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From the Desk of Editor (27 Feb 2012 NewAgeIslam.Com)

Should these 'Islamist' loonies be allowed to roam the streets or sent to a mental asylum? Sultan Shahin asks New Age Islam readers

Is this about time dear readers, we asked ourselves, should we allow such horrific demonstrations of so-called Islamist madness to continue in our midst. I will not write any more. I have just watched the video linked below and I am in any case speechless.


Uploaded on YouTube by CorporalNym on Feb 26, 2012

This video is a MIRROR from AmetSpeaks's
It is taken from a one hour long BBC3 programme called 'My Home Grown Fanatics' broadcast several times last week. Week ending 25th February 2012. The presenter is Stacey Dooley.
Anjem Choudary makes an appearance

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  • Looney Luton. I know the place. The larger Muslim community there is getting more and more dysfunctional as the religious brigade takes hold of the youth for brain washing.
    Their parents who had fled their home countries, and oppressive Sharia regimes, often as stowaways in various transport modes are taking undue advantage of the home country’s tolerant attitude to such jingoism.
    Unfortunately the educated ones, young and old, prefer to remain on the side line and watch these shenanigans on TV!

    By Rashid - 2/29/2012 5:03:27 AM

  • of course these are lunatics.they have dared to on streets in U.K.due to freedom of speech and all,always misused by all sort of lunatics(muslims and non muslims) alike.
    By kausar shaikh - 2/29/2012 12:45:27 AM

  • Besides madrasas, we should also blame Jamaat-e-Islami as well as Zakir Naik for the growth of such closed-minded trends.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/29/2012 12:34:44 AM

  • It is a gross abuse of privileges that a host country like Britain accords these religious brigades who have or their parents have run away from intolerant and oppressive countries where the same Sharia laws exist that they now demand in Britain!
    This is an example where the so called silent majority – even of young people -is cowed in and engaged in polite intellectualism but does not come out on the streets to support the likes of the girl in Red.
    Luton I know is a dysfunctional society!

    By Rashid - 2/28/2012 11:17:31 PM

  • Mike Ghouse says: I will not let him enter America with his hate message, and I urge you to keep him out of India. My Comment: One does not keep this man out of India. India already has Zakir Naik there to do the job.
    By Syed Rizvi - 2/28/2012 11:14:41 PM

  • What is going on here on the road is being done and projected in a wrong manner, but my point is something else. Quite often, I feel that some of our learned modern intellectuals have declared the Moulvis and Imams are extremists and what is being taught in Madarsas and Islamic centres is anti-social and anti-pluralism. I am shocked to notice how is it possible if Islam is a religion of universal peace and brotherhood? What text and from which sources are there being taught? Why dont we mention some text and curriculla implemented there and then discuss its negative points and side-effects?
    By Raihan Nezami - 2/28/2012 10:12:48 PM

  • What comes out of the mouth of a moulvi/extremist is what he has been made to believe in the madrassas and religious schools / universities in conservative Islamic centers. Unless the academic curriculum of these schools and institutions is cleansed of supremacist and hate inspiring materials and antiquated theological discourses, waves upon waves of potential extremists and radicals will trot out of these academies, bring disgrace to Islam and reduce it to a cult as they have virtually done by their singular emphasis on rituals and symbolism and obliviousness to the core/ functional paradigms of their faith. A recent article (referenced below) tables a strong case for such a transformation. It rattled up the ahle-Hadith theological leadership (Moulana Wajidi of Deoband school) who reverted with a long discourse refuting its arguments but few general readers commented. We don’t want to go to the root of the problem but constantly grumble about and pay for the consequences, while the problem persists – in fact grows with time.
    The evolution of the Hadith sciences and the Prophet’s Sunna and the need for a Major Paradigm Shift regarding the role of the Hadith Corpus and the scope of Madrassa education.

    By muhammad yunus - 2/28/2012 9:02:14 PM

  • I am not shocked to see this crowd in the heart of England, demanding for Sharia law and telling people on the road, non Muslims will burn in hell. This is neither a religion nor Islam, it’s a naked form of Politicial Islam which has to be defeated in any form. All religious activities must be confined to house or their respective religious places. No one must be allowed to bring this non-sense in the street. Anjum Chaudhry is the one who made news in India when he called for Gherao of Indian Parliament for demanding implementation of Sharia. English society has to find answer from within, why they have imported the dirt from all over the world? Why a section of its society is continuously slipping into alienation? And one most important question we should ask ourselves too, why we give so much attention to a person who has the capacity to bring 100 people on the street? He cannot contest a Pardhan’s elecletion in Indian village, why we are out to make him so serious? I refuse to recognise such Shariat-Junkies…
    By Shamsahd Elahee Shams - 2/28/2012 6:46:21 PM

  • That bearded man saying that all non-Muslims will go to Hell is a problem, but there are millions of them. We need to develop answers for them which are simple and effective. Not easy! Anyone trying to talk with them will be labelled "kafir" within three minutes.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/28/2012 2:54:11 PM

  • These are loonies, undoubtedly;BUT how is the Christian belief i.e. that the path to heaven is only through Jesus Christ any different? There are loonies in all faiths; unfortunately our Muslim ones are targetted exclusively. No need, therefore, for breast beating. We are as good or as bad as others!
    By aftab - 2/28/2012 8:19:25 AM

  • Evil persists if good men do nothing about it. I had an opportunity to bash Anjem Choudhary on Nationally syndicated radio and put him in his place.

