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“Quran Supports Killing Apostates,” Claims Islam-basher Robert Spencer: Muslim Intellectuals Must Not Remain Silent

 

By Irfan Waheed, New Age Islam

February 7, 2013

The perennial Islam basher Robert Spencer has put one more intellectual challenge to the scholars of Islam who vociferously claim that the Quran does not prescribe death for apostasy. They say that nowhere in the Quran there is a verse that directly or indirectly supports the killing of apostates.  All the verses dealing with the Quran explicitly speak of a punishment for apostasy in the hereafter though God, the angels and the people on Earth (Muslims) hate such persons. The verses about apostasy are quoted below:

“And whosoever of you turns back from his religion and dies as a disbeliever, then his deeds will be lost in this life and in the Hereafter, and they will be the dwellers of the Fire. They will abide therein forever." (Al Baqura: 217)

“Verily, those who believe, then disbelieve, then believe (again), and (again) disbelieve, and go on increasing in disbelief; Allah will not forgive them, nor guide them on the (Right) Way.“ (Al Nisa: 137)”

“How shall God guide a people who have disbelieved after they believed, and bore witness that the Messenger is true, and the clear signs came to them? God guides not the people of the evildoers. Those -- their recompense is that there shall rest on them the curse of God and of the angels and of men, altogether, therein dwelling forever; the chastisement shall not be lightened for them; no respite shall be given them.” (Al Imran: 86-88)

It is clear from the verses quoted above that the Quran does not prescribe death sentence for apostasy in the world.

According to the Quran, apostasy is a major sin. God has warned the apostates of grave torments in the Hereafter. The Quran says that an apostate invites the wrath of God, and the curse of the angels and all the creatures on the earth. They are destined to live in the hell for ever because by denying the existence and oneness of God they join the ranks of the non-believers.

However, it is to be noted that despite declaring apostasy one of the gravest sins (kabair), the Quran does not prescribe death or any other physical punishment for the apostates whereas it prescribes physical punishments for other social crimes like theft, murder, violence and rioting and adultery and so on. For theft the punishment is hand amputation:

“Cut off (from the wrist joint) the (right) hand of the thief, male or female, as a recompense for that which they committed, a punishment by way of example from Allah. And Allah is All-Powerful, All-Wise. “(Al Maidah: 38)

For adultery, the punishment is hundred lashes:

“The woman and the man guilty of illegal sexual intercourse, flog each of them with a hundred stripes. Let not pity withhold you in their case, in a punishment prescribed by Allah, if you believe in Allah and the Last Day. And let a party of the believers witness their punishment. “(Al Noor: 2)

For rioting and unjustified violence the punishment is death or the noose or amputation of hand and leg or exile:

“The recompense of those who wage war against Allah and His Messenger and do mischief in the land is only that they shall be killed or crucified or their hands and their feet be cut off on the opposite sides, or be exiled from the land. That is their disgrace in this world, and a great torment is theirs in the Hereafter. “(Al Maidah: 33)

However, there are some Hadiths that show that apostates were killed during the Prophethood. There is a Hadith:

Muhammad (pbuh) said: "Whoever changed his Islamic religion, then kill him" (Bukhari 9.84.57).

 Islamic scholars argue that the killing of apostates during the life of the prophet (pbuh) and during the caliphate of Hadhrat Abu Bakr was due to the political situation of that time and not because of their turning their back on Islam as is generally publicised by the detractors of Islam today. However, in an article in his website JihadWatch, Robert Spencer has tried to prove that not only the Hadiths, but the Quran itself has verses that sponsor the killing of apostates and also the tradition of honour killing has its base in the Quran.

To prove that the Quran supports death for apostasy, Spencer quotes the following verse of the Quran:

“They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of Allah (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks;- (4:89)

According to Spencer, the verse explicitly calls for the slaying of the apostates wherever they are found and thus rejects the arguments of the defenders of Islam that the Quran does not support death sentence to the apostates as God Himself has taken up the responsibility of giving them a befitting punishment to them in Hereafter.

Another point which he has raised is of honour killing of sons and daughters by Muslim parents for turning apostates. Three years ago, Rifqa Bary, a seventeen-year-old girl converted from Islam to Christianity and fled from her home and father after he threatened to kill her. She had reportedly said to her saviour, a pastor:

“My parents are Muslim…I don’t know if you know about honor killing…They have to kill me…Because if they love Allah more than me, they have to do it. It’s in the Quran. And you can, like, give them knowledge about it [gestures to someone off camera, who says something unintelligible].”

