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Islamic Ideology (22 Mar 2019 NewAgeIslam.Com)




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  • Shahin sb,

     The complete argument is below:

     "Is any part of the Quran abrogated? If the answer is yes, then the question arises why does the abrogated part find a place in the Quran? Logically speaking, when is it necessary to consider whether any verse is abrogated or not? The answer is, when one verse of the Quran contradicts another. Are there verses that contradict other verses? The answer is no. Logically speaking therefore, there is no need even to consider any verse as abrogated. If the Quran were to contain abrogated verses, then its claim that it is a Book without crookedness is a false claim, because the presence of an abrogated verse could mislead many. So either we reject the theory of abrogated verses being present in the Quran or accept that the Quran is a Book of crookedness and misguidance."

     The crookedness is in the scholars and not in the Book. By treating certain verses as abrogated, they change the Message to suit their agenda and we have seen enough proof of it.

     We have also seen that when scholars do not want to take the clear meaning, they have even invented a new rule of grammar to take the meaning they are comfortable with and even though they cannot cite another example where this new rule of grammar applies! So, the very strange rule of grammar that they have invented applies to a solitary verse of the Quran and to no other verse with identical construction! This has nothing to do with their intellectual capacity but their integrity. They show great inventiveness in distorting the meaning to suit the conclusions their theology or political philosophy has arrived at. Generally, the misinterpretations are to force fit the ahadith on the subject and may not be because of lack of personal integrity.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 6/18/2019 4:39:09 AM



  • "So, either we reject the theory of abrogated verses being present in the Quran or accept that the Quran is a Book of crookedness and misguidance."

    In view of this argument, it would appear as if Islamic scholars through the last 14 centuries have considered Quran "a Book of crookedness and misguidance." They have certainly not considered it a Clear Book. Thousands of tafseers (books of exegesis) have been written, yet no one understands even the meaning of a simple word like kafir, or for that matter mushrik, etc, etc. This, to my mind, is natural, for a book that claims to be eternal in its guidance. People of different intellectual levels in different ages, are bound to read their varying perspectives and understand its message differently. There should be no problem with that and neither should Quran be considered a non-Clear book nor “a Book of crookedness and misguidance.”  


    By Sultan Shahin - 6/17/2019 11:01:19 PM



  • auto correct plays havoc even with email ID!
    The email ID is 
    Naseer.hmed@yahoo.in

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/8/2019 9:51:25 AM



  • Walaikum Salam brother Omer. My email ID is:
    Answer.hmed@yahoo.in

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/8/2019 5:20:12 AM



  • Salam Brother Naseer,
    I like your articles.  Is there is a way to contact you?
    By Omer - 4/7/2019 8:02:54 PM



  • If you are threatened with "the wrath of Allah," and "a great punishment", that is an external compulsion.
    That does not mean Muslims are Muslims because of the compulsion. Nor does it mean that non-Muslims are non-Muslims because of an absence of compulsion. 
    The compulsion is implied or expressly stated in several verses and we can assume that it has had the effect of reducing the rate of apostasy. 
    Don't you think that the "no-compulsion" verse should have abrogated verses that threaten and instill fear?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/3/2019 12:56:55 PM



  • The range of behaviour for the believers ranges from Satan who is both the perfect believer and also the perfect kafir to those who are both perfect believers and perfect Muslims and in between there are perfect Muslims who may not be perfect believers and perfect believers who are imperfect Muslims and those who are both imperfect believers and imperfect Muslims. This is proof that there is absolutely no external compulsion and man is self-driven by the choices that he makes.

