. The verse is perfectly timed. If it had been revealed right at the beginning of the mission, it would have meant that all the following events were pre-determined, and no one had any choice in what they chose to do.  If it had been revealed before the Battle of the Trench, it would have meant that verse 8:38 did not make a real offer of ending of hostilities if the kafaru ceased their religious persecution. This is not the case.

    This discussion is also to make clear that in what Allah gives man the freedom to choose, He cannot know with 100% certainty what he will choose, and if He knew with 100% certainty what man would choose, then it is pre-determination and not autonomy. Without real autonomy, there is no ground to judge the deeds of man. Mankind therefore enjoys real autonomy albeit in a limited way. In the areas in which mankind enjoys autonomy, we need to blame ourselves for the evil that we ourselves create.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/7/2019 2:21:36 AM



  • How can anybody be both literalistic and inventive? GM sb merely proves himself  to be a liar and one who can  falsely accuse. He is resorting to personal attacks because he has nothing to say on any subject and is losing all his arguments attacking the Quran, Allah and the Prophet (PBUH). Does saying that he is character assassinating the Prophet wrong when he is actually doing it? 

    What hurts this apostate most is my calling Islam "perfect, complete and unchangeable". He reacts as one would expect Satan to react. He can stew in his own juice.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/7/2019 12:40:12 AM



  • Naseer sb. says that I am not competent to comment on anything that he says!
    Such pride and superciliousness disqualify him from being an exegete. He has no idea how much harm he is doing  with his literalistic and inventive understanding of the scriptures and with his dogmatic and takfirist attitude.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/6/2019 10:42:19 AM



  • Continuing the attributes of Allah, there is the Divine Plan of Allah which no one can change, and Allah achieves whatever He plans to achieve through both the good and the evil people. The good earn rewards for their deeds and the evil their punishment.

     On what does not affect the Divine Plan, man achieves whatever he strives for as per the laws decreed by Allah, and Allah does not intervene unless we pray to Him for His help. Bad things can happen by random events such as accidents, but if these were prevented by Allah, then there is no learning and no effort to make things safer. We pray for Allah’s intervention to save us from harm from even random events and the prayers work.

     We unnecessarily blame Allah for the misery and injustice in this world. That is our doing and not Allah’s. The question is of autonomy. Greater autonomy means a greater capacity for both good and evil and lesser autonomy mean lesser capacity for both good and evil. Allah has given man a certain degree of autonomy based on what man himself asked for, and if we utilize it more for evil than good, then it is we who are to blame and not Allah.

     Muslims who believe in pre-determination but not in autonomy are under achievers for obvious reasons. They do not take responsibility for what is happening to them and attribute everything to Allah as if they have no freedom of action. Some of our ways that harm us are:

     1.      The misuse of “Inshallah”. Surah Kahaf teaches us saying “Inshallah” but the context there was direct dependence on Allah for revelation and therefore, not saying Inshallah, was taking Allah for granted. If what we promise is contingent on someone else doing something, then we should make a promise that is contingent on the other doing what is expected of him, is the lesson. However, our use of Inshallah makes Allah a party to all our promises when Allah is neither going to prevent us or help us, and the matter is entirely in our hands, barring Force Majeure. That Force Majeure excuses us is understood even if we do not mention it. There is therefore no need for saying “Inshallah”. The worst part is that we say “Inshallah” even when there is no intention to do what we promise and we conveniently pass on the blame to Allah. The overuse and misuse of Inshallah has made us unreliable in our promises.

    2.      False humility. For example, ending a long discussion with “Allah knows best”. If you do not know enough, why speak about it? Has Allah failed to communicate clearly for us to know exactly what we need to know on the subject? Saying “Allah knows best” is not going to save us from our mistakes and we better be careful about what we say. It is not pleasing to Allah when we say “Allah knows best” as we are saying that Allah did not make the matter clear enough for us to understand.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/6/2019 12:15:15 AM



  • GM sb, I don't think you are competent to comment on anything that I say.  By Naseer Ahmed - 2/5/2019 11:27:50 PM



  • Both Hats Off and Naseer sb. are spewing canned rubbish but since they cancel each other out, there is no need for me to reply.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/5/2019 12:32:35 PM



  • To say that the Quran or the Deen of Allah is changeable with the times was kufr because there is no need for the  "completed and perfected religion" to change, and saying otherwise contradicts the Quran. If what you say contradicts the Quran, then it is a clear instance of kufr.

