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Nazuk Naqshbandi

 Mr. Fayaz,

 

Are you simply stupid or demented? Or doing PR work for the terrorists of Lashkar-e-Tayyaba? In fact, if my memory is serving me right you once advised the Editor of this website Mr Sultan Shahin to join Lashkar-e-Tayyaba; so one should assume that you yourself have already done so and maybe even work for them. Why else would you be looking for recruits for them and spreading canards like 2, 50, 000 Kashmiris having been killed by Indian security forces. Maybe as a Kashmiri you know better. But I live in the midst of Kashmiris too and have never come across this figure. No Kashmiri says that, except that maybe the Punjabi Lashkar-e-Tayyaba people say that in their bid to brainwash our young people.

 

You castigate Mr Sultan Shahin for using an honorific like Hazrat for Sri Ram and Sri Krishna. I must say I was also stunned for a moment when I came across this usage for the first time. It was certainly very bold on the part of Mr. Shahin to do so. But then it became clear to me after a moment of deliberation that he was simply trying to make a point by doing so. If we Muslims do truly believe in respecting all prophets equally, and we have no choice in the matter as the Holy Quran itself asks us to do so, then why should we not use the same honorific for all prophets?

 

But apparently it is too much for people like you, Fayaz to accept this. No wonder communal relations in India are so bad. Many Muslims consider Hindus beneath contempt, though they don't generally express their contempt as openly and as brazenly as you are doing by denigrating the editor of this website for using a honorific for Sri Ram. But then come to think of it we use Hazrat for the most illiterate and ignorant of mullah and maulvis. Not just Hazrat, indeed we use even Maulana, a term that should really be used only for God, because it means My Lord. It would not be unusual to hear even the most ignorant mullahs being addressed as Hazrat Maulana. I suppose one is not elevating Sri Ram too highly by calling him Hazrat. You may not know this, of course, but Allama Iqbal Rahmatullillah caled Sri Ram “Imam-e-Hind". And Sri Krishna, of course, is, as I understand, even more highly esteemed by our Hindu sisters and brothers than Sri Ram. And how come you also have a problem with the term Mahatma Budha?

 

As for Kashmiris and Indian security forces, I must add that, while there is no justifying atrocities on innocent populace by any army, we should remember that all security forces in the world behave more or less the same way. Best is to try and not invite them. If there was rigging of elections in Kashmir, Kashmiris could have taken the constitutional route of fighting that with the help of other political groups or human rights groups, etc. in India. There are plenty of them and they do quite creditable work. If you pick up the gun you are inevitably inviting the wrath of armed forces on you.

 

Your Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, Fayaz belongs to Pakistan. Do you remember what Pakistan did to East Pakistanis who had not even picked up any gun; they were simply demanding that the results of a free and fair elections organised by the Pakistan Army be implemented. What did the Pakistan Army do? Killed between one and three million people, its own citizens and co-religionists. All Muslims. Figures of rapes too run into millions. The killing was targeted; mostly educated Bengalis got killed selectively from university and college campuses and hostels, etc.

 

It's a good thing, Fayaz, your parents did not migrate to Pakistan. You might have then known what the Pakistan security forces did to Muhajirs in Karachi. And, of course, the less we talk about what they did to Baluchis the better. This is not at all to defend what the security forces do. No sane person would do that. Not least a woman. But this is what they do. Better not invite them in the first place. However your figure of 2, 50, 000 Kashmiris killed is simply outrageous. Only Lashkar-e-Tayyaba manuals must be using that to indoctrinate Muslim youth and send them to Hell.

 

It’s a good thing also – you seem quite lucky in a way – that Indian intelligence people don’t monitor newspapers or websites like this one. If they did, they might have had a question or two for you to answer.

 

One last point! I have been wondering for some time and discussing among friends why the editor of this website never responds to your calumnies, though you seem to address him and him alone, no matter who writes what on the site, and in the most disgraceful way imaginable. The consensus is that he probably believes in the adage “ Jawabe Jahilan bashad khamoshi.” But a thought crossed my mind today: he probably also thinks “Jawabe Pagalan bashad khamoshi”. Be that as it may we are lucky to have a website on which there is hardly any monitoring and readers are free to read articles on subjects that interest us Muslims, particularly of the South Asian sub-continent, and comment freely. But let us not abuse this process.

 

A note for the Editor: Maybe I am contradicting myself here, but I suppose a certain amount of abuse is inherent in any freedom. So please don’t take away this freedom on account of Jahilan and Pagalan like Fayyaz. I particularly value the freedom to compose the way one would like and it’s quite funny to see some people express their anger or angst in the way they compose their comments. No other website I know gives this facility.

 

Nazuk Naqshbandi

Fayaz

Dear all Readers

My aim was never to hurt anyone's feelings or break any one's heart, but i felt there should be all types of answers to the comments posted by the editor , including mine. I have not taken any serious note about the comments against me. If my words hurt anyone's feelings or break any one's heart, i am sorry for that & take all my comments back except those where i say that Quran is relevant till eternity. not because of the fear of being procecuted by any human, but because of the fear of Allah, i dont want to bring his anger upon me by hurting someone's feelings or breaking their heart. I might be right or wrong about my ideas , but i must not write degraded comments about any person or any country as all of this is the creation of Allah. I say sorry to all the readers for hurting their sentiments, and from now onwards will not write any comments on this site.