    Talk about yourself and tell us in what way do you feel compelled to behave like a Muslim because of the warnings in the Quran and if you are acting out of such compulsion, then who am I to argue that you are not compelled? You know best what is true for you.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/3/2019 12:46:31 AM



  • Naseer sb. asks, "Does that not mean that Allah is trying to make people comply with His religion through faith and not through compulsion?"
    When Allah Himself says, "upon them is wrath from Allah, and for them is a great punishment," (16:106) it becomes a compulsion. It is not a compulsion for those to whom this message never reached nor to those who disbelieved it. For every one else it had all the characteristics of a compulsion. 
    Does 2:256 abrogate 16:106?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/2/2019 12:25:23 PM



  • Does that not mean that Allah is trying to make people comply with His religion through faith and not through compulsion? Is that too hard for you to understand? No, you are simply a contentious fellow.
    (18:54) We have explained in detail in this Qur´an, for the benefit of mankind, every kind of similitude: but man is, in most things, contentious.
    (55) And what is there to keep back men from believing, now that Guidance has come to them, nor from praying for forgiveness from their Lord, but that (they ask that) the ways of the ancients be repeated with them, or the Wrath be brought to them face to face?
    (56) We only send the messengers to give Glad Tidings and to give warnings: But the unbelievers dispute with vain argument, in order therewith to weaken the truth, and they treat My Signs as a jest, as also the fact that they are warned!
    (57) And who doth more wrong than one who is reminded of the Signs of his Lord, but turns away from them, forgetting the (deeds) which his hands have sent forth? Verily We have set veils over their hearts lest they should understand this, and over their ears, deafness, if thou callest them to guidance, even then will they never accept guidance.
    (58) But your Lord is Most forgiving, full of Mercy. If He were to call them (at once) to account for what they have earned, then surely He would have hastened their punishment: but they have their appointed time, beyond which they will find no refuge.
    (59) Such were the populations we destroyed when they committed iniquities; but we fixed an appointed time for their destruction.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/2/2019 12:29:08 AM



  • Naseer sb. says, " If the warning from Allah was compulsion, there wouldn't be a single non-Muslim on this earth."
    For the man who believes the warning is from Allah, it becomes a compulsion. For the rest, it is nothing. Is that hard?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/1/2019 12:41:16 PM



  • How is it different? If the warning from Allah was compulsion, there wouldn't be a single non-Muslim on this earth. The fact that evil people exist is proof that there is no compulsion in religion from Allah and Allah means what He says when He commands the Muslims "let there be no compulsion in religion".

    People are free to make moral choices and are assured of rewards in the Hereafter for choosing what is right and warned of punishment in the Hereafter for choosing evil. Is this too much for you to understand? No, you do understand when you admit that a warning is not compulsion and yet argue because you are among those "who will not understand" and therefore it is useless to engage with you. 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/1/2019 12:52:51 AM



  • Naseer sb. says, "You have agreed that "It is true that a warning is not a compulsion". There the matter ends"
    Here is my complete comment: "It is true that a warning is not a compulsion but a warning from God Himself is a totally different matter."
    Why such deception? 

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/30/2019 2:44:40 PM



  • You have agreed that "It is true that a warning is not a compulsion". There the matter ends. 


    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/30/2019 3:31:05 AM



  • When the Quran  says,  "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers," such a "warning of consequences' by God Himself is compulsion. It is coercion. Denying that is sheer chicanery. 
    It is better for us to see it as an overaccentuation of God's message.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/29/2019 12:40:19 PM



  • Does the Quran ask an Islamic state to compel its citizens to follow the religion of Allah? It does not. What then is the comparison with a hypothetical Indian state compelling its citizens to follow a particular religion?

    GM sb has still not understood the meaning of compulsion. Coercion and compulsion are synonyms and I make no distinction between the two.
    There is a distinction between a warning of consequences and compulsion/coercion.

    "Let there be no compulsion in religion"  is what the Quran says and there is no verse of the Quran that contradicts it although there are  many verses warning of the consequences of rejecting the religion of Allah.

    GM sb's comment is as usual nonsensical and did not deserve a response.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/29/2019 2:39:16 AM



  • Whether a mandate comes from Allah or from the state, it is a mandate. Try to keep in mind what the main point of our discussion is. It is 3:85, "And whoever desires other than Islam as religion - never will it be accepted from him, and he, in the Hereafter, will be among the losers."