    To say that the Quran is created is right and to say that it is uncreated contradicts verse 10:37 and several other verses and therefore it is a clear instance of kufr.

    The imams, because of their limitations, have said things that contradict the Quran without perhaps meaning to. The greatest fitna is accepting an opinion that clearly contradicts the Quran no matter which imam has expressed it. It is better to reject what an imam has said rather than reject what the Quran says.

    The Quran is both unchangeable and created.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/5/2019 3:30:57 AM



  • allah is a sickening example what humans will create to justify sex slavery, jizya and slaughter of jews and destruction of temples and collecting mal - ghanimat.

    basically allah is a reflection of the human capacity for cruelty, infidelity, deceit and gratuitous violence..

    allah is as dumb as most other gods created by man. and woman.
    By hats off! - 2/4/2019 5:31:23 PM



  • Since Allah is the only One that is uncreated and all else is created by Allah, everything created by Allah, is exactly what Allah wants it to be. Allah is the one with infinite choices and out of the infinite choices that He has, he has created a finite Universe with unchanging laws. The act of creation is through the word of Allah and either we agree that Allah has infinite choices or agree that He has no choices when we say that the word of Allah is uncreated. If Allah’s word is uncreated, then He has no choice, and everything is as it should be. This raises the question, where is the need for any Allah then if everything is as it should be?

     The correct answer is that Allah is the epitome of morality and of having infinite choices and He has chosen the Universe to be exactly as per His Will. The act of creation is not a single act either but a continuous one. The word of Allah is therefore both Qadeem and Jadeed. If it is only Qadeem, then Allah was required only in the past and His work is over. Do not therefore try to make Allah dumb by saying His kalam is uncreated and only Qadeem.

     It was the Rationalists who enjoyed political patronage earlier and said that anyone who said that the Quran is uncreated is a kafir and put Imam Hanbali in prison for saying that it is uncreated. The Rationalists lost political patronage eventually because they lacked popular support and were really speaking, the atheists of their times. So, when the traditionalists came back, they declared that anyone who said the Quran is created is a kafir because the argument of createdness of the Quran was being used to change its meaning. This was a fitna and the only way the tradionalists could think of fighting it was to take the position that the Quran is uncreated. While doing so, they ignored that taking such a position contradicts the Quran. The greater fitna is always in taking up a false position for whatever reason and is not justified even to fight another fitna. The correct answer as I have already explained, is that it is both created, unchanging and unchangeable. It contains the complete and perfected Deen of Allah.

     What about Allah’s attribute of All-Knowing, Allah knows all that He chooses to know. His attribute of Al-Qadeer also only means that He decides what he will control and what He will not control but allow mankind to have autonomy. So, does Allah know at our birth whether we will go to Heaven or Hell? He does not know that because He has chosen not to pre-determine this ultimate fate of ours but chosen to give us the freedom to choose our path. There is no real choice if Allah knows at our birth how we will choose and therefore Allah chooses not to know how we will choose or in other words, give us real autonomy.

     We can predict another person’s behaviour knowing him well and since Allah knows us even better, He is certainly able to predict far more accurately, but never with 100% certainty. If He had 100% certainty, then we are without a real choice and that makes it impossible and immoral for God to judge us on what is not in our control. At a certain stage in our life, if we have reached a point of no return in our path, then of course He then knows our fate of Heaven or Hell, but still not how we will act from transaction to transaction, in which we are given freedom by Allah.

