By Naseer Ahmed, New Age Islam
17 September 2019
The story of creation of Adam and Eve in the
Quran is covered in my article:
Was Allah Unjust in
Creating Adam and Favouring His Progeny Over All His Creation?
Allah says in the Qur’an verse 10:37, “This Qur´an is not such as can be
produced by other than Allah; on the contrary it is a confirmation of
(revelations) that went before it, and a fuller explanation of the Book -
wherein there is no doubt - from the Lord of the worlds.”
It is in the fuller explanation or in the
detailing that the story of creation in the Qur’an is different from the story
in the Bible, a fact that is not known to many Muslims who have never read the
Quran, but know the story from the Bible from their exposure to Western
education and from English films. Islam also spread among the Christians and
Jews and they have carried their traditions into Islam and many Muslims who
have read the Qur’an in Arabic also pay less attention to the detail, and take
the Biblical version as correct. For example, both in the Bible and the Qur’an,
Allah says that He created the Universe in 6 days. In the Qur’an a further
detail is added that the heavenly bodies including the earth were created in
two days, and then the earth was made habitable and provided with all that is
necessary to sustain life over the next 4 days. There are several verses that
say that a day that Allah speaks of is a thousand years by our reckoning in one
context and fifty thousand years in another context. In the context of
creation, we are not told what is meant by a day. Suffice it is for us to
understand however, that a day means a very long period of time by our
reckoning, and therefore 6 days refers to 6 phases. However, this is not
recognized by many commentators and exegetes, who take it as our day consisting
of 24 hours, just as the readers of the Bible do.
Now what would those brought up on stories from
the Bible make of the verse 76:1 which says: “Has there not been over Man a
long period of Time, when he was nothing - (not even) mentioned?” The
Arabic word “dahr” means a very long period of time greater than fifty thousand
years. Now if the Theory of Evolution is correct in saying that beings of the
genus Homo made their appearance 2.5 million years ago, but their existence was
undistinguished from every other organism for much of this period except for
the last 70,000 years or so, this could be exactly what the verse is saying.
The meaning of the verse becomes clear, when faced with facts from Science that
make it clear, but if one reads it with the belief that Adam and Eve were the
first human beings, it makes no sense at all, and indeed every commentator and
exegete has struggled to explain it.
Also consider the verse 2:30
Behold, thy Lord said to the angels: "I will create a vicegerent on
earth." They said: "Wilt Thou place therein one who will make
mischief therein and shed blood?- whilst we do celebrate Thy praises and
glorify Thy holy (name)?" He said: "I know what ye know not."
Commentators and exegetes have struggled to provide a satisfactory
explanation as to how the Angels knew that this new creation will make mischief
and shed blood. It ceases to be a mystery when we know and accept, that humans
pre-existed the creation of Adam, and were given to make mischief and shed
blood, and therefore the Angels were apprehensive of this new creation of the
same genus Homo. Now for what is different about this new creation and its
correspondence with what we learn from the history of mankind, read the article
The Concept of the Mitochondrial Eve from Biology
In 1987, a worldwide survey of human
mitochondrial DNA (mtDNA) made the astounding discovery that "all
mitochondrial DNAs stem from one woman" and that she probably lived around
200,000 years ago in Africa.
The DNA located in the cytoplasm, organelles
called mitochondria comes only from the mother and therefore our mitochondrial DNA is identical to that of our mother and if
the same is identical to what is found in every living human being, it
establishes that all the living human beings today, trace back their lineage to
a single woman whom we may call the “Mitochondrial Eve”.
The Age of the Mitochondrial Eve
The age of the Mitochondrial Eve is calculated based on the
assumption that the common ancestor of chimps and humans lived 5 million years
ago and that both nuclear DNA and mitochondrial DNA mutate at a constant
example, if in a certain mitochondrial gene, there are 70 differences in the
genetic code between a human and a chimpanzee, then the mutation rate is
assumed to be 70/5,000,000 mutations per
year and if in the human population today,
an average of three mutations is found, then the calculated age of the Mitochondrial
Eve is 3*5/70 million years = 214,000 years.
However, if we did not evolve from the ancestors of the chimps, then the
difference between the genetic code between the
human and chimpanzee has remained a constant and this does not give us
the mutation rate at all. The correct mutation rate must therefore be based on
a study of human beings over the ages.
