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Chanting 'Bharat Mata Ki Jai' Is Against Islam, Says Darul-Uloom Deoband, But Other Islamic Scholars Disagree


By Mohammad Ali, The Hindu

April 1, 2016

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Darul Uloom's main campus in Deoband. File photo | The Hindu

In a fatwa issued to Muslims, the seminary said the slogan goes against “tauheed” (the idea of worshipping one god), which forms the core of Islam.

Amid an ongoing debate in the country over “Bharat Mata ki jai”, Darul-Uloom Deoband, the leading Islamic seminary of the Indian subcontinent, on Friday said that chanting of the slogan was against Islam. In a fatwa issued to Muslims, the seminary said Muslims should not chant the slogan because it goes against “tauheed” (the idea of worshipping the only God) which forms the core of Islam. Darul-Uloom Deoband referred to the Constitution of India and said forcing people to chant the slogan goes against the Constitution of India which allows its citizens to practice their own faiths.

The fatwa comes days after it was reported from the national capital that a madrassa student was allegedly beaten by some people after he refused to chant the slogan, “Bharat Mata ki jai”. The seminary issued the fatwa in response to several letters from Muslims asking it's view about chanting the slogan which has seen intense polarisation over the issue.

The BJP reacted strongly to the fatwa with Union Minister Sadhvi Niranjan Jyoti saying that by giving such an opinion the seminary “behaved like a hardliner”.

The fatwa, a copy of which is with The Hindu, said, “After the 'Vande Mataram' controversy, now people are being forced to chant 'bharat mata ki jai'. Actually, some of the believers in Hindu faith consider India a goddess whom they worship. They treat the goddess 'bharat mata' the patron God and caretaker of the country. This belief certainly goes against the very idea of 'tauheed' which forms the core of belief in Islam. The followers of Islam cannot compromise with the idea of 'tauheed'“.

The fatwa went on to explain in detail about the idea of love for the country, and said, “India is our motherland and we love it a lot. But we cannot worship even our motherland because of the essential belief that we worship only one God and that is Allah”.

“The Constitution of India allows its every citizen the freedom to profess and practice his/her religion. Nobody has the right to go against the Constitution and take law in their own hands by forcing somebody to do something which goes against the idea of the Constitution of India,” concluded the fatwa.

But scholars like Sultan Shahin, editor of NewAgeIslam.com, a website which talks about advocating reforms in Islam, slightly disagreed with the way the seminary interpreted the slogan 'bharat mata ki jai'.

While the Darul-Uloom Deoband said chanting the slogan means “hailing and worshipping” the goddess “bharat mata', Mr. Shahin said, the slogan did not amount to worshipping 'bharat mata' and hence did not go against the idea of 'tauheed' (the belief in oneness of God).

“Primarily the idea of tauheed is believing into one God. However, there is a variety of interpretation of god and tauheed in Islam. The idea of tauheed (oneness of god) is vast enough to accommodate the idea of praising the motherland and showing love for her. I would not like to go into literal translation of Vandana or saying 'bharat mata ki jai' because I find the controversy unnecessary and irrelevant as there are enough controversies around the idea plaguing us,” said Mr. Shahin.

Talking about a variety of interpretation of 'tauheed', Mr. Shahin presented the instance of Sufis traditions in Islam and said that “a section of Islamic scholars, find even Sufi practices like going to Sufi Dargahs and praying to Sufi saints as against the idea of tauheed. Does that make Sufism un-Islamic? I do not think so. All version of oneness of God are right but none should be forced on anybody”.

But Mr. Shahin also said that the slogan 'bharat mata ki Jai' should not be forced on anyone as the Constitution did not require anyone chant the slogan.

Source: thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/darululoom-deoband-issues-fatwa-against-chanting-bharat-mata-ki-jai/article8423324.ece

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Related report:

Three students beaten up in Begampur

By Shubhomoy Sikdar, The Hindu

March 31, 2016

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dilkash, one of the three injured, claimed that he fractured his hand in the scuffle.Photo: Special Arrangement

 

Three Muslim youth claim they were beaten up by unidentified men at a park in Outer Delhi’s Begampur area on Saturday, allegedly because they refused to chant slogans such as “Jai Mata Ki” and “Bharat Mata Ki Jai”.

