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  • Quran was revealed in Arabic language,so there it will stay till the end of the world.
    However,time and again holy Quran commands to understand and learn the holy book which is an indication that we should have it translated into our local languages for a better understanding and grasp of the subject.
    Moreover,we should understand that Prophet Mohammed (PBOH) was made a prophet for all and book revealed on him ,a guide for the entire humanity till the last day.How this obligation can take shape unless we have the holy book translated in all the local languages.
    By Akhtar HUssain - 3/8/2019 4:52:26 AM



  • This is what your problem. Some one is learning in its own. Why you want push Arabic. God is inside everyoneheart and created crores and crores of different forms of life.
    By Padmanaban Desikachari - 3/8/2019 4:51:48 AM



  • Laxmi Narayan Tiku Reading in mother language is must,otherwise how a person will what Allah and Prophet Muhammad pbuh told to us.I support and agree. Muslims sect.distributed due to this reason only.Dont understand what Quran is telling.
    By Abu Basim Khan - 3/8/2019 4:51:20 AM



  • Abu Basim Khan , reading or learning Arabic is no problem for anybody . But, if Hadith Quran nd prayer are read in native language it will be better as the native language as one is at home in his native language.
    By Laxmi Narayan Tiku - 3/8/2019 4:50:59 AM



  • When a person can learn English, Hindi,sanskrit, French and German then why not Arabic. Arabic is more easy compare to Sanskrit, French, English and German. Secondary Quran, Hadith and prayers (Namaz, Duayen) all are in several languages of the world. This post incite,and Provoke Muslims to leave and withdraw Arabic from Muslims life. Don't compare Quran with other religious books.New Age Islam articles and post always u will find anti Islam.He misguide to true Muslims.
    By Abu Basim Khan - 3/8/2019 4:50:14 AM



  • It is just like the Ariyan and Sanskrit imperialism in Hindu religion. In Tamil Nadu it has been fought from 1930s.
    By த.க. நிதி - 3/5/2019 8:35:24 AM



  • Everything you should carry for humanity and human basic rights by forgiveness and mercy to truly repent in Mankind. But it's should hijack oneself to madness or sickness Ideologies against humanity and human basic rights in any faith's or sect's or Institutions of life and living in Nation's societies or families to be broken or communal to spoil peace and harmony of any ?
    By Bahuleyan Kumar - 3/5/2019 8:34:21 AM



  • @Muhammed Kalam Khan आपने चौपाई दोहे में अनुवाद किया है?
    तुलसी दास के पहले इस रूप में जायसी ने अपने काव्य को रचा था।
    By Sachidanand Singh - 3/5/2019 8:33:25 AM



  • Let us talk about our country India .
    Hindi is our national & most popular language . Every body understands atleast this language. & Holy Ram charit manas ( Ramayana) is most popular epic among us . So we need to spread Holy Quran in lyrical "CHOUPAEE " form .
    I m sending a translated its form daily as " Allah ki kitab ".- Quran .
    It needs your mind . Sir .
    By Muhammed Kalam Khan - 3/5/2019 8:20:36 AM



  • @Laxmi Narayan Tiku But Pandits still chant marriage shlok as in sanskruti, though mostly wrongly as Pandits are half literates.
    By Kps Verma - 3/3/2019 6:29:28 AM



  • Yes , our granths were. Written in sanaskrit. But, we did not hesitate to adopt our bhagwat Geeta or Ramayna in Hindi, Bengali, Tamil etc.we fo our prayers in local languages in temples .
    By Laxmi Narayan Tiku - 3/3/2019 5:47:20 AM



  • Islamise or kill is noble work target of quran
    By Ramchandra Joshi - 3/3/2019 5:46:52 AM



  • Thousands of Muslim scholars spent whole life on Islamic theories and explanations , like Imam Bukhari, Imam Muslim, Imam Malik , Ibn e Rushd, Imam Ghazali, and this paid agent of Jews discussing it on face book.
    Lakhs of Books are available and this guy, selling pulp fiction
    By Manzar Khan - 3/3/2019 5:43:02 AM



  • @KN Narayanan no worry. I simply said it too serious to be discussed on fb. If you are too eager we can discuss it separately.
    By Jamil Ahmad - 3/3/2019 5:42:34 AM



  • @Jamil Ahmad Why ? Let ' m discuss .why worry
    By KN Narayanan - 3/3/2019 5:41:56 AM



  • Religious issues are too serious to discuss on fb. I will request the friends to avoid it.
    By Jamil Ahmad - 3/3/2019 4:00:06 AM