In 1991, an interesting study was conducted by the Russians who
exhumed a mass grave site that was thought to have the last Russian Tsar who
was killed in the revolution. They compared the mitochondrial DNA of living
relatives with the DNA in the bones of the nine skeletons found in the grave
site. The DNA matched but a mutation had occurred which was unexpected, as a
mutation based on the calculated rate described above, is unexpected and highly
Another study covered 357 individuals from 134 different but
related families. In this study, they were "stunned" to find that
there were 10 different mutations. This gave a rate of change of mutation that
is roughly twenty-fold higher than based on the assumption that we evolved from
the common ancestor with the Chimpanzee over 5 million years.
In yet another study of the genetic history of an Australian
family, the D-loop region of the mitochondrial DNA was sequenced for 45 members
of a large maternally linked group. In this study, the rate of change was found
to be 1 mutation in every 25 to 40 generations.
Using this much faster mutation rate from the two studies as a
basis for a new mitochondrial clock speed, the “Mitochondrial Eve” can be
calculated to have lived a mere 10,000 to 50,000 years ago, rather than 200,000
years ago. This may also disprove the
theory of evolution from the apes.
The age of the "Mitochondrial Eve" and the
"Y-chromosomal Adam" (The most
recent male ancestor from whom all living beings today have descended) is
subject to revisions based on further studies, and is likely to be much less
than the estimate of 200,000 years, but what is clearly established is that
every human being living today, traces his lineage to a single "Mitochondrial
Eve" and the "Y-chromosomal Adam".
How Does The “Mitochondrial Eve” Move
Forward In Time?
Let us call the
woman who occupies the position of the present day “Mitochondrial Eve" Martha, and the
"Y-chromosomal Adam”, Jonas. Let us also assume that Martha had only one
daughter who in turn had only one daughter and who in turn had two daughters
named Sara and Para. Then all of the 7 billion people today, trace their
ancestry to one of these two great, great, granddaughters of Martha. Now if Sara
is to become the “Mitochondrial Eve", then the lineage Para must become
extinct. What chance that a lineage that is nearly as old as the age of the
"Mitochondrial Eve" estimated to be between 50 thousand to 200,00
years old becomes extinct? Although theoretically, this is possible, it is
extremely improbable. Lineages that run deep also spread wide and have the
least probability of going extinct. There is therefore little chance based on
probability that the position of the "Mitochondrial Eve" and
"Y-chromosomal Adam" will move forward unless……. this is discussed
Why Is It More Likely That The
Mitochondrial Eve And The Y-Chromosome Adam Were A New Species Superior To The
Studies of the nuclear DNA indicate
that the size of the ancient human population never dropped below tens of
thousands. Martha and Jonas therefore had at least 10,000 brothers
and 10,000 sisters. Then what explains that the lineage represented by the
approximately 10,000 or more sisters/female cousins of Martha, have gone
extinct but the lineage of Martha has grown to 7 billion? The only explanation
is that Martha enjoyed some great genetic superiority not shared by her
remaining sisters/cousins, or to speak plainly, the fact that Martha, the
"Mitochondrial Eve" was of a different species. The progeny of this
superior species then wiped out every other inferior species making them
extinct over a period. This is true even if inter breeding produced fertile
children. In such a case, it means that only children from the lineage of both
Martha and Jonas had superior survival skills and no other lineages including
the mixed ones. Biology favours interbreeding over inbreeding and if all the
human beings living today are a result of inbreeding within a single lineage,
it is further proof of this lineage being a different species from every other
Why The Mitochondrial Eve And The
Y-Chromosome Adam Can Move Forward In Time Only With The Creation Of A New
Species Starting With A Single Pair And Propagating Downward And Not Through
Gradual And Widespread Evolution.
Let us imagine that today, one couple
produce a male and a female that is genetically superior to all other humans
and a new species. This new species cannot produce offspring with other humans
except between themselves although they are alike physically and in many other
ways. The siblings who we call Beth and John mate and multiply and their
progeny co-exist with other humans for say 30,000 years, after which their
population grows large enough to control the entire population of humans. At
this point, they carry out a systematic genocide over the next 10,000 years to
completely wipe out every lineage except their own. Beth and John now become
the new "Mitochondrial Eve" and "Y-chromosomal Adam"
of the entire population displacing the earlier one over a short period of
10,000 years of genocide.