While the incident took place on March 26 and police complaint submitted the same day, a police case was registered late on Tuesday evening.

“We are trying to zero in on the accused and also need to verify the sequence. For now we have registered a case of causing hurt and wrongful restraint as further probe in the case is on,” said a police officer.

The victims — Dilkash, Ajmal and Naeem — all aged around 18, are students of a madrasa and live in Mohammadi Mosque in Ramesh Enclave. Dilkash claimed his hand was fractured in the incident.

The alleged attack took place at Baanswaala or Bamboo Park around 6 p.m. last Saturday.

While the boys claimed the attack on them was unprovoked, a police officer said the sequence of events would be established only after the suspects are arrested.

“We were taking a stroll around the park when one of the five men hit Ajmal on the back of his head. Before we could make sense of what was going on, they started abusing us and ordered us to chant Jai Mata Ki, which we refused to do,” said Dilkash. Ajmal and Naeem added that they were asked to chant slogans such as Bharat Mata Ki Jai and Pakistan Murdabad.

But, the refusals met with an instant backlash as the attackers thrashed them with green bamboo stalks. The boys claimed that somehow they managed to escape and run back to the mosque before calling the police control room. The police then took them to the Sanjay Gandhi Hospital.

Dilkash’s injuries were more severe than that of the other two. While speaking to The Hindu, the boys claimed they had seen the suspects in the area in the past and a couple of them stayed in an adjoining locality but said they had no enmity or even acquaintance with them. In his statement to the police, however, Dilkash has given two names – Pintu and Sahil – but without added details such as addresses or names.

“We were waiting to receive the medical reports,” said the officer explaining the reasons for the delay in registering a case. Meanwhile area residents said there was no history of communal tension despite the mixed population.

The youth alleged that an unidentified group of men asked them to chant sensitive slogans

Source: thehindu.com/news/cities/Delhi/three-students-beaten-up-in-begampur/article8411359.ece

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TOTAL COMMENTS:-   14


  • Ref: Comment by Mr. Ghulam Mohiuddin.:
    Every individual is free to do anything. Allah has given this freedom after showing the "Sirate Mustaqeem". You are free to chant anything. As commented earlier, many Muslims drink, many are involved in usury and many in other kinds of similar things. But they cannot claim that such acts are according to Islam and other Muslims should follow.
    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 4/8/2016 1:24:03 AM



  • Dr.Haque, not all Muslims see shirk in "Bharat Mata ki jai". Those who consider it to be shirk need not chant it.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/6/2016 2:48:18 PM



  • Ref: Comment by Mr. Ghulam Mohiyuddin - What is in heart and what is on lip must be the same. Honesty is an important element of Islam. Islam does not permit double talk and double standard. We cannot cheat people by saying something and doing something else. More importantly if our intention is to deceive people by that, the same is more dangerous. If we are honest, chances are that people will understand our view point better and finally agree.

    Please read this:
    The Belief in the Oneness and Uniqueness of Allaah (Tawheed) does not only mean to accept that there is no Creator but Allaah, and that Allaah is the Sovereign Rabb (Lord). The person who admits to this fact yet at the same time insists to associate partners with Allaah in worship, is a Mushrik (committing Shirk) even though he may daily utter the Shahaadah. Tawheed, however, embodies the love of Allaah alone; submission, humility, complete obedience, and sincerity of worship to Allaah alone. All of our life must be for His sake. Whoever acknowledges this meaning of Tawheed then he understands the saying of the Prophet Muhammad (صلى الله عليه وسلم):


    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 4/6/2016 12:21:21 AM



  • I agree with Dehlvi sahib and Shahin sahib.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/3/2016 2:49:07 PM



  • "I wish Muslims were to come back to Quran: La Ikraha fid Den (There is no compulsion in religion, or more correctly, way of life, (Al Baqara :256)). But, of course, our theologians have declared that verses teaching peace and pluralism, freedom of expression, etc. have been abrogated and replaced by Medinan verses of war, intolerance and xenophobia. 

