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Islamic Ideology (28 Feb 2019 NewAgeIslam.Com)




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  • It is difficult to get anything through to Naser sb. When we treat others as we would like to be treated by them, we are not reciprocating their treatment of us but we are treating them as we think in our minds how they would treat us under similar circumstances.

    Leave that aside and tell me whose bright idea it was that the Golden Rule had been abrogated? Who could have come up with such a patently absurd and moronic suggestion?


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/15/2019 5:57:31 PM



  • GM sb proves all over again that  he is a dumb literalist.
    For one who is not a dumb literalist my comment By Naseer Ahmed - 3/9/2019 11:33:42 PM will be clear.
    I reproduce the same below:
    Repel evil with what is better.
    Is not different from:
    Reciprocate evil with what is better.
    How to reciprocate what is good?
    It follows that:
    Reciprocate good with what is better.
    which is what we do for example, if someone says "salam alaikum" we respond with "walaikum salam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu"
    How to act when not reciprocating?
    It follows that when initiating a transaction:
    Act in a manner better than what you would have others act with you.
    This is an improvement over the Golden Rule which says:
    Act in the manner you would have others act with you.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/15/2019 2:35:49 AM



  • Naseer sb. knows no limits when he is arguing a lost cause! He has completely omitted mentioning that the Ahsan Rule is about combating evil! And when the Golden Rule says 'Act unto others as you would want others to act with you," the way one wants others to act with one is in fact the best possible way one human being can act with others. How can there be a better way than that"

    The very idea that the Golden Rule "has been abrogated" comes from a very idiotic mind. Does anyone else believe that?


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/14/2019 1:17:53 PM



  • GM sb,
    You must be literally blind not to have read in my previous comment the following:
    How to act when not reciprocating?
    It follows that it means:
    Act in a manner better than what you would have others act with you.
    Against the Golden Rule which says:
    Act in the same manner you would have others act with you.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/14/2019 2:59:30 AM



  • Naseer sb. says, "Repel evil with what is better.
    Is not different from:
    Reciprocate evil with what is better."
    By putting it that way, does he think we are all fools? The Golden Rule does not say, "Reciprocate evil with what is better". It says treat others as you would like to be treated yourself. There is no mention of "evil" in the Golden Rule. To say that the Ahsan rule abrogates the Golden Rule is idiotic. The only ones who find fault with the Golden Rule are atheists like Immanuel Kant and George Bernard Shaw.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/10/2019 1:42:13 PM



  • Instead of trying to change the world, we should try to change ourselves.
    By Kaniz Fatma - 3/10/2019 10:07:20 AM



  • Repel evil with what is better.
    Is not different from:
    Reciprocate evil with what is better.
    How to reciprocate what is good?
    It follows that:
    Reciprocate good with what is better.
    which is what we do for example, if someone says "salam alaikum" we respond with "walaikum salam wa rehmatullahi wa barakatuhu"
    How to act when not reciprocating?
    It follows that:
    Act in a manner better than what you would have others act with you.
    There are many relations of pure Ahsan such as between spouses, parents-children, siblings etc. where we act in a manner better than what we would like the other to act. We would in fact be both embarrassed and uncomfortable if they acted with us in like manner. We expect nothing in return.
    Charity is based on the principle of Ahsan.
    The principle of Ahsan covers all transactions and relationships and abrogates the Principle of Reciprocity. It asks us to be charitable and generous in every transaction.
    It would be odd if a Book contained both the Principle of Reciprocity and the Principle of Ahsan and indeed the Quran contains only the principle of Ahsan and omits the abrogated Principle of Reciprocity.
    I thought the above reasoning was easy for all and therefore why the principle of ahsan abrogates the principle of reciprocity clear, but I was mistaken. My sincere apologies.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/9/2019 11:33:42 PM



  • Naseer sb. says, "I think that the Principle of Ahsan is the same and superior and it abrogates the previous rule?"

    This is sheer rubbish! Naseer sb. is just obsessed  with "abrogation". He sees abrogation going on everywhere without any rhyme or reason. Only an idiot would think that the Golden Rule needs to be abrogqated. It says we should treat others as we would like to be treated ourselves. It has nothing to do with repealing evil, which is the subject of the Ahsan rule. Even when caught making gross errors, Naseer sb. will keep on lying because he just cannot concede!


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/9/2019 12:38:05 PM



  • GM sb  made a fool of himself by falsely accusing me of saying that the principle of Ahsan is first revealed in the Quran abrogating the principle of reciprocity in the Bible when in fact I never said any such thing because both are contrary to the facts. He is now trying to cover up his discomfort by arguing that the two are different. He is entitled to his opinion. How does it hurt him or anyone else if I think that the Principle of Ahsan is the same and superior and it abrogates the previous rule? Is this an issue for him to work up such a mad frenzy?