However, if we assume a slow, uniform
and spread out process of evolution, then every lineage of Martha and Jonas
evolve simultaneously, and therefore Martha and Jonas remain the "Mitochondrial
Eve" and "Y-chromosomal Adam" of every human being
even after this new phase of evolution that makes every human being much
superior to any man that exists today.
Weakness in the Theory of Evolution
The very fact that the
"Mitochondrial Eve" and the "Y-chromosomal Adam" do not go
as far back as the common ancestors we share with the chimpanzees 5 million
years ago or even to the first appearance of the species of the genus Homo 2.5
million years ago or even to the first appearance of Homo Sapiens 300,000 years
ago, is therefore proof of they being a new species and the story of slow,
gradual, spread out evolution over thousands of years, simply hogwash. This
does not preclude the possibility that the “Mitochondrial Eve" and the "Y-chromosomal
Adam" themselves trace back their ancestry to the very first human being
2.5 million years ago, or to a common ancestor with Chimpanzees 5 million years
ago. What it does prove however, is that only one lineage has survived which
strongly suggests that evolution consisted of only one evolved pair propagating
its own kind downwards and other members of the previous species have gone
extinct. There is no reason why if the apes still exist, other tens of
thousands of lineages should not have survived. They would have survived if our
species had not destroyed all other species because they were inferior to us
but competed with us for common resources such as land and food. Genetic memory
of such genocide is still carried by us which is why genocides are still common
and why racism and casteism still exists.
Now if we did evolve from the apes,
then why did the evolved humans and their progeny not wipe out the apes to
extinction as the progeny of the "Mitochondrial Eve" and the
"Y-chromosomal Adam" have done to every other lineage of the more
than ten thousand sisters of the "Mitochondrial Eve"? Our genetic memory also does not make us
either more hostile or more compassionate towards the apes in comparison with
other animals which belie the theory of evolution from the ape. The very clear
and categorical verses of the Quran which say that some rebellious people were
transformed into apes and swine make more sense. The fact that apes and swine
genetically resemble us the most may therefore not be either mere coincidence
or because we evolved from either of these animals.
Mutations within a species go on
continuously without producing a new species. A new species is a quantum leap
in genetic mutation which starts with just one couple. It does not matter
whether you say this is as a result of the evolutionary process or creation by
God. The very idea of just one pair starting a new species is anathema to the
theory of evolution as it fails to explain why the remaining stock from which
this pair evolved failed to evolve likewise, or why there are apes even today
while some evolved into human beings, or why there are no human beings from the
lineages of the more than ten thousand sisters of the “Mitochondrial Eve” if
they were of the same species as the “Mitochondrial Eve”?
Does Creation Take Place Only In Heaven?
Creation of Allah can and does take place on this earth and not
necessarily in Heaven. The Qur’an likens the birth of Jesus Christ with the
creation of Adam and it took place on this earth and he was born to an earthly
woman but without an earthly father. Jesus Christ was therefore not from the
lineage of the Y-Chromosome Adam. If he had children and his lineage survived,
then we would have had two populations – one tracing their ancestry to the
Y-Chromosome Adam who lived 50,000 to 200,000 years ago, and another to Jesus
Christ 2000 years ago. Was Jesus another species? Possibly, because he had
powers that no man or prophet possessed before or after him. If Jesus was a
single person of a distinct species but born to a daughter of Adam and Eve, it
means an evolved species can come from an existing one and therefore, the
theory of evolution does not contradict the Quran.
A comparison between different species is a measure of how similar
the species are in their physiology and their molecular biology but not necessarily
a proof of evolution from these species while the same cannot be ruled out
either, except through a more detailed analysis as carried out in the article.
The story of creation in the Qur’an is consistent with the
confirmed findings of science and history. There is neither a need to reject
the story from the Qur’an or reject the Theory of Evolution. The stories
converge as they should, if both are true.
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In 76-2 Quran says - Verily,
it is We who have created man out of a drop of sperm intermingled, so that We
might try him [in his later life]: and therefore We made him a being endowed
with hearing and sight.
In 7-12 Quran says - He
said, “What prevented you from bowing down when I have commanded you?” He said,
“I am better than he; You created me from fire, and You created him from mud.”
So was Adam made from sperm or mud?
There is nothing new in GM sb’s comment. He is simply repeating
himself as he always does.
sb says :Your quotation from the Bible about the birth of Jesus has nothing to
do with what we are discussing. You can't win an argument by just
throwing dust in people's eyes.
