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Debating Islam (10 Jun 2008 NewAgeIslam.Com)

Is it wrong for Muslim Ulema to disassociate Islam from Terrorism?


Debate Points:


Some Muslims are troubled by the fact that Muslim ulema are vociferously disassociating themselves and their religion Islam from Terrorism while the religious leaders of other religions are not doing so. They are demanding, as is Dr. Mustafa Kamal Sherwani in the following communication, that other religious leaders also do so:


“Following the footsteps of our so-called Ulema, who are crying hoarse in every corner of the country that ''terrorists have no relation with Islam', I would like to request Hindu religious leaders to come out with specific declaration that the members of World Hindu Federation are individual terrorists and have no concern with Hinduism. Similarly, the Christian Church world over must also proclaim in unambiguous words that the American and other European forces committing all  sorts of barbarities in Iraq and Afghanistan are the worst terrorists of their time and have not the remotest relation with the tenets of universal brotherhood of Christianity. '


“ Dr.Mustafa Kamal Sherwani, LL.D.

 “President , All India Muslim Forum

 “Lucknow, UP, India”


The question before us is: Is this the right attitude? Is this conducive to peace? Should we allow our egos to get the better of us? Can we not understand that other religious leaders do not need to do so because the terrorists belonging to their religion do not use their religion as a shield as Muslim terrorists do? Did Maulana Abul Ala Maudoodi, the chief ideologue of Jamaat-e-Islami and the chief instigator of terrorism in the world today, along with Syed Qutub, himself not say that Islam spread with the splendour of the sword that the Prophet took in his hands? Do the so-called Islamic terrorists not proclaim the award of the keys of Heavenly bliss to terrorists who are taking innocent lives in total contravention of Islamic tenets and the explicit instructions of the Holy Quran?


Do Hindu or Christian terrorists do that? Have you heard LITTE telling its cadre that if they take innocent lives they would go to Heaven because the Bhagwad Geeta says so or any other such absurdity? Do the Christians do that? Do the Basque terrorists, for instance, or did the IRA tell its cadre that they are going to Heaven if they kill people?


In my humble opinion, our Islamic egos should be hurt more by the fact that terrorists are misusing the name of Islam to pursue their nefarious goals and that we should do our utmost to disassociate ourselves and, more importantly, our religion from this madness. I think this is a subject worth debating at length.


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  • If Muslims could leave Islam without being killed byother Muslims how many Muslims would be left on the planet ? Answer: zero ornone. It is the threat to one's life that keeps Islam evil and populated. Thesemuslim slaves of invented Allah are doomed forever in the hands of the madmanwho invented allah and brought a curse on everything and everyone Islamtouches. Islam haram. Repeat after me ...Islam haram. Understand?
    Islam is the problem. Islam has to be abolished. As long as even one human is aMuslim this planet will never see peace. Take my word for it.
    Islam is the problem. Islam makes people evil. This is a fact.

     Evil people are a BIG drain to our planet’sresources like a raging fire. For our planet’s limited resources and our safetywe should kill each and every fire once we have identified it as evil. Feedinga fire is suicide and not good for our planet’s resources. So in the end whatwill happen to Islam? Will Islam just vanish? ISLAM HAS TO BE ABOLISHED.
    Evil people are a BIG drain to our planet’s resources like a raging fire. Forour planet’s limited resources and our safety we should kill each and everyfire once we have identified it as evil. Feeding a fire is suicide and not goodfor our planet’s resources.

    So in the end what will happen to Islam?
    Will Islam just vanish?

    "They said nothing's better than paradise and you can earn that by killingnon-believers."
    "They prayed all the time and read the Koran so I thought they were goodpeople."
    "Women should be exposed to the day light three times in their lives. Whenthey are born, when they are married and when they die." - Islamic saying.

    Pure Muslim is a term for a very very evil human being.
    When will Muslims realise that Islam is haram ?
    By dr.music - 5/10/2011 3:00:22 PM

  • Car313 says, "I HAVE left Hinduism."

    Smearing the religions of others is your new religion.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/19/2011 2:43:32 PM

  • Dear Ghulam Mohiyuddin

    I HAVE left Hinduism. To me it means nothing. I have found better things than Hinduism, Islam or Christianity or what have you. I am no more slave to what some Vedas or some Quran or Torah or Bible say.

    I have grown out of the need for religion and conversely religion has no need for me. Every agnostic is one zombie less. I leave all the mumbo jumbo to people who still have a need to believe in trees that talk, asses that fly, heavens that have 72 voluptuous virgins, a sun that is driven by seven horses, an incarnation in the shape of a fish, Brahmins that have been born out of the mouth of a god, man as created in the shape of God and the joke of a chosen people.

    I do not feel the need to believe in what some stupid book or a deluded prophet says or the son of god claims. Perhaps you do. It is a fact that most of us never get out of childhood conditioning. But that does not mean one can not. One only has to think for himself, which I daresay is one of the world's most difficult feats. But you should try, before you entirely become a unquestioning believer. If thinking for oneself is too much of a bother, you could always go back to the faith of your birth.

    More knowledgeable Islamic Ulemas have defended things Islamic, which by your assertion are un Islamic. Al Azhar syas the veil is Islamic, perhaps you disagree. Suicide bombers claim Sufism is un Islamic, perhaps you disagree. Ghamdi feels that blasphemy laws have no Islamic basis, but all Muslim majority nations promugate blasphemy laws. To boot, poor Mr Ghamdi has to flee to Malaysia just to keep his flesh and soul together. You mean there is something you know which entire nations do not? If you believed that, that would be rather presumptuous I think. Try telling to the Taliban that Jihad is unislamic. Try telling a Hindu that the caste system in Un-Hindu. Try telling the Jews calling theselves the chosen people is un Jewish.

