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Ijtihad, Rethinking Islam

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  • You don't even have the sense to see that Pamela Taylor is not a critic of Islam but is someone who tries to adapt Quranic teachings to present times. Your claims of being better than her are laughable.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/17/2019 12:49:01 PM



  • You are digressing. Pamela only sees problems and not solutions and the fact that the guidance provided is adequate. 

     The fasting question is answered and I have also shown that verses  3:28, 4:144 actually mean what she wants these to be today.

     She and you GM sb, are the dumb literalists who only point fingers rather than talk about the correct meaning and how to find solutions. My more than hundred articles bring out the correct meaning before which every objection of the likes of Pamela K. Taylor and her ilk dissolve.

     Why the Reformist Scholars Cannot Make a Difference

    The Quran Is the Perfect, Infallible Word of God, Even If All the Muslims Misunderstand It

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/17/2019 12:43:33 AM



  • Without seeing a problem, how is one going to find a solution? As I said before, "It is sad that you do not see the sense and wisdom in Pamela Taylor's article. It is Muslims like her who will save Islam, not slavish literalists like you."

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/16/2019 12:49:53 PM



  • My argument simply is:
    If my solution is described by you as "slavishly literalist" as you have done, then your solution is even more so.
    Therefore, if you are now saying that calling the solution "literalist" means that you do not know anything or that you are a congenital liar, this applies to you and not to me. You decide and tell us whether my solution and your solution are "slavishly literalist" or not.
    As for me, I have made it clear that it is a dumb literalist who sees a problem, and anyone with any good sense can find an answer and I have lauded you for once finding an answer and moved away from being a dumb literalist.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/16/2019 12:49:15 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    If you think my solution was "literalist", it means that you either do not understand anything or you are a congenital liar.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/15/2019 12:54:52 PM



  • But I do give you full marks for your solution and I am glad that for once you behaved like a "slavish literalist" and came up with a solution rather than find fault with the Quran.

    As a matter of fact, you proved to be more slavish in your solution because you take into account the Mecca timings for the fast while I ignore it tailoring the solution to the convenience of the person fasting and his/her usual time for breakfast and supper.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/15/2019 3:47:54 AM



  • Naseer sb.,
    As I said, your solution makes no sense. It is sad that you do not see the sense and wisdom in Pamela Taylor's article. It is Muslims like her who will save Islam, not slavish literalists like you.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/13/2019 12:27:22 PM



  • Good GM sb. So, there is a solution. I am glad I forced you out of your "dumb literalism" into my kind of "slavish literalism". It does not matter what solution is implemented as long as you believe there is a solution and implement the same. There is no need for your solution to be the same as mine but there must be a solution. Do not however blame the Quran for not providing sufficient guidance to find your own solution. There is sufficient guidance. By Naseer Ahmed - 4/13/2019 7:28:55 AM



  • She describes the problem about fasting times in Arctic regions. Any commonsense solution could be implemented, but for a slavish literalist this may not be possible!
    Among commonsense solutions, if one is living in an area where dawn and sunset do not occur, one can consider following  the fasting hours in the nearest city where fasting is observed at dawn and sunset. Alternatively, Muslims may follow Mecca time.
    The "solution" offered by you makes no sense at all.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/12/2019 12:28:03 PM



  • What is your solution to the problem of determining the fasting time in Polar Regions GM sb?
    You do not have a solution and neither has the author because both are dumb literalists and happy with finger pointing at the Quran rather than finding a logical solution.
    You do not appreciate the logical solution presented either! Is that because you do not care for fasting? By Naseer Ahmed - 4/12/2019 3:38:36 AM



  • It is idiotic to say that she is criticizing the Quran. She is criticizing slavish literalism which is Naseer sb.'s hallmark, as seen in his lengthy note on fasting.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/11/2019 4:56:36 PM



  • The only example that supports the title is relating to the timings of a fast during Ramadan which cannot be determined based on the time of dawn/sunrise and sunset in Polar Regions or close to Polar Regions. Let us examine the verses of the Quran relating to fasting:

    (2:183) O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed to you as it was prescribed to those before you, that ye may (learn) self-restraint,-

    (184) (Fasting) for a fixed number of days; but if any of you is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed number (Should be made up) from days later. For those who can do it (With hardship), is a ransom, the feeding of one that is indigent. But he that will give more, of his own free will,- it is better for him. And it is better for you that ye fast, if ye only knew.

