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Are The Ahadith More Than Just Unreliable Hearsay?



By Naseer Ahmed, New Age Islam

17 October 2015

With the help of the Ahadith, let us examine whether there will be more women in Hell than Men.

The Sayings of the Prophet contain both facts and his opinion. As far as opinion is concerned, he made it clear that he was human and prone to error. Let us therefore classify each hadith as fact or opinion

Fact or Opinion?

It was narrated from ‘Imran Ibn Husayn that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I looked into Paradise and I saw that the majority of its people were the poor. And I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.”

(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737)

What the Prophet saw must be classified as fact. The question however is how did he see anyone in hell or heaven before the Day of Judgment? We will presume that the Prophet was shown what it would be like after the Day of Judgment.

Fact 1: Women Form The Majority In Hell.

Let us now explore the reasons as to why this is so. With regard to the reason for this, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about it and he explained the reason.

It was narrated that ‘Abd-Allah ibn ‘Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) said: “I was shown Hell and I have never seen anything more terrifying than it. And I saw that the majority of its people are women.” They said, “Why, O Messenger of Allah?” He said, “Because of their ingratitude (Kufr).” It was said, “Are they ungrateful to Allah?” He said, “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment. If you are kind to one of them for a lifetime then she sees one (undesirable) thing in you, she will say, ‘I have never had anything good from you.’” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 1052)

Reason 1: Because they are ungrateful to their husbands. (Opinion and not fact)

Reason 1 is clearly the Prophet’s opinion. If it was fact, there would have been a corresponding verse in the Quran which we do not find.

It was narrated that Abu Sa’eed al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) said: 

“The Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) went out to the Musalla (prayer place) on the day of Eid al-Adha or Eid al-Fitr. He passed by the women and said, ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’  He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”

(Narrated by al-Bukhari, 304)

Reason 2: They are deficient in intelligence because the testimony of two equals the testimony of one man

Reason 2 must be dismissed as a poor opinion which is not in accordance with the Quran because the Quran merely allows two women to give a single testimony jointly. They are not required to give two testimonies separately. This is also a concession and not a legal requirement. If we take this Hadith to be correct then it means that the Prophet (pbuh) did not understand the verse correctly. This is preposterous and therefore we must dismiss it as a concocted Hadith. Please see my article on the subject:

 Is A Woman’s Testimony Worth Half That of A Man?

Reason 3: Deficient in religion because the women can neither pray nor fast during menses

If at all Reason 3 is a deficiency, it is on the part of the Creator (Nauzobillah) and not on the part of the women. Reason 3 should be dismissed as utter nonsense and most probably as a fabricated Hadith and a blatant lie.

Contradictory Hadith

Once some people discussed whether there would be more men in Paradise or more women. It was upon this that Saaiduna Abu Hurairah Radiallahu Anhu reported that Abul Qasim (the Prophet of Allah Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam) said: …every person entering heaven would have two (worldly) wives and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and there would be none without a wife in Paradise. (Sahih Muslim)

Hafiz Bin Hajar (RA) says, ‘Saaiduna Abu Huraira Radiallahu Anhu used this Hadith as a proof to maintain that there would be more women in Paradise than men.’ (Fath ul Bari p.400 v.6)

There is now an apparent contradiction in the two Ahadith which have been reconciled in the following ways:

1. The women could be more in Hell and less in Paradise at the beginning. Thereafter, when they were purified of their sins or when intercession on their behalf is accepted, they would enter Paradise and they would outnumber the men there too. (Fathul Bari p.401 v.6)

But then why aren’t men also getting purified and entering heaven? This is a nonsensical explanation.

2. The Hadith could refer to the moment when the Prophet of Allah Salallahu Alaihi Wasallam had physically seen Paradise and Hell. They do not mention that it will always remain like that. (Faidhul Bari p.244 v.4)

Even then, how from a small minority in Heaven, the women now number twice the number of men?

It is possible that it is a fact that there will be more women in hell than men. For this, there is a simple explanation without running down the women for their gender as disobedient, ungrateful, deficient in intelligence and deficient in religion! The Hadith and the explanations blaspheme Allah, the Quran and the Prophet (SAW)

Explanation in Statistics:

Considering the entire world, there are 107 males born for every 100 females. By age 15 the number becomes 105:100 because of a relatively higher mortality of male children. Since the children go to heaven and the male child mortality rate is higher by 47%  as compared with females, (overall mortality rate =5.7%), you simply have 147 male children for every 100 female children in Heaven.