Sorry again to ever one & Goodbe 

Shagufta

Where are the Maulanas? Give a reply to this!

 

Zakir Naik: Promoting Terrorism 

 

By Ali Sina 

2005/10/22

I found the  following paragraph in  irf.net, the official site of Dr. Zakir Naik. This is what he teaches to his students: 

“5.   Every Muslim should be a terrorist

Every Muslim should be a terrorist. A terrorist is a person who causes terror. The moment a robber sees a policeman he is terrified. A policeman is a terrorist for the robber. Similarly every Muslim should be a terrorist for the antisocial elements of society, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. Whenever such an anti-social element sees a Muslim, he should be terrified. It is true that the word ‘terrorist’ is generally used for a person who causes terror among the common people. But a true Muslim should only be a terrorist to selective people i.e. anti-social elements, and not to the common innocent people. In fact a Muslim should be a source of peace for innocent people.”

Dr. Naik claims that the anti-social elements that need to be terrorized by Muslims are the criminals, such as thieves, dacoits and rapists. But isn't it the job of the police to go after the criminals? The police is trained and is paid to catch the criminals. His job is not to terrorize the criminal but to enforce the law. Those whom he catches are not criminals until proven as such in the court of law. As far as the police is concerned they are suspects. He must catch the suspect using minimum force and use force only if necessary. He must respect the human rights of the suspects. As long a the suspect is not convicted in a court of law, he remains innocent.

Who gave the authorization to Muslims to take the place of the police, the court, the executioner and terrorize people whom they accuse of crime? Don't we have a penal system to deal with these matters? Should citizens take the law in their own hands? This is in itself against the law. What this doctor is ostensibly proposing here is anarchy.  We have a whole structure set in place to deal with criminals. Under what law average citizens can assume the role of the entire legal system? This is insanity! 

Furthermore, in every non-Islamic country the rate of crime among Muslims is much higher than the average population. France has a high rate of crime confined mostly to it’s Muslim population. In Netherlands the rate of the crime has jumped 11% in just one year and it is exclusively because of Muslims. In an article published in Times, Lahor, April 2001, Khaled Ahmed reported that the crime rate among Pakistanis in UK "is higher than in any other community. Fully 2 percent of the prisoners rotting in British jails are Pakistanis, the highest for any one community." In Australia raping the white girls by Muslim youths has become a national problem. What are the excuses of these Muslim rapists? That "in Islamic countries girls don't dress like this!" 

It would be naïf to take Dr. Naik's justification of terrorism by its face value. What this snake-oil salesman actually means by anti-social elements are the non-Muslims and those who resist conversion. According to him I would be an anti-social element that have to be killed. Have I committed rape, theft or any crime? I and people like me are considered anti social because we speak our minds and Muslims can't handle that. Are Salman Rushdie and Taslima Nasrin anti-social elements? What about Theo Van Gogh? Was he an anti social element?  

After glorifying and justifying terrorism and hyping his students to become terrorists, making them believe this is a divine mandate and a wonderful thing to do, Dr. Naik will then explain to his foolhardy alumni that "shirk is worse than killing" and the unbelievers are worse than thieves, dacoits, rapists and murderers. Therefore it is incumbent upon Muslims, to instill terror in the hearts of non-Muslims and kill them wherever they find them. To determine their innocence or guilt it is enough to ask them whether they want to convert to Islam or not. 

Ironically, since according to the Quran, these non-Muslims by rejecting Islam have committed the worst crime imaginable, their property can be stolen and their wives and daughters can be raped. Thus Muslims who joined Dr. Naiks school to fight the dacoits, BECOME the dacoits, the criminals and the thugs.

 http://www.faithfreedom.org/oped/sina51022.htm

See also The World's Greatest Showman 

Shagufta

Where are the Maulanas? Give a reply to this!

 Sex In Paradise 

 

By Ali Sina

 

When the popular CBS documentary program '60 Minutes' aired the interview with a Palestinian terrorist who claimed that those who blow themselves killing many Israelis will go to Paradise and receive 70 houris, Muslims were outraged and as Joyse M. David on August 23, 2001 reported they claimed that the story of 70 Houris promised to those who fight and die in the name of Allah for killing the infidels is ‘fabricated’.   

Davis writes: “The documentary by reporter Bob Simon examined the militant Islamic organization Hamas, which has claimed responsibility for dozens of suicide bombings against Israel. Muslim leaders charge that the report presented false stereotypes of Muslims and defamed their religion.” 

She quotes the Muslims “scholar” Dr. Maher Hathout a member if the Islamic Center of Southern California, who said, "There is nothing in the Koran or in Islamic teachings about 70 virgins or sex in paradise. This is ridiculous, and any true Muslim knows that,". 

I agree with Dr. Hathout that this is ridiculous, but I disagree with him when he says that there is nothing in the Quran or in Islamic teachings about the 70 virgins or sex in Paradise. If Dr. Hathout is truly an Islamic scholar he should have at least read the Quran. There are several references to the houris in Quran with details. Because I know Muslims always say that their critics quote “out of the context” I am going to quote the verses of the Quran speaking of the houris with the preceding and succeeding verses. 