    I will not let him enter America with his hate message, and I urge you to keep him out of INdia. He will destory the intricate fabric of India.

    Maintaining law and order is the responsiblity of every one in the society.

    Anjem does not know Islam. I have posted a fuller comment on Sharia in India article
    By mike ghouse - 2/28/2012 7:16:52 AM

  • based on this footage alone we can conclude that the girl in the red dress is a better 'muslim' than the others.
    By adis - 2/28/2012 7:02:45 AM

  • Moulvi Chiragh Ali (1844-1895) a renowned Indian Muslim scholar of the late 19th century had said: “chand machhlian darya ka bahao nahin roke sakteen aur chand jharian hawa ka rukh nahin pher sakteen.” If he were to rise from his grave today, he would be horrified to see that his message failed to reach home even in a hundred and fifty years and the Muslim community which has as little say in scheme of thing as a few fish in a river or a cluster of bushes in the storm – is aspiring to change the social order of the United Kingdom, being itself a small, marginalized and clout-less minority there. In his epic poem ‘Maddu jazare Islam’, Altaf Hussain Hali (1837-1914), another champion of Islamic cause and intellectual luminary of that era, had compared the Indian Muslims of his time with the oxen of the Kolu (Oil Mill) who stand in the same place, having walked all life. If he were to watch the video and look at the calendar, tears may roll down his eyes at the realization that his despair laden poetic imagery had taken firm root among his people. Allama Iqbal, who came a little later on the stage of history was more terse in summing up his portrayal of the pain of the Muslims (taswire dard). He said: “nahi minnat kashe tabe shunidan dastan meri – khamoshi guftugu hai be zubani hai zuban meri” [My power of listening cannot oblige my story – so silence is my speech and speechlessness my tongue]. So, Sultan Saheb – you are only echoing the sentiments of these great intellectuals and thinkers of Islam of more than a century ago.
    On my part, I only wish the UK protesters could gain access to and take a serious look at any of these articles recently posted on your website – the concluding remarks of which is added below to readily inform their substance:
    1. The Classical Islamic Law (Islamic Sharia Law) is NOT a Word of God!

    Conclusion: “…With an endless series of paradigm shifts in human civilization from the medieval era to this day, many of the Classical Islamic Law’s rulings stand in conflict with the modern secular values, creating a civilizational divide. Besides, its application by the Islamists and extremist Muslim outfits such as in Pakistan, Afghanistan, Sudan is pushing those countries to anarchy and civil war. Most alarmingly, some of its preposterous rulings and notions that remain buried in its exhaustive discourses feed Islamophobia, Islamopathy, radicalization, Islamofacism, violent sectarianism and international terrorism, demonize Islam and its Prophet, and trivialize the entire global Muslim country in the eyes of the rest of the world. Thus, any perceptive mind would conclude that in the historical perspective, the domain of the Classical Islamic Law (Islamic Sharia Law) has run out its course. However, the Divine Sharia of Islam – the Qur’an is beyond history’s timeframe. Its compatibility with the Western secular values and pluralistic, humanistic, gender neutral, universal paradigms [1 above] crown it as the ideal alternative to the Classical Islamic Law. However, the Qur’an must be probed in a historic-critical, gender-neutral, intra-textual and universal manner while its best meaning must be sought (39:18, 39:55). [14]
    2. Muslims have NO Qur’anic basis for Religious Supremacism
    Conclusion: “From the Qur’anic perspective all faith communities – Christians, Jews, and others – regardless of whether or not they are mentioned in the Qur’an (4:164, 40:78) - belong to the universal religion of Islam (Submission to God and doing of good deeds), and so do the followers of the Prophet – the Muslim community. Each member of the universal faith of Islam, whether he or she is a Muslim, a Christian, a Jew or has any other faith not explicitly mentioned in the Qur’an because of its historic context, will be judged solely on the basis of his/her deeds and none can claim any spiritual supremacy over the others.”
    3. Any fatwa imposing full/face veil (burqa/niqab), headscarf on Muslim women as a religious requirement is anti-Qur’anic.
    Conclusion: “Wearing of any external head to toe veil burqa, niqab, covering of head and gender-based segregation are not specified, though women may wear them depending upon the dressing norm of their place.”
    4. Confronting Islamophobia in America: Need for a Major Paradigm shift in Mosque Proceedings
    – A 12 point agenda for serious consideration by the board of all mosques and Islamic centers and the whole spectrum of Muslim community leaders in America.

    By muhammad yunus - 2/27/2012 10:23:09 PM

  • We are using the Quran to damn others! The question arises whether literalization has made us stupid or stupidity is the reason why we literalize.
    By Ghulam Mohiyuddin - 2/27/2012 9:52:16 PM

  • It is the reality of the muslim world where ever they are given space in other belief. they exactly do the opposite where they are in majority. Muslim believe that they need not comply to law if it is not as per sharia and even if it is not as per the law of the land. Honestly, it is good for other belief to send these people back to any county where sharia is the law and all can live peacefully.
    By satwa gunam - 2/27/2012 8:42:20 PM

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