  • دماغوں پر پڑے پتھر ہٹانا بہت ضروری ہوگیا ہے.  بہت اچھا کام کررہے ہیں آپ. 
    By Anwer - 2/17/2019 10:55:04 PM



  • It is an attempt by the people who suffer from the dangerous disease called "ZEHNI IRTIDAD" to distance the people from the DEEN bcoz they can't do it openly...The ARABIC as medium to communicate with the people has been chosen by the Allah Subhana Taala...Moreover no exact translation of any language is not possible....
    By Suhail Reshi - 2/17/2019 11:14:50 AM



  • Quran in Arabic is much more effective than than in other languages so don't try to convince people
    By Sheikh Shaheen - 2/17/2019 11:14:19 AM



  • Until black gold explored Arab world was backward, but today's sinario Hindi is accepted as a language of instructions in UAE.Being Hindu I had opportunity to preserve and read Quran in English which was presented to me by my friend Prof Musluddin Shahee who was head of department of Economics.There are elements in every religion does not want change.
    By Mp Naik - 2/17/2019 11:13:44 AM



  • It is vary sad for us,we want to known the Quran but ,
    By Tapan Chowdhury - 2/17/2019 11:13:09 AM



  • Rashid sb, you say -“We will end up with another failed attempt like Turkey tried for 18 years”. Allow me to say that it failed not for the reason that you seem to suggest, but the fact that 14 centuries of Arab/Arabic reverence implanted in the system could not be removed in mere 18 years or even 180 years. Turkish danishwar Fatheullah Gulen may be able to elaborate.

     You seem to miss the obvious point that while there may be millions who will support offering prayer in a local language, these are not from among the worshipers which is why the experiment failed in Turkey and will fail anywhere. Why are those who will not offer the ritual prayers come what may, bent upon changing those who do? Why don’t they mind their own business?

     Everyone remembers Allah, sitting standing, lying etc but this is not the ritual prayer. What is Salat or Prayer? It is performed facing Kabaa (2:149 and 150), celebrating “Allah´s praises in the manner Allah has taught you, which ye knew not before” (2:239). Congregational prayer is implied in most verses “bow down with those who bow down in worship.” Obligatory prayers are to be performed at stated time (4:103). The prayer timings for regular prayers which are obligatory are contained in verses 2:238 (Asr), 11:114 (fajr, maghrib, isha), 17:78 (Zuhar +), 24:58 (fajr and Isha), 50:39 (fajr, asr, isha). Wudhu need to be performed in the manner described in verse 5:6 or Tayamum in 4:43.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/15/2019 11:15:29 PM



  • Dear Naseer Saheb, your fixation with “5 times a day” of worship/namaz, glued to the Arabic language as prayers has me in knots., in spite of your concession - “From a religious/theological point of view, there can be no objection if you offer your ritual prayer in another language”.

      I believe that it is the reverence to a language-Arabic, that has, thanks to the religious industry, made the followers of ad deen into monastic worshippers. It has played Iblees's agency to the hilt when he ordered them : pukhta tar kardo mijaaje khaankahi may isay; as the poet said.

      You know and I know that there are scholars/Daanishwar among us who would argue that there are … … three, five, six and yes, even seven times namaz in a day.

      We rang a lady friend teacher once at 10am. She did not pick up the phone then but rang few minutes later with an apology – “I was praying”, she said. What! namaz at 10am? “Don't you know that there is a mid morning namaz of duhaa?” she chided me – a person of twice her age, in holier than thou voice and proceeded to recite a 'Rasullah's hadis', the details of which I will spare you.

      I reminded her that in the same hadis book the 'concerned and worried' Rasul ran to and fro, nine times to the “throne room” to have 45 namaz reduced from 50 given to him as a gift to his people by God. Thus he came back with only 5 a day; and that people like her have added two more – that of midnight and mid morning! Lo! Since then I have found 2 more!

      So what number makes a person “a devout Muslim” even if praying in Arabic?

      Yes I worship many times a day standing, sitting and lying down 3-190 without the physical calisthenics of namaz in Arabic. My old body does not let me forget my Maker for the aches and pains it goes through.

      I am afraid we will get into the language wrangle of “dihkar”, salaat and “ibadah” in Arabic, which I have no idea of. I am struggling to work out the recent fad of Arabic standard reply of “al hamdullillah” really means when I ask somebody in English “how are you” or in Urdu “keysey ho”? How does one reply when one is NOT well?

      "I don't know' is the reply!

      You say -“We will end up with another failed attempt like Turkey tried for 18 years”. Allow me to say that it failed not for the reason that you seem to suggest, but the fact that 14 centuries of Arab/Arabic reverence implanted in the system could not be removed in mere 18 years or even 180 years. Turkish danishwar Fatheullah Gulen may be able to elaborate.