    (185) Ramadhan is the (month) in which was sent down the Qur´an, as a guide to mankind, also clear (Signs) for guidance and judgment (Between right and wrong). So every one of you who is present (at his home) during that month should spend it in fasting, but if any one is ill, or on a journey, the prescribed period (Should be made up) by days later. Allah intends every facility for you; He does not want to put to difficulties. (He wants you) to complete the prescribed period, and to glorify Him in that He has guided you; and perchance ye shall be grateful.

    (187) Permitted to you, on the night of the fasts, is the approach to your wives. They are your garments and ye are their garments. Allah knoweth what ye used to do secretly among yourselves; but He turned to you and forgave you; so now associate with them, and seek what Allah Hath ordained for you, and eat and drink, until the white thread of dawn appear to you distinct from its black thread; then complete your fast Till the night appears; but do not associate with your wives while ye are in retreat in the mosques. Those are Limits (set by) Allah: Approach not nigh thereto. Thus doth Allah make clear His Signs to men: that they may learn self-restraint.

    (189) They ask thee concerning the New Moons. Say: They are but signs to mark fixed periods of time in (the affairs of) men, and for Pilgrimage. It is no virtue if ye enter your houses from the back: It is virtue if ye fear Allah. Enter houses through the proper doors: And fear Allah: That ye may prosper.

    (6:96) He it is that cleaveth the day-break (from the dark): He makes the night for rest and tranquillity, and the sun and moon for the reckoning (of time): Such is the judgment and ordering of (Him), the Exalted in Power, the Omniscient.

    The reference to the sun and the moon in the Quran is for reckoning time which may be part of a day, a day, week, month or year. How else did we expect Allah to refer to time except by these signs? Did we expect Allah to talk about time in hours or any other unit of time created by man? The clock of man is also based upon dividing the time taken by the movement of the heavenly bodies into convenient units of seconds, minutes, hours, day, week, month, year etc. The time of  Sunrise and Sunset has no significance to fasting except setting the start time and end-time in regions around the equator.

    We order our life by the day for working and night for resting. Fasting is during the period of working. Even in Polar Regions, people order their life if not by the sun (because it does not rise for part of the year or set for another part of the year), by the clock. So follow the clock. Dawn which marks the beginning of fast in regions around the equator is 3 hours before our usual breakfast time. So in regions around the poles, begin fast 3 hours before the usual time for break-fast and end the fast at normal time for supper.

    If a person finds a solution based on such an analogy, he is a sincere Muslim who submits to the command of Allah and will be duly rewarded both for the fasting and his humble submission even when faced with a certain degree of uncertainty. The purpose of fasting which is to learn self-restraint is also met. We are not worshipers of the sun but we order our life consisting of a working period and period of rest by it for obvious reasons. Where we use other means to do the same thing, follow what is dictated by it in an analogous manner.

    As an exercise, attempt defining the period of fasting in a polar region without talking about a clock. It is very difficult if not impossible, but easy to talk about it in an analogous manner with reference to sunrise and sunset in a region around the equator. So, why would the Quran speak about the time of fasting in a polar region when it is easy for man to figure out for himself what is logical, reasonable and rational based on what is described for areas around the equator? What can be logically derived is as good as a verse in the Quran is what I have said several times before.

    The above is an example of being logical, rational and sensible but the author shows no sign of being so. 

    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/11/2019 2:03:14 AM



  • And GM sb simply loves any criticism of the Quran and will fight the correct understanding of the Quran because that deprives him the opportunity of running it down.