As far as adults go it is mostly men who get killed in war. There are two sides in a war. Those on the side of justice and those on the side of oppression. So roughly 50% of those who get killed in war end up in heaven and the other 50% in hell. Without war, the same men, if they had died a natural death, not more than 10% may have made it to heaven. War therefore skews the proportion of males going to heaven significantly.

Every person born must either go to heaven or hell. Since more males are born than females, all things being equal, we should expect more men in both heaven as well as hell. The factors discussed however, skews these numbers whereby the number of males going to hell gets significantly reduced either because of higher infant mortality or war.

Is God Just By Favouring The Male Gender?

The statistical explanation must also be dismissed because then the question arises “is God unjust by favouring one gender”.

God has given women motherhood which is not without rewards offsetting every other gender related disadvantage.  “ …in travail upon travail did his mother bear him, and in years twain was his weaning..” (31:14)

“…(reverence) the wombs (That bore you)…” (4:1)

A mother also plays a key role in the upbringing of her children and if the children turn out to be Saliheen or virtuous, then the rewards are immense.

The Ahadith on this subject therefore appear to be extremely weak on both fact and opinion and must be dismissed as unreliable hearsay.

 It is clear that the men would like to have the best of both the worlds and have concocted the Ahadith accordingly. First they must have women who obey them and are grateful to them. This is achieved by telling them that the majority in hell will comprise women only because they are ungrateful to their husbands and disobedient. They must also be kept in their place by telling them that they are deficient in both intelligence and religion. Subjugating them in this life is not enough. The must also have two worldly women as their wives in Heaven when there isn’t even half a woman for each man! The religion of Islam has been distorted by the men to subjugate their women and serve their interests. The Ahadith are anything but divine. These are mostly a collection of fanciful lies told by men and passed on for two centuries before this collection was compiled. The entire corpus is unreliable and must be either discarded or treated as Apocrypha.

The damage that the Ahadith do is multi fold. Since the Ahadith are full of contradictions and sometimes utter nonsense, a Muslim learns early that he should not expect his religion to either be logical or make sense. The environment is created for domination by the Sheikh ul Hadiths! A religion of reason has been reduced to a cult of nonsensical mumbo jumbo. The Ahadith are used as Furqan or criterion to abrogate verses of the Quran – the ultimate blasphemy!

Naseer Ahmed is an Engineering graduate from IIT Kanpur and is an independent IT consultant after having served in both the Public and Private sector in responsible positions for over three decades. He is a frequent contributor to NewAgeIslam.com.

URL: http://www.newageislam.com/islamic-ideology/naseer-ahmed,-new-age-islam/are-the-ahadith-more-than-just-unreliable-hearsay?/d/104946





TOTAL COMMENTS:-   24


  • "he was human and prone to error"
    this statement reflects wahaabi theology, while deobandis have somewhat different and barelvis have more different view. 
    Ambiya Maasum hote hain. Unse Galti Saadir nahi ho sakti

    By Raamiz - 1/14/2020 4:05:43 AM



  • It is narrated by Aisha (may Allah be pleased with her) that Allah’s Messenger was invited to lead the funeral prayer of a child of Ansar. I said, “O Messenger of Allah! Blessings for this one! A bird of birds of the Paradise. He has done no evil. Nor has he attained it.” He said, or otherwise, O Ayshah! Indeed, Allah has created those worthy of Paradise. He created them for it while they were in the loins of their forefathers. And He created those deserving of hell. He created them for it while they were in the loins of their forefather”
    This hadith seems to have indicated that deeds have no say on anyone’s going to paradise or hell. Yet there are many verses of the Quran which abrogate the apparent meaning of this hadith. One of the verses is as follows:
    “And those who believed and whose descendants followed them in faith - We will join with them their descendants, and We will not deprive them of anything of their deeds. Every person, for what he earned, is retained” (52:21).
    The scholars have consensus on the view that the children of believers who die at a very young age will go to paradise. This is also preferred view of the vast majority of scholars (ulama-e-jumhoor) that very young children of the disbelievers and polytheists will go to paradise.
    The afore-mentioned hadith may be explained that the Prophet (peace be upon him) cautioned Sayyidah Aysha (may Allah be pleased with her) no to make any categorical statement as she had done about the unseen. Another explanation is that till then it was not confirmed through the divine revelation that all infants would go to Paradise, for it is correct that even a child of non-Muslim parents would go to paradise.  
    By Ghulam Ghaus Siddiqi غلام غوث الصديقي - 1/13/2020 3:35:38 AM