In Surah 44, Muhammad first describes the hell quite vividly. 

43    Surely the tree of the Zaqqum, 

44    Is the food of the sinful 

45    Like dregs of oil; it shall boil in (their) bellies,

46    Like the boiling of hot water.

47    Seize him, then drag him down into the middle of the hell;

48    Then pour above his head of the torment of the boiling water:

49    Taste; you forsooth are the mighty, the honorable:

50    Surely this is what you disputed about.

After giving this dreadful description of the hell and the tortures preferred by Allah the Prophet promises lots of goodies to those who became Muslims.

51    Surely those who guard (against evil) are in a secure place, 

52    In gardens and springs; 

53    They shall wear of fine and thick silk, (sitting) face to face; 

54    Thus (shall it be), and We will wed them with Houris pure, beautiful ones.    

In Surah 52 there is another description of the heaven and hell:

17    Surely those who guard (against evil) shall be in gardens and bliss 

18     Rejoicing because of what their Lord gave them, and their Lord saved them from the punishment of the burning fire.

19    Eat and drink pleasantly for what you did, 

20    Reclining on thrones set in lines, and We will unite them to large-eyed beautiful ones. 

21    And (as for) those who believe and their offspring follow them in faith, We will unite with them their offspring and We will not diminish to them aught of their work; every man is responsible for what he shall have wrought. 

22    And We will aid them with fruit and flesh such as they desire.

23    They shall pass therein from one to another a cup wherein there shall be nothing vain nor any sin.

Amazingly this paradise promised by the holy prophet satisfies even the paedophiles. 

24 And round them shall go boys of theirs as if they were hidden pearls. 

 

Also in Surah 76:19 Allah promises fresh youths to Muslim men. 

And round about them shall go youths never altering in age; when you see them you will think them to be scattered pearls.

 

Again in Surah 56 the Prophet gives the glad tidings of the paradise to his followers and says:

59    And besides these two are two (other) gardens:

60    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

61    Both inclining to blackness.

62    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

63    In both of them are two springs gushing forth.

64    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

65    In both are fruits and palms and pomegranates.

66    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

67    In them are goodly things, beautiful ones.

68    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

69    Pure ones confined to the pavilions.

70    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

71    Man has not touched them before them nor jinni.

72    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

73    Reclining on green cushions and beautiful carpets.

74    Which then of the bounties of your Lord will you deny?

75    Blessed be the name of your Lord, the Lord of Glory and Honor!   

In Surah 56  , there is promise of houris as well as youths that never age for the gratification of Muslim men. 

11    These are they who are drawn nigh (to Allah), 

12    In the gardens of bliss.

13    A numerous company from among the first,

14    And a few from among the latter.

15    On thrones decorated, 

16    Reclining on them, facing one another.

17    Round about them shall go youths never altering in age, 

18    With goblets and ewers and a cup of pure drink; 

19    They shall not be affected with headache thereby, nor shall they get exhausted,

20     And fruits such as they choose, 

21    And the flesh of fowl such as they desire. 

22    And pure, beautiful ones, 

23    The like of the hidden pearls: 

24    A reward for what they used to do.

 

I believe this should suffice to prove that not only Allah promises "virgin houris" to the righteous Muslims but also “never-aging boys” as white as pearls.

There are also several hadith that confirm sex in paradise. Hadith are the sayings of the Prophet. The following are few of them

 

Sahih Bukhari Volume 6, Book 60, Number 402

Narrated Abdullah bin Qais:

Allah's Apostle said, "In Paradise there is a pavilion made of a single hollow pearl sixty miles wide, in each corner of which there are wives who will not see those in the other corners; and the believers will visit and enjoy them. And there are two gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of silver; and two other gardens, the utensils and contents of which are made of so-and-so (i.e. gold) and nothing will prevent the people staying in the Garden of Eden from seeing their Lord except the curtain of Majesty over His Face."   

 

The modern Muslim apologists try to present Islam as a religion of peace yet it is not hard to find many hadiths that call for war and promise great rewards in the other world and in this one to the Mujahid who takes the arm and fights for Allah.

Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 46

Narrated Abu Huraira:

I heard Allah's Apostle saying, "The example of a Mujahid in Allah's Cause-- and Allah knows better who really strives in His Cause----is like a person who fasts and prays continuously. Allah guarantees that He will admit the Mujahid in His Cause into Paradise if he is killed, otherwise He will return him to his home safely with rewards and war booty."

 

 Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 48

The Prophet said, ...  "Paradise has one-hundred grades which Allah has reserved for the Mujahidin who fight in His Cause,

 

 Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 72

Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Nobody who enters Paradise likes to go back to the world even if he got everything on the earth, except a Mujahid who wishes to return to the world so that he may be martyred ten times because of the dignity he receives (from Allah)."

Narrated Al-Mughira bin Shu'ba: Our Prophet told us about the message of our Lord that "Whoever amongst us is killed will go to Paradise." Umar asked the Prophet, "Is it not true that our men who are killed will go to Paradise and their's (i.e. those of the Pagan's) will go to the (Hell) fire?" The Prophet said, "Yes."

 

The Hadiths like these abound and there are also many verses of Quran the glorify Jihad (holy wars). As it is clear these wars were not defensive but were offensive wars. See how Muhammad prepared his followers to attack the lands that had nothing to do with Islam. 

Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 48

Narrated Khalid bin Madan:

Um Haram informed us that she heard the Prophet saying, "Paradise is granted to the first batch of my followers who will undertake a naval expedition." Um Haram added, I said, 'O Allah's Apostle! Will I be amongst them?' He replied, 'You are amongst them.' The Prophet then said, 'The first army amongst' my followers who will invade Caesar's City will be forgiven their sins.' I asked, 'Will I be one of them, O Allah's Apostle?' He replied in the negative."

 

Therefore it is safe to say that the essence of Islam is expressed in the following hadith. 

 Bukhari V. 4, B 52, N 73

Narrated 'Abdullah bin Abi Aufa:

Allah's Apostle said, "Know that Paradise is under the shades of swords."

 

More articles from Ali Sina can be found at www.golshan.com and http://free.freespeech.org/rationalthinking

Shagufta

World’s Greatest Showman

Ali Sina on Zakir Naik: A review of The Qur’an and the Bible in the Light of Science  

By Ali Sina 
2006/06/12  

In 2000, a televised debate between Dr. William Campbell representing Christian view point and Dr. Zakir Naik representing Islamic view point took place.  

Pakistan Daily Times wrote

On December 7, 2005, a TV channel (QTV or Al-Noor) showed a debate between William Campbell and Zakir Naik, which showed the other side of the polemic. In the past it was Zakir Naik trying to prove other religions wrong; this time it was William Campbell rebutting his arguments.

This was fair enough. If you don’t want your religion criticized don’t do it to other religions. When Dr. Campbell criticized Muslims for claiming scientific discovery in the Quran one had to listen.

The TV channel took a fair decision, but when Dr. Campbell began cutting close to where it hurt, the program was suddenly taken off in favor of na’at. If this was done out of fear it was not a good decision and showed Dr Naik in a bad light. (Later news is that Dr Naik won the debate.) 

Muslims are convinced that Dr. Naik won that debate. In fact once you watch the video, unless you know the Quran and Islam fairly well, this is the impression that you get. Dr. Naik was so confident and so boisterous throughout the debate that anyone watching would think the same.  

Or did he? I went through this debate and have analyzed the talk of Dr. Naik paragraph by paragraph. In this paper I have shown that Dr. Naik misrepresented every statement he made on the Quran. There is not a single claim that Dr. Naik has made about the Quran being miraculous or scientifically accurate that is true.  

I have entitled this paper, World’s Greatest Showman, because after watching his performance, in my opinion, it describes him best.  Dr. Naik is a magician. Magicians make you believe they cut people in two, make objects disappear and reappear and make rabbits come out of an empty hat. But in reality none of that happens. The ability of the magician is to make you believe in things that do not happen. Dr. Naik uses a different kind of  tools to perform his magic. He uses words.  He can make his audience believe in things that are not true. In this paper, I am going to show his tricks and what he uses as setup to make things look differently. By the time you finish reading this paper, you'll be able to detect them too. But that is not all. Since all the Muslims use the same tricks, although not with the same proficiency of Dr. Naik, you'll be able to detect their tricks too.

A good magician is dexterous and his  moves are swift - so swift that they are hard to detect. However,  if you replay his acts and watch then in slow motion, or even frame by frame, you may be able to catch his tricks. This is what I have done with Dr. Naik's talk.   

This paper will eventually be available for free download and also in a printer friendly format. It may even become available in a book format.  I hope all those who have seen the debate between Dr. Campbell and Dr. Naik and were swayed by Dr. Naik's showmanship read this paper to see how he deceived everyone. Anyone who has seen or heard Dr. Naik owes it to himself to read this paper. He rehashes the same things in all his talks. Here, the tricks of a master magician are exposed. Read it and pass it on. 

There is no doubt that Dr. Naik is great. One must acknowledge the merits of his opponent. His greatness is in his ability to twist the truth. He is dexterous with words and has an excellent memory for remembering the verses of the Quran. If he was a lawyer and I was a criminal, I would want him as my attorney.       

You can watch the debate by clicking on the links at the bottom of this page while following the transcript in the following pages. When it comes to my responses, you can click on pause and read what I have written. 

I say it with all certainty that this paper demarks the end of Dr. Naik's glory and will bring down his empire. Once his fans read this, it would be as if a balloon is punctured. They will see through his veneers of lies and chicanery and his tower of cards will crumble. The proof is overwhelming. Many of them may write to him asking him to respond. Dr. Naik will not because he cannot. Perhaps he would come with silly conditions like he did before, asking for a face to face debate or demanding that I organize a conference attended by 10,000 people, or raise the reward of $50,000 dollars that I am offering to anyone who can prove me wrong to one million dollars. Most likely someone else will respond saying Ali Sina is not important for Dr. Naik to waste his time on. 

These are of course lame excuses. There is nothing one can say in a face to face debate that one cannot say in writing. The problem of a face to face debate is that one can play 'magic' and fool the audience, while this is not possible in a written debate. 

17:81 Truth has (now) arrived, and Falsehood perished: for Falsehood is (by its nature) bound to perish."  