I even quote the Bible? The ignoramus that GM sb is, he does not even know that
I have quoted from the Quran and not the Bible. The Quote from the Quran
clearly compares Jesus miraculous birth with the birth of Adam. If Jesus birth
is not an allegory but fact, then so is Adam’s creation as described in the
Quran. This is to counter GM sb’s argument that Adam’s creation as described in
the Quran is not a fact but an allegory.
GM sb says :You said, "as per 76:1 human
beings have existed for a very long period."
You are lying. The verse says nothing about the
length of time human beings have existed. Please don't make things up.
GM sb is going round in circles repeating what has
already been answered and explained. The verse uses the word “dahr” which means
a very long period of time, the beginning and end of which is unknown to man
and also unknowable with any degree of precision.
GM sb says: You say, "History begins with the
Cognitive Revolution is what Science tells us."
No, science does not say that. The span of history
is only 5,000 years. The cognitive revolution occurred between 70,000 and
40,000 years ago.
Until the Cognitive Revolution, the doings of all human
species belonged to the realm of biology, or, if you so prefer, prehistory. From
the Cognitive Revolution onwards, historical narratives replace biological
theories as our primary means of explaining the development of Homo sapiens.
GM sb :You say, "the Quran tells us that
history beings with the creation of Adam."
False! The Quran does not say anything about the
beginning of history.
The Quran says in verse 76:1 that man’s existence was not even worth a mention
for a very long time. This has to be before Adam because the creation of Adam
is mentioned and also the stories of his progeny. There are no stories of man
before Adam in the Quran.
GM sb says:You said, "They (the angels) knew
because humans already existed and were given to mischief and shed blood."
The Quran does not say that. You read too much in
what the angels said. When God informed the angels that
he was going to put a vice-regent on Earth, they questioned whether the human
would cause bloodshed and damage, but God told them that He knew what they know
not. Please do not lie about what the Quran says.
You are lying about the Quran. The Angels did not question God whether
the human would cause bloodshed and spread mischief. They questioned God as to
why he was about to create another creation that would shed blood and make mischief.
How did they know that what God was about to create would also shed blood and
make mischief? The obvious answer is from the behaviour of every species of humans
that pre-existed the creation of Adam.
my article: Was Allah Unjust in Creating
Adam and Favouring His Progeny Over All His Creation?
created Jesus Christ without a father although there was no such necessity.
This was only as an example for man to comprehend and accept the truth of
(3:47) She (Mary) said: "O my
Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said:
"Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He
but saith to it, ´Be,´ and it is!
(3:59) The similitude of
Jesus before Allah is as that of Adam; He created him from dust, then said to
him: "Be". And he was.
4:171 “Messiah Jesus the son
of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word (Kalimatuhu),
which He bestowed on Mary, and a Rūḥun proceeding from Him.
In the birth of Christ is proof of
Adam’s creation. Jesus Christ was also unique in that he could speak from birth
and was a prophet from birth unlike any other prophet. These unique abilities
are the effect of Jesus being born like Adam from the Ruh of Allah. Not
surprisingly, Jesus did not marry and have children or pass on his genes as it
was not in Allah’s plans to have any other human like Jesus. As further proof
of Allah’s powers of creation apart from evolution, he made Jesus demonstrate
(3:49) "And (appoint him) a
messenger to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "´I have come to
you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it
were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by
Allah´s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the
dead, by Allah´s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in
your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;
It is also
not surprising, that only Jesus, whose birth was doubly unique by being the son
of a human and also by the Ruh of Allah, who alone had such powers among the
I am glad that GM sb has finally understood and accepted
that verses 2:230-34 give no clue as to how the Angels knew that the new man
that Allah was about to create would shed blood and spread mischief. They knew
because humans already existed and were given to mischief and shed blood and therefore,
they wondered what Allah meant by creating another of the same genus Homo and
making him His viceregent. How else would they have known?
All the workers in the field of Mitochondrial Eve and Adam are
agreed that their work has no connection with and does not lend support to the
theory of creationism found in the Bible according to which Adam was the first
human being. Mitochondrial Eve and Y chromosome Adam were not the first human
beings. The Quranic story while affirming the Biblical story adds details and
as per 76:1 human beings have existed for a very long period the beginning of
which and end of which are not known to man and will forever remain a matter of
conjecture, speculation and estimation during which their existence was unlike
that of any other organism and therefore not worthy of mention. That is what is
meant by “dahr”. History begins with the “Cognitive Revolution” is what Science
tells us and the Quran tells us that history beings with the creation of Adam.