    Hence the vicious cycle of war and terrorism in which we are stuck, God knows, for how long."

    Well-spirited and highly appreciated comment.


    By Ghulam Rasool Dehlvi - 4/3/2016 3:22:46 AM



  • Dr.Haque,
    Some Muslims believe that if they say "Bharat Mata ki jai," they are committing the serious sin of shirk. Others believe that it is not what is on your lips but what is in your heart that matters. How should we resolve this?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/3/2016 2:10:02 AM



  • Vande Mataram? Submitted by naghma on Mon, 08/10/2009 - 12:11

     Some hundred years ago Bankim Chandra Chatterjee wrote a novel in Bengali, Aanandamat. A long Sanskrit poem called Vande Mataram, which he had written earlier, was included in it and was recited by one of the characters of the novel. One section of Indian society holds that this is a patriotic song.

    Therefore, it wants the students of educational institutions all over India to sing it daily at the morning assembly to inculcate the spirit of patriotism. On the other hand, another group is of the opinion that this song makes references to certain gods and goddesses of a specific religion, and is therefore suitable only for that section of society, which believes in them. For the other sections of society, which subscribe to other religions, singing a song that glorifies the gods and goddesses of any other religion would be against their own religion.

    This controversy has existed between these two groups from days before 1947 and has survived all these years. Recent developments have brought this issue once again into the limelight, as 7th September 2006 is the 100th anniversary of Vande Mataram and those who believe in the sanctity of this song want it to be sung all over India on that day. After India achieved its independence in 1947, Pandit Jawahar Lal Nehru, the first Prime Minister of India, said that the biggest drawback to India's progress was that Indians lack the 'scientific temper.' Unfortunately, this holds true till today.

    The Vande Mataram controversy is but one of the many manifestations of this fact. It is evident that, in dealing with this issue, both groups have abandoned reason and have taken the path of extremism. And the phenomenon of extremism inevitably results from an emotional rather than a scientific approach. What needs to be kept in mind, first and foremost, while dealing with this issue is that Vande Mataram is just a part of a novel. It forms part neither of the Vedas nor the Geeta nor any other religious text. This proves the fact that this is by no means a religious issue. Thus, those who claim that singing this song is a threat to our religion, say so without giving the matter due thought. However, if they wish to oppose the singing of this song on the 7th of September, they must also object to other similar things.

     For example Iqbal once said while addressing a Brahmin, "Patthar ki murti mein samjha hai tu khuda hai, khake watan ka mujh ko har zarra dewta hai." Here Iqbal says that every particle of my homeland (India) is a god or idol for me, which indeed is a super Vande Mataram. Now, if we take what Iqbal wrote seriously, then we have to criticize him too. Thus, it is very important not to take everything to a logical end. Those favoring the singing of this song have not given enough thought to this issue. They believe that the singing of Vande Mataram would infuse people with a feeling of patriotism.

     But Vande Mataram has been sung consistently over the past 60 long years and the question this brings us to is, has it by any stretch of the imagination succeeded in instilling patriotism? Anyone who has seen pre- independent India, when there was not much mention of Vande Mataram, will know that in those days there was patriotism par excellence. In fact singing Vande Mataram is a cultural matter.

    Practically, it has nothing to do with religion or, as 60 years of its continuous singing shows, with the progress of our nation. So, the pro-Vande Mataram group hopes that this song will enhance patriotism among Indians and the anti-Vande Mataram group fears that the religion of their children will be jeopardized, both hope and fear are equally baseless in this regard. Vande Mataram is nothing but a ritualistic song and a ritualistic song cannot enhance the spirit of patriotism and neither can it decrease the belief in a religion. Its previous history is enough to prove this point. Now is the time for introspection and a reassessment of all that we have thought and done so far.