When this verse was first proclaimed (when Muhammad conquered Mecca) it was anachronistic because then it was Falsehood that had taken over the Truth with force, treason and tricks. Finally, thanks to the Internet, this violent force has become helpless and Truth is reemerging. You can say that verse was false when uttered. But ironically, it was prophetic because it is very true today. Today Truth is back with vengeance and Falsehood is bound to perish. 

If you want to contact Dr. Naik, here is his email: info@drzakirnaik.com

 http://www.faithfreedom.org/debates/NaikCampbellintro.htm

 

Ashok Chowgule

From    Ashok Chowgule

To:       Sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

date     29 January 2009 15:26

 

Understanding the Muslim Mind

Author: Dr Omar Zia

Publication: Islam Watch

Date: January 29, 2009

URL: http://www.islam-watch.org/Omar.Zia/Understanding-the-Muslim-Mind.htm

29 Jan, 2009

 

Continuing with my last topic of evolution, or lack thereof, in a Muslim mind, let me give you three real-life examples of how I observed Islam’s toxic effect on the mind of Muslims and how, in my view, they will effect the world around us in the foreseeable future.

 

1.      Mind of a Sri Lankan Muslim

 

Two years ago while travelling through Sri Lanka I befriended a taxi driver in Colombo.

 

He was a young devout Muslim from a family of ten: two aged parents and eight grown-up children. He was the youngest member of the family born and bred in Sri Lanka. From my chats with him during several excursions in the city, I pieced together a detailed picture of the conditions and aspirations of Muslims in Sri Lanka.

 

Muslims constituted only 7% of the population in Sri Lanka. This boy of 22 knew that. He told me in a meaningful way that non-Muslim Sri Lankans are too cautious when it comes to raising a family. They worry about the education and upbringing of their offspring too much; for that reason, birth-rate amongst non-Muslims is quite low. Muslims in Sri Lanka, on the other hand, believe that Allah will provide everything and do not care how many children they have. This boy was prophetic. Current Muslim population of Sri Lanka is listed as 9% according to many guide-books.

 

Upon my enquiry as to how he got along with his non-Muslim neighbours, he praised them for their placidity and then complained that he found it quite annoying that Muslims had to take their cowardly neighbour religious sensitivity into account and slaughter animals hidden from the public eye. He assured me that as soon as Muslims were in ascendancy in his country, which, he was sure, would happen in his lifetime, one of the first laws to be passed will be sanctioning of slaughtering of animals in the open, like in any Muslim country. While visiting Hindu temples with me, he proudly informed me that Muslims never allow non-Muslim Sri Lankans to enter mosques, as they were unclean. He was also quite sure that if allowed, Muslims being the worthy fighters and jihadis, can sort out the Tamils within a very short time.

 

In order to understand better the Muslim society in Sri Lanka, I even accepted his offer of a cuppa at his house towards the end of my stay.  All that I had heard from this young ‘time bomb’ proved absolutely certain. Indeed, the visit proved even more shocking: the rest of his family members appeared even more radicalized and angrier at their majority countrymen. I felt absolutely horrified at the prospect of what is in store for the affable, but oblivious to danger, non-Muslim Sri Lankans.

 

2. Mind of my young, ambitious nephew

 

On my last visit to Pakistan, my 18 year nephew visited me and implored to arrange a visa for him to go to England. He was close to completing his schooling but was quite despondent of his future prospects in Pakistan. I explained to him that even though I will endeavour to help him all I can, the final word would rest with the British consulate and it would be his academic records, which, in the end, would decide his fate. My motive was to inspire him to study harder as he seemed quite lacking in knowledge for his age. I also told him that he would have to supplement his studies in England with menial jobs. He seemed absolutely comfortable with that news.

 

As I was once analyzing a disturbing verse from the Quran (9:29), he arrived. I decided to test him on his humanity and asked if he had ever read Quran. He proudly replied that he had, several times, but only in Arabic and therefore did not understand any of it. I explained the verse to him and asked for his thoughts on this fascist verse. Without any hesitation, he responded that he absolutely believes it is correct. Upon my flustered query as to how can he think of subjugating or killing his hosts in England, he replied to my astonishment that once Islam has overwhelmed England, this verse would become mandatory and Allah’s deed must be carried out. I couldn’t help but feel awed at the corrupting power of Islam.

 

3. Mind of my educated, progressive, and nonreligious Muslim brother

 

The third incident, which I wish to relate, came soon after the above incidence during a dinner chat with my progressive, highly educated and largely non-religious brother. I was lamenting to him at the Taliban’s tactics of usurping power in Pakistan. He coolly informed me that Taliban are good people except that they have interpreted Islam wrongly and all true Muslims harbour a Taliban within them. Much shocked at this statement, I asked him to show me what part Taliban had misinterpreted from the Quran. Noticing that he was attempting to change the subject, I persisted and asked him if he had read the Quran with the understanding of it meaning. Not surprisingly, the answer was a somewhat embarrassing "NO".