Now, if you don't have anything new to say, stop wasting everyone's time. Also, don't waste everyone's time by quoting what you do not even agree with simply because you have nothing else to counter what I have said but feel impelled to keep arguing nevertheless.
Now, if you don't have anything new to say, stop wasting everyone's time. Also, don't waste everyone's time by quoting what you do not even agree with simply because you have nothing else to counter what I have said but feel impelled to keep arguing nevertheless.
GM sb, why
do you say the story of creation of Adam in the Quran is allegorical? What
about the birth of Christ then which is compared with the creation of Adam? Is
that also allegorical? If the story of Jesus birth is allegorical, what
is the fact then and who is his father?
gives the explanation of some exegete who believes Adam was the first man. What
else do you expect such a person to say? Note that verse 76:1 speaks about
an existence not worth mentioning and not about non-existence. This exegete
speaks about non-existence because he does not believe that humans existed
before Adam. The second verse is related to the first verse. Not only has a
long period passed over Insaan/man during which his existence was not worthy of
mention but even today, when man has conquered even outer space, he has a
humble beginning in the sperm.
As I have
said repeatedly, the Angels knew that the new creation would shed blood and
make mischief from the behaviour of humans before the creation of Adam. There
is no explanation to be found in verses 230-234 for this.
simple fact that every living human being today has the same Mitochondrial
mother and Y-chromosome father who go back in time much shorter than when
Sapiens first appeared, is proof that only one man and one woman either evolved
or were created with the genetic mutation that caused the “Cognitive Revolution”.
While the Mitochondrial mother and Y-chromosome father had tens of
thousands of siblings, their lineages did not survive because they failed to “evolve”,
and being weaker, were wiped out. GM sb’s theory of continuous evolution spread
over 40,000 years would result in everyone evolving and not just one pair and
if so, we would have had tens of thousands of Mitochondrial mothers and
Y-chromosome fathers and not just one.
one pair to start with, it takes thousands of years for this new species to
become numerically significant and make a difference. Did GM sb expect the children of Adam to travel
to the Moon and other heavenly bodies in space crafts that they built?
GM sb says: “You think 76:1 is about "pre-Adam humans", but 76:1 does not say so. Your taking such a meaning when there is no hint in the Quran to support such an assertion is fool-hardy and irresponsible.”
The very long period of time, the precise beginning and end of which is unknown to man and will remain unknown except for conjectures and estimates that vary widely, when man’s existence was not even worthy of mention, certainly does not relate to Adam and his progeny who are mentioned in the Quran. Why would Allah mention Adam and his progeny in the Quran and at the same time say that their existence is not worthy of mention? It is certainly about the past and before Adam. Not to take the very obvious meaning is fool-hardy and irresponsible and precisely describes GM sb’s own behaviour.
GM sb says: You say, "The Cognitive Revolution kick-started history about 70,000 years ago" is what Harahari says but does not place this occurrence precisely and says it happened between 70,000 and 30,000 years ago."
That is false. Harari never suggests that there was one precise point that can be called the beginning of the Cognitive Revolution. He is talking about a process that took 40,000 years to unfold.
What GM sb says is false. What Harari cannot place precisely is when. The cognitive revolution took place anywhere between 70 to 30 thousand years ago is what he says. He is very clear about what constitutes the Cognitive Revolution. It was the vastly different nature of our language and means of communication. This he says was caused by a genetic mutation. Languages are not static and keep developing. The vocabulary keeps growing with every new subject and discovery. Old languages die and new ones take their place. Every human child however is born with the capacity to learn any of the world’s languages and this has remained a constant. The ability of every other species to communicate has also remained a constant. This is genetically determined and it is this ability caused by the required genetic mutation that caused the cognitive revolution. So the situation is binary. You didn’t have this ability prior to the Cognitive Revolution and you were like any other animal and you have it after the Cognitive Revolution. There was therefore a precise moment.GM sb says :”You say, "Over this period, there were 124000 prophets sent to all nations."
This again is false. The Quran does not say when these 124000 prophets were sent. Your saying that they were sent during the 40,000 years when the Cognitive Revolution took place is your own invention. You mix up Quranic information with Harari's book! This is either naivete or an attempt to deceive.”