  • I think we need such discussions on a number of ahadees separately. That would truly mark a way forward.
    By Sultan Shahin - 8/27/2017 9:50:36 AM



  • Dr Haque,

    Have you even understood my article? Your previous comment showed that what you had understood was the opposite of what I had said! 

    Hadiths in isolation? Are there any other relevant ahadith covering the question   "whether there will be more women in Hell than Men" which have been omitted?

    Invite your friend who is a knowledgeable Islamic scholar to refute what I have said.

    You must be out of your mind to think that I am attacking Islam. I am defending Islam and our beloved Messenger from being blasphemed through falsehood attributed to him by the narrators and the transmitters of the patently blasphemous ahadith and defended by moronic "Islamic Scholars" like your friend.

    Allah's Hidayat is for people who use Allah's gift of intellect and understanding. How can Hidayat reach those who cannot even see when a hadith blasphemes Allah and His Messenger through patent falsehood?


    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/20/2015 3:50:53 AM



  • I had referred the article to a knowledgeable Islamic scholar. His comments are below. It is worth reading:
    "The gentleman is among those pseudo scholars who haven't even scratched the surface of Islamic education. He has used Ahadith in isolation to fit his own preconceived deductions.
    History is full of such pseudo intellectuals who have criticised Islam for its shock value.
    Probably Allah would never give them Hidayah."

    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 10/20/2015 12:30:27 AM



  • Dear Zumamusa, Rizwan Sb has made a very good observation. Try to understand what he is saying.

     While I am blaming those who have transmitted the ahadith of concocting the ahadith, you are blaming Allah and the Prophet. What you are saying is:

     1.Allah showed the Prophet an unrepresentative sample of people in hell. In this sample the women were in the majority.

     2. Based on what the Prophet saw he said to the people: “ I looked into Hell and I saw that the majority of its people are women.” al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737. The Prophet only said what he saw so we cannot blame him.

    3. With regard to the reason for this, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allah be upon him) was asked about it and he explained the reason. “They are ungrateful to their companions (husbands) and ungrateful for good treatment” (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 1052). When the Prophet is giving out reasons, he obviously believes that the women will form majority in hell. So clearly he has been misled by what Allah showed him.

     On another occasion the Prophet addressed the women directly and said to them:

     ‘O women! Give charity, for I have seen that you form the majority of the people of Hell.’ They asked, ‘Why is that, O Messenger of Allah?’  He replied, ‘You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religious commitment than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you.’ The women asked, ‘O Messenger of Allah, what is deficient in our intelligence and religious commitment?’ He said, ‘Is not the testimony of two women equal to the testimony of one man?’ They said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Is it not true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?’ The women said, ‘Yes.’ He said, ‘This is the deficiency in her religious commitment.’”

    (Narrated by al-Bukhari, 304)

     So what you are saying  Zumamusa is that those who have transmitted the ahadith are not to blame and they have not told any lies but:

    1. Allah has shown an unrepresentative sample in which women were in the majority which caused the Prophet to be misled into believing that there will be more women in hell than men

    2. The Prophet jumped to conclusions based on what he saw and then justified to the men and women why women will be in the majority in hell by giving three reasons. a) They are ungrateful to their husbands b) They are deficient in intelligence c) they are deficient in religion

     So according to you the ahadith are not the lies of the people who narrated these but the mistake of Allah and his Prophet. That according to me is blasphemy. However, since these are mistakes, we can reject the conclusion that women will form the majority in hell.

    What about women being deficient in religion and intelligence? Why did God make them deficient in religion and intelligence?  So that he could throw them into hell? That is another blasphemy and you are accusing the Prophet of blaspheming Allah!

    You seem to be bent on blaspheming Allah and His Messenger.