 

After the dinner, I asked him to bring out his translated copy of the Quran. He did not possess one. What he luckily did have though was a functioning computer in his son’s room. I persuaded him to sit with me and I got out the verses which were being used, with proof and through their own mouth by Osama, Naik, Israr and many other unabashed fascist nuts. I showed him ahadees, which corroborated those verses from the Bukhari and Muslim collection. I could almost hear his Islamic world collapsing inside him and heard his heartbeat rising. I knew that I was very near to my goal of making him see the truth. It was just seconds away when all of a sudden he almost toppled the monitor and got up in a rage screaming that it was all western propaganda. He started an incoherent, and increasingly alarming, tirade against the Jews, the West and America and eventually blamed me for being an instrument in the hands of some Western think-tank. Suffice it to say that I left his house with a heavy heart that there is little no hope for a peaceable future for our globe.

 

Dr. Omar Zia is a Pakistani-born ex-Muslim.

Manoj Padhi

Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 02:49:45 -0600 [02:19:45 PM IST]

From:   Manoj Padhi

To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

Subject:            Re: Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes By Matthew Rothschild - January 27, 2009

 

Since when Animal torture has become a crime ?

 

Terrorists are considered Animals in India and when dogs get mad, we shoot them. Any amount of torture is permitted.

Must read and forward links

<http://www.indianexpress.com/news/human-rights-terrorists-are-animals-we-nee.../416004/

 

<http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/Terrorists_are_animals_SC_judge_/rssarticleshow/4038562.cms

 

<http://hindtoday.com/Blogs/ViewBlogsV2.aspx?HTAdvtId=3126&HTAdvtPlaceCode=LKA

 

 

Hope, the following humorous letter written by Don Rumsfeld to a terrorist sympathizer will open your eyes..

 

I endorse this and if you do , please send a brief comment..

 

Taking Care of the Guantanamo Detainees

<http://www.strategypage.com/humor/articles/military_jokes_lark.asp

 

A person wrote a letter to the White House complaining about the

treatment of a captive taken during the Afghanistan war. Attached is a

copy of a letter they received back:

 

The White House

1600 Pennsylvania Avenue Washington, D.C. 20016

Dear Concerned Citizen:

 

Thank you for your recent letter roundly criticizing our treatment of

the Taliban and Al Qaeda detainees currently being held at Guantanamo

Bay, Cuba.

 

My administration takes these matters seriously, and your opinion was

heard loud and clear here in Washington.

 

You'll be pleased to learn that, thanks to the concerns of citizens

like you, we are creating a new division of the Terrorist Retraining

Program, to be called the "Liberals Accept Responsibility for Killers"

program, or LARK for short. In accordance with the guidelines of this

new program, we have decided to place one terrorist under your

personal care.

 

Your personal detainee has been selected and scheduled for

transportation under heavily armed guard to your residence next

Monday.

 

Ali Mohammed Ahmed bin Mahmud (you can just call him Ahmed) is to be

cared for pursuant to the standards you personally demanded in your

letter of admonishment. It will likely be necessary for you to hire

some assistant caretakers. We will conduct weekly inspections to

ensure that your standards of care for Ahmed are commensurate with

those you so strongly recommended in your letter.

 

Ahmed's meal requirements are simple, but we strongly suggest serving

meals that do not require utensils, particularly knives and forks.

Also, these should be "one-handed" foods; Ahmed will not eat with his

left hand since he uses that for personal matters.

 

He generally bathes quarterly with the change of seasons, assuming

that it rains, and he washes his clothes simultaneously. This should

help with your water bill. Also, your new friend has a really bad case

of body lice that hasn't been completely remedied. Please heed the

large orange notice attached to your detainee's cage: "Does not play

well with others."

 

Although Ahmed is sociopathic and extremely violent, we hope that your

sensitivity to what you described as his "attitudinal problem" will

help him overcome these character flaws.

 

Perhaps you are correct in describing these problems as mere cultural

differences. He will bite you, given the chance, but his rabies test

came back negative, so not to worry. We understand that you plan to

offer counseling and home schooling. Your adopted terrorist is

extremely proficient in hand-to-hand combat and can extinguish human

life with such simple items as a pencil or nail clippers. We do not

suggest that you ask him to demonstrate these skills at your next yoga

group. He is also expert at making a wide variety of explosive devices

from common household products, so you may wish to keep those items

locked up, unless (in your opinion) this might offend him.

 

Ahmed will not wish to interact with your wife or daughters (except

sexually) since he views females as a subhuman form of property.

However, he will be eager to assist with the education of your sons;

have available for their use several copies of the Q'uran.

 

Thanks again for your letter. We truly appreciate it when folks like

you, who know so much, keep us informed of the proper way to do our

job. We think this watching over each other's shoulder is such a good

way for people to interact that we will be sending a team of federal

officials with expertise in your line of work to your place of

business soon, just to help you do your job better. Don't be concerned

that they have the power to close your business, seize your property,

and arrest you for any violation of the 4,850,206 laws, codes,

regulations and rules that apply to your profession. They're really

there just to make sure you're doing everything the proper way. That

is what you wanted, right?

 

Well, thank you for this opportunity to interact with such a valued

member of the citizenry. You take good care of Ahmed - and

remember...we'll be watching.

 

Cordially...Your Buddy, Don Rumsfeld

---

On Thu, Jan 29, 2009 at 1:14 AM, ghulam.muhammed <<ghulam.muhammed@gmail.com> wrote:

Obama Must Prosecute Rumsfeld for War Crimes

By Matthew Rothschild, January 27, 2009

 

If I were Donald Rumsfeld, and what a horrible thought that is, I wouldn't be traveling abroad any time soon. And I might be out looking for a disguise here at home.