    By Rashid Samnakay - 2/15/2019 7:15:49 PM



    • Dear Ghaus Saheb,

      This is an example of linguistic wrangling and shows – ehle-Danish ney buhot soch kay ulzhayee hai.

      You quote,“وَاتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّـهَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ” “keep fearing Allah and know well that Allah knows everything” (2:231)

      According to you and other scholars and danishwar of Arabic language “wattaqu =and keep fearing. But for me who has no idea of Arabic, it is not so. Deducing from many translations and hundreds of al-rehman al raheem in Quran, it is not “fear” that God wants attributed to Himself. The word for fear in there is “khof” eg 2-38. For me, I go with a like minded poet who said- 'bandaa hun' jaantaahun' tu bandaa nawaz hai'.

      Then you quote;

      إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ” “Allah knows well what lies within the hearts.” (3:119)

      Since He knows well what is in my heart then what does it matter in what language I store it there as He knows every language, as you believe so too?

      You also say - 'Our primary goal should be to learn Arabic so as to understand the Quran in its original text'. Are you then saying that the 'scholars – the Danishwar/A'lim' who have translated the Arabic Quran none of them understand Arabic as you do, and hence the differences therein? It must be then a case of “zubaane-yaare-man Turki, man Turki nami daanum”!!


    By Rashid Samnakay - 2/15/2019 3:27:54 AM



  • Sultan Shahin,plz for Allah's sake,dont be a weapon in the hands of neofacists of Inda.
    By Hussain Rabi Gandhi - 2/14/2019 10:05:28 AM



  • Mr Rashid, 
    From a religious/theological point of view, there can be no objection if you offer your ritual prayer in another language.
    My question to Shahin sb earlier, and to you now is, whether you offer your ritual prayers in a language other than Arabic. If you do so, then that is certainly a subject of interest to me. 
    If you are a devout Muslim who prays 5 times a day in Arabic but would like to do so in another language, then also I am interested in your opinion.
    But if your not a devout Muslim praying 5 times a day, then I understand very well that such people will lend support to praying in a local language but will not turn worshipers if this is done. So, how does their opinion matter? We will end up with another failed attempt like Turkey tried for 18 years.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/13/2019 11:20:42 PM



  • @ Mr Rashid,
    Divine Knowledge of God Almighty signifies that Allah is Omniscient. He knows everything, be it manifest or hidden.
    Allah Almighty says;
    وَهُوَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ  “He knows everything” (2:29)
    إِنَّ اللَّـهَ وَاسِعٌ عَلِيمٌ “indeed Allah is the All Capable, (His powers and reach are limitless), the All Knowing” (2:115)  
    “وَاتَّقُوا اللَّـهَ وَاعْلَمُوا أَنَّ اللَّـهَ بِكُلِّ شَيْءٍ عَلِيمٌ” “keep fearing Allah and know well that Allah knows everything” (2:231)
    “إِنَّ اللَّـهَ عَلِيمٌ بِذَاتِ الصُّدُورِ” “Allah knows well what lies within the hearts.” (3:119)
    The word عليم, or Alim meaning All-Knowing is mentioned as a Divine Attribute in numerous Quranic verses. Some of them are Surah Baqarah 2: 158, 181, 215, 224, 227, 244, 246, 261, 268, 273, 282, Surah Ale Imran 3: 115, 119, 154, Surah Nisa 4: 12, 26, 176, Surah Maida 5:54, 97 and so on.

    When He knows everything, He knows every language. 

    He descended down the Quran in Arabic. 

    Our primary goal should be to learn Arabic so as to understand the Quran in its original text. 

    However if there is any problem with anyone to understand the Quran in Arabic, he can go through the translations easily available online and offline in multiple languages.

    In India you can find out translations in Urdu, Hindi, English etc very easily. 

    Personally I prefer reading the Quran in Arabic to understand it and while doing this I  do get much better feeling than while doing it in any other languages, be it Urdu or English. I have got an experience of teaching Arabic. A colleague of mine had done MBA and was eagerly interested in learning the necessary Arabic so as to understand what is uttered during Namaz. He tried and learnt Arabic necessarily to understand Namaz within five months, with spending 2 hours every day. As for those knowing Arabic to understand the Quran should thank God Almighty and always be humble.
    The one who does know Arabic can learn it necessarily and if one can't do it, one can still be able to establish proximity with God Almighty, provided one is humble and with good intentions as He Almighty knows what is in heart and intentions. 