     The following is for those who wish to understand how the Principle of Ahsan is superior to the Principle of Reciprocity and not for windbags who merely wish to argue without any substance.

    The Principle of Reciprocity asks us to do justice to the other applying the same standard that we expect to be applied to ourselves. The Principle of Ahsan is superior to the maxim of reciprocity and is a unilateral moral commitment to do the best we can without expecting the same from the other and without even desiring the same from the other under identical circumstances. It is applying a differential standard and not the same standard to the other and self. It asks us to apply a lighter more forgiving standard to the other than what we desire from the other. The Principle asks us to repel evil with what is good. It is conceivable that when wronged, we may think that the person who has caused us injury, or we ourselves in the same position, will not expect to be treated well, and may act according to such reasoning. The Quran gives no scope for such reasoning and instructs us to repel evil with what is good. For example, I neither expect nor desire that a person wronged by me overlook my fault. I would like to be told that I did wrong so that I can make amends. I wouldn’t like to go into the Hereafter having wronged and not made amends for it. However, the principle of Ahsan expects a much lower standard be applied to the other. It expects forgiveness, overlooking the wrong and not demanding or expecting compensation.  This means that I do unto others what is better than what I would have them do unto me.

    41:34. Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and you was hatred become as it were your friend and intimate!

    35. And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,- none but persons of the greatest good fortune.

    36. And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to you by the Evil One, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.

    The Quran acknowledges that behaviour of such a high moral standard is difficult but shows the way to achieve such a standard and encourages us to follow the rule. This is more than forgiveness since forgiveness does not require returning what is good for the evil.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/9/2019 12:34:07 AM



  • Naseer sb. continues to persist in his idiotic  defiance although he knows that he has lost the argument. How can the principle of ahsan be an "improvement" over the principle of reciprocity when the two are addressing completely different issues? The principle of ahsan is about how best to combat evil. The Golden Rule is about treating other people just as we would like to be treated ourselves. Does not Naseer sb. use his brain at all?


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/8/2019 1:39:35 PM



  • GM sb has turned rabid. How does it offend anyone to be told that the principle of ahsan is an improvement over the principle of reciprocity?
    Having made a fool of himself by falsely accusing me of trying to exalt the Quran at the cost of the Bible, he continues to argue and try to find fault because he lacks the grace and humility to apologize for his intemperate outburst over what he thought was an attempt to exalt the Quran and show the Bible down.
    The old fool does not realize that for me every Book of scriptures is from Allah and there is no question of exalting one over another.
    There is no cure for his rabidity.
    There is no cure for his apostasy.
    There is no cure for his slandering.
    There is no cure for his arrogance and lack of humility to accept his mistake.
    He will continue tp spew his venom.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/8/2019 1:43:52 AM



  • Let us examine another of Naseer sb.'s dumb statements: "it is the Bible which abrogates the principle of reciprocity in the earlier scriptures because I give credit to the Bible for the principle of Ahsan."

    Neither the Bible nor anything else has or will abrogate the Golden Rule. The very idea is psychotic. The principle of Ahsan is a noble principle in itself and is not designed to abrogate anything, except perhaps in the minds of some self-appointed exegetes.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/7/2019 12:08:14 PM



  • It is not only the Quran which abrogates. In this case, it is the Bible which abrogates the principle of reciprocity in the earlier scriptures because I give credit to the Bible for the principle of Ahsan. All scriptures are from Allah
    Is GM sb so dumb that I have to explain even this ? 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/7/2019 3:44:57 AM



  • Naseer sb. now claims, " I haven't talked about abrogation or superiority of the Quran in this thread at all."

    But this is what Naseer sb. had said earlier in this very thread! - -  "In verse 2:106, Allah says that Allah substitutes previous revelations by what is better, and this is one example of it."

    Naseer sb. keeps referring to the Golden Rule as the rule of reciprocity. It is actually a rule of compassion.  " Do unto others as you would have do unto you" has the same sentiment as "Love thy neighbor as yourself". This is the highest standard of human behavior. It is quite comparable to the Ahsan principle. 


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/6/2019 2:50:45 PM



  • Only an idiot would think that forgiveness is not superior to mere reciprocity. I haven't talked about abrogation or superiority of the Quran in this thread at all. As a matter of fact, I have credited the Bible with the Ahsan principle.