    He calls my saying Kafir does not mean disbeliever or even polytheist a rant while his insisting that it means disbeliever/polytheist is best described as a rant!
    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/11/2019 12:33:43 AM



  • If she is saying what the Quran is saying, then what's your problem? But if she is trying to bring rationality and common sense in Quranic teachings, that would make Naseer sb. hit the roof!

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/10/2019 12:22:16 PM



  • Does the author have a rational and sensible approach to fasting? She has a problem but does not speak about a rational or sensible solution.
    Are bigots and racists different from Zalim, Fasiq, Mufsid and Mujrim? The article that I have cited says exactly what the author wants the Quran to say but does not realize that it says so. So, if GM sb agrees with what the author says, what problem does he have in accepting that the Quran actually says what the author wants it to say? GM sb is a committed maligner of the Quran and his objective is not to take its correct meaning, but insist that the bigoted translations and opinions are the right ones so that he can discredit it.
    The Quran does contain verses that address the Prophet's thoughts, misgivings, etc., but the Quran is anything but a reflection of the Prophet's thoughts. By Naseer Ahmed - 4/10/2019 12:52:34 AM



  • Thank you Dear Ghulam Mohiyuddin Sahib. By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 4/9/2019 10:58:59 PM



  • Excellent comment by Ghulam Ghaus sahib.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/9/2019 12:59:46 PM



  • The author's approach to fasting as well as to the possible influence of the Prophet's thoughts on the verses is rational and sensible, hence it will be rejected by a slavish literalist like Naseer sb.

    The author says:

    "For instance, the verses that tell us "Do not take the disbelievers as friends and protectors instead of the believers" (3:28, 4:144) would instead read today as "Do not take bigots and racists for friends over those who love all and do good works together."


    The author is making an excellent point but for Naseer sb. it becomes another occasion to repeat his useless rant about what Kafir means. He misses her central point and goes on to  claim that "kafir" also means "bigots" and "racists". Thus he adds two further labels to his previous collection of such labels! To him Islam just means name-calling!


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/9/2019 12:58:16 PM



  • Islam teaches human values and good manners. The Quran repeatedly asks Muslims to ensure human values and good manners equally for all mankind. 
    Allah commands Muslims in Surah number 3, verse number 134, to be good to others. Here Allah commands Muslims to do good to parents, to do good to relatives, to do good to orphans, to do good to the needy, Allah commands Muslims to do good to the neighbour, because Allah does not like the people who do not do good to others.
    In surah number 7, verse number 199, Allah commands Muslims to forgive mistakes of others. In this ayat, Allah says, “Adopt forgiveness and enjoin virtue”
    In the Quranic verse 20:44, Allah commands Muslims to speak to people courteously. 
    Islam stops Muslims from ridiculing others. (Please see the Quran 49:11). Islam stops from being rude in speech (Please see the Quran 3:159). The Quran teaches Muslims to restrain anger (Please read the Quran 3:134). The Quran stops Muslims from being arrogant (please read the Quran 7:13). The Quran stops Muslims from cooperating in Sin and Aggression (please read the Quran 5:2). The Quran commands Muslims to cooperate in righteousness and good deed. (Please read the Quran 5:2) The Quran stops Muslims from killing each other. (Please read The Quran 4:92). The Quran teaches us that Men and women have equal rewards for their deeds (Please read The Quran 3:195). The Quran encourages feeding poor (please read the Quran 107:13). The Quran stops from committing abuse on the earth (Please read the Quran 2:144). The Quran stops Muslims from being transgressors (Please read the Quran 2:190). The Quran suggests Muslims to treat non-Muslims in a kind and fair manner (Please read the Quran 60:8). 
    The Quran and Sunnah are full of teachings of human values and good manners. The only thing we need to do is act according to such beautiful teachings of Islam.
    By Ghulam Ghaus غلام غوث الصديقي - 4/9/2019 10:59:29 AM



  • The author says:

    For instance, the verses that tell us “Do not take the disbelievers as friends and protectors instead of the believers” (3:28, 4:144) would instead read today as Do not take bigots and racists for friends over those who love all and do good works together.”