Surely, no prophets were sent before Adam and certainly not to the people over the very long period of time, when their existence was not even worthy of any mention. It is GM sb who is either naïve or trying to deceive with his foolish arguments.
GM sb says “You lie when you say I dismiss the story of creation in the Quran, but then you do lie habitually. All I am doing is to keep the Quranic story and the scientific account separate. Your attempt to mix them up is thoughtless and condemnable.”
Why do you keep them separate unless you consider one or both to be untrue? And why when they converge and perfectly complement each other?
GM sb also has no answer to the question I asked (How did the Angels know that Adam and his progeny will cause mischief and bloodshed?) although he pretends that verses 2:230 to 234 provide the answer when they don’t.
The correct answer is that they knew from the behaviour of the human beings that preceded Adam.
GM sb will not give up and continue to keep going around the same points. I have answered all his questions and comments comprehensively. This is my last comment on the subject.
would verse 76:1 talk of Adam and Eve when it is not about them? It talks about
Insaan or about human beings and says that over the Insaan, a very long period has
passed, when his existence was not worthy of any mention. This period is before
history, and with Adam begins not only history, but also mention of human
beings in the Scriptures. His existence
is now worth being mentioned and recorded as history as well as worth sending
Messengers to with guidance from Allah.
period after the Cognitive Revolution is when history begins because before
this, there is nothing worth mentioning. “...the Cognitive Revolution kick-started
history about 70,000 years ago” is what Harahari says but does not place this
occurrence precisely and says it happened between 70,000 and 30,000 years ago. The effects of the Cognitive Revolution have
of course unfolded over a long period . Over this period, there were 124000
prophets sent to all nations to progressively raise humanity to a level when the
last Testament, the Quran could be revealed. This was only 1400 years ago. The
Agricultural revolution took place only 12,000 years ago and the Scientific
Revolution got under way only 500 years ago.
were people in the Prophet’s times and in the times of even Noah, who dismissed
the stories told by the Prophets based on the revelations as “the fables of the
ancients”. So there is nothing new about GM sb dismissing the story of creation
in the Quran in a similar manner. For the believers however, the story is true,
and when our history is reconstructed from the remains of the past, the story will prove
to be true as it has. So, why wouldn’t a believer reconcile what the Quran says
sb can never prove that I have ever deviated from the literal meaning of any
verse because I haven’t. I have of course pointed out how the scholars have
distorted the meanings of words used in the Quran. He is happy with the bigot’s
version of the Quran because it makes it simpler for him to reject the Quran.
Gm sb says: “I asked what point were you
trying to make by unnecessarily pitting the Quran against science? As I said,
"The Quran is for our moral guidance. It is
not a science text."
The Quran is what it
is. GM sb cannot accept the Quran for what it is. He is forever trying to tell
us to ignore the Quran for one reason or another.
If the Quran talks
about creation, procreation, instinct, consciousness, bestowing Adam and his
progeny with Cognitive powers not given to any creation and about pre-historic
man and his insignificance, these are subjects to be taken seriously, reflected
upon and discussed. Why is GM sb so
uncomfortable with the subject?
These subjects are
misunderstood because the scholars of the past couldn’t make sense of the
verses that went against their beliefs uninformed by Science and have become a
source of disaffection with the religion among those brought up with western
education. It is such people who need to be made to understand how infallible the
Quran is on every subject that it touches. I can understand GM sb’s discomfort
because he is an atheist who thinks he has good reason to be one but my articles
expose the hollowness of his beliefs.
It is the duty of
every Muslim whom Allah has blessed with knowledge to complete the hujjat or
present the truth of Allah’s word to all mankind so that they are left with no
excuse about not accepting the Quran as Allah’s infallible word. The purpose of
revelations and sending of the prophets was to communicate the Message in a
coherent fashion and in a manner as completely understood as possible. The commentaries
and exegesis of the past scholars fall short of today’s requirements as these
are based on a poor knowledge of our world and worse, based on false beliefs
about the world as that was the received “wisdom” of their times.
Those who have been
readers of my articles and especially those who have interacted with me on
these articles have no excuse to reject the infallible truth of Allah’s word in
the Quran. My articles have served a useful purpose even if some have proved to
be among “those who will not believe” since it is Allah’s purpose to segregate
the sincere believers from “those who will not believe” and this purpose has
GM sb says: “You claim to understand the verses
better than many exegetes. That is your belief. In fact you take the meaning
from the verses that you want to take. That is what makes you a charlatan.”