    As for me, I think that these are the lies and concoctions of the people who narrated/transmitted these nonsensical “ahadith”. They are not even distortions but outright lies. The Prophet never said what is attributed to him in the cited ahadith. He and Allah are free from all blame. The people to blame are those who told these lies and those who defend and believe these lies. The criterion (Al-Furqan) for judging what is right and wrong is the Quran and by the Quran these ahadith are proved to be false. 


    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/19/2015 9:40:14 AM



  • I agree with what Dr Haque says. He has however completely misunderstood the meaning of what I said:

      "The Ahadith are used as Furqan or criterion to abrogate verses of the Quran – the ultimate blasphemy!"

    He should re read what I said very carefully. Let me elaborate for his sake. What I have said is those who use the ahadith to abrogate verses of the Quran blaspheme the Quran. 

     I am however amazed at the misunderstanding since it should be clear to everyone that I am rubbishing all ahadith. How can then anyone jump to the conclusion that I am privileging the ahadith over the Quran.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/19/2015 9:37:00 AM



  • Dr Haque says:


    "The author says: "The Ahadith are used as Furqan or criterion to abrogate verses of the Quran – the ultimate blasphemy!"


    This is totally wrong. Nothing is above Qur'an. it is just not possible to abrogate Qur'an with the help of Ahadeeth. If someone tries to do that, it is the person's choice. If people want to say something against Qur'an, they can do so even otherwise. No need to take the help (wrongly) of Ahadeeth. Large numbers of people, including Muslims (so called), are doing this with impunity. "

    I agree with what Dr Haque says. That is why I have said:"The Ahadith are used as Furqan or criterion to abrogate verses of the Quran – the ultimate blasphemy!" 

    Since Dr Haque  has misunderstood what I said, he should re read what I said very carefully. Let me elaborate for his sake. What I have said is those who use the ahadith to abrogate verses of the Quran blaspheme the Quran. 

    I am however amazed at his misunderstanding since it should be clear to everyone that I am rubbishing all ahadith. How did he then jump to the conclusion that I am privileging the ahadith over the Quran?

    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/19/2015 9:28:13 AM



  • Ahadith might not be treated as a book of lie despite it might seem more women than men at a glance.

    For instance, if you were given a chance as Muhammad that Allah would cause you to enter into dream to see what would be in the Paradise, would you act the same as Muhammad to comment what you had seen in the Paradise or to lie about it?  As there were trillions of dead in the hell, Allah could only show a portion of them to you instead of all of them since the number of the dead was too huge.  Those that were facing might not be distributed equally.  Instead, the part of the dead that was facing you would be overcrowded with criminals.  Would you tell the truth that you had seen many criminals in the hell or told a lie that not all were criminals?  As you would comment what you would have seen in the hell for what you had seen, it would mislead many that all the non-Muslims that are not criminals would be in Paradise.  Can we comment that you are a liar simply because you comment what you have seen?  Certainly not!  Likewise, we could not condemn Muhammad to tell lies when he commented what he had seen or heard.


    By zumamusa - 10/19/2015 7:06:05 AM



  • Dear Zumamusa
    By your own statistical logic Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) had committed a big mistake (nauzbillah).
    and your illogical logic makes the captioned Hadith logically illogic.

    by your own explanation the mentioned Hadith is statistically wrong.

    By rizwan - 10/19/2015 6:05:17 AM



  • I find that the article is based on wrong assumptions and consequent conclusions. Just one example. The author says: "The Ahadith are used as Furqan or criterion to abrogate verses of the Quran – the ultimate blasphemy!"
    This is totally wrong. Nothing is above Qur'an. it is just not possible to abrogate Qur'an with the help of Ahadeeth. If someone tries to do that, it is the person's choice. If people want to say something against Qur'an, they can do so even otherwise. No need to take the help (wrongly) of Ahadeeth. Large numbers of people, including Muslims (so called), are doing this with impunity.

    By Dr. M.A. Haque - 10/19/2015 3:57:17 AM



  • Dear Zumamusa,

    Read the article once again very carefully. The Hadith that you have cited is discussed in the article under the heading:

    Contradictory Hadith

    Since it contradicts the hadith al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737

    You can meditate on the two contradictory ahadith (items 1 and 3 below) and tell us why both should not be dismissed as nonsensical. You can also meditate on hadith under item 2 giving "reasons" as to why more women will be in hell and tell us why this should also not be dismissed as nonsensical.    
     