     Just as we can manipulate people knowing them well and make them do what is our will, God can do that even better. Although man is given autonomy in a limited field in which he has complete freedom of choice, yet Allah, through His intimate knowledge of us, can achieve His purpose by manipulating both the good people and the evil people to accomplish His will. If evil befalls us, it is because Allah had not willed it otherwise, or did anything to prevent it, but allowed it to happen. If Allah wills that no evil will befalls us, it won’t, even if all the evil forces gang up.

     What is certain is that Allah always achieves His divine purpose irrespective of whether the people are acting for or against His purpose. Allah’s purpose and Will can never be defeated. What the good and evil achieve for their efforts is therefore rewards or punishment without making an iota of difference to whatever Allah Wills to accomplish. So, better be good rather than evil, because, in any case, we make little difference to the outcomes in His Divine scheme.

    (3:54) And the plotters plotted and schemed, and Allah too planned, and the best of planners is Allah.

     Not everything is part of the Divine scheme and our efforts make a difference in such other matters which do not disturb the Divine plan. It is futile only to fight against Allah but our efforts bear fruit in all other matters exactly according to the efforts made. The misunderstanding of these two attributes of Allah make the Muslims fatalistic, believing that everything that happens to them was pre-determined by Allah at birth. This is untrue. Man was created to struggle and strive, and our efforts bear fruit. The Deen is to know how not to go against Allah’s purpose but be aligned with it. The efforts that are blessed are therefore those that are not in opposition to Allah’s purpose but in accordance with it, or at least neutral to it.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/4/2019 2:49:19 AM



  • Take for example pride. It is a positive emotion that helps a person excel. However, when the same turns into arrogance, it becomes evil. Satan rebelled out of arrogance.
    Gluuttony, wastefulness is evil but not doing things in moderation.
    Fighting for just cause is good but fighting for an unjust cause is  oppression and an evil.
    Sex within prescribed limits is good but outside those limits a heinous crime. By Naseer Ahmed - 2/3/2019 9:57:48 PM



  • Only the fundamental principles in the Quran are unchangeable. Verses that are time-bound and place-bound are eminently suitable for adaptation and improvement. I do not know this for sure, but this is my opinion.

    God does not create either good or evil. He provides an arena in which good and evil can occur. I do not know this for sure, but this is my opinion.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/3/2019 12:24:32 PM



  • if allah did not create evil then who did? the world contains "evil" or it does not not.
    if "evil" is not present, then the argument stands. and the issue of shaitan comes into question. for example a question might be who created "shaitan"?
    if "shaitan" is accepted and evil is present, presumably because shaitan creates evil, then he is just co-terminus with god himself. the good old zoroastrain "forces of light and darkness". particle and anti-particle. a basic duality.
    if god created "everything" then probably it is correct to infer that god also created "evil". because "everything" operates like a kind of universal set. "evil" being its subset.
    both ways the argument is subject to ambiguity. and therefore either invalid or irrelevant or both.
    By hats off! - 2/3/2019 6:37:10 AM



  • The Kalam of Allah is produced by Allah. Allah Himself says in the Qu'ran:

     (10:37) This Qur´an is not such as can be produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of (revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book - wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.

     The Quran has all the properties of a Book produced by Allah and is therefore created. Only Allah is uncreated, and the rest are His creation. To say, that Allah’s word is uncreated is to say that everything is as it should be, and nothing could have been different. In other words, a universe different from what exists, is unimaginable. If everything is as it should be, then what is the role of Allah? There isn’t even a logical necessity for His existence and the atheists are proved right.

     This debate of created/uncreated began when the Mutazilla or the rationalists began to argue that the Quran is created according to and is defined by its historical context and must therefore change with the times. The response to this was that it is uncreated and therefore unchangeable. The correct answer is – yes, it is created and also unchangeable as I have brought out in my article:

    Why the Reformist Scholars Cannot Make a Difference

    The relevant portion is reproduced below:

    The Flawed Argument of Context by Reformist Scholars and the Rationalists

     Is historical context important to a revelation? It certainly is for progressive revelations. Allah has taken mankind forward progressively from the earliest times time when man did not even have the concept of right and wrong to a stage when mankind was ready to receive the “perfected and complete religion” from Muhammad (pbuh), the last and the seal of the prophets. This was a stage in civilisational development, when the worth of the Deen of Allah (moral principles of religion), had become evident through practice over the ages, and therefore clear from error (Quran 2:256).  Once the perfected and complete Deen (Quran 5:3) was delivered, there cannot be further improvement to it or any addition/subtraction.