    The verse has always meant just that. The word "Kafirin" in the verse, is mistranslated as "disbeliever" when it actually means "bigots and racists” etc.

    Kafirun in the Quran does not mean disbeliever or even Mushrikun, but is used interchangeably with Zalimun (oppressor), Fasiqun (mischief monger), Mujrimun (criminals and sinners) which are therefore its synonyms.

    In Islam, the other is the Kafir, but they are not the non-Muslims but the unjust and the oppressors who could be professing any faith including Islam. The cause of Allah, identified from the Quran, is to end all injustice and oppression, and all those who stand up for justice and fight against oppression are from “the community of God” and the Muslims must form an “Ummat-e-Wahida” or a united front with all such people to end injustice and oppression in the world.

    The God of Islam is the God of all the people and is not the parochial God of only the Muslims in our theology for Allah says:

    Nay,-whoever submits His whole self to Allah (by whatever name) and is a doer of good,- He will get his reward with his Lord; on such shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve” (2:112).

    The Muslim of the Quran, is therefore simply anyone who submits to God (by whatever name), and is a doer of good deeds. There are therefore only two kinds of people - those who stand for justice and against oppression are the friends and helpers of God and the oppressors are the enemies of humanity and of God.”

    The above is from my article: Islam's Relationship With The Rest Of The Word - The Current Problem Of Extremism In A False Ideology And The Antidote From An Authentic Understanding Of The Truly Humanistic Message Of The Quran)

    By Naseer Ahmedn - 4/9/2019 2:26:44 AM



  • The lady is a dumb literalist like GM sb because of which she cannot think of an appropriate solution to the problem of fasting in places where the day is very long/short, no sun for days, no sun set etc.

    Nor does she know that the Quran provides for an alternative to fasting for those who cannot fast for any reason including not being able to figure out the start time and end time of a fast.

    Nor does she know that the few occasions when the Quran is actually responding to the Prophet's thoughts, it is correcting him and therefore it does not reflect the Prophet's thoughts or desires.

    She has misunderstood every subject that she discusses in the article.
    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/8/2019 11:33:50 PM



  • Naseer sb. thinks his literalistic and slavish understanding of the Quran is the only correct understanding. Any rational approach that makes sense will not be acceptable to him.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/8/2019 11:59:08 AM



  • The Quran is poorly understood by the lady. 
    By Naseer Ahmed - 4/8/2019 10:24:35 AM



  • On the contrary, all Islamophobes must be deathly afraid of this progressive Muslim lady.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/4/2019 12:04:24 AM



  • we kuffar hope fervently that the seedling of doubt in this lady's mind will soon grow into a tree. By hats off! - 4/3/2019 7:38:41 PM



  • "The Quran is a book rooted in history, responding to the Prophet's thoughts and actions, reacting to happenings in his life. While it presents many eternal lessons, it is also speaking into a context, directed at a particular culture, and addressing the events occurring at the time."
    Making the distinction between "eternal lessons" and responses to the Prophet's thoughts and actions is of vital importance.
    "The spiritual guidance, the general teachings about how to live a good life are eternal, but that the specifics of the rules would be different if the Quran was being revealed to a different culture or in a different time."
    Excellent point!
    "I mean, surely if the Quran came to today's society, with our bent toward marital equality and our understanding of domestic violence, God would not advise spouses who aren't getting along to resort to physical resolutions to disagreements? Surely in a society where familial bonds don't extend much beyond the nuclear family, and men and women are both expected to be breadwinners, inheritance would be divided up more equally? And how about those draconian punishments for petty crimes? I have to think that things would be very different."
    I fully agree! 
    Excellent article.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/3/2019 12:14:51 PM