    1. al-Bukhari, 3241; Muslim, 2737 according to which the Prophet saw more women than men in hell.
    2.  al-Bukhari, 304 in which he gave reasons why there would be more women than men in hell
    3. Book #040, Hadith #6793 Contradictory  hadith according to which every man in heaven will have two worldy wives which means that there will be twice as many  women in heaven than men.

    All the three ahadith are nonsensical for the reasons articulated clearly in either my article or my comment which is reproduced below:

    If one has understood the Quran, he will develop the criterion for detecting the slightest flaw in the ahadith when these contradict the Quran.

    To even say that women or men will form an overwhelming majority in hell or heaven is to blaspheme Allah. If this is known well before doomsday, it not only means that there is a design error in creation but that Allah is aware of it and the error is deliberate. The dice is loaded against one gender or in favour of another. It also means that  Allah does not judge based on what he has given man. That Allah will apply the same standard to judge the weak and the strong, the rich and the poor, the scholar and an illiterate, the sick and the healthy, the intelligent and the idiot, the male and the female etc. What then happens to an oft repeated verse of Allah (23:62) "On no soul do We place a burden greater than it can bear: before Us is a record which clearly shows the truth: they will never be wronged." This verse clearly means that the dice is not loaded against either the men or the women.

    If  people  read and understand the Quran, they will dismiss the entire corpus of the ahadith of Bukhari, Muslim etc as Apocrypha. 

    Please meditate well and comment if you have anything worthwhile to say and be clear about what is it that you are trying to prove.


    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/19/2015 3:22:39 AM



  • I have found the Hadith verse below:
    (Book #040, Hadith #6793)
    MUHAMMAD REPORTED THAT SOME (persons) STATED with a sense of pride and some discussed WHETHER THERE WOULD BE MORE MEN IN PARADISE OR MORE WOMEN. It was upon this that Abu Huraira reported that Abu'l Qasim (the Holy Prophet) (may peace be upon him) said: The (members) of the first group to get into paradise would have their faces as bright as full moon during the night, and the next to this group would have their faces as bright as the shining stars in the sky, and EVERY PERSON WOULD HAVE TWO WIVES and the marrow of their shanks would glimmer beneath the flesh and THERE WOULD BE NONE WITHOUT A WIFE IN PARADISE.
    As the phrase, Muhammad reported that some (persons) stated…whether there would be more men in paradise or more women, is mentioned in the hadith verse above, it implies that the message above was not what Muhammad had seen in Paradise.  Or in other words, he did not see all the dead in the Paradise and come to the conclusion that there were more men in Paradise.  Instead, it was what he heard from some people around him that raised queries whether there would be more men or women in Paradise.
    Meditate subsequent phrase, every person would have two wives…and there would be none without a wife in paradise, as mentioned above.  The phrase, would have, is used to link up between the phrases, every person, and, two wives. The phrase, would have, should be interpreted as possibly be or might be.  As the phrase, would have, is used, it implies that it might not definitely be so in Paradise or else the phrase, should be replaced with, will have.  Or in other words, as the phrase, would have, is mentioned above, Hadith does not give a definite answer that every person will definitely have two wives in Paradise.  Besides, the phrase, would be, is also used to link the phrase, none without a wife in paradise.  As the phrase, would be, is used subsequently and this phrase does not give a sense that it will definitely be so, it implies that the Hadith does not give a definite answer that none of the male Muslims will be without wives.
    Now, meditate the phrase, again below:
    Every person WOULD HAVE two wives….and there WOULD BE none without a wife in paradise
    By zumamusa - 10/18/2015 11:57:05 PM



  • Dear Zumamusa,

    I do not see you disagreeing with anything that I have said.



    By Naseer Ahmed - 10/18/2015 11:37:43 PM



  • As what Muhammad saw was just a small portion of the dead instead of the entire dead in the hell that should consist of trillions of dead, the women that he saw were just specific women that were deficiency in intelligence and religion instead of women in general.  As they are not women in general trend, it implies that not all women in hell are deficiency in intelligence and religion.  

    When Muhammad mentioned that he saw these specific women that are deficiency in religion, it could be that these specific women were not Muslims.  When Muhammad mentioned that he saw these specific women to be deficient in intelligence, it could be that these specific women were uneducated and were not Muslims.

    By zumamusa - 10/18/2015 5:58:06 PM



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