    If we make this reassessment, we shall realize that the need of the hour in our country is actually education. A survey recently conducted all over India revealed that the number of places of worship in India (church, temples, mosques, gurudwaras, etc) is greater than the number of educational institutions. We therefore need to work towards eliminating this fatal disparity and must not waste time on an issue as trivial as the one at hand. Therefore, today we need Vande Education and not Vande Mataram. cpsglobal.org Maulana Wahiduddin Khan


    By Sahab Ali Khan - 4/3/2016 1:16:26 AM



  • Ref. Comment of Mr. Ghulam Mohiyuddin sb.:
    Islam is not a faith which can be left to the choice of few of the 'Muslims' that they will do something or leave something as per their convenience and Islam will modify accordingly. It is based on solid grounds. As far as accepting the instructions of Islam is concerned, that is left to individual's choice. Everyone is responsible for his/her own deed and people will be questioned only about themselves not for others. 

    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 4/3/2016 12:25:33 AM



  • Bharat Mata ki Jai, Bandey Matram and other slogans like that are not religious slogans. Bande Matram was used by many as the salutation of the Ghadar Party. I personally like them and love them. But these slogans are optional. I  agree with Shaheen Sahib that they should not be forced. 
    By Bhandari P. Singh - 4/2/2016 10:17:29 AM



  • If a Muslim can become Kafir by reciting few words then his religion has no bearing on his spiritual relationship with Allah. These clerics believe show of religion is more important than substance because they can see the show and judge a person's belief on the show and drama he presents in front of them. Shame on their concept of Islam and shame on them.
    By mohammad imran - 4/2/2016 10:16:11 AM



  • Dear Truth, apart from Maulana Arshad Madani, who by and large agrees with me, other Mullahs are also forcing Muslims NOT to say Bharat Mata ki Jay, and saying this against Islam.

    This too is wrong. Using any kind of compulsion is wrong. Period. I wish Muslims were to come back to Quran: La Ikraha fid Den (There is no compulsion in religion, or more correctly, way of life, (Al Baqara :256)). But, of course, our theologians have declared that verses teaching peace and pluralism, freedom of expression, etc. have been abrogated and replaced by Medinan verses of war, intolerance and xenophobia. 

    Hence the vicious cycle of war and terrorism in which we are stuck, God knows, for how long.

    Look at the incredible procession of hundreds of thousands of Sufi-minded Barelvi Muslims in Pakistan who are worshipping at the grave of Mumtaz Qadri, a despicable murderer, executed by the Islamic republic of Pakistan. These Muslims are doing so under instructions from Mullahs whom "scientists" Like another commentator in this thread Dr M A Haque would call “scholars of Islam,” probably because they have long beards
    By Sultan Shahin - 4/2/2016 6:36:46 AM



  • As far as the Fatwa from Darul Uloom is concerned, it is totally in line with Islamic Principles. Now the question of Mr. Sultan Shahin's idea, or for that matter few other 'Muslims' they are free to do anything. There are 'Muslims' who drink, indulge in usury and fornication etc. Islam cannot change for such few 'Muslims'. Islamic Principles are non-negotiable. It was so earlier and will remain so forever.
    Lastly to call Mr Shahin an Islamic Scholar is gross misplacement of facts. He may claim anything. But he is not a Scholar of Islamic matters in real terms. Further by just reading books/papers etc. one does not become Islamic Scholar. One has to practice Islam in his day to day life/dealings. I am not sure how far he does so. I am sorry to say that I differ on this count and I am sure people who know him will agree with me.

    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 4/2/2016 2:52:55 AM




  • the matter is not about who can decide or can not decide, the problem is that the extremist Hindus are forcing this chanting over Muslims. This is very dangerous. Their fatwas are not forcing you but they are just calling the extremist people not to force them over chanting this slogan as it is not only according to them but even according to Sufis, this kind of chanting is not allowed. Muslims must say Hindustan Zindabad. 


    By Truth - 4/2/2016 12:25:02 AM



  • People can decide for themselves whether to chant a particular slogan or not. We do not need Darul Uloom fatwas to tell us what to do.


    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/1/2016 3:49:14 PM



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