    In the meanwhile, shrapnel flies and rips people to peices. I could qoute till I become blue in the gills. I am sure you could too.

    So coming to the crux, how does a third party decide who is telling the truth? Or with whom do the affected parties negotiate? With a minority like you or the majority like them?

    Maybe its time we all started questioning and doubting what our religious texts tell us. Agnosticism is the only starting point for a fresh dialogue. But it is not for the faint of heart. It takes enormous courage and perhaps in your case a very real threat to life.



    By car313 - 4/19/2011 8:51:34 AM

  • Car313 says, " I AM blaming Hinduism for what these two Hindu terrorists have done."

    What does that mean in practical terms? Does it mean you will leave Hinduism? Does it mean you will bring some Mahrishis to court? Or should some VHP swamis offer apologies and hold a public atonement session? Or is it just empty words on your part?

    Car313 says, " as a Muslim you feel obliged to defend everything Islamic."

    Why should I defend it if I do not consider it to be Islamic? I condemn Islamist terrorism just as I condemn Hindutva terrorism. By the way, have you seen me defend it? If not, were you just lying when you said, " as a Muslim you feel obliged to defend everything Islamic"? I do not know any Muslims who defend Islamist terrorism.

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/18/2011 11:09:19 PM

  • Dear Ghulam Mohiyuddin,

    You pose a rhetorical question:

    "If Swami Aseemanand and Sadhvi Pragya are terrorists, are we goingto blame Hinduism for that?"

    Yes! Very assuredly I am. I AM blaming Hinduism for what these two Hinduterrorists have done. I cannot do otherwise. My sense of values does not allowme to separate the heart and the heart beat. While there might be a heartwithout the heartbeat (a dead heart), there cannot be a heartbeat without aheart. I see no issues with that. You bet I blame Hinduism for the SamjhauthaBlast, the Mecca Masjid Blast, the widow burning, the oppression of theShudras, the burning of Graham Stains, the Gujarat Carnage, the Manusmrithi anda whole lot of other things that might just bore you to death.

    Surely if is this Sadhvi baby and the Aseemanand nut case who are selfprofessed Hindus choose to blow up somebody, I have no business in blaming anyother religion than the one to which they subscribe! Nothing illogical here.For instance, when this Sadhvi baby and this Aseema nutcase blow up SamjhauthaExpress, I cannot very well blame Shintoism or the Seventh Day Adventists. Iwould be a damn fool if I did.

    What I can venture here (though I cannot claim it to be the actualcase), while as a Muslim you feel obliged to defend everything Islamic, as anagnostic, I do not feel constrained at all to defend the indefensible, even ifit were the religion of my birth. Obviously you do. While I can afford theluxury of religious doubt, you obviously cannot. To me the religion of my birthis not necessarily the religion of my conscience. To you this dichotomy will befatal. To me it is inconsequential. Herein lies the vast difference between us.

    By the way, I really appreciate and cherish the fact that I haveabsolutely no fear of a killing fatwa from Hindu religious "leaders"and for that they will always have my unconditional appreciation. I am not verysure you can say the same about your professed faith system or the system youwere born into.

    So there you have it!

    By car313 - 4/18/2011 1:18:14 PM

  • Car313 says, " they scream that Islam has nothing to do with terror." Hindus too scream that Hindus cannot be terrorists.

    He further says, "Each time Jihadis press the button on the detonators or torch places of worship or assasinate dissenters they scream "Allah hu Akbar"."

    That does not prove anything. If a terrorist thinks he is a true Muslim, that is a delusion. Only fools would use that to tarnish a religion. If Swami Aseemanand and Sadhvi Pragya are terrorists, are we going to blame Hinduism for that?

    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 4/11/2011 1:40:40 PM

  • Hypersensitivity and dishonesty are characterising the Islamic response to terror. On the one hand they scream that Islam has nothing to do with terror. But sadly each time Jihadis press the button on the detonators or torch places of worship or assasinate dissenters they scream "Allah hu Akbar"

    So why blame people if they connect the points and blame Islam for terrorism? When some nutjob in Florida burns the Quran, Afghans kill their fellow Muslims. If some Danish Cartoonist draws a cartoon of Muhammad Muslims kill their co-religionists in Kashmir.

    Ultimately Islam is what Muslims do. Similarly Hinduism is what Hindus do. If Islam is not what Muslims do and Hinduism is not what Hindus do, we are in a very untenable positions. Also if one compiles the statistics of terrorist attacks, the overwhelming numbers have been perpetrated by people professing the Muslim faith. (It is for other Muslims to decide these killers are Muslim are not. But for all non Muslims the conclusion is inescapable.

    When Saudi Arabia routinely confiscates and destroys Bibles, how many Christians responded by beheadings and bomb attacks? When MF Hussain paints portraits of Hindu goddesses in the nude how many Hindus have responded by beheading and murder? When Bamiyan Buddha statues were dynamited by pious Muslims how many Buddhists went on rampage? When Saudi Arabian text books describe Jews and Christians as apes and pigs how many Jews go on rampage.

    What is grossly missing from the Muslim discourse on terrorism is honesty. Non Muslims have nothing to do but conclude that Muslims and or Islam has two sets of ethics. One for themselves and another for the "other".

    So what gives?

    By car313 - 4/11/2011 11:26:57 AM

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