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 2/13/2019 8:03:00 AM



  • No, Mr Naseer Ahmad, that is not the right question to ask as the topic is specifically the 'language'. The question should be  - “Is God monolingual and understands only Arabic?”


    By Rashid Samnakay - 2/13/2019 2:22:32 AM



  • On a topic like this, the author and the commentators must declare whether or not they observe the ritual prayers 5 times a day. Without this declaration, their opinions do not matter. How does it matter what someone who is not punctilious about his prayers says on the subject of prayer?

    I may be wrong and would happy to be proven wrong, if there is even one person who unfailingly prays 5 times a day, every day of the year,  concur with the article.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/12/2019 10:53:42 PM



  • Making people recite words they do not understand must have some tangible purpose. And when people are made to do it for 100 generations, it becomes the preferred option.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/12/2019 12:21:11 PM



  • Translated version of Quran can be understood by all,which the mullahs do not want.for the reason best known to them.

    By Jamshed Jamshed - 2/12/2019 7:34:44 AM



  • Lmao but its ok to impose European imperialism 😂😂
    Choo cute
    By Mohammad Hussain - 2/12/2019 7:34:03 AM



  • “...for the masses who pray it is worship and it is they who decide what is acceptable and what is not. 

    Therein lies the essence of the argument. I'baada has become prayer/worship because it is an Arabic word and the Arabic language is the essential medium of the ritual of puja, liturgy of the religion for them and of course  employment for the pesh imam.

    If the masses were to be educated to fathom Aamanu wa A'millus-saalihaat in their own languages, God's worship/I'baada may become something very different ritual and mosques would become service centers.


    By Rashid Samnakay - 2/12/2019 5:15:05 AM



  • Shahin Sb,
    Iran/Persia and Turkey have enjoyed equal or even greater political primacy than the Arabs in Islamic history. Islamic scholarship is dominated by the Persians and not the Arabs. And yet, the Iranians and the Turks continue to pray in Arabic. Your own article brings out that an experiment to give the azan in the Turkish language and offer prayers in the language failed and had to be discontinued because it failed to attract a following even though the experiment lasted 18 years. 
    While for some of the Pesh Imams, leading prayer may only be a job and not worship, for the masses who pray it is worship and it is they who decide what is acceptable and what is not. 
    If those who pray do so in Arabic and will not change that, then what others say will never matter. 
    It is only those who pray who can decide what they wish to do. Have you tried to pray in Urdu or any other language yourself or organized such prayers in your office? Such an experiment would be worth something which we would all like to hear about.
    I for one do not even think that this idea would be considered seriously by the masses who actually pray. This has nothing to do with Arab imperialism but the simple fact that the Quran is in Arabic.
    Those who don't pray will lend strong vociferous support to the idea but will not become worshipers even if the prayers are organized in the local language. This is proved by Turkey's experiment for 18 years.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/12/2019 12:15:17 AM



  • It is a fallacy to say that God's words are wedded to one language and lose their sanctity if translated into other languages. If there is one word that can be applied to God's message, it is its "universality". Reading it in a language that we know will also help us detect any overinclusion committed by the compilers.
     

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/11/2019 5:04:22 PM



  • I would therefore recommend the Imam explaining the portions of the Quran that he is about to recite in a local language before the prayer.
    By Naseer Ahmed 

    For this Pesh Imams will have to be taught Arabic. At the moment, most of them, if not all, are totally ignorant of the meaning of even a single verse Quran. My own experience is that they do not even understand Surah Fateha, something they must be reading 25 times a day. This is a prayer unparalleled anywhere else. Even Mahatma Gandhi used to chant it along with other prayers every morning. But Gandhiji understood what it meant. Sant Vinoba Bhave knew what it meant. But few Indian Muslims do. 

    By Sultan Shahin - 2/11/2019 6:40:19 AM



  • Shahin Sb,
    If Pesh Imams have little understanding of the Quran, it is not because the Book is in Arabic. It is because they take little interest in it. For those who are interested, its translation is available in every mosque. Muslims in general however consider it a waste of their time to read the translation because they think the rewards or sawab is only if they read it in Arabic.
    They say that a Hafiz in the family makes all in the family entitled to Heaven but there is nothing for those who understand it well!
    The madrasas discourage the study of the Quran and they do not teach it before the students have mastered the "ahadith" because the Qur'an read without the ahadith is a very revolutionary Book and will corrupt the minds. They therefore take every precaution to ensure that only zombies are produced.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/11/2019 4:57:06 AM