 

Because Rumsfeld stands before the world as an unindicted war criminal for ordering torture while he was Bush's Secretary of Defense.

 

No less a figure that the UN's Special Rapporteur on Torture said on CNN Monday that "Rumsfeld clearly authorized torture methods." The Rapporteur, Manfred Nowak, said the United States has an "obligation" to investigate this, and he has passed his recommendation on to the United Nations.

 

The smoking gun is a December 2, 2002, directive Rumsfeld issued that ordered sensory deprivation, stress positions, isolation, and the use of dogs on prisoners.

 

He also admitted hiding at least one detainee from the Red Cross, which violates the Geneva Conventions.

 

And, according to Seymour Hersh, he set up a Secret Access Program "that was given blanket advance approval to kill or capture." Summary executions constitute a war crime.

 

Plus, he had "command responsibility" for those under him who were doing the torturing. If he knew about war crimes and did not try to stop them, he's also guilty of a war crime.

 

"Rumsfeld was intimately involved with the interrogation of a Saudi detainee, Mohamed al-Qahtani, at Guantánamo in late 2002. General Geoffrey Miller, who later transferred many of his harsh interrogation techniques to Abu Ghraib, supervised the interrogation and gave Rumsfeld weekly updates on his progress. During a six-week period, al-Qahtani was stripped naked, forced to wear women's underwear on his head, denied bathroom access, threatened with dogs, forced to perform tricks while tethered to a dog leash, and subjected to sleep deprivation," <Marjorie Cohn reported for Alternet.

 

The evidence against Rumsfeld has been on the table for years now.

 

Back in 2005, <Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch said there was prima facie evidence that Rumsfeld was a war criminal.

 

And Amnesty International said that if the United States didn't prosecute Rumsfeld, then foreign governments should. "If anyone suspected of involvement in the U.S. torture scandal visits or transits through foreign territories, governments could take legal steps to ensure that such individuals are investigated and charged with applicable crimes," Amnesty International USA said.

 

More recently, the general who investigated Abu Ghraib concluded that the most senior Bush administration officials committed war crimes.

 

"There is no longer any doubt as to whether the current administration has committed war crimes," Retired Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba wrote, in the preface to a report by Physicians for Human Rights last year. "The only question that remains to be answered is whether those who ordered the use of torture will be held to account."

 

Taguba believes that Bush himself could be brought up on war crimes. "The Commander-in-Chief and those under him authorized a systematic regime of torture," <he said, in the preface to "Broken Laws, Broken Lives."

 

Finally, the <Senate Armed Services Committee released a report late last year that implicated Rumsfeld in the abuse of detainees.

 

"Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's authorization of aggressive interrogation techniques for use at Guantanamo Bay was a direct cause of detainee abuse there," it said. He also "contributed to the use of abusive techniques, including military working dogs, forced nudity, and stress positions, in Afghanistan and Iraq."

 

So why is this man allowed to walk free?

 

To show that we're a country of laws, to show that we respect human rights, to show that we oppose torture, Barack Obama must instruct the Justice Department to prepare an indictment against Donald Rumsfeld.

 

And failing that, it'll be up to some courageous foreign government to nab this fugitive from justice.

Ghulam Muhammed, Mumbai, India

Date:    Thu, 29 Jan 2009 11:58:22 +0530 [11:58:22 AM IST]

From:   ghulam muhammed  

To:       sultan Shahin <Editor@NewAgeIslam.com>

 

Subject: A running thread of deep saffron - By Christophe Jafferlot - The Indian Express

http://www.indianexpress.com/news/a-running-thread-of-deep-saffron/416409/

 

A running thread of deep saffron

 Christophe Jaffrelot

Posted: Jan 29, 2009 at 1107 hrs IST

 

The people behind the Malegaon terrorist attack fell into three categories — Sangh parivar cadres, army men and old Savarkarites. The first person to be arrested by the police, Pragya Singh, was a sadhvi and former ABVP leader. A second group of the accused comprised army men, retired or not, related to the Bhonsle Military School (BMS). Major Ramesh Upadhyay, a former defence services officer was arrested first, but the key figure was Lt Col Prasad Purohit, who had approached Upadhyay when he was posted at Nasik as liaison officer. Purohit and Upadhyay imparted military training to young activists — including bomb making — and were instrumental in getting arms and explosives.

Most of the training camps took place in the BMS, which had been directed by Rtd Major P.B. Kulkarni between 1973 and 1988, andwho had been associated with the RSS since 1935. In fact, the Bajrang Dal organised training camps in the BMS (Nagpur) as early as 2001. The five accused mentioned above were all members of Abhinav Bharat, a Pune-based movement initiated by Purohit in June 2006, whose working president was Ramesh Upadhyaya but whose president was none other than Himani Savarkar, V.D. Savarkar's daughter in law, who also headed the Hindu Mahasabha. 