    Isn't GM sb the rogue and the scoundrel who is slandering? He has turned rabid.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/6/2019 2:04:30 AM



  • Naseer sb., 
    You will continue to stick to your perverse position even after it has been pointed out to you that it is perverse. You are neither able to correct yourself nor able to concede a point.
    You say, "this must be pointed out so that people choose what is better over what came earlier."
    Only an idiot would think that the Golden Rule can be made better! The Golden Rule and the Ahsan rule are both gems and only a very small mind would say that one is better than the other. 
    The greatest fraud that you are perpetuating is applying the rule of abrogation to  scriptures other than the Quran. The Quranic rule of abrogation applies only to Quranic verses. By taking such gross liberties in discussing serious subjects you only prove yourself to be a rogue or an irresponsible exegete.
    Please stop lying and creating your own fictitious reality.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/5/2019 11:53:08 AM



  • GM sb assumes all are "deaf, dumb and blind" like himself not to know that he is lying through his teeth.
    The blind GM sb does not see that I credit the Bible with coming up  with the Ahsan principle and this comment precedes his churlish comment.
    He continues to be deaf, dumb and blind to the fact that the Golden rule precedes the Bible and is as old as civilization itself.
    It is idiotic of him not to recognize that the Ahasan principle is an improvement of the principle of reciprocity and idiotic of him not to accept that this must be pointed out so that people choose what is better over what came earlier.
    His ignorance is incurable.
    And his habit of lying endlessly is also incurable.
    If there was any good in him, Allah would have guided him.
    (8:23) If Allah had found in them any good. He would indeed have made them listen: (As it is), if He had made them listen, they would but have turned back and declined (Faith).
    We can see in this exchange of a few comments that he does not have even a modicum of honesty to accept his mistake and apologize. This is the kind of arrogance that has made him an apostate.
    Who is to blame for the sealing of his heart? Allah or himself?
    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/4/2019 10:42:31 PM



  • Naseer sb. had said, "This is the principle of Ahsan and an improvement over the principle of reciprocity."

    Now he says, "Where did I say that the Ahsan principle is an  ""improvement" over the Biblical "Golden Rule"?"

    By the principle of reciprocity he means, " do unto others as you would have do unto you". This Biblical quote is  known as "The Golden Rule".

    The Quran says, "Those who repel evil with good will find that their enemies will become their friends."

    I told Naseer sb. that we can appreciate both quotations and not say that one is better than the other. He replies with his usual rudeness and shows not the slightest understanding of the fact that calling one  an "improvement over" the other is both silly and offensive. Moreover he lies when he says that he did not say what he had in fact said.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/4/2019 12:13:13 PM



  • Where did I say that the Ahsan principle is an  ""improvement" over the Biblical "Golden Rule"?
    You seem to have literally become "deaf, dumb and blind"!
    Your ignorance is colossal GM sb. The Principle of reciprocity precedes every known Book of scriptures and is as old as civilization itself.
    The principle of Ahsan precedes the Quran in the Bible as already said.
    It is amusing to see you driven to madness by anything I say.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/4/2019 2:28:09 AM



  • Naseer sb. says, 

    "Repel Evil with Good and Forgiveness:

    This is the principle of Ahsan and an improvement over the principle of reciprocity " do unto others as you would have do unto you" in the previous scriptures."

    Why can't you just quote a good principle such as the Ahsan principle without claiming that it is an "improvement" over the Biblical "Golden Rule"? They are both excellent principles. Your crazed one-up-manship is not just silly; it is offensive.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/3/2019 1:33:12 PM



  • Would like to add that the Principle of Ahsan precedes in the Bible. 
    By naseer ahmed - 3/3/2019 8:52:25 AM



  • Good collection. Would like to add on item 47

    Repel Evil with Good and Forgiveness:

    This is the principle of Ahsan and an improvement over the principle of reciprocity " do unto others as you would have do unto you" in the previous scriptures. In verse 2:106, Allah says that Allah substitutes previous revelations by what is better, and this is one example of it.

    41:34 Nor can goodness and Evil be equal. Repel (Evil) with what is better: Then will he between whom and you was hatred become as it were your friend and intimate! (35) And no one will be granted such goodness except those who exercise patience and self-restraint,- none but persons of the greatest good fortune. (36) And if (at any time) an incitement to discord is made to you by Satan, seek refuge in Allah. He is the One Who hears and knows all things.( (41:34 -36)

    Repel evil with good to make enemy become an intimate friend. The verse also teaches that to act in such a manner requires a person to exercise patience and practice self-restraint. Such a person is described as the most fortunate person.  Who would not like to become "most fortunate"? The verse shows a way to resist the temptation to return evil with evil by invoking God’s protection.  Not only is the instruction to repel evil with good but how this may be achieved is also shown.