During the same year, two sisters Amina and Sarah Sayid of Texas were killed by their father whom their brother provided the gun for carrying out the honour killing as girls had become westernized and been ‘bringing dishonour’ to the family. To prove his point that honour killing has precedence in the Quran, he cites the incidents of Hadhrat Khidhr where he kills a young boy whom Moses calls pious for being an infidel as he might  cause troubles and burden to their Muslim parents. The following verses deal with the incident:

“So they set out, until when they met a boy, al-Khidhr killed him. [Moses] said, "Have you killed a pure soul for other than [having killed] a soul? You have certainly done a deplorable thing." (Al Kahf: 74)

“And as for the boy, his parents were believers, and we feared that he would overburden them by transgression and disbelief.  So we intended that their Lord should substitute for them one better than him in purity and nearer to mercy. (Al Kahf: 80-81)”

Spencer suggests that the killing of the infidel boy by Hadhrat Khidhr to save his believing parents from troubles and dishonour sets the precedence for honour killing in Islam.

Therefore, by citing the verses and the incident involving Moses and Hadhrat Khidhr, Spencer argues that it is the very Quran that supports the slaying of apostates and sisters and daughters who bring dishonour to the family. I invite the scholars of Islam who still believe that the Quran does not support the killing of apostates to counter his argument.

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TOTAL COMMENTS:-   37


  • Dear Contrarairan,

    I am copy pasting my comment already posted under this thread that quotes a duly approved exegetic work, Chapter 9.8 refuting any punishment for apostasy in Islam:

      9.8. The Case of Apostasy
    There is a general belief that Islam prescribes capital punishment for apostasy. This is incorrect. The Qur’an does not recommend any temporal punishment for apostasy. It deals with the subject on several occasions, illustrated below, and makes it clear that apostates will be punished after their death (2:217, 16:106).  
    “…Their deeds will be of no avail in this life, or in the hereafter; and they will be the inmates of hellfire and they will remain there” (2:217).
    “…On them is the wrath from God and theirs will be a dreadful punishment” (16:106).
    [Also verses 3:90, 47:25-27.]
    The Qur’an offers further illustrations against any temporal punishment for apostasy: 
    It does not prescribe any punishment for a person “who believes, rejects faith and then believes (again), and again rejects faith, and goes on increasing in unbelief.” (4:137)
    It does not prescribe any punishment for the women who left their Muslim husbands during the Medinite period, and went over to the disbelievers renouncing their faith. (60:11).
    It assures Muslims that “if anyone abandons his religion, God will replace him with others whom He loves and who love Him.”(5:54)
    Thus there is no Qur’anic basis to legislate capital punishment, or, for that matter, any punishment for apostasy.
    In the historical perspective, apostates joined the enemy and conspired against the Muslims, thus committing high treason; so the punishment for apostasy was in true sense the punishment for treason rather than for abandoning faith."    
    Thank You. By muhammad yunus - 2/8/2013 7:01:15 AM


    By muhammad yunus - 7/23/2013 3:16:57 AM



  • A great many of Muslims and Muslim Scholars around the world say that apostates should be killed in Islam.

    Your interpretation of the Quran does not change that.

    By Contrararian - 7/23/2013 12:52:50 AM



  • @express,
    what I am asking?The primary question is that if Allah really given power to the apostates more than muslims eventhough still doing apostatsy but having peace treaty with muslims.Apostates are already muslims and came out from religion because of some reservation on religion. This is applicable if you treat both parties are same from my previous reply.
             Hence,Allah gave power only to polythesits who oppose muslims but have peace treaty with muslims because polythesits   not knowing true path but please Allah because of their good deeds.
          I didn't understand how could you convince with Mr.Naseer Ahamed explanations.
      