I never deviate from the literal meaning of the
verses for the simple reason that the literal meaning makes eminent sense. To
those without correct knowledge of the world, many of the Quran’s verses that
went against the received wisdom of their times, didn’t make sense. They
therefore resorted to “interpretations”. I never interpret but stick closely to
the literal meaning. It is GM sb who is the charlatan who will look for
whatever translation or commentary suits his attack on the Quran.
GM sb says “When you ask, "how the Angels knew that this new
creation will make mischief and shed blood," are you suggesting that the
Angels knew more than God knew? “
No, what I have said
very clearly and explicitly is that they knew from the behaviour of human
beings who were already in existence.
GM sb asks “And are you
suggesting that when God asked Angels to prostrate themselves before His new
creation, their feelings were not hurt?”
Angels do not have
feelings. They are not human. Neither do they have any choice but to obey whatever
Allah commands them to. Your level of ignorance is astounding. It shows that
you have never read the complete Quran even once.
GM sb says “You asked
me, "how did they know that
Allah would teach Adam the names/nature of all things and demonstrate his
superiority before asking them to prostrate before him even before he had
created Adam?" That is a very stupid question. Just read 2:30 to 2:34 and
everything will be clear to you.”
If it is clear to GM
sb, why cannot he explain it. When cornered he resorts to calling the question
he cannot answer “stupid”. Isn’t he the lying and deceitful charlatan?
GM sb says: “You said,
"I have stuck to the literal meaning of the verse (76:1) which is
unsurprisingly in conformity with what Science tell us."
That is a lie. In no way does 76:1 yield the
meaning that you falsely derive. I know that some exegetes, especially Ahmadi
scholars, derive the same meaning as you do, but the vast majority of scholars
do not derive that meaning, and it is sheer chicanery to derive such a meaning.
Please stop playing with the Quran.”
It is GM sb who is the
liar. Here are more than 20 translations that mean the same.
Daryabadi Surely there hath come upon man a long period of time when
he was not a thing worth mentioning.
there not over man a long period of time when he was a thing unremembered
(nothing, not worth mention).
surely came over man a period of time when he was a thing not worth mentioning.
Khan Was there not a period of time when man was nothing worth
Abdul Hye Has
there not come over human, a period of time when it was not a thing worth
Abdel Haleem Was
there not a period of time when man was nothing to speak of ?
Ali Ünal Did
there pass (– and surely there did pass –) over human a stretch of time when he
was a thing not mentioned and remembered (as human)?
there been for man a period of time when he was not anything worthy of mention?
Safi Kaskas Has
there come upon the human being a span of time when he was nothing to be
(Orig. 1938) Has there not been over Man a long period of Time, when he
was nothing - (not even) mentioned?
Mahmoud Ghali Has there come upon man a while of
(an) era when he was not a thing to be remembered?
Taqi Usmani There has come upon man a period of time in which he was
nothing worth mentioning.
Ahmed Has there not passed over man an era when he was not even
there a period of time when man was not even worthy of a mention?
Bakhtiari Nejad Did not a period of time come upon
the human being that he was nothing to be mentioned?
Sher Ali There
has, certainly, come upon man a period of time when he was not a thing worth
Khalifa Is it not a fact that there was a time when the human
being was nothing to be mentioned?
Khan (Barelvi) Undoubtedly, there has come upon man a time when there was
no mentioning of his name anywhere.
Rahman Omar There did pass over a human being a
while of a long space of time when he was not a thing worth mentioning.
Tahir-ul-Qadri Surely, there has passed over man a
period of time when he was not a thing worth mentioning.
and/or Orientalist works
Arberry Has there come on man a while of time when he was a thing
George Sale Did
there not pass over man a long space of time; during which he was a thing not
worthy of remembrance?
GM sb says: “The
cognitive revolution took 40000 years to take place and cannot be made to
coincide with one event e.g. the creation of Adam. Your attempt to reconcile
the Quran with Science is either highly deceitful or unbelievably naive. What
is more important, it is so unnecessary.”
You can even say that
it took 14 billion years for the Cognitive revolution to take place and you
wouldn’t be wrong. What is your point? I
have consistently nailed the lies and deceit in your arguments and so you are
the proven liar and deceiver. An atheist
who is a consistent rejecter of many of the verses of the Quran is hardly in a
position to tell what is unnecessary.