    (3:133) Be quick in the race for forgiveness from your Lord, and for a Garden whose width is that (of the whole) of the heavens and of the earth, prepared for the righteous,-

    (134) Those who spend (freely), whether in prosperity, or in adversity; who restrain anger, and pardon (all) men;- for Allah loves those who do good;-

    (135) And those who, having done something to be ashamed of, or wronged their own souls, earnestly bring Allah to mind, and ask for forgiveness for their sins,- and who can forgive sins except Allah?- and are never obstinate in persisting knowingly in (the wrong) they have done.

    Those who expect forgiveness from Allah must forgive (all) others, spend in charity and restrain their anger. Who does not need forgiveness of Allah and who would not like to be forgiven by Allah? Forgiveness of all is made both mandatory and easy for man because he is then entitled to forgiveness by Allah for all his sins.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/1/2019 5:53:55 AM



  • Good article Ms Kaniz Fatima. Since there has been so much discussion on item 54 and verse 4:34, let me add my inputs.

     Men are “qawwamuna” (guardian, protectors, caretakers ,standing guard, upholders of their dignity) over women, because God has given some more than others, and because they support them from their means, and the (fal-ṣāliḥātu ) righteous women are the truly (qānitātun)  devout ones [ God fearing ] , who guard what Allah has ordered them to be guarded  even in secrecy (lil'ghaybi) [ Allah has ordered both men and women to guard their furūjihim  or chastity/modesty/private parts in verses 23:5, 70:29), And as for those women whose “nushuz” you have reason to fear, (faʿiẓūhunna) instruct/advise/admonish them; [ next ] then leave them alone in bed; then  “hit” them; and if thereupon they pay you heed, do not seek to harm them. Behold, God is indeed most high, great ! [ Surah An-Nisa  34 ]

    Nushuz is the opposite of the behaviour expected of them which is to guard what Allah has ordered them to be guarded (chastity/modesty/private parts) even in secrecy or in the absence of their husbands.

    This verse is not about obedience to the husband but obedience to the commands of Allah. The husband is charged with the responsibility of taking care of their woman and her honour.

    There is a contingent precedent to be satisfied before the husband can discipline his wife. The question is what kind of a woman would satisfy the condition precedent which is, “fail to guard her chastity/modesty in her husband’s absence” and not heed admonishment and other measures and correct herself and remain defiant? Such a woman, if she does not want to receive a beating, should ask for a divorce instead because there can be no compulsion in religion and a husband should not do anything against his wife’s wishes.

    The need to appoint a “qawwamuna” or the upholder of the marital relationship, is important, and if both partners enjoy equal rights, then there is no  qawwamuna to correct when things are going wrong. Any one of them misbehaving with infidelity for example, leads to the other also misbehaving likewise and breaking down of the marital relationship as is happening in western society. Islam appoints the husband as the “qawwamuna” or the upholder of the marital relationship, as he is most suited for the role as protector and provider, in the limited sphere of ensuring that his wife obeys Allah’s commands and guards what Allah has commanded to be guarded. Only a woman bent upon defying Allah’s commands would be bothered by this.

    The husband as “qawwamuna” has both a duty to Allah and a right over his wife. He is answerable to Allah for protecting his wife and the relationship, without doing any injustice to his wife and without exceeding the bounds prescribed by Allah. In any relationship involving two or more people, one of them is clearly the leader. In every other matter except the subject under discussion, the wife can be the leader/decider and most husbands do listen to their wives and are most anxious of keeping them well-pleased. On the question of guarding what Allah has commanded to be guarded, a husband cannot abdicate his duty to Allah, nor the wife show defiance without attracting the consequences if they wish to remain within Islam.

    This verse was relevant for the Pagan Society transforming into an Islamic society but not for most of the Muslim men and the Muslim women today, because modesty is deeply ingrained in them from their childhood. With the negative  influence of western society on the Islamic norms of modesty, this verse has once again become relevant as a preventative and curative. The verses that helped us transform from a licentious Pagan Society into an Islamic one will also protect us from regressing into the same licentiousness from the influence of western society.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/1/2019 5:40:00 AM



  • Nice article. 
    Yes, "Muslims should repel anger with patience, error with truth, ignorance with clemency and the commission of evil with pardon."
    The best treatment of evil is forgiveness, tolerance and patience.  

    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 3/1/2019 2:20:52 AM