        

    By dharama_raj - 2/9/2013 8:59:28 AM



  • Dear Gholam Mohiudddin Sahab,
    Your remarks at times touch my heart. In your last commentary you state,  "I suppose apostates, homosexuals and blasphemers can be strong in taqwa." Why not?? But neither me nor you can judge as we do not know how we shall be judged on this account. We tend to take the Qur'anic condemnations of certain categories of people as immutable, without realizing that God claims to be a fount of forgiveness and taqwa and how He will judge each individual in the condemned category if they excel in good deeds and are foremost in taqwa. Rather that trying to better our records of deed and taqwa we gloat over the idea that we are better then others before God has judged us.   


    By muhammad yunus - 2/9/2013 8:55:17 AM



  • Oppression in Islam is a big sin.

    Volume 3, Book 43, Number 628 :Narrated by Ibn 'Abbas The Prophet sent Mu'adh to Yemenand said, "Be afraid, from the curse of the oppressed as there is no screen between his invocation and Allah."

    Volume 3, Book 43, Number 629 : Narrated by Abu Huraira

    Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever has oppressed another person concerning his reputation or anything else, he should beg him to forgive him before the Day of Resurrection when there will be no money (to compensate for wrong deeds), but if he has good deeds, those good deeds will be taken from him according to his oppression which he has done, and if he has no good deeds, the sins of the oppressed person will be loaded on him." 


    By GHULAM GHAUS غلام غوث - 2/9/2013 8:43:44 AM



  • It's clear that most Muslims have no clue what the Quran says and tries to convey. A badly written holy book that miserably failed in its purpose. Sad. 
    By JB - 2/9/2013 7:29:57 AM



  • Mr Dharma raj,
    Jb Naseer Ahmad's explanation was convincing and to the point. I liked it. Hadhrat Khidhr was not a prophet because we are not told that he had an ummah and preached some divine religion. But we are only told that he was a bandah of God, it means he was one of God's close sage or saint with divine knowledge. He appears to Moses and spends some time with him and disappears again. So what he did can not become precedence for Muslims. Muslim can only follow their prophet and the book that was revealed to him.

    By express - 2/9/2013 6:23:30 AM



  • @Naseer Ahamed,
    First you have to understand that I treated all verses as single block and gave reply as you  said. Even you treat all are single block,this is logical question whether really Allah gave power to traitors more than muslims if he please with them.
    In 88th verse,he said he was upset with apostates.Then,suddenly how he please with apostates.ok,suppose Allah said if apostates again had turned  back to truth path explicitly, then he would please with them.But,he talking only about restraining from fight.
    If not,we conclude the verses are not clear.

    By dharama_raj - 2/9/2013 2:27:19 AM



  • Dharma Raj,

     There is no need for argument. Do your research and reach your own conclusion. Use the link below for commentary by Ibn Kathir. The commentary also treats 4:88 to 4:91 as a single block of connected verses.

     http://www.quran4u.com/Tafsir%20Ibn%20Kathir/004%20Nisa.htm#فَمَا


    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/9/2013 1:32:48 AM



  • what does the al azhar say about killing for apostasy? could any one let the forum know?

    also it will be a nice to know the opinion of leading muftis such as the saudi arabian grand mufti and the deoband chief, the opinion of the various islamic parties in india as well as other countries (both muslim majority as well as non-muslim majority countries).

    however much you clench your translation muscles and flex your interpretation joints, this apostate killing goes on in many islamic nations. does it or does it not? i know for sure it happens in iran and saudi arabia. it happend to such a great islamic thinker as mahmoud taha.

    it is weird to see people claiming that koran does not allow killing of apostates while it just goes on in at least one country claiming to be islamic. it is plain scary to see people getting conflicting meaning out of the same verses. especially when the text is beheading someone. i mean if you are out to behead someone the least you can do is to come to a consensus. other wise we just going to be playing dice with human heads.

    in this brouhaha someone will pitch in with a couple of chin shots at the takiyya component of this grave dichotomy.

    by some accounts, koranic experts seem to be quite rare in saudi arabia, egypt, pakistan, indonesia and other silly places.

    maybe we could send them a couple of ours to tide over the shortage.

    By hats off! - 2/9/2013 1:27:04 AM



  • @Naseer ahamed,

    I understand what you come to say.Then Allah is so merciful even for traitors.
    we cannot argue with people those are too adamant.Leave it to the readers.

    By Dharama_raj - 2/9/2013 1:09:37 AM



  • Dharma Raj,

    Show the verses 4:88 to 4:91 to someone who is proficient in English and let him explain the meaning to you.