 

The people, the places and the modus operandi are revealing of the continuity that underlines the Hindu tradition of terror, harking back to V.D. Savarkar. The young, revolutionary Savarkar had created the first Abhinav Bharat Society in 1905. The movement drew its name and its inspiration from Mazzini's 'Young Italy', but was also influenced by Frost Thomas's Secret Societies of the European Revolution, a book dealing mostly with the Russian nihilists. The movement was dissolved in 1952, but ten years back, just before finishing his term as Hindu Mahasabha president, Savarkar had created the Hindu Rashtra Dal, another militia whose mission was to impart military training to the Hindus in order to fight the Muslims, Gandhi's followers and the Mahatma himself. This movement cashed in on the work of the same institution — the Bhonsle Military School, started in 1935 by B.S. Moonje, another Nagpur-based Savarkarite, after a European tour which had exposed him to Mussolini's Balilla movement.

 

Like the Abhinav Bharat of today, the Hindu Rashtra Dal attracted Hindutva-minded Maharashtrian Brahmins — especially from Poona — who found the RSS insufficiently active. Some of them also had connections to the British Army.

 

Nathuram Godse and N.D. Apte, the two main architects of Gandhi's assassination, are cases in point. Godse thought that RSS strategy contented itself with "organisation for the sake of organisation". The Hindu Rashtra Dal, by contrast, organised training camps where volunteers learnt how to manufacture bombs and use guns from bicycles and cars. The key instructor was N.D. Apte who had served the army as Assistant Technical Recruiting Officer. In this capacity, he could use the War Service Exhibitions — which were intended to attract young Indians to the army — to initiate Hindu Rashtra Dal members into the art of modern arms.

 

The Hindu Rashtra Dal's terrorist agenda culminated in the assassination of Gandhi, who had already been a Savarkarite target before — in 1934, they threw a bomb in Poona Municipal Town Hall where Gandhi was making a speech against untouchability. 

 

While today's Abhinav Bharat belongs to an old tradition harking back to Savarkar and even Tilak, the new element here lies in the implication of one serving officer of the Indian army. Certainly, any institution can have a black sheep. But was he that isolated? He has already named other officers who would have been his more or less passive accomplices and his colleague, Upadhyay, who once headed the <Mumbai unit of the BJP's ex-servicemen cell. The BJP, indeed, inducted ex-army men in large numbers since the 1990s. After the BJP came to power in 1998, two dozens ex-servicemen more joined the party. This inflow of ex-army men may reflect the increasingly communal atmosphere of the institution. In December 2003, a survey by the Centre for the Study of Developing Societies for Tehelka, one of the first among army men — and probably the most comprehensive — showed that 19 per cent of the soldiers interviewed felt that the army practised some religious discrimination — and 24 per cent of the Muslims among them shared this view.

 

Instead of distancing itself from the Hindu terrorists, as it had done in the 1940s, this time the Sangh Parivar has decided to support the Malegaon accused. Bajrang Dal chief Prakash Sharma declared that "policy makers should be worried if the Hindus were taking to arms because of the government's skewed approach to war on terror" and admitted that the Bajrang Dal was running training camps too "to boost their morale [the Bajrang Dal's members]. The country wouldn't get its Abhinav Bindras if there were no armed training for the youth".

 

In a way, the RSS, with the Bajrang Dal, has created a buffer organisation to handle the dirty work that the Sangh was earlier obliged to do itself — work similar to that of the Savarkarite organisations, whether they are called Hindu Rashtra Dal or Abhinav Bharat.

 

The writer is a political scientist and South Asia specialist at CERI, Paris

Mohammad Imran

Posted by collective at April 28, 2008 12:04 PM

 

Dear Mr. Sultan Shahin,

 

Individuals think within the framework in which they were educated and the framework in which they grew up. The Ulema have limited religious educational background and restricted life experience as children and young adults. Their efforts to understand outside world is hobbled by the world in which they grew up. To expect them to think outside the box is our folly. They will not change by themselves. Change is sometimes forced upon people due to external circumstances. It can be financial, physical or psychological. In the case of the Ulema financial circumstances have been taken care of by the Saudis and rich Arabs, and millions of poor Indian Muslims who give them donations from what little they earn. The physical needs of the Ulema are met by their living within four walls of their madaris. Currently they are affected by psychological circumstances which is their fear that the Government of India's crack down on Jihadi movement will affect them. The conference on Terrorism was organized because fear is gripping the Ulema that they will be swept in the onslaught against terrorism and they will lose their livlihood. The conference declaration is the best they can do.

 

The Ulema have one advantage over secular Muslims. Poor Muslims who are the larger part of the community listen to them. Their declaration against terrorism will be heard by that group of Muslim community.

 

The question of removing Jihadi cells from the midst of Muslim community is difficult because it is reaction to political actions of the BJP rather than religious basis of fighting the non-Muslims. These other external causes are not in the control of the Ulema. The riots in Malegaon, Gujarat affected the whole community then it found that Muslim youth were arrested and tortured by the Police all over India. Ulema cannot solve this problem. This problem is created by the Government of India and it is for the Government to make police and security forces attend classes in which they are taught interfaith relations and respect for other religions. I live in the USA. Here the FBI and local police undergo training to understand cultural and religious behaviour of minorities which is different than that of the white Anglo-Saxon majority.

 

What the Ulema can do and must do in the end is to learn to live in the modern world with science, technology, philosophy and logic. Unless they do that they will not be able to communicate with Muslim youth which is slowly getting educated and out of bounds of their influence.

 

Posted by: Mohammad Imran on April 28, 2008 04:34 PM

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