  • The fact that Arabic is not my mother tongue or even a language that I have studied formally as a language has been my greatest asset in understanding the Quran. I could study it with the least amount of baggage. The language of the Quran was learned by me the same way as a child learns a language from its mother/environment. The words are therefore understood exactly as the communicator wants them understood and not what others have made them out to be through misuse.
     There is therefore a great advantage that the non-Arabs enjoy over the Arabs in the study of the Quran. The Arabs have not become better Muslims because the Book is in their language and therefore, people offering their prayers in local languages will not make them better Muslims either. 
    The Quran being the word of God, there is sanctity associated with the original which can never transfer to a translation.
    I would therefore recommend the Imam explaining the portions of the Quran that he is about to recite in a local language before the prayer.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/10/2019 11:27:41 PM



  • Not to speak of masses, Ghulam Mohiyuddin Saheb, hardly any Pesh Imam of any mosque in India knows a word of Arabic. Many of them are Hafiz and have memorised the entire Quran but don't understand a word of it. Quran is not taught in our madrasas. 
    By Sultan Shahin - 2/10/2019 9:40:41 PM



  • Yes ...it is a lot more sensible in the new age to offer prayers in the local language,...for any as well as every religion,who wishes to have a answer ....a meaningful one....
    By Vinod kapoor - 2/10/2019 8:42:50 PM



  • It is a fallacy to expect the masses to learn Arabic. Naseer sb. is expressing an elitist as well as an impractical view.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/10/2019 11:31:07 AM



  • I am glad that I was taught to read the Qur'an in Arabic as a kid. If I had only read it in translation, I may have thought that is all there is to it. I have however realized through my studies that even if I pool up all the translations, it won't yield the precise meaning as I have understood from my own studies.
    People learn even dead languages so as to read the great works in the language in which they were written. Surely, the Quran being Allah's word, deserves to be read in its own language and each one of us owes a duty to Allah to acquire a good knowledge of the language so as to read and understand the Quran in Arabic.
    If Turkey tried a few experiments and went back on them, there must be good reasons.
    Our dislike of the Saudi dynasty should not spill over to the religion from Arabia.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/10/2019 2:33:49 AM



  • “The Arabs are the most stupid people on earth”. My 'Better-half' said recently when discussing the current affairs relating to Saudi Arabia, that is its wars, the Royals and the flight of young women from there, etc. etc.

    Are they really the most stupid people on earth?

    For the last thirteen fourteen centuries they have hoodwinked the so called Believers of Quran to do exactly the opposite to what the Book says on the back of the fact that the Messenger Muhammad was born an Arab, in their country and that the Book is in Arabic, their language and so setup an enterprise so profitable that even if the oil runs out, they are assured of continuous comfortable life in the longest foreseeable future.

    The most astonishing aspect of this entrepreneurship is converting the Muslims into giving stones and rocks Quranic reverence, placed, exclusively in the city that has always had been an idol worshiping temple city!

    Astonishing it is because it is also propagated in the name of a Messenger Ibrahim, an ICONOCLAST to the boot and who had never even in history visited the place to give them Islam's message.

    Refer to Quran:

    2-151-- Bakara: (Addressing Muhammad)...and teaches you the Book and the wisdom WHICH YOU DID NOT KNOW .

    32-3-- Sajadah: Or do they say: he has forged it? Nay it is the truth from your Lord that you MAY WARN A PEOPLE TO WHOM NO WARNER HAS COME BEFORE YOU AND THAT THEY MAY WALK ARIGHT.

    34-44-- Saba: And WE have not given them a Book which they read nor did WE SEND TO THEM BEFORE YOU A WARNER.

    35-42-- Faatir: And they swore by God their strongest oaths, that, if a warner came to them they would be better guided than any of the nations. But when a warner came to them it increased them in greater aversion.

    36-6– Ya Seen: That you (Muhammad) may WARN A PEOPLE WHOSE FOREFATHERS WERE NOT WARNED so they are heedless.

    42-52-- Shura: And thus WE revealed to you an inspired Book by our command. YOU DID NOT KNOW WHAT THE BOOK WAS NOR WHAT FAITH WAS, …

    62-2: Almost same as 2-151-- Juma'

    NO, they are are not stupid. They are the most cunning, sly and clever people to lead Muslims of the whole world, for so long by the nose and not for li-tushteru bihi thamanan qalilaa either, but for billions and billions of dollars. It is their Believers therefore who are the most stupid ignorant people.

    Yes it is time to go local.


    By Rashid Samnakay - 2/9/2019 7:26:46 PM



  • I agree. Prayers as well as tilawat should be carried out in local languages.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/9/2019 1:16:20 PM