    By Naseer Ahmed - 2/9/2013 12:58:06 AM



  • @Naseer Ahamed

    Robert spancer is clear.But,you are confusing people.The four verses talking about two type of people.one is  hypocrites or rebels and another party who(polytheists) fights with muslims
    89th verse clearly said donot take any friend from hypocrites. If both are same party,then how can 90th verse seeks treaty with hypocrites(Apostates).
    If Apostates keep quiet ,then  there is no problem.But,they  are doing renegade(rebel what do either he vehmently criticises doctrine or try to propagate his views among mass),then seize them and slay them wherever you find them.

    Even 90th verse clearly said if " Allah pleased ,then even he could have given them power over you".Here "them" means not hypocrites but those who opposing them meaning not still  becoming muslims(polytheists).
    whether Allah ready to give power to traitors.Is it possible?
     91th verse said if polytheists not seek peace with muslims or not attacking muslims, then muslims might seize them(polytheists) and slay them wherever find them.

       Here,the word "renegade" is  crucial part to determine the status of apostates.Even you are agree with term renegade.Then , correct context is that those  who inside  in religion   heavily criticise religion and also propagate views among mass must be executed.


    By Dharama_raj - 2/9/2013 12:43:28 AM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz - 2/8/2013 11:06:04 PM
    You were just ashamed of lacking of Muslims in science and technology. The gist of Islam is this world is not worth a dead disintegrating donkey on heap of rubbish. Had it been worth than a wing of fly it would have been given to Momins. Momins should strive for Jannat and should fear the hell. Quran and Ahadith give vivid details of both eternal stations. All matters is hereafter for a Momin. We are here for just test so every enjoyment or sorrow is temporary.I am surprised you don't know it.
    You can't enjoy your dearest thing for long time in this world, but in Jannat there will be no boredom. How can it be if Allah(most generous) is the host and you are in eternal youth and you will get whatever you want at a wink of an eye. Sexual pleasure of no bound with many inmates. Perpetual erection. Delicious water, honey and musked seald wine. The height is you can't imagine what Allah has prepared for Momin. It is not like Hindus and Christians believe. They think there will be a spiritual bliss. But Islam provide real things.
    Who will give his life for spiritual bliss? Allah has bought lives of Momins in exchange of the Jannat.So they are ready to blow themselves with others to meet Allah and to reap the fruit of their sacrifices.

    So my dear Aiman hereafter is not like the few Muslim thinkers believe. It is like in the Quran and Ahadith. Why Allah will waste so many pages in the quran to give details of both places.
    So Fear and Greed are the real motivators in the Islam. It is said Iman is between Fear and hope.

    For me I don't know. No one has returned from there to tell what happens there.

    By rational - 2/9/2013 12:18:25 AM



  • Dear Aiman Reyaz - 2/8/2013 11:06:04 PM
    You were just ashamed of lacking of Muslims in science and technology. The gist of Islam is this world is not worth a dead disintegrating donkey on heap of rubbish. Had it been worth than a wing of fly it would have been given to Momins. Momins should strive for Jannat and should fear the hell. Quran and Ahadith give vivid details of both eternal stations. All matters is hereafter for a Momin. We are here for just test so every enjoyment or sorrow is temporary.I am surprised you don't know it.
    You can't enjoy your dearest thing for long time in this world, but in Jannat there will be no boredom. How can it be if Allah(most generous) is the host and you are in eternal youth and you will get whatever you want at a wink of an eye. Sexual pleasure of no bound with many inmates. Perpetual erection. Delicious water, honey and musked seald wine. The height is you can't imagine what Allah has prepared for Momin. It is not like Hindus and Christians believe. They think there will be a spiritual bliss. But Islam provide real things.
    Who will give his life for spiritual bliss? Allah has bought lives of Momins in exchange of the Jannat.So they are ready to blow themselves with others to meet Allah and to reap the fruit of their sacrifices.

    So my dear Aiman hereafter is not like the few Muslim thinkers believe. It is like in the Quran and Ahadith. Why Allah will waste so many pages in the quran to give details of both places.
    So Fear and Greed are the real motivators in the Islam. It is said Iman is between Fear and hope.

    For me I don't know. No one has returned from there to tell what happens there.

    By rational - 2/9/2013 12:14:54 AM



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