    The flaw in the argument is in the assumption that lessons on the eternal principles cannot be delivered through a context. No matter what the context, eternal principles remain unchanged and any given context is only incidental, but part of the deliberate methodology of experiential learning followed by the Quranic revelations.  The context is to elucidate but not to define the message itself. It is therefore erroneous to believe that the Deen of Islam would have differed if the context of the revelation was different. No, the context or the process of elucidating the message would have been different but the Deen would have remained the same.

    If you believe otherwise like the reformist scholars and the Rationalists, then you are saying in effect that Allah did not “perfect and complete his religion” and that religion can never be perfected/completed since it must continue to change with the times. You also reject in effect the argument of Muhammad (pbuh) being the last and the seal of the prophets because who else but a prophet can guide us afresh according to the changed times?

    What is possible however is that the traditionalist approach is flawed, and they have misinterpreted the Quran and their mistakes need to be corrected. It is also possible to throw out the traditionalist approach completely if it is full of errors and adopt a more robust methodology to the study of the Qur’an.

    Does Religion Shape Our Values, Or Do We Change The Religion According To The Changing Values?

    Man did not know right from wrong. It is religion which has exclusively given us the criteria of right and wrong and each one of our ethical and moral principles. The moral/ethical domain has exclusively belonged to religion and not even one of our moral principles has come from outside of religion or outside of Divine Revelation. It is therefore preposterous for the reformist scholars to suggest changing the religion according to the changing values. If the values have come from outside of religion then religion was unnecessary in the past and if the values from religion are inappropriate in today’s world, then the religion has outlived its utility and must be abandoned. The claim of the Quran that the Deen is perfected and complete is then proven false (Nauzobillah). Is this however the case? Far from it as we shall see.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/3/2019 2:12:44 AM



  • Surah Ar-Rahman is a good beginning to try to understand the attributes of Allah. Allah is neither a creator of evil not does He have negative attributes. Read the following verses. What you may think are negative are also described as the favours of Allah or His positive contribution. What Allah does is good or contains, destroys or prevents evil. All His attributes and contribution are therefore positive or anti-negative, but not negative.

     (55:35) On you will be sent (O ye evil ones twain!) a flame of fire (to burn) and a smoke (to choke): no defence will ye have:

    (36) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    (37) When the sky is rent asunder, and it becomes red like ointment:

    (38) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    (39) On that Day no question will be asked of man or Jinn as to his sin.

    (40) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    (41) (For) the sinners will be known by their marks: and they will be seized by their forelocks and their feet.

    (42) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    (43) This is the Hell which the Sinners deny:

    (44) In its midst and in the midst of boiling hot water will they wander round!

    (45) Then which of the favours of your Lord will ye deny?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/3/2019 1:49:35 AM



  • Masha Allah! 
    May Allah increase in your knowledge as much as He wills. 
    Nowadays we spend our knowledge power in worth deeds and do not pay attention towards Devin Attributes and His rights which are return upon us while this is main part of our life. Because   without  knowing these Attributes our Imaan will not complete. 
    If we don't know these, may be we will be from losers. 
    قال الله تعالى :كل من عليها فان و يبقى وجه ربك ذوالجلال والاكرام.(القرآن 

    By Ghulam Ghaus Misbahi - 2/2/2019 11:06:37 AM



  • What about being merciful, beneficient, just, forgiving and transcendent?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/2/2019 10:55:57 AM



  • masha Allah . very nice please write next one By Zainul Abidin - 2/2/2019 7:45:03 AM