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/26/2019 11:13:46 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    Do not pretend that you did not get the point of what I had said. If you want me to make it easy for you, tell me how you would feel if the Indian constitution said, "And whoever seeks a religion which does not include idol worship and polytheism, it will never be accepted of him and in India he will be one of the losers.”
    Trying to draw distinctions  between coercion and compulsion is another evasion on your part. Please do not waste my time.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/26/2019 11:07:52 AM



  • The Quran does not allow an Islamic government to force Islam or any religion on its people. What is the comparison then with your example of the Indian Constitution forcing the people to adopt Hinduism as their religion? That would be coercion while there is no compulsion in Islam


    By Naseer Ahmedn - 3/26/2019 3:04:11 AM



  • This comment has nothing to do with compulsion.
    Define Hinduism first as the Quran defines Islam and Muslim. If they do, then what is your problem?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 3/26/2019 12:46:51 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    It is true that a warning is not a compulsion but a warning from God Himself is a totally different matter. A true "no-compulsion" policy would permit full freedom of choice.
    The Indian Constitution firmly states that all religions are equal before the law, and no religion shall be favored over the other. If the Indian Constitution then added, "And whoever seeks a religion other than Hinduism it will never be accepted of him and in India he will be one of the losers,” how would that make you feel?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/25/2019 11:53:20 AM



  • (2:256) Let there be no compulsion in religion: Truth stands out clear from Error: whoever rejects evil and believes in Allah hath grasped the most trustworthy hand-hold, that never breaks. And Allah heareth and knoweth all things.

    (257) Allah is the Protector of those who have faith: from the depths of darkness He will lead them forth into light. Of those who reject faith (kafaru) the patrons are the evil ones: from light they will lead them forth into the depths of darkness. They will be companions of the fire, to dwell therein (For ever).

    It is clear from the verses above, that neither man is allowed to compel another in religion nor is Allah compelling anyone. Man is given full autonomy and choice in matters of religion. Allah however warns man about the choices he makes and their consequences. Is this compulsion? No, it isn’t compulsion. A warning is not compulsion even if the warning is about a certain consequence to follow if the warning is ignored. Compulsion means lack of choice and lack of freedom to go against what is being compelled (Allah’s religion in this verse). If there was compulsion by Allah, then to reject faith would have been outside the power of man and every one would have believed in the Quran. The very fact that people freely reject faith is proof of non-compulsion.

    We have a statutory warning printed on cigarette packs that smoking kills. Is the warning compelling a smoker not to smoke? No, not as we understand the meaning of compulsion.

    When GM Sb does not understand the meaning of even common words such as “compulsion”, it is not surprising that he has difficulty understanding almost anything.

    The rest of GM sb’s comment is further evidence of his extremely poor comprehension of the Quran.


    By Naseer Ahmedn - 3/25/2019 12:26:43 AM



  • the author does not have proper understanding of Naskh therefore his article is full of errors and does not deserve appreciation. 
    people fear honest, genuine and truthful approach and this article proves that fear

    By Alifa - 3/22/2019 9:59:27 PM



  • This is a bogus article because it uses arbitrary, self-serving or false arguments to support its contentions.
    Naseer sb. says, " Are there verses that contradict other verses? The answer is no." This is false. ""Let there be no compulsion in religion," 2:256 contradicts "proclaim a grievous penalty to those who reject Faith," (9:3). There are several examples like that. The correct answer is that it is up to man to choose the right verses. Man's active participation is essential to get the right message from the Quran.
    Naseer sb.s explanation of why female homosexuality is treated differently from male homosexuality is ridiculous and not worthy of consideration. His repudiation of fuqaha, while appropriate, applies also to himself.
    Both of the two versions of the inheritance laws have 7th century written all over them. Our inheritance laws should be based on gender equality.
    Any verses advocating violence, hatred or denigration of  the Jew, kafir or polytheist cannot be from God and must be relegated to question-mark status.
    The Rule of Ahsan has nothing to do with the Golden Rule. The idea that the former abrogates the latter is a stupid lie.
    "(39:18) Those who listen to the Word, and then follow the best thereof," is good advice for Naseer sb. himself.
    Naseer sb. says, "The verse is saying to the people of the Book that the Quran omits all that is no longer necessary or abrogated."  The Quran say no such thing. The Quran does not abrogate anything from the scriptures of the Jews and Christians. The Jews and the Christians themselves ignore verses in their books which have become obsolete and we should do the same.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 3/22/